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Oceangirl said:
allowing children to perform in sex clubs to pay rent and buy food is far more absurd than supporting a son in his attempt to exploit the death of your other son . the truth hurts but it is the truth .
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I hope you're referring to Joe here because Katherine did not know anything about that. She didn't know her kids were performing at these kinds of places.
 
Oceangirl said:
allowing children to perform in sex clubs to pay rent and buy food is far more absurd than supporting a son in his attempt to exploit the death of your other son . the truth hurts but it is the truth .
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When did Katherine allow that, wasn't Joe who was the one that had control over these boys carreer and wasn't he the one that arranged for these gigs. Katherine was not even aware of these things until after the happen. And by the way wasn't Katherine paying her own rent in Gary Indiana? In the E-True story the principal of Michael's elementary school said that Kate would often help her select materials at the cloth store that she worked. Infact I believed she worked two jobs.

There were are allot of things that Joe was doing with those kids that Kate was not aware of. They made a christmas allbum i am sure she probally was not aware of it or did not support it because of her religion.

And as far as those strip club they came in after the strippers left they weren't part of their act. For anybody to question this womans true devotion as a mother is a crying shame.

I guess some of us just loves to be negative and look at the bad side of things.
 
Kathrine seems to be a person who wants to please everyone and never say no , maybe that's why Michael loved her the most.
God bless her she is an angel.
Diana Ross was the only one Michael said was able to say NO to Joe and helped him to fight Joe's abuse.and that's why Michael trusted her the most.

Kathrine was love Diana was strenth and Liz was the fantasy...those are Michael's mothers.
 
Oceangirl said:
allowing children to perform in sex clubs to pay rent and buy food is far more absurd than supporting a son in his attempt to exploit the death of your other son . the truth hurts but it is the truth .
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~The truest truth of them all Is speaking ill of michael's Beautiful mother 'whether In subtle or direct fashion' for any reason Is not advisable for any member on this board...If that was not your Intent ? accept my appology please...
 
Poor Katherine :( I also think the concert is on too soon after Michaels death its a good idea to put it back to next year.
 
Katherine is a sweet woman but sweet doesn't mean weak, I doubt that Jermaine or anyone else forces her to do anything she doesn't want to do. Why do people question Jermaine or the family, see it as a sincere wish to keep Michael's legacy alive. Maybe they just want to do something, anything to keep his memory and legacy alive.
 
hilliver said:
Katherine is a sweet woman but sweet doesn't mean weak, I doubt that Jermaine or anyone else forces her to do anything she doesn't want to do. Why do people question Jermaine or the family, see it as a sincere wish to keep Michael's legacy alive. Maybe they just want to do something, anything to keep his memory and legacy alive.
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I used to think that way too.... When I was just a lurker here a year ago, I always wondered why this board seems to distrust the Jacksons so much considering they are Michael's family...

But after doing some (okay.. A LOT) of research aout the family, I can understand why some thinks that Jermaine (and the family) might have ulterior motives. But after all is said and done, they are still Michael's family so let's show a bit respect. The past is the past. ^_^
 
Katherine is so sweet. God bless her.
She looks so good for her age! She's beautiful.
 
OCEANGIRL

you are taking your dislike of the Jackson family A BIT TOO FAR in every single thread on this forum.

You are spouting hatred continuously like a tabloid. Be objective, point out issues, but don't go out on a blanket attack against all the Jacksons.

I know i disagree with some things they do, but not all, and to level such hate is unbecoming.

Without Tito and Jermaine to play the guitars, Jackie and Marlon to dance, there would be no Michael, the lead singer.

Without Joe to promote even when Berry Gordy had failed to respond, and without Katherine to sew their clothes, there would be no Jackson5

By the way, a lot of kids sing in bars. These are not sex clubs the kind that you have nowadays. Late at night, they had all forms of entertainment and if you recall what Michael said, they were kept away when adult stuff came on, in that they had to peep to see.

The stuff kids have access to nowadays supersedes anything the Jacksons saw as kids. So, go bash todays parents.

Jacksons are not like Mark Lester who was a mere childstar, they have their legacy as the Jackson5 and the Jacksons, just like the Beatles, Rolling Stones, Osmondss. They made multiple hits as a band and are inducted in the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame as the Jackson5, which is separate from Michael's solo induction.

