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Was Michael Jackson really murdered? Who did it? Let's talk about it

it seems like even the doctor is going to get away with homicide according to this message. They going to put blame on MJ taking so many different 'drugs', so they can't prove 'deprivine', that is what that Dr.Murray claiming to give MJ, killed MJ.

Authorities Facing Tough Challenges in Michael Jackson Case

By Howard Breuer

Originally posted Saturday August 15, 2009 12:10 PM EDT

For authorities investigating Michael Jackson's death, more could end up meaning less.

If the entertainer's autopsy report reveals other potent drugs besides the powerful anesthesia propofol, as has been widely reported, prosecutors will have a more difficult time building a manslaughter case against Jackson's private physician, experts say.

In short: more drugs, potentially less criminal responsibility for Dr. Conrad Murray.

"You have to show that the doctor knew about all of these other doctors prescribing these other drugs," says one Los Angeles deputy district attorney who prosecutes doctors. "It's a classic problem."

Murray, who reportedly admitted to police that he administered the dangerous anesthetic in the hours before his death, has not been charged with any crime, and through his attorney he has maintained his innocence. But search warrants served on Murray in Nevada and Texas indicate he's the target of a manslaughter investigation. The Los Angeles District Attorney's spokeswoman says they are not yet involved in the case and have no comment on what, if anything, may be charged.

Multiple Drugs, Multiple Doctors?
Although many anesthesiologists say it's extremely negligent and unusual for a doctor to administer propofol in a home setting and without proper monitoring, legal experts say that fact might alone not be enough to prosecute Murray for much more than an administrative-code infraction if it can't be proven that the propofol alone was what killed Jackson.

According to the Los Angeles Times and other media, Jackson's toxicology report revealed a few drugs, such as the anti-depressant Xanax, in addition to propofol. Legal experts say this helps explain why, more than seven weeks after Jackson's death, no charges have been filed and authorities are keeping mum.

Police "don't want the doctors who prescribed the other things running for cover," suggests Loyola Law School professor Stan Goldman, who agrees that it would be difficult to prosecute Murray alone for Jackson's death.

But prosecutors have a few options. If they learn Murray and at least one other doctor conspired to prescribe some of the drugs under fake names, they can charge doctors in a similar fashion to the two doctors in the Anna Nicole Smith case who, after a two-year investigation, were charged with multiple felony counts of conspiring to prescribe dangerous narcotics to an addict using fraudulent means.

Federal Charges an Option
"That may turn out to be an easier charge to prove under some circumstances than manslaughter," depending on what the investigation turns up, Goldman says.

Investigators also could ask federal prosecutors to indict Murray, and possibly other doctors, for improperly transporting the drugs across state lines, says Los Angeles attorney Robert H. McNeill Jr., who has defended doctors in criminal cases. Search warrants in the search this week of a Las Vegas pharmacy where Murray apparently obtained the propofol say authorities were looking for FedEx records relating to "the purchase, transfer, receiving, ordering, delivery and storage of Propofol to Dr. Conrad Murray."

McNeill adds that, if Murray is charged with manslaughter, prosecutors "will have to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that (Murray) knew everything about what drugs Jackson was taking and his whole medical history."

He adds, "This will be a battle of medical experts and the most difficult thing to prosecute."

No Need to Rush
Former Los Angeles prosecutor Robin Sax says she's not overly concerned by the amount of time that's passed without charges being filed, or by pervasive reports that Jackson died after taking several drugs.

"There's an eight-year statute of limitations. The one thing L.A. wants to do is to let the media die down on it," Sax tells PEOPLE. "They also might want to package things so they can get doctors to roll on other doctors. This is not an exorbitant amount of time by any stretch of the imagination."

She adds that just because the toxicology results might make it harder to prove manslaughter against Murray doesn't mean her former colleagues won't try and won't win.

