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Unreleased HIStory cuts?

ChanceToDance said:
To sum up this post:

Much Too Soon (Bruce Swedien 1994 mix) -
The Verdict - The song was made for Dangerous but was brought back for HIStory.
Faces - The song was going to feature Nelson Mandela but after Matt Forger was unable to travel to South Africa the song was shelved.
Revenge - Instrumental groove, no vocals.
Family Thing - Song made for Family Addams, was shelved due to the 1993 allegations.
Family Thing (Bryan Loren mix) - The most complete version of the song, it features Bryan Loren singing on the verses. There are no more MJ vocals.
Innocent Man - Song written for HIStory, only the chorus was recorded which are sung in a very softly way.
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The Best Thing - Instrumental groove, no vocals.
Bombay Nights - Instrumental groove, no vocals.
Evil Eye - Instrumental groove, no vocals.
Ask Rene 3 - Instrumental groove, no vocals.
Ask DD - Instrumental groove, no vocals.
Christmas Song - Song made for Home Alone 2, no MJ vocals.
Changes - Song first made for Bad but reworked for HIStory. The song is a piano driven, gospel demo with a mumbled scratch vocal and with a choir. The only sensical lyrics are “can’t cope with changes. What are you trying to do to me?” The rest of the song is mumbled.
In The Back - Already explained.
Willing And Waiting - Writer's demo made by Babyface and Jon B for MJ. The song was turned down because MJ felt it was too soft for the HIStory album.
Chicago 1945 - The song was copyright re-registered at the U.S Copyright Office in 1995 which probably means that the song was reworked at that time.
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I feel like Chicago 1945 could have easily been in the same situation as Come Together, where it was simply pulled out of the vault for consideration for HIStory. Even though it was registered, there’s still a chance the 95 version is very similar or maybe even the exact same as the Victory era version.
 
Bombay Nights can be confirmed, as it was a groove written for Michael. DOTC is just part of the Ghosts score, there's no evidence that Michael collabed with Biggie a second time nor that he sung another Beatles cover (well, not a Beatles cover, but it was sung by a Beatle), and AlwaysThere already cast doubt on the existence of Basszoulie (Delilah was also mentioned on the LMW page the last time I saw it; yet another song mentioned by that "assistant engineer" Ryan Arnold).

Needless to say, I'm about ready to join the Lost Media Wiki and set the record straight once and for all.
 
Hollywood_Tonight said:
La Bassouille also is the name of a farm in France. Interesting.
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Hmm, interesting.

Maybe Michael went to this farm called La Bassouille and that was the inspiration behind the song “Bassouille”, if the song does indeed exist. Just like how “Days In Gloucestershire” was inspired by Michael’s visit to Gloucestershire as a teenager.
 
I've also seen the Wikipedia version of unreleased songs webpage, and it does say similar things. Note that both sites don't have great sources, making them unreliable. It can be a possibility that there is someone anonymous that was close to MJ at some point having a unreleased track that no one else knows tho. I'm expecting more tracks to be known later on, within various eras. Even if most of the things in LostMediaWiki and Wikipedia is false, there should be some songs that almost no one knows or have found. The 'vault' shouldn't be that small....
 
SeriousFX said:
Bombay Nights can be confirmed, as it was a groove written for Michael. DOTC is just part of the Ghosts score, there's no evidence that Michael collabed with Biggie a second time nor that he sung another Beatles cover (well, not a Beatles cover, but it was sung by a Beatle), and AlwaysThere already cast doubt on the existence of Basszoulie (Delilah was also mentioned on the LMW page the last time I saw it; yet another song mentioned by that "assistant engineer" Ryan Arnold).

Needless to say, I'm about ready to join the Lost Media Wiki and set the record straight once and for all.
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Interesting. I get that it's not complete, but what specifically does a groove mean?
Some songs could exist. I feel like if 'Not Guilty' were to exist, it's not a song at all, just a poem about the charges. I'm hoping someone somewhere out in the world has a more complete version of 'People Have To Make Some Sort Of Joke' and 'Neverland Landing'. 'Willing and Waiting' should be, like, 50% complete or something. It has partial lyrics. Anyways, I'm not losing hope in more unreleased HIStory outtakes.
 
Nite Line said:
Hmm, interesting.