If you go to a record store, you will see music by the Jackson5 and Jacksons on sale.

So, don't put down the family.

Infact, you may be surprised many African Americans look up to them as an iconic black group, the same way most caucasians look up to the Beatles or Rolling Stones.

Just because the media likes to bash this ethnic minority group doesn't mean you jump on the band wagon.

The Kennedy family has lots of faults, Rolling Stones take cocaine and do all sorts of stuff, but the media never focusses on that, yet for the Jacksons, their shortcomings are magnified ten-fold because though some like them, they are not "treasured"

Just like Michael, though many liked him, he wasn't "treasured", thereby he became an easy target for bashing.

The Jacksons have every right to hold a tribute concert, Michael is their fellow family member. It's just that Jermaine went about it the wrong way. So when you try to imply that executors should have all rights and say over everything Michael, YOU ARE WRONG. I'm sorry to say that.

None of these people are perfect, not the Jacksons, not the executors.

I believe by having these two opposing forces, what they agree to in the middle will be for the best.

Don't forget that the person who died was not only a solo artist, but also a member of the Jackson5, a member of the Jacksons, and a member of the family.

Your attitude is like if Donny Osmond were to die, the other Osmonds shouldn't talk about him, shouldn't stage a tribute and should be shut off completely by a family outsider who is an executor.

You have called Michael's family everything, greedy, pathetic, and so on

But you know what, atleast when the family talks, it squeezes out the likes of Stacey Brown, Diane Dimond and other low-lifes who spent their time trashing Michael.

Michael's shortcomong was he wasn't in the media face and that gave low-lifes room to fill that void. But with the Jacksons, you insult them, they will be there and essentially, low-lifes cannot compete.

Atleast 95% of what they say about MJ will be positive

Compared to lowlifes for whom 95% of what they say about Michael is slander


Would you rather have Jermaine on TV talking about MJ, and saying one or two things you don't like

Or Deepak Chopra talking drugs, Oxman, talking drugs, Mark Lester claiming Michael's kids?

Slowly the Jacksons will check their ego and will be all good for the Jackson legacy

OF WHICH THEY ARE THREE LEGACIES

The JACKSON 5 LEGACY 1969 - 1975

The JACKSONS LEGACY 1975 - 1984

The MICHAEL JACKSON LEGACY 1979 - 2009


And before you make comments about Jacksons legacy being till 1984, the Beatles one ended in the 1970s and Osmonds ended in the 1980s too but they still appear on TV shows.
 
Ohood said:
Kathrine seems to be a person who wants to please everyone and never say no , maybe that's why Michael loved her the most.
God bless her she is an angel.
Diana Ross was the only one Michael said was able to say NO to Joe and helped him to fight Joe's abuse.and that's why Michael trusted her the most.

Kathrine was love Diana was strenth and Liz was the fantasy...those are Michael's mothers.
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I would disagree with that actually, I've always felt Katherine to be loving yet strongminded. the way she refers to "her children", she's very protective. You dont raise such a big family, in showbiz, and deal with all that comes with it by saying yes to everything.
 
rsw22 said:
OCEANGIRL

you are taking your dislike of the Jackson family A BIT TOO FAR in every single thread on this forum.

You are spouting hatred continuously like a tabloid. Be objective, point out issues, but don't go out on a blanket attack against all the Jacksons.

I know i disagree with some things they do, but not all, and to level such hate is unbecoming.

Without Tito and Jermaine to play the guitars, Jackie and Marlon to dance, there would be no Michael, the lead singer.

Without Joe to promote even when Berry Gordy had failed to respond, and without Katherine to sew their clothes, there would be no Jackson5

By the way, a lot of kids sing in bars. These are not sex clubs the kind that you have nowadays. Late at night, they had all forms of entertainment and if you recall what Michael said, they were kept away when adult stuff came on, in that they had to peep to see.

The stuff kids have access to nowadays supersedes anything the Jacksons saw as kids. So, go bash todays parents.

Jacksons are not like Mark Lester who was a mere childstar, they have their legacy as the Jackson5 and the Jacksons, just like the Beatles, Rolling Stones, Osmondss. They made multiple hits as a band and are inducted in the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame as the Jackson5, which is separate from Michael's solo induction.