"We'd file cases that are hard all the time," Sax says. "The difference is this is hard in front of the media and in front of the public, so they are taking extra precautions."

http://www.people.com/people/article/0,,20298137,00.html
 
True no one will be arrested. This is all a staged drama for the benefit of some who know something is wrong but will become silent after the "officals" follow their scripts for the camera's and say "Accidental Over Dose". Remember Hollywood and the Media Moguls OWN the LAPD and control the m asses with their "enter-trainment and "network news" program(s). Just look at all the deaths in Hollywood every years. If this was any other Industry people would be suspicious.


Words For The Day


pro⋅gram  to set, regulate, or modify so as to produce a specific response or reaction.


con·spir·a·cy - An agreement between two or more persons to commit a crime or accomplish a legal purpose through illegal action.
 
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^ wouldn't surprise me a bit if MJ outsmarted their arses ...
there are lots of topics on that tho (until they get closed as most mods consider it a disrespect to the family to consider something like that a possibiity and as for where Jan is looking, it could be there but maybe because he looks odd and she's wondering who it is?) and I surely don't want to get O/T with it, however I will say I recall him saying to fans, the record company never thought a singing dancing blah blah (don't remember exactly his wording) performer would ever out-think them.. so no, it really wouldn't surprise me a bit. ... ok a bit but i'd be jubilant although if that's discussed in detail (especially if it were possible) imho it should not be in a trollable forum anyway for safety reasons but no, I don't think we'll be allowed to belabour that conversation lol even if it does give some people a sense of hope ..

I don't know what took me so long to read this thread (well yes I do, length and time) but I'm glad I did. Its so good to see so many people using their heads and not gulping down every bit of crudd the media has fed us. Excellent work you guyz. I'm really impressed and very thankful for your insights.
 
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Thomas Meseareu is a good man and a great lawyer as we all know. Does he work/assist Jackson family? is he part of Jackson family lawyers? thanks.
 
We need to take control of this situation. We are the ones that love Michael and know what :angel: and who he is. You will not tell us just anything and think we will just believe it.

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They have really underestimated the love we have for Michael, our shitty. And they underestimated Michael. They thought he was so naive, but what the fail to understand is the power of love. And Michael gave it in abundance. They could never see where his true power lay. Why do we all love Michael soooo much? Think about it. Through his love for us (an unconditional love) he helped the ones that needed help, he inspired the ones that needed inspiration, he saved the ones that needed saving, he and helped those whom where lost find themselves. Really, I have read so many testimonials that tell how Michael literally saved them. Me, he has transformed. I now know what my purpose is in life, and through the grace of God I will fulfill my purpose. I owe Michael so much and I am positive a lot of you feel the same way. The love he gave us is so powerful. It is the type of love that God wants all of us to give. And we know it, that's why Michael's connection with us is so strong. The evil people that took Michael away from us can't even begin to comprehend it. And this is why we are so powerful and we have to channel that love that Michael gave us toward one central objective. That is, to not let these Murders get away with this. I know these people will have to stand before God and explain why they did what they did.

But, just one time I want to see justice served here on earth as well. :pray:

Michael deserves this from us. He gave us so much. These people took things to a whole other level and Now it is time we get on their level. They are playing for keeps. Michael is gone and he will NEVER come back. This is a reality.

http://www.mjjcommunity.com/forum/showthread.php?t=74045
 
yes he was.

Black man who owned catelogs.publishing and had all of that control and touched lives all over the world, yeah he had a line of folks out to get him indeed.

if the powers that be can blow up Bob Marley bigger in death, 2Pac,Biggie,Hendrix then what do you think they saw with MJ?
 
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Moddie777 said:
Can someone please tell me in "detail" what these videos show? Pretty Please?
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Both of the videos posted have videos describing the MJ-death as a media hoax, meaning Michael faked his own death. Both the videos describe what looks like an older gentleman in disguise, wearing a white fedora, mustache and white hair, he appears in the memorial service on the second row. Many people believe he *is* Michael Jackson, in disguise.
 
A drug addict would'nt be so concerned and aware of what's going on around him. (ex: thome thome)

How do we know the 'doc' didn't just give Michael all that crap telling him it was okay??? How do we know he didn't insist on giving it to Michael?

I can't imagine someone as intelligent as Michael asking for drug after drug after drug then some propofol. Does that sound like Michael to anyone?

