It wasn't actually Cocaine. The family found something which they thought was Cocaine but when it had been tested it turned out it wasn't. Wouldn't surprise me if it was Cocaine though, something else to try and make Michael look like an addict and take the attention away from Murdering Murray and the rest of the crew.
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It wasn't actually Cocaine. The family found something which they thought was Cocaine but when it had been tested it turned out it wasn't. Wouldn't surprise me if it was Cocaine though, something else to try and make Michael look like an addict and take the attention away from Murdering Murray and the rest of the crew.
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I have the feeling that MJ didn't ask Conrad for anything that night. Someone caught MJ off guard, put something over his face that knocked him out then you know the rest
I don't think he asked for it.
I agree with you on this. There is no way (imo), Michael was in any shape to beg for more drugs.
Just think for a second: Michael is a very thin man, with the drug list and timeline given by Murray, there is no way he was still awake during most of that alleged ish, no way!
I believe our Michael was already gone by 9am on June 25th.
I believe the Autposy results are being withheld because they know that piece of info reveal the official time of death and also goes into details of torture with injections while he was "Under" and "Dying". Something tells me those earlier reports of him having needle marks on his body were true.
Our Michael was Murdered, he died a slow death riddled with torture at the hands of his own handlers for control over his wealth, Estate, and property.
We are gonna hear that the people Murray called were due to him being in a panic and wanting them to come over and help, THAT'S A LIE.
My Opinion is: He called the non Corporate Murdering Co-conspirators. His Allies in the crime.
The Corporate men in designer suits, waited to hear the deed of the Dr. and of Michael's demise on the news. I dont believe they wanted a phone call to connect them in the murder of Michael Jackson. They designed and funded the murder but they paid for lower level
Money Hungry criminals to be the front men.
Murray, as someone elese has said, Did not act alone. Not at all.
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I don't believe Murray acted alone..There are too many out there who wanted Michael dead. Once out of the way they can spend his money like it is theirs without anyone asking questions. Too much to gain and more MONEY to make..
It sickens me to think that Michael started at the age of 5 to support others. He was an old man even when he was a kid..Poor Michael..what a price to pay!!
Now they will shoot themselves in the foot. They will fight over the estate and the Money Murray was the fall-Man and a very stupid one at that..
The bloody fool cannot even cover up his mistakes at all. He is lying to cover up other lies and when will it end? He better call some names.
Murray Life looks a mess. He had one patient to look after and he killed it..how many more did he kill?
I wonder who hired this Idiot Dr?
AEG says it is Michael and I don't believe that..AEG was paying him..
They probably told Murray to knock Michael out and he did...
It sickens me to think that Michael started at the age of 5 to support others. He was an old man even when he was a kid..Poor Michael..what a price to pay!!
Now they will shoot themselves in the foot. They will fight over the estate and the Money Murray was the fall-Man and a very stupid one at that..
The bloody fool cannot even cover up his mistakes at all. He is lying to cover up other lies and when will it end? He better call some names.
Murray Life looks a mess. He had one patient to look after and he killed it..how many more did he kill?
I wonder who hired this Idiot Dr?
AEG says it is Michael and I don't believe that..AEG was paying him..
They probably told Murray to knock Michael out and he did...
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I'd like to know who was providing Murray with the drug in the first place. Murray isn't an anesthesiologist so he wouldn't have acess to it himself, would he??
And whoever was providing it to Murray, why would they? Don't they know Murray isn't the right doctor to have it? Did they even question why he needed it in the first place?
I would think it was from Kleine. That him and Kleine actually know each other.
I STILL can't believe Michael asked for that deadly drug, at least not with all that other crap.
And whoever was providing it to Murray, why would they? Don't they know Murray isn't the right doctor to have it? Did they even question why he needed it in the first place?
I would think it was from Kleine. That him and Kleine actually know each other.
I STILL can't believe Michael asked for that deadly drug, at least not with all that other crap.