If you go to a record store, you will see music by the Jackson5 and Jacksons on sale.

So, don't put down the family.

Infact, you may be surprised many African Americans look up to them as an iconic black group, the same way most caucasians look up to the Beatles or Rolling Stones.

Just because the media likes to bash this ethnic minority group doesn't mean you jump on the band wagon.

The Kennedy family has lots of faults, Rolling Stones take cocaine and do all sorts of stuff, but the media never focusses on that, yet for the Jacksons, their shortcomings are magnified ten-fold because though some like them, they are not "treasured"

Just like Michael, though many liked him, he wasn't "treasured", thereby he became an easy target for bashing.

The Jacksons have every right to hold a tribute concert, Michael is their fellow family member. It's just that Jermaine went about it the wrong way. So when you try to imply that executors should have all rights and say over everything Michael, YOU ARE WRONG. I'm sorry to say that.

None of these people are perfect, not the Jacksons, not the executors.

I believe by having these two opposing forces, what they agree to in the middle will be for the best.

Don't forget that the person who died was not only a solo artist, but also a member of the Jackson5, a member of the Jacksons, and a member of the family.

Your attitude is like if Donny Osmond were to die, the other Osmonds shouldn't talk about him, shouldn't stage a tribute and should be shut off completely by a family outsider who is an executor.

You have called Michael's family everything, greedy, pathetic, and so on

But you know what, atleast when the family talks, it squeezes out the likes of Stacey Brown, Diane Dimond and other low-lifes who spent their time trashing Michael.

Michael's shortcomong was he wasn't in the media face and that gave low-lifes room to fill that void. But with the Jacksons, you insult them, they will be there and essentially, low-lifes cannot compete.

Atleast 95% of what they say about MJ will be positive

Compared to lowlifes for whom 95% of what they say about Michael is slander


Would you rather have Jermaine on TV talking about MJ, and saying one or two things you don't like

Or Deepak Chopra talking drugs, Oxman, talking drugs, Mark Lester claiming Michael's kids?

Slowly the Jacksons will check their ego and will be all good for the Jackson legacy

OF WHICH THEY ARE THREE LEGACIES

The JACKSON 5 LEGACY 1969 - 1975

The JACKSONS LEGACY 1975 - 1984

The MICHAEL JACKSON LEGACY 1979 - 2009


And before you make comments about Jacksons legacy being till 1984, the Beatles one ended in the 1970s and Osmonds ended in the 1980s too but they still appear on TV shows.
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Could not of said it any better.
 
you are taking your dislike of the Jackson family A BIT TOO FAR in every single thread on this forum.

You are spouting hatred continuously like a tabloid. Be objective, point out issues, but don't go out on a blanket attack against all the Jacksons.
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they failed to do anything to defend him , their friends and they started the talk about drug abuse , they sold stories about him to tabloids before and after his death , they gave interviews to tabloids who called him pedo ...etc , they constantly say well "mj was their father because he was there from day one " not because they believe he was the father , THEY ARE MAKING IT KNOWN THEY DON'T BELIEVE THOSE KIDS ARE HIS .

they act like they knew everything that happened with him when it suits them and in the next sentence they say we did not see him in years .



I know i disagree with some things they do, but not all, and to level such hate is unbecoming.

Without Tito and Jermaine to play the guitars, Jackie and Marlon to dance, there would be no Michael, the lead singer.

Without Joe to promote even when Berry Gordy had failed to respond, and without Katherine to sew their clothes, there would be no Jackson5
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well, mj was the talented guy in that family, he had the whole package that everyone else seemed to lack , so without MJ there would be no jacksons , that's why when mj turned his back they FAILED BIG TIME and they blamed mj for their failure .

By the way, a lot of kids sing in bars. These are not sex clubs the kind that you have nowadays. Late at night, they had all forms of entertainment and if you recall what Michael said, they were kept away when adult stuff came on, in that they had to peep to see.

The stuff kids have access to nowadays supersedes anything the Jacksons saw as kids. So, go bash todays parents.
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no, they were sex clubs , they were exposed to very sexual activity at a very young age , mj first saw a tranny in a sex club at the age of 9 . that's where the jacksons were performing first , at sex clubs .

