Was Michael Jackson really murdered? Who did it? Let's talk about it

No, it was not just Murray's fault. One person alone cannot bring MJ down. And plus, their are too many people acting wierd in this investigation to be not involved in some way. Dr. Kleine for instance and that Nurse Lee. And many others.


You said wierd....


http://www3.signonsandiego.com/stor...23-police-chief-resigns-shocking-l/?uniontrib
Police chief resigns, shocking L.A.

2:00 a.m. August 6, 2009
LOS ANGELES – Police Chief William Bratton stunned the city yesterday, saying he'll step down after a seven-year tenure in which crime rates plummeted to 1950s levels and once-contentious relations between officers and diverse communities improved.
Only a month ago, Bratton said he was shopping for a new home in Los Angeles. Yesterday, he said he'll join a global security firm based in Virginia.
“For me personally and professionally it is the right time,” Bratton, 61, told a standing-room-only City Hall news conference.
When Bratton took over in 2002, the Los Angeles Police Department was struggling to recover from a corruption scandal and the notorious 1991 videotaped beating of Rodney King.
“It was a troubled organization in what was arguably a very troubled city,” he said.
Bratton will leave at the end of October widely credited with ushering in an era of safer streets and eased relations between police and the people they protect. Among other improvements, he cited city efforts to deter terrorism.
But he hoped his legacy would be improved race relations.
“I believe we have turned a corner in that issue, in that this is a city that is proud of its racial diversity, it is a city where people work together. It is my belief that the Los Angeles Police Department has played a significant role in bringing that about,” he said.
Bratton's decision came weeks after a judge released the department from eight years of oversight by the U.S. Department of Justice, which had alleged a long pattern of abuse.
Bratton plans to join Altegrity Inc., based in Falls Church, Va., to bring professional policing to emerging nations. He said part of the lure was a larger paycheck as he approached retirement and the opportunity to work with a friend, Michael Cherkasky, who heads the company.
Cherkasky was the lead monitor overseeing the LAPD under the federal consent decree until it was terminated last month. Bratton also worked for him as a consultant before joining the department.
Bratton saw no conflict in going to work for Cherkasky.
His exit set off speculation about a successor as well as tributes to his leadership.
“I'm in mourning today,” said John Mack, a high-profile black member of the civilian Police Commission who in his past role as leader of the Los Angeles Urban League was a frequent critic of the department. Mack stood at Bratton's side at the news conference, along with Mayor Antonio Villaraigosa.
“The people of Los Angeles are safer than they've been in half a lifetime,” said City Council President Eric Garcetti, crediting Bratton for reforms and for knocking down the crime rate to levels not seen in decades.
Media reports often mentioned Bratton as a likely candidate for top jobs at the FBI and U.S. Department of Homeland Security. But he gave no hint he was leaving California. When Bratton placed his four-bedroom Los Angeles home on the market last month, he told the Los Angeles Times he and wife Rikki Klieman planned to buy another residence in the area.
Bratton was picked to lead the LAPD after heading police forces in New York City and Boston. He'll leave two years into his second and final five-year term.
One goal of the Bratton administration was to make the force more closely resemble the diverse city.
The 10,000-officer force is now 42 percent Hispanic, 37 percent Caucasian, 12 percent black and 7 percent Asian, according to Gerald Chaleff, the civilian administrator in charge of the department's reform office.
 
The biggest case in the world is on his desk and the entire universe is watching and waiting and the Top Dog resigns. This is no coincidence. Bratton either stumbled upcon something he shouldn't have and wanted to investigate that angle and was threatened not too or somebody has been trying to manupilate the investigation to work in their favor and he(Bratton) wants no part of it and his resigning is his way of saying he disapproves with something!

Michael's murder is involved with this resignation(imo). No way the two could be separate! If it was, Bratton would have stepped Down after this Investigation was officially over.
 
I don't think there's involvement like that.
I learned at last to believe ppl this motive usually: "a larger paycheck."
 
I just don't understand why the police chief would resign in the middle of an ongoing Michael Jackson death investigation.
 
I don't think there's involvement like that.
I learned at last to believe ppl this motive usually: "a larger paycheck."

It's probably an easier job, too. Isn't he 64? At 64 I'd be looking for an easier job if I was ready to retire yet. Possibly the fact that an opening like this doesn't come along like this everyday had something to do with it also.
 
This August 3rd 2009
Follow the money
Sony/ATV
MiJAC
The Children(Hiers)
Debbie Rowe(The new"mother" of the year according to the Media)
SONY next move
AEG next move
John Branca(the fixer)

Special note on Elizabeth Taylor
I have a strange feeling her "hospitalization" was also arranged by the criminal network to keep her quiet.
She would be (if able) correcting all these lies about Michael Jackson the "drug addict".
I'm really curious to know, if the proceeds of music sales etc. will go to MJ's estate, how Sony and AEG going to get benefit?
Why AEG or 'dark forces' want MJ dead, rather than let him go do the concerts? Won't AEG get their share if MJ had done his concerts?
I hear that MJ's estate is in debt, AEG/others don't want MJ to settle his debts and have his estate debt free. IF so are AEG/Sony/others creditors who lent money to MJ?
Does MJ owe to who? who are those creditors?
Doesn't MJ has copy rights to his music? if so the proceeds from sales will go to his estate automatically. doesn't it?
I'm dying to know these....can anyone answer please...appreciate. Thanks
 
I'm really curious to know, if the proceeds of music sales etc. will go to MJ's estate, how Sony and AEG going to get benefit?
Why AEG or 'dark forces' want MJ dead, rather than let him go do the concerts? Won't AEG get their share if MJ had done his concerts?
I hear that MJ's estate is in debt, AEG/others don't want MJ to settle his debts and have his estate debt free. IF so are AEG/Sony/others creditors who lent money to MJ?
Does MJ owe to who? who are those creditors?
Doesn't MJ has copy rights to his music? if so the proceeds from sales will go to his estate automatically. doesn't it?
I'm dying to know these....can anyone answer please...appreciate. Thanks

The other musician's catalogues MJ owns is worth way more than any concert he would do. 50 concerts is ridiculous. Those shows wouldn't generate as much cash as the merchandise sold, movie deals, the Beatles Catalogue.