I think that's what happened, what I have in bold. But I don't feel like elaborating, I need some rest.
 
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kasume said:
A drug addict would'nt be so concerned and aware of what's going on around him. (ex: thome thome)

How do we know the 'doc' didn't just give Michael all that crap telling him it was okay??? How do we know he didn't insist on giving it to Michael?

I can't imagine someone as intelligent as Michael asking for drug after drug after drug then some propofol. Does that sound like Michael to anyone?

I think that's what happened. But I don't feel like elaborating, I need some rest.
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Exactly!
 
This doctor was not acting alone

I believe, we all know who control the media. I mean these people are very powerful, they control congress,media and the show biz. What happens after that?You control the minds of every one who watch tv or read newspapapers.

Mj refused to bow down, that is why he was killed.
 
Well on the fact he wasn't even a board certified physician or for medicine it's hard to believe that this man intended good things. For the fact he has been walking the streets and still is not even a properly doctor is scaring. Knowing this guy was in charge of James Brown and we know how that ended.

This case for Dr Murray is completely indefensible on the case he isn't even properly qualified. No matter what ever happens if a patient demands a drug and you give in then you certainly aren't a proper doctor.

My mum won't even allow me to have 3 co-dyramol because she fears it's way to much. Something happened that we all know in the 1980's the Pepsi commercial therefore we cannot blame Dr Murray for his dependency on prescription medication but he should have not backed down. 6 Hours of medication later and he died only because someone with a lack of qualification is handing out medication like recreational drugs at parties.

Even so Michael should be held responsible to some extent, Michael in the 80's never got help when his problem started and at the beginning of his problem he would have been somewhat aware of what was happening to him. If you have people around you that truly care and the pressures are lifted off you then it will become easier to get out under the hell he was in. Over the years though he was in a world wind of unfortunate circumstances some that he did indeed put himself in.

Someone like Michael who saw the eyes through the child's didn't understand how everyone viewed and unfortunately his naivety side in some circumstances destroyed him. His trust in others was so great that he left himself at the back of the line.

If someone was standing in the road and he was walking by he would let them cross, if someone held out their hand he would help, if someone was in need he would give and if someone said this person will help you he got that help. In the end the people took advantage and he was no longer in our reach. He turned in to the fans stranger my opinion is I didn't recognise him anymore he was the example of a stranger someone who had been pushed out of his own life until there was nothing left for him to gain.

Dr Murray took someone's life and others's we may not know that aren't even celebrities, he is walking this streets now people believing he is a doctor this man has to be stopped. He is and maybe already has been taking people's life when more than very capable doctors out there who are fully qualified could have helped our dear Michael and helped him in to a life free of drug use. Unfortunately he was being enabled until he realised nothing was going to be refused and he lost his fight that he was trying to battle.

Tragic but Dr Murray must be stopped NOW, before another human being becomes victim to a non qualified human being!!!
 
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They still have not established that Michael Jackson had a 20 plus year addiction to pain killers. Yes he was burned during the 1984 Pepsi commercial but looking at him from 1987-97 he did not seem to be in "constant pain" as the media wants us to believe.

Was he taking medicines probably but was he addicted?

I need more proof.

I also believ if we find out How MJ aquired his debts we will find out who and why he was murdered.

He had no real reason to start borrowing money.

MJ averaged nearly 100 million a year from 1984-1993
93/94 he leased the Northern ATV catalog for 200 million
1995 HIStory and the SONY/ATV merger where MJ was paid 110 million and became a 50/50 partner with SONY publishing.

This all add up to over a billion dollars and does not include all his income.
Why would MJ ever need to borrow and eventually reach 300 million in debts?
 
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Michael doesn't have any organ damage associated with long term drug use, also the time he spent in Bahrain since the trial, it would be very difficult to get certain drugs ie propofol there, you wouldn't take propofol for insomnia anyway. If he were a drug addict I doubt he would go to live in the middle east. At what point did he decide to take propofol, no it doesn't make sense. If he did use it he seemed quite puritanical so he would more likely have done in the proper way ie hosptial anaethethologist etc, I don't believe he would have asked someone to do it illegally. It is all an excuse to kill him with it and make him look like a drug addict as past dependency and probable use it is difficult to prove otherwise. Perfect murder. that can't be proved.
 
