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Was 911 Called From MJ's House Or Elsewhere?

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Michael Jackson's bodyguard “Tippy” Alverez is our 911-caller. He talked to the police 1 time and vanished into thin air. His wife doesn't know when he will be coming back. Why did the 911 guy answering the phone hang up before the paramedics arrived? That is not standard procedure.



Is the 911 call real? It could be a fake. Who released the audio originally? Maybe they have recorded it themselves. If you compare the 911 call with other (real) 911 calls, you hear that in this call the caller sounds very clear, while the 911 guy sounds a bit blurry. With real calls it’s the other way around. Why hang up before the EMT’s have arrived? Not standard procedure.

Ive heard there are also 4 different versions of the call. Dont know how true that is.
 
Dangerous Incorporated said:
Michael Jackson's bodyguard “Tippy” Alverez is our 911-caller. He talked to the police 1 time and vanished into thin air. His wife doesn't know when he will be coming back. Why did the 911 guy answering the phone hang up before the paramedics arrived? That is not standard procedure.



Is the 911 call real? It could be a fake. Who released the audio originally? Maybe they have recorded it themselves. If you compare the 911 call with other (real) 911 calls, you hear that in this call the caller sounds very clear, while the 911 guy sounds a bit blurry. With real calls it’s the other way around. Why hang up before the EMT’s have arrived? Not standard procedure.

Ive heard there are also 4 different versions of the call. Dont know how true that is.
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Didn't they claim that since there was a doctor with him it was higher authority than the paramedics?
Maybe that's why they hang up, but I'm not at all sure about it.
 
this i,m not sure about,i still think it would be against protocol to hang up,i mean the dispatcher cannot see the doctor is there, he cannot just take the callers word for it,i just cannot see it happening in a situation like this,when my daughter had a fit as a baby,i live in the uk.the dispatcher stayed on the line with me till the paramedics knocked on my door,
lets just give a little example,
lets just say i came across someone who had calapsed and a member of the public comes up to me and says,it,s o,k i am a doctor,in the meantime i am on the phone to the ambulance dispatcher and i tell them there is a doctor on scene,
how do i know this person is fully qualified,and most of all how would the dispatcher know,it would just make more sense to stay on the phone,
 
Also the fact that Murray was already doing CPR wrong and that 911 had to tell him to put MJ on the floor means that the they needed 911's help. Plus protocol is to stay on the phone until paramedics arrive no matter who is on scene. Paramedics could get the wrong address or whatever and then 911 has to hope they can get back in contact. That leaves them liable so they dont do that.
 
Dangerous Incorporated said:
Michael Jackson's bodyguard “Tippy” Alverez is our 911-caller. He talked to the police 1 time and vanished into thin air. His wife doesn't know when he will be coming back. Why did the 911 guy answering the phone hang up before the paramedics arrived? That is not standard procedure.



Is the 911 call real? It could be a fake. Who released the audio originally? Maybe they have recorded it themselves. If you compare the 911 call with other (real) 911 calls, you hear that in this call the caller sounds very clear, while the 911 guy sounds a bit blurry. With real calls it’s the other way around. Why hang up before the EMT’s have arrived? Not standard procedure.

Ive heard there are also 4 different versions of the call. Dont know how true that is.
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It certainly is standard procedure for the operator to stay on the line till paramedics arrive,especially if a person has lost consciousness.
 
Dangerous Incorporated said:
Also the fact that Murray was already doing CPR wrong and that 911 had to tell him to put MJ on the floor means that the they needed 911's help. Plus protocol is to stay on the phone until paramedics arrive no matter who is on scene. Paramedics could get the wrong address or whatever and then 911 has to hope they can get back in contact. That leaves them liable so they dont do that.
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correct.
 
There is supposed to 4 version of the 911 call.

The 'raw' call
TMZ version
2 web versions

In the original raw call, there is a womans voice saying "1min left". Odd. Ive found this video that compares them all. Im aware that some could be edited by anyone.
[youtube]mkJei9HJnDA&feature=player_embedded[/youtube]
 
Also his lawyer states Murray found Michael Jackson with a weak pulse, so WTF with the CPR? You don’t perform CPR on a person with a weak pulse!!
 
Does anyone know where I can get a copy of the original raw copy of the 911 call? Do you have to go through freedom of information or something?
 
The Dr. (Or someone) was with the guy who called 911, you can hear him in the background. ; I think or at least thought, it was from Michael's home.
 
Dangerous Incorporated said:
If you compare the 911 call with other (real) 911 calls, you hear that in this call the caller sounds very clear, while the 911 guy sounds a bit blurry. With real calls it’s the other way around.

Ive heard there are also 4 different versions of the call. Dont know how true that is.
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i was also going to ask about that. it was as if the recording machine was on the side of the caller and not 911.

i did hear the 4 versions of the call somewhere in youtube. in one version, there was a female voice at some point saying "1 minute more" or something like that. if i find it, i will share the link.

edit: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mkJei9HJnDA
 
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This is the 'RAW' version of the 911 call. At 0:20 you can hear a door knock. I dont know why there is a woman saying "one minute more". You can also hear typing on a keyboard too.
[youtube]iuzVZgfExjU[/youtube]

Isnt the dispatcher somewhat at fault for hanging up the phone a & he tells them they should have Michael on the floor for CPR and not on the bed. He later learns that there is a Dr there and says he is a higher authority than he is, but then he decides to hang up the phone despite a Dr being there and CPR still being done wrong?