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they thought it was heroin not cocaine and it turned out to be pot.....I hope I cleared this up for ya...
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I agree Kline is definitely involved. think the whole "father" angle is a smoke screen.
There's no record of the drug being obtained through Murray's medical license so it was obviously 'black market' kinda stuff. Even if we consider the small possibility that Murray didn't murder him, still, any Doctor should know that buying drugs from an unlicensed trader or chemist could be 'cut' or contain absolutely anything. Murder or not, Murray has done very little by the book and still has a lot to answer for.
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Very good post Moddie, it is horrific and I know in my heart this is true.
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Agree with everything you've said. I'm disappointed 'others' who were part of murdering MJ, not going to get caught. Hope when this case goes to trail, at least some others will get arrested not just this 'doctor'.
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Always wondered...every time I read/hear about MJ'd debts, why he had to borrow? and who he borrowed from?
I always thought when they spoke about his debt they meant all the royalties and money he owed people from videos and songs. I just can't understand how he was in the debt they say he was. He's the biggest pop star on earth, he's constantly selling albums and tracks, plus the records he has. Why would he be in debt? He must have been worth close to 2 Billion dollars, it certainly would have been over 1 Billion. Plus he was paying out for security, was he not paying for Katherines lifestyle too? And then the mansion which he was paying over 100k a month for and then his kids, planes, cars, everything! It makes no sense at all and nothing adds up.
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^ Michael is not in debt. It's another typical media lie cause they're "too lazy" to walk that extra lap for the truth, so they just say the first thing they hear about Michael, OR it's just a straight up lie and they just don't want to tell the real truth.
Michael had at least a billion dollars with all the stuff he owned and sold every year. And being .3 billion in debt still makes him NOT BROKE one bit.
If Michael Jackson is broke, then I would love to be as broke as him.
Michael had at least a billion dollars with all the stuff he owned and sold every year. And being .3 billion in debt still makes him NOT BROKE one bit.
If Michael Jackson is broke, then I would love to be as broke as him.
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What I know about this, is that he was in debt referring to the amount he made on cash, he spent a lot comparing to what he earned or to be more clear, the money he can inmeadiatly spent.
For instance, the music catalogs he co-own would need to be sold in order to get money from them.
Is like a house, it can be worthed millions, but you can only get those millions selling the house.
I found this story below when I was mooching around the net last night. I never thought about this nor knew about it before I saw this last night. Michael really did have Sony over a barrell.
In brief, Sony merged with Bertelsmann to form Sony BMG. Sony then bought out Bertelsmann altogether and Sony BMG then became Sony Music. The music publishing arm of Bertelsmann was not part of the deal - presumably because of a non-compete clause Michael had in place with Sony.
Sony Music is unique because it DOES NOT HAVE a music publishing arm...which it is apparently desperate to get!
In 2007 Sony was apparently trying to negotiate with Michael - they wanted the non compete clause relaxed or removed. I haven't been able to find any later articles about this at all so presumably they failed (why would he or ANYONE allow his partner to compete against him like that anyway? )
http://business.timesonline.co.uk/tol/business/industry_sectors/media/article2028494.ece
In brief, Sony merged with Bertelsmann to form Sony BMG. Sony then bought out Bertelsmann altogether and Sony BMG then became Sony Music. The music publishing arm of Bertelsmann was not part of the deal - presumably because of a non-compete clause Michael had in place with Sony.
Sony Music is unique because it DOES NOT HAVE a music publishing arm...which it is apparently desperate to get!
In 2007 Sony was apparently trying to negotiate with Michael - they wanted the non compete clause relaxed or removed. I haven't been able to find any later articles about this at all so presumably they failed (why would he or ANYONE allow his partner to compete against him like that anyway? )
http://business.timesonline.co.uk/tol/business/industry_sectors/media/article2028494.ece
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Guys do you think, there will be a trial when doctor gets arrested?