Jacksons are not like Mark Lester who was a mere childstar, they have their legacy as the Jackson5 and the Jacksons, just like the Beatles, Rolling Stones, Osmondss. They made multiple hits as a band and are inducted in the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame as the Jackson5, which is separate from Michael's solo induction.

If you go to a record store, you will see music by the Jackson5 and Jacksons on sale.

So, don't put down the family.
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no, the siblings are exactly like Lester , THEY USED TO BE famous because mj carried them when he was a member in that group , they found themselves again in the lime light and are holding on to it like there is no tomorrow even if that means attacking mj's kids and invading his personal life.

Infact, you may be surprised many African Americans look up to them as an iconic black group, the same way most caucasians look up to the Beatles or Rolling Stones.

Just because the media likes to bash this ethnic minority group doesn't mean you jump on the band wagon.
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please , the last thing i heard many consider 50 cent , eminem and lil wayne very talented and even iconic and they look up to them . that does not change the fact they are perverts nothing more nothing less. and please don't compare jermaine , randy . tito or jackie with john , paul or even George . the only one who had the REAL talent was MJ , the rest were just there to do the show , when they disappeared nobody cared much because they were never THERE in the first place . nobody missed anything in fact.

The Kennedy family has lots of faults, Rolling Stones take cocaine and do all sorts of stuff, but the media never focusses on that, yet for the Jacksons, their shortcomings are magnified ten-fold because though some like them, they are not "treasured"
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the Kennedy family also can't be compared with the jacksons , while joe and katie's kids were performing in sex clubs to pay rent and buy foods , Rose and joe kids were attending Harvard .


Just like Michael, though many liked him, he wasn't "treasured", thereby he became an easy target for bashing.
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he run from this family to other families who took advantage of him and exploited hi9m even more , but the problem STARTED with his own family .


The Jacksons have every right to hold a tribute concert, Michael is their fellow family member.
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yeah they should have treated him like a brother not a cash cow .

It's just that Jermaine went about it the wrong way. So when you try to imply that executors should have all rights and say over everything Michael, YOU ARE WRONG. I'm sorry to say that.

None of these people are perfect, not the Jacksons, not the executors.
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well, to the jacksons mj meant money , money and more money , whether that is made by saying negative or positive things while the estate has interest in keeping everything positive about him and his kids are going to profit so yeah I want the executors to step and tell the jacksons to shut the **** up .

I believe by having these two opposing forces, what they agree to in the middle will be for the best.

Don't forget that the person who died was not only a solo artist, but also a member of the Jackson5, a member of the Jacksons, and a member of the family.
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again , someone should have told marlon's daughter that when she went and said during the trial in 2005 that she found mj's way of approaching tito's sons after their mother 's death very disturbing .she wanted to be a co host and felt she had to say something negative about her "uncle" to be appointed . that was the family he was a member of, Randy who stole from mj during that trial , jermaine , latoya ,marlon,joe...etc
Your attitude is like if Donny Osmond were to die, the other Osmonds shouldn't talk about him, shouldn't stage a tribute and should be shut off completely by a family outsider who is an executor.
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Donny , who ?

the Osmonds are like the jacksons with one exception only the osmonds has no Michael and so they are like them losers and far long GONE.
You have called Michael's family everything, greedy, pathetic, and so on

But you know what, atleast when the family talks, it squeezes out the likes of Stacey Brown, Diane Dimond and other low-lifes who spent their time trashing Michael.
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they are everything I called them , and you forget that stacey Brown is Rebbie's friend , when mj's camp stated that Stacey was not close to the family as he was claiming during the trial , Rebbie called Larry King and told him he was speaking on her behalf , go figure .
Michael's shortcomong was he wasn't in the media face and that gave low-lifes room to fill that void. But with the Jacksons, you insult them, they will be there and essentially, low-lifes cannot compete.

Atleast 95% of what they say about MJ will be positive

Compared to lowlifes for whom 95% of what they say about Michael is slander
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the family, their friends were the one who said mj was druggie all the time and they were not allowed near him . Latoya was the one who talked about mj's kids and every memebr of the family went with the same pattern since then .

