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What does it mean that Warner-Tamerlane has only 10% share on Invincible songs but i.e. Billie Jean, Bad, Black Or White and most of the older songs it's 100%..?
 
it depends on how many writer/producers were involved in the song. Before working on a song MJ deals with Will I am for example concerning the publishing rights of the song (share). So if u got 3 or 4 different writers/producer in the same song MJ stakes would be less than 50%, got it?

But all MJ great songs from OTW to History belong to him (100%) and then are administered by Warner-Tamerlane through MIJAC publishing.

Don't worry he's got it all because MJ is not only owning his music publishing rights but also his mastersound tracks
 
"10%" is only few songs of Invincible; most part, the share is much bigger or 100% like in "Speechless" and "The Lost Children".
 
Also, it should be noted that "10%" and such figures have to do with author fees, but not publishing rights, which completely belong to Michael Jackson, who was investor for recordings.
 
Datsymay said:
Who has the publishing rights to Thriller? Does MJ get very much for that song?
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Even if he doesn't own 100% of a song (publishing right speaking) he owns the mastersound together with SONY Music. Once the distribution contract will be over with Sony BMG, the record company won't be able to print any cd of Thriller, OTW, Bad, Dangerous....

This is a first in the Music Industry, a singer that could own this much of control.
 
Salomons said:
Even if he doesn't own 100% of a song (publishing right speaking) he owns the mastersound together with SONY Music. Once the distribution contract will be over with Sony BMG, the record company won't be able to print any cd of Thriller, OTW, Bad, Dangerous....

This is a first in the Music Industry, a singer that could own this much of control.
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I was talking about the song. it is played just about eveywhere and who ever owns the publishing rights must be making a mint out of it.^_^
 
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Datsymay: "Thriller" song and all others except for "Billie Jean", "Whannabe Starting Something", and "Beat It" was produced solely by QJ Productions, hence for this song Jackson has only performer fees. However, though usually performer fees are rather small comparing to other types of fees such as author and, the biggest part, ownership rights, in concret case of Michael Jackson it can be other way due to his high status as performer even before "Thriller" album release.
 
denisrs said:
Datsymay: "Thriller" song and all others except for "Billie Jean", "Whannabe Starting Something", and "Beat It" was produced solely by QJ Productions, hence for this song Jackson has only performer fees. However, though usually performer fees are rather small comparing to other types of fees such as author and, the biggest part, ownership rights, in concret case of Michael Jackson it can be other way due to his high status as performer even before "Thriller" album release.
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So QJ is getting all that money from Thriller, even though it was the video that made it big.^_^ Does MJ get amything for his videos?
 
videos is the same as performances rights tmk ie gettign money when the song is played on the radio.
 
Salomons said:
Even if he doesn't own 100% of a song (publishing right speaking) he owns the mastersound together with SONY Music. Once the distribution contract will be over with Sony BMG, the record company won't be able to print any cd of Thriller, OTW, Bad, Dangerous....

This is a first in the Music Industry, a singer that could own this much of control.
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you know your stuff, Solomons.. thanks..
 
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FYI : most of music videos/live performances/tv shows/interviews/etc... are the property of :

- Optimum Productions
- Ultimate Productions
- World events

All those ventures deal with Michael Jackson's production and publishing rights (MJJ Ventures). Sony Music Video/Warner Home Video are just exclusive distributors

FYI : most of Michael Jackson songs are licensing through MIJAC publishing but i.e Thriller track belongs to RODSONGS publishing but the mastersound of the whole albums Thriller/OTW/Bad/Dangerous/History belong to Michael Jackson (MJJ Productions). So when Thriller album is sold a small fee goes to Rod Temperton (because of the publishing rights of Thriller track i.e) but a much larger fee goes to Mike because of the production rights.

Michael Jackson is the only singer in the world owning all of his songs and dealing with this much of control :

- 80% of his whole catalogue (publishing rights speaking)
- 100% of all mastersounds co-shared with Sony-BMG until distribution agreement done.

PS : Sony/ATV owns most of all the Beatles songs but the mastersounds are still the property of EMI (not Sony).
 
Use of terms/phrases like "masters", "mastersounds", "getting masters back" may be somewhat confusing so it would be better to avoid it (there is no mechanical/physical connotation in what actually meant).

More correct way is to say that MJJ Productions/Mijac MP has long running contract with now Sony-BMG ME, where the latter is given with exclusive copyrights of Michael's music. The same is with Sony/ATV MP having long time contract with EMI, where the latter is given with exclusive copyrights on Beatles' music.

Originally Posted by Datsymay
So QJ is getting all that money from Thriller, even though it was the video that made it big.:happy: Does MJ get amything for his videos?


no.. check out who the executive producers are on Thriller
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Actually with videos there is different story since, for example, "Thriller" was produced through Optimum Productions -- the company, which aggregates investment for the video. Publishing rights for the result video belong to MJJ Ventures. So every co-investor (called executive producer in this business) has it's share of profits from the video. Of course, Jackson receives separately fees as performer of the song.

And yes, what what said above about difference in profits calculation of singles/songs and albums is correct. Even though Michael was not producer of most songs of "Thriller", he has significant profits from the album as concrete compilation anyway.

Eventually, the matter is very, very complicated and can not be dissected here with proper accuracy since access to multiple contracts is needed.
 
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as was stated in another thread..it doesn't even matter that MJ doesn't own the 'soundrecordings' featuring john paul george and ringo, because this works in MJ's favor. too many highbrow people never want to let go of those recordings for use...and they tend to look down their nose at the idea of the publishing being used for new and emerging vocalists. meanwhile..as was the case with americn idol...MJ's catalogue is being used incessantly, by new vocalists on a public telecasted forum. so, the owners of the 'soundrecordings' are collecting dust..and MJ is collecting money, due to lack of egocentricity.
 
Salomons said:
FYI : most of music videos/live performances/tv shows/interviews/etc... are the property of :

- Optimum Productions
- Ultimate Productions
- World events

All those ventures deal with Michael Jackson's production and publishing rights (MJJ Ventures). Sony Music Video/Warner Home Video are just exclusive distributors

FYI : most of Michael Jackson songs are licensing through MIJAC publishing but i.e Thriller track belongs to RODSONGS publishing but the mastersound of the whole albums Thriller/OTW/Bad/Dangerous/History belong to Michael Jackson (MJJ Productions). So when Thriller album is sold a small fee goes to Rod Temperton (because of the publishing rights of Thriller track i.e) but a much larger fee goes to Mike because of the production rights.

Michael Jackson is the only singer in the world owning all of his songs and dealing with this much of control :

- 80% of his whole catalogue (publishing rights speaking)
- 100% of all mastersounds co-shared with Sony-BMG until distribution agreement done.

PS : Sony/ATV owns most of all the Beatles songs but the mastersounds are still the property of EMI (not Sony).
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speak, Salomons, speak!! love it when a fan knows whats up...
 
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denisrs said:
"10%" is only few songs of Invincible; most part, the share is much bigger or 100% like in "Speechless" and "The Lost Children".
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Yeah, but why so? Is this part of some kind of an agreement with Sony? Why only 10%?
 
I placed 10% in inverted commas because there was not actually information about such figure. However, on many "Invincible" songs there are long list of co-authors, so Jackson's part could be rather small.

It has nothing do with Sony-BMG ME, but has to do with negotiations between Jackson's and Jerkin's music business lawyers and actual input of each staff into creation of certain song.
 
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