In that case, Jackson's lawyer(s) can keep questioning the doctor to bring out other names who might have been involved. Isn't it?
I believe it is a murder, no doctor can act this 'ignorant' or 'negligent'
In that case, Jackson's lawyer(s) can keep questioning the doctor to bring out other names who might have been involved. Isn't it?
I believe it is a murder, no doctor can act this 'ignorant' or 'negligent'
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Thank you. Agree with you.
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Only this week did I become slightly hopeful this may actually go to Trial.
After the LAPD officially ruled MJ's death a HOMICIDE, I saw that coroner guy with the accent and odd shaped head who performed Anna Nicole Smith Autopsy on one of the natl news programs and he spoke of this case going to Trial, whenever he was asked a question he would implement the word "Trial" as part of his answer as he spoke. From that, I take it, he assumes this will be going to Trial. He is very well respected as his often on the news. I liked watching him during all the Anna N. Smith saga. He seemed so sincere but sometimes its hard to understand his words.
Does anyone know who I'm talking about? I dont remember his name, its kinda different?
If it does go to trial, or even if there isn't and the Jackson family bring a civil lawsuit, AEG have pretty much an open cheque book courtesy of Anschutz. They'll be going all out to prevent Murray going down for anything because if he does, as his employer at the time, AEG will potentially be liable for a huge huge financial payout.
Anschutz has the media and political connections too so if it comes to it there'll be one hell of a dirty fight- behind the scenes and publically. AEG has already tried to relieve itself of responsibility by claiming Murray will have to sue the Jackson estate for his wages so right at the start was laying the foundations knowing the likely further trouble later.
I reckon if it goes to court however Murray will have the full force of AEG behind him. They have no choice.
Anschutz has the media and political connections too so if it comes to it there'll be one hell of a dirty fight- behind the scenes and publically. AEG has already tried to relieve itself of responsibility by claiming Murray will have to sue the Jackson estate for his wages so right at the start was laying the foundations knowing the likely further trouble later.
I reckon if it goes to court however Murray will have the full force of AEG behind him. They have no choice.
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I believe Murray WAS NOT signed with AEG at the time of MJ death. I think they said Michael never signed the contract or something, so basically he was working for free the entire time. He won't be paid now especially since Michael died. AEG is correct. If Murray wants to get paid money for his services during his tenure, he will have to sue the estate not AEG because he was not technically an employee yet. That is politically correct whether you like it or not.
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Murray and AEG and SONY fit likes two hands and one glove.( Thriller, Dangerous and This Is It)
Dr Murray is not the murderer he just the one who will be blamed AEG and SONY and Branca should be questioned and watched. They will be still for the next years or two but they will do what they have planned to do.
Look at this the first of many to rake in millions now Michael Jackson "cash poor" has been murdered. You will see many of these deals juist happen now.
http://www.usatoday.com/life/music/news/2009-08-27-beatles-remastered_N.htm
Dr Murray is not the murderer he just the one who will be blamed AEG and SONY and Branca should be questioned and watched. They will be still for the next years or two but they will do what they have planned to do.
Look at this the first of many to rake in millions now Michael Jackson "cash poor" has been murdered. You will see many of these deals juist happen now.
http://www.usatoday.com/life/music/news/2009-08-27-beatles-remastered_N.htm
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Thanks for that link, interesting. I wonder if this has anything to do with Michael's death as Paul McCartney was in talks as soon as Michael died.
Do you think Murray was involved at all?I thought he was the fall guy at first? he stil is to some degree as if he is a freemason he would have to do what they want, but someone else could have administered the lethal amount of propofol in reality. I think it is possible that he was meant to be dead from the drugs administered the night before in the morning, but he wasn't dead so they had to kill him and wait for him to die that is why there was all the delays with calling emergency as the plan went wrong and they had to wait for him to be dead. The amount of propofol murray gave michael 25mg wouldn't kill anyone according to experts, but someone gave him a lethal amount. His lawyer made a statement to say that the time line was wrong on affidavit and that he found Michael not breathing at 10.40 am was not obtained by police interview but was just police theory. AEG SONY and Dr Tohme and Branca are involved.