Would you rather have Jermaine on TV talking about MJ, and saying one or two things you don't like

Or Deepak Chopra talking drugs, Oxman, talking drugs, Mark Lester claiming Michael's kids?
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jermaine is as credible as oxman and Deepak , you should have figured out that long time ago . nobody believes him . at least oxman and Deepak were not having sex while their little brother was in the same room .besid , oxman is very very friendly with Randy , he was even invited to mj funreral, you know oxman who sold stories about bringing blanket from a clinic two days after he was born , katie telling him she knew a jackson by looking and Blanket did not look like a jackson ....etc .


Slowly the Jacksons will check their ego and will be all good for the Jackson legacy

OF WHICH THEY ARE THREE LEGACIES

The JACKSON 5 LEGACY 1969 - 1975

The JACKSONS LEGACY 1975 - 1984

The MICHAEL JACKSON LEGACY 1979 - 2009


And before you make comments about Jacksons legacy being till 1984, the Beatles one ended in the 1970s and Osmonds ended in the 1980s too but they still appear on TV shows.
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man, I don't believe they had a legacy to begin with , it was Michael Jackson + his brothers . that's why when he left they faded and no one really cared .
 
Mrs. Jackson looks great but I think it's way too soon for her go to Vienna she just bury her son.
 
mickson177 said:
I think she needs more time to grieve but
Katherine is showing her support for the concert
however there is an error in the date
she said the 29th and the concert is listed on the web site for the
26th - Of course the media is all over this one
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I know :( ~ it occurred to me that the date 29th may have slipped out by mistake as it was Michael's birthdate :(

cgrimberg said:
Why does it feel like Jermaine is forcing his own mother to support his concert for Michael ??

I heard she and the rest of the family were against the concert because it was to early?.
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Who can believe what the media reports though?

Having said that, I've felt uncomfortable about it all myself. I'm uncomfortable with Jermaine's relationship with Tohme & the fact that he said that Jermaine was to be the only official spokesperson for the Jackson family. The questions raised around the charity associated with it; and the rush to stage it so quickly etc... all left me feeling uncomfortable and due to these things and the various criticisms being levied more widely, I was concerned that it would end up reflecting badly on Michael.
 
Oceangirl,

Your prejudices against Jacksons are deeply rooted and i will leave you with them. There is more to life than arguing.
 
Moonlight said:
I know :( ~ it occurred to me that the date 29th may have slipped out by mistake as it was Michael's birthdate :(



Who can believe what the media reports though?

Having said that, I've felt uncomfortable about it all myself. I'm uncomfortable with Jermaine's relationship with Tohme & the fact that he said that Jermaine was to be the only official spokesperson for the Jackson family. The questions raised around the charity associated with it; and the rush to stage it so quickly etc... all left me feeling uncomfortable and due to these things and the various criticisms being levied more widely, I was concerned that it would end up reflecting badly on Michael.
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My feeling is is that Jermaine is being and has been manipulated by powerfulpeople like Tohme not so far removed as the way Michael was also manipulated, maybe Jermaine is an opportunist to say the worst. I feel he is naive and has been advised by people to record smile and bury MJ at neverland etc , so ok he maybe financially benefits from this ,but it doesn't mean he is involved with harming his brother imo.
 
We must remember that the Jacksons are a family. Michael and the other siblings always said their parents taught them that "family is everything". On Geraldo,in 2005, Michael said his best friends were his children and his brothers and sisters. He also said that he was just like Joseph.

We are all on the outside looking in. We have no personal relationship or interaction with them so we don't know them. It's hard to really know the people we really have a relationship with. The Jacksons stick together and they will take the world on if anyone of them is attacked. The trial is a perfect example.

I love Mrs. Katherine but she is no shrinking violet. The media tries to paint her as someone who is a pushover. She runs that family. It is set up in the matriarchal traditon of many African American families from that era. SHE demands that they have Family Day once a month, She demands that each child calls home at least once or twice every week or two weeks, SHE had the final say on the burial.

If you review interviews with her and Joe over the past 30-40 years, SHE takes the lead. He defers to her. When they went to dinner at Madeo, Joe was quiet and would not respond to reporters. He is off the chain when he's by himself, not when he's with her.

Ms. Katherine is sweet, devoutly religious but she is not the meek lamb the media puts out there. She is a Strong Black Woman!

Please don't take offense by my mention of race. Strong Black Woman has a unique meaning.

God bless Ms.Katherine and the Jackson family.
 
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