Was has no one questioned why the dispatcher hang up? Why didnt the dispatcher get repremanded?

Was Murray avoiding the question or was he really worried that Michael was too far gone?

Why didnt Alvarez tell Murray to put MJ on the floor when the dispatcher told him to?
 
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I can hear the woman saying "less than a minute ago" Just when the conversation is 1 minute through it's way and then you hear her typing
 
Notice the difference between both parties in Britney Murphy's 911 call compared to Michael's?:
[youtube]5pnHf0_b6-U[/youtube]
 
Here is an interesting article:
June 26, 2009

(CBS/ AP) A 911 caller seeking help for Michael Jackson told an emergency operator that only a personal physician had seen what happened, and an ambulance was urgently needed because resuscitation efforts weren't working.

The Los Angeles Fire Department on Friday released a redacted audio recording of the call made Thursday by a person who only referred to Jackson as a 50-year-old man. It appeared that a mention of the phone number was deleted from the recording.

"I need an ambulance as soon as possible, sir," the caller said urgently but politely. "We have a gentlemen here that needs help and he's not breathing yet. He's not breathing and we need to - we're trying to pump him, but he's not, he's not."

The caller reported that Jackson was on a bed and the emergency operator began to instruct him to do CPR, but stopped when the caller said that the personal physician was there.

"Oh, OK. We're on our way there. If your guy is doing CPR and you're instructed by a doctor, he's a higher authority than me. And he's on the scene," the 911 operator said.

The operator asked if anyone witnessed what happened.

"No, just the doctor, sir, the doctor was the only one there," the caller said.

"Did he see what happened?" the operator asked.

"Doctor, did you see what happened, sir?" the caller asked someone in the room. Only an urgent mumbling can be heard on the recording.

"We're on our way. It's less than a mile away from Cedars," the operator said, referring to Cedars-Sinai Medical Center.

Paramedics, however, took Jackson to Ronald Reagan UCLA Medical Center, where he was later pronounced dead.
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2009/06/26/entertainment/main5117078.shtml
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Why did they take MJ to UCLA instead of Cedars Sinai?
 
I guess that's a question for the paramedics to answer.
In my country the ambulance takes you wherever there is immediate availability, and hospitals accept emergencies on a rotating basis.
I don't know the system in the US - could it be that UCLA is ranked higher than Cedars-Sinai??
Just speculating!
 
Every hospital is capable of dealing with a cardiac arrest.
 
UCLA Medical Centre is 2.4 miles away from his house and Cedars Sinai is 3.4 miles so they did go to the closest hospital. Dont why the dispatcher mentions Cedars then?
 
I just looked up both hospitals compared to Michael's house. Google Maps says that UCLA is 6, 8, or 9 minutes away depending on the route, while Cedar Sinai is 8, 9, or 9 minutes away based on the route.

Seems like UCLA was closer.

Edit: Whoops, should have refreshed before posting. :unsure:


I don't remember hearing them mention Cedar at all on the 911 call. Which version was it on?
 
Don't ambulances come from individual hospitals? Where was it coming from if it was even farther than Cedars?
 
Dangerous Incorporated said:
Does anyone know where I can get a copy of the original raw copy of the 911 call? Do you have to go through freedom of information or something?
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It's not a matter of the Freedom of Information Act, if that's what you're asking. It would be governed either by California's laws on public information, and/or the LAPD. As far as I know, the calls do not necessarily *have* to be released without a court order. That's not to say that TMZ got one for the initial call (I highly doubt they did)--for all we know they paid for it! But for the average joe, LAPD would probably not have to release it. Best way to find out: call the LAPD and ask.
 
I also don't understand all this talk about Cedars Sinai being mentioned in the call. I've listened to all the alleged versions of the call...I never hear anyone say Cedars Sinai. I hear them say "we're less than a mile away," which seems to me to suggest that ambulance is that close to the house at that point in the call. I do not hear Cedars Sinai. The only mention of that, that I am aware of, is the CBS story...and it's not impossible for CBS to make a mistake.
 
^^ Listen to CBS' version of the call. He says, "We're less than a mile away from Cedars."

Dangerous Incorporated said:
^^ Yeah I dont remember either. I assume the RAW version. CBS news are the ones who said that the dispatcher mentions Cedars:
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2009/06/26/entertainment/main5117078.shtml
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Have you heard the version they have? It messes up in the beginning and starts over.

P: What is the address of the emergency?
A: Yes, sir, I need to - I - uh, uh - I need an ambulance as soon as possible, sir.
P: Okay, sir, what's your address?
A: It's 100 North Carolwood Drive, Los Angeles, California, 90077.
P: Said Carolwood?
A: Carolwood Drive, yes. Carolwood Drive, yes. (Sounds exactly the same.)
*some fumbling is heard*
Murray?: Yes!

Call restarts from the introduction of the paramedic.


Also, when he says, "Can you please--" after Murray's little voice clip pops up (later on, not the one I mentioned above), there is a noise made as if he breathed into a microphone. I know cell phones can pick up on this a bit, but there is usually more static. This sounds a lot more clear (though we've been saying that about Alvarez's voice for a while now.)


It also sounds like "yes sir" is repeated (as if the voice clip itself repeated, not Alvarez repeating the phrase with new breaths) at the very end when the call is being hung up and the static begins. This could just be Alvarez responding to Conrad Murray, though.
 
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