Maybe Michael went to this farm called La Bassouille and that was the inspiration behind the song “Bassouille”, if the song does indeed exist. Just like how “Days In Gloucestershire” was inspired by Michael’s visit to Gloucestershire as a teenager.
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I didn't know about this! Just looked it up online, doesn't say much, just that J5 went there. But why? I can't believe J5 played a show there. Gloucester (the city) isn't exactly a hot spot for live pop shows and the county is very rural. So I'm struggling to understand why they would have gone there.

I'm not confused by the song. That's just a remembrance of happier times, as far as I can tell. It's just the fact of them going to Gloucestershire at all. Just seems so random, lol.
 
zinniabooklover said:
I didn't know about this! Just looked it up online, doesn't say much, just that J5 went there. But why? I can't believe J5 played a show there. Gloucester (the city) isn't exactly a hot spot for live pop shows and the county is very rural. So I'm struggling to understand why they would have gone there.

I'm not confused by the song. That's just a remembrance of happier times, as far as I can tell. It's just the fact of them going to Gloucestershire at all. Just seems so random, lol.
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I know. I was surprised when I heard the song. Gloucestershire isn’t London or Manchester, so I was surprised that Michael even heard of the place, let along actually performed there.

But the song is really gorgeous, despite it being unfinished. I wish Michael had an opportunity to finish it.
 
Nite Line said:
I know. I was surprised when I heard the song. Gloucestershire isn’t London or Manchester, so I was surprised that Michael even heard of the place, let along actually performed there.
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Oh, so J5 did play a gig there? Fair enough. Obviously, Gloucester has theatres and must get live bands going there. Just isn't on the regular 'pop trail' so I was a bit surprised. But this is great. If the county and/or the city made such an impression on Michael, gotta be happy about that, lol.

Nite Line said:
But the song is really gorgeous, despite it being unfinished. I wish Michael had an opportunity to finish it.
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I love the song. Some of the unfinished songs, I'm OK with it. But this is one that, not sure why, it just feels really poignant that it is incomplete.
 
SmoothMel7 said:
It would be nice to contact Ryan Arnold again. I did not succeed for my part. If he spoke once, he can speak again.

A cover of the song "Delilah" would be really nice.
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He said he was recovering from a stroke if you go look at his reddit history. It's not unbelievable he was saying the truth, he didn't exaggerate or speak on things he knew nothing about.
 
Mister_Jay_Tee said:
He said he was recovering from a stroke if you go look at his reddit history. It's not unbelievable he was saying the truth, he didn't exaggerate or speak on things he knew nothing about.
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I just see no evidence that the Ryan Arnold user is who he claims to be. I could come on here and claim to be one of the Dangerous engineers.
 
AlwaysThere said:
I just see no evidence that the Ryan Arnold user is who he claims to be. I could come on here and claim to be one of the Dangerous engineers.
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Yeah but it makes very little sense to go to Reddit of all places and talk about Michael Jackson's most obscure album. Like what do you gain from that. And the things he focuses on line up well. He's certainly a fan if nothing else. But more like an insider. He shared a funny story to share about Michael. It sounds like one of his pranks.

Anyway, looking at it now, he does mention wanting to make a YouTube about it. I would hope this info gets validated for true or false one of these days, maybe Damien Shields would know the true truth.
 
zinniabooklover said:
I didn't know about this! Just looked it up online, doesn't say much, just that J5 went there. But why? I can't believe J5 played a show there. Gloucester (the city) isn't exactly a hot spot for live pop shows and the county is very rural. So I'm struggling to understand why they would have gone there.

I'm not confused by the song. That's just a remembrance of happier times, as far as I can tell. It's just the fact of them going to Gloucestershire at all. Just seems so random, lol.
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Damien Shields mentions it was while they were teenagers. Maybe a bit older than just starting our J5 days.
 