Can somebody explain to me PLEASE!!! Why the coroner found lidocaine on Michael???

Lidocaine is just a local anesthesic... I don't get it..

And now they said that marijuana and cocaine were found on his room... was the doctor high??? 'Cause Michael didn't cosnume any of this... so meanwhile the pacient was sleep the doctor was getting high??
 
HemlockDevi said:
They still have not established that Michael Jackson had a 20 plus year addiction to pain killers. Yes he was burned during the 1984 Pepsi commercial but looking at him from 1987-97 he did not seem to be in "constant pain" as the media wants us to believe.
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Not only that but during one of the trials, the police manhandled him so roughly that they displaced his shoulder bones, even injuring other areas. Michael said because of what they did to his shoulder, he was in pain ALL THE TIME.

danny_yo18 said:
And now they said that marijuana and cocaine were found on his room... was the doctor high??? 'Cause Michael didn't cosnume any of this... so meanwhile the pacient was sleep the doctor was getting high??
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That's a good question. Obviously, Michael wasn't on street drugs. Someone just doesn't put that message of staying off of drugs so many times in their songs, and then go and do the drugs. That would make Michael a hyprocite, meaning did he REALLY care for animals and the earth?? And by the actions Michael did in his life that went right with the messages in his songs, (supporting and visiting the needy), I personally believe he was not on street drugs. I mean, I can't even imagine that.
 
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I have the feeling that MJ didn't ask Conrad for anything that night. Someone caught MJ off guard, put something over his face that knocked him out then you know the rest :(

I don't think he asked for it.
 
afrika said:
This doctor was not acting alone

I believe, we all know who control the media. I mean these people are very powerful, they control congress,media and the show biz. What happens after that?You control the minds of every one who watch tv or read newspapapers.

Mj refused to bow down, that is why he was killed.
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Bingo.
 
Kizmic said:
I have the feeling that MJ didn't ask Conrad for anything that night. Someone caught MJ off guard, put something over his face that knocked him out then you know the rest :(

I don't think he asked for it.
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Oh gosh, that's so horrible!!!! And it's so horrible because it's completley possible....that's why I won't go there.
 
danny_yo18 said:
Can somebody explain to me PLEASE!!! Why the coroner found lidocaine on Michael???

Lidocaine is just a local anesthesic... I don't get it..

And now they said that marijuana and cocaine were found on his room... was the doctor high??? 'Cause Michael didn't cosnume any of this... so meanwhile the pacient was sleep the doctor was getting high??
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where did you hear/read that cocaine was in Michael's room??? This is something new. I am sorry but I have not heard this.....see those damn haters are already reporting lies.
 
I haven't read anything about cocaine...I did read about marijuana and "tar heroin," but the heroin was disproved rather quickly with some sort of analysis and was said to actually be rancid marijuana. But if it was actually there, they haven't released any info that it belonged to Michael, and there have not been ANY reports of him having street drugs in his system. So to me, that's all circumstantial anyway. It could have belonged to anybody. Heck, the doc could have placed it there to make MJ look bad instead of himself (not saying he did...just saying there are all sorts of ways that could have gotten in that house).
 
I don't think Michael really knew what he was taking, or the implication of it. You look at the people who are peddling the drug addict stories and they are all people who crawl out of the woodwork with stories about Michael all the time.

Michael unwittingly developed an addiction, and any time he had to take strong pain medication he would very quickly become dependant on it, Klein is the one who by his own admission suggested proceedures to improve Michael's looks, we know how often he was seen coming out of Klein's office in the last few months, these treatments probably made him need strong pain relief, and part of the side effects if you stop taking them is insomnia.

These doctors knew what they were doing, they got Michael dependant on them and were making thousands of dollars out of him. This is such a tragedy that should never have happened.

These doctors murdered him for money, dress it up how they will, they knew they were putting his life at risk and they still did it.
 
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