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Well many expert said that those drugs that were listed in that affidavit would have put everyone asleep. I think it was dr Drew who said that 2 mg ativan would put an elephant to sleep. What is Murray going to say if they ask him in court that why was he giving all these meds so fast and then added propofol on top? I've had propofol, they tell you not to eat or drink at least 6 hours prior to your surgery and not to take any medication. How is he going to explain why he gave him all these drugs and then added propofol. He had no training to use that medication. Some anesthesia expert said that 25mg would put you under for few minutes and she said that Murray had to give him a lot more to kill him.
And don't forget, the affidavit also mentioned that Murray never told anyone at UCLA that he gave propofol to Michael. Maybe he was hoping it would be long gone from his system. Maybe that nurse Lee isn't in it and her coming out made the coroner look for that drug because they said that it's not smth they usually test in toxicology?
Murray killed him and he is also the fall guy. Klein is going down with him. I think he's the one wo got the propofol. He does minor things in his office and probably uses propofol for those.
Maybe the reason why Murray waited to call 911 is because he was waiting for the propofol to get out of his system because as we've heard it leaves your body real fast and he was hoping they wouldn't find it in toxicology because they had no reason to look for it.
And Murray not wanting Michael to be pronounced dead at the house is because he didn't want the house to become crime scene, police would have found all sorts of interesting things from that house.
And don't forget, the affidavit also mentioned that Murray never told anyone at UCLA that he gave propofol to Michael. Maybe he was hoping it would be long gone from his system. Maybe that nurse Lee isn't in it and her coming out made the coroner look for that drug because they said that it's not smth they usually test in toxicology?
Murray killed him and he is also the fall guy. Klein is going down with him. I think he's the one wo got the propofol. He does minor things in his office and probably uses propofol for those.
Maybe the reason why Murray waited to call 911 is because he was waiting for the propofol to get out of his system because as we've heard it leaves your body real fast and he was hoping they wouldn't find it in toxicology because they had no reason to look for it.
And Murray not wanting Michael to be pronounced dead at the house is because he didn't want the house to become crime scene, police would have found all sorts of interesting things from that house.
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mmmmm ...so Murray had been injecting MJ for six weeks and he never got paid by MJ.
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wow..is this just a beginning
question, can Sony do this digital remaster without consulting MJ's estate executor?
That's just AEG grasping at straws and trying at the start to deny any responsibility. Its such a rubbish excuse from them it's almost laughable.
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I have another suspect in mind.
It might sound crazy but I wouldn't be surprised if Tom Sneddon knew more about al of this.
Everybody knows he has a personal vendetta against Michael for a long time.
He lost the case in 2005 and he's probably still very frustrated about that.
Putting Michael in jail hasn't worked for 2 times in a row, so three's a charm.
This man has a good motive to have Michael killed and he knows all the holes in the system to get away with something like this.
It might sound crazy but I wouldn't be surprised if Tom Sneddon knew more about al of this.
Everybody knows he has a personal vendetta against Michael for a long time.
He lost the case in 2005 and he's probably still very frustrated about that.
Putting Michael in jail hasn't worked for 2 times in a row, so three's a charm.
This man has a good motive to have Michael killed and he knows all the holes in the system to get away with something like this.
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Possible, but who would be behind Sneddon...?
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Interesting point, I think Michael upset a lot of people for one reason or another., from Martin Bandier being pipped to the publishing right involved with sony/atv catelogue in the 80s when Branca got the deal, to certain other powerful people (illuminati) in the music industry which I don't think should be ruled out because these people are the puppeteers pulling the strings to make this happen. There are many people involved in this and for it too work there has too be powerful others orchestrating it. If the truth does comes out then i will then believe other powers at force are not involved
I was thinking the same.Spooky