Mister_Jay_Tee said:
And here is his credits on All music:

www.allmusic.com

Ryan Arnold Songs, Albums, Reviews, Bio & More... | AllMusic

Explore Ryan Arnold's discography including top tracks, albums, and reviews. Learn all about Ryan Arnold on AllMusic.
www.allmusic.com www.allmusic.com

Can someone check the HIStory Booklet Liner to confirm?
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here's the booklet liner scans:

Release “HIStory: Past, Present and Future, Book I” by Michael Jackson - Cover art - MusicBrainz

original lyric, Format: 2×CD, Year: 1995, Labels: MJJ Productions (01-474709-10), Epic (EPC 474709 2), Barcode: 5099747470929, Length: 2:28:46
musicbrainz.org musicbrainz.org

I don't see a Ryan Arnold unless I'm blind. :LOL:
 
Mister_Jay_Tee said:
And here is his credits on All music:

www.allmusic.com

Ryan Arnold Songs, Albums, Reviews, Bio & More... | AllMusic

Explore Ryan Arnold's discography including top tracks, albums, and reviews. Learn all about Ryan Arnold on AllMusic.
www.allmusic.com www.allmusic.com

Can someone check the HIStory Booklet Liner to confirm?
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I fully believe that Ryan Arnold was involved in HIStory as an engineer. I just don’t believe that the Reddit user in question is him.
Mister_Jay_Tee said:
Yeah but it makes very little sense to go to Reddit of all places and talk about Michael Jackson's most obscure album. Like what do you gain from that. And the things he focuses on line up well. He's certainly a fan if nothing else. But more like an insider. He shared a funny story to share about Michael. It sounds like one of his pranks.

Anyway, looking at it now, he does mention wanting to make a YouTube about it. I would hope this info gets validated for true or false one of these days, maybe Damien Shields would know the true truth.
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Weirder things have happened. There are also people who fabricate unreleased snippets, create full Wikipedia pages full of false info, so on and so forth. Plus, that’s a very good question—why Reddit? Why not come to MJJC? Or start a YouTube channel? Why go to a relatively obscure Reddit page, start an account to which you never returned, offer no proof that you are who you say you are, and conveniently name drop an unreleased title that fans have been curious about for decades? And why, of all the people who have been present, is assistant engineer Ryan Arnold the only one claiming “Bassouille” is real? If I’m not mistaken, Rob Hoffman, who was integrally involved in the whole album, was asked about that title and didn’t recall it.

I dunno. I could be totally off-base here, but this doesn’t line up at all to me. Too many unanswered questions. I wish somebody could actually contact Ryan and confirm.
 
AlwaysThere said:
I fully believe that Ryan Arnold was involved in HIStory as an engineer. I just don’t believe that the Reddit user in question is him.

Weirder things have happened. There are also people who fabricate unreleased snippets, create full Wikipedia pages full of false info, so on and so forth. Plus, that’s a very good question—why Reddit? Why not come to MJJC? Or start a YouTube channel? Why go to a relatively obscure Reddit page, start an account to which you never returned, offer no proof that you are who you say you are, and conveniently name drop an unreleased title that fans have been curious about for decades? And why, of all the people who have been present, is assistant engineer Ryan Arnold the only one claiming “Bassouille” is real? If I’m not mistaken, Rob Hoffman, who was integrally involved in the whole album, was asked about that title and didn’t recall it.

I dunno. I could be totally off-base here, but this doesn’t line up at all to me. Too many unanswered questions. I wish somebody could actually contact Ryan and confirm.
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I'm not saying it's definitely him. It's just not a total debunk.

The whole Bassouile thing is like the biggest mystery in MJ's whole air of personality.
 
AlwaysThere said:
I dunno. I could be totally off-base here, but this doesn’t line up at all to me. Too many unanswered questions. I wish somebody could actually contact Ryan and confirm.
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I tried but without success. I would very much like to be able to contact him and clarify all this. And if possible, and if it's true, tell us more. If anyone is coming, I'm also interested.
 
BlackAnon said:
That song title has plagued us for years and this guy seems to be the only person that heard it while it never rang a bell to Michael's key players
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If there's ever some truth about this mysterious song it's most likely just some tune presented to MJ at some point.
 
It's actually very believable that someone would create a fake reddit account for something like this. People are bored and want attention, or just like trolling. There's entire Youtube channels dedicated to uploading fake audio.
 
SmoothGangsta said:
It's actually very believable that someone would create a fake reddit account for something like this. People are bored and want attention, or just like trolling. There's entire Youtube channels dedicated to uploading fake audio.
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Going to Reddit instead of YouTube is just what makes no sense to me. If the guy is legit though, then obviously we'll keep seeing and hearing of him.

Bassouile at most is probably a real song, maybe a groove, with some weird insider name that nobody high up in the organization ever knew about or acknowledged.
 
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