MJ's unreleased material is worth 500 million. The catalogues now going to Sony is worth 2 billion. I don't think they really were expecting Michael to make it to 50 concerts.

:( Money money money.

""Sony is in an ideal position right now to sell tons of Michael Jackson catalogs, collector sets, [and] unreleased materials," agrees former Sony Music Entertainment Chairman Tommy Mottola."

http://www.businessweek.com/magazine/content/09_30/b4140030465911.htm


Sony was once CBS Records. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CBS_Records
 
I just don't understand why the police chief would resign in the middle of an ongoing Michael Jackson death investigation.

Exactly!!!!!!! It aint right and something is definately up and the right answer aint gonna be found in that article with quotes from Bratton either.

Somebody did not want him to do his job and find out the truth about who REALLY murdered Michael and why.

I did not even see any media pick this story up. Had it been any other star's death investigation with the top law enforcement offical stepping down, the media would be demanding answers and making a big deal out of it!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
All these things would be worth something whether he died now or later. Also, I highly doubt the merchandise is going to sell more now than it would have if he was alive. All those people who were going to the shows would have bought stuff. I'm not buying anything other than music or video now. Had I gone to the shows, I would have bought other stuff.

Also, his estate still owns Jackson's share of the catalog, so its not as if Sony gets everything now that he's dead.

Exactly!!!!!!! It aint right and something is definately up and the right answer aint gonna be found in that article with quotes from Bratton either.

Somebody did not want him to do his job and find out the truth about who REALLY murdered Michael and why.

I did not even see any media pick this story up. Had it been any other star's death investigation with the top law enforcement offical stepping down, the media would be demanding answers and making a big deal out of it!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Who's to say this guy resigning has anything in any way, shape or form to do with the Jackson case? Michael Jackson may be the most high-profile case they have, but there are likely many more just as important and confusing cases. People who are found dead and have no identity, no suspect in the murders.... Things do no start and end with Michael Jackson.
 
CARR: Michael called me, just like he told Dick Gregory, he called me and said, listen, they`re after my Beatles collection.

BLOOM: Who`s they? Who?

CARR: Whoever they are.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Oh, conspiracy

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Why 'they' want the Beatles collection...because it's worth billions or zillions....
If MJ has the rights to Beatles collection, by murdering him, can 'they' get it?
Or Beatles collection belong to MJ's estate?

Will AEG or Sony do the 'take over' of these Beatles collections?

I read in some posts, it was mentioned 'Catalogues' ...what is catalogues ? is it Beatles collections?
 
Do you guys think John Branca is a good man? would he do the job as MJ trusted?
will all these proceeds from MJ's collections, help MJ's Estate to debt free?

Kizmic - thank you for replying to my message. I'm really learning so much from all of you.
Oh man, this is sickening...and I'm so terrified to think what kind of a life MJ was leading as he was surrounded by the people who wore 'invisible' masks and pretended for his money...wow he survived all these years....really scary. He was a blessings to the word...but he suffered and lived in fear and finally 'murdered' ...
My heart bleeds....:(((
 
Exactly!!!!!!! It aint right and something is definately up and the right answer aint gonna be found in that article with quotes from Bratton either.

Somebody did not want him to do his job and find out the truth about who REALLY murdered Michael and why.

I did not even see any media pick this story up. Had it been any other star's death investigation with the top law enforcement offical stepping down, the media would be demanding answers and making a big deal out of it!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Could be a coincidence. A new job this big is usuallay negotiated for a long time in advance.

While we all really love Michael, for this guy he was probably just another high profile case.
 
I don't know what it means but don't sound good to me.

Sounds like Motive, but I don't know.


You are smart to pick up on that. Alot of people believe this was reason alone for Sony to Team up with Aeg and the other crooks years ago and plan the perfect way to take out Michael Jackson once and for all.

Sony has wanted full, complete and sole control over all things Michael, including the Catalogue.
 
Could be a coincidence. A new job this big is usuallay negotiated for a long time in advance.

While we all really love Michael, for this guy he was probably just another high profile case.


hmmmmmmmmm. Big coincidence isn't it?
 
What does this mean? Can anyone explain please...thanks

"Under a clause in Jackson's Epic contract that specified he would regain control of the masters of his songs in 2011, Sony could claim it is also due songs created before then, says one former high-ranking Sony executive."

found it here: http://www.businessweek.com/magazine/content/09_30/b4140030465911.htm

I'm sure glad the Judge appointed a lawyer to look after the financial
interests of Michael Jackson's children: Prince, Paris and Blanklet.
They are certainly going to
need one.
 
Harvey of TMZ was just chatting about how Murray's lawyer's are saying some strange things that don't really help him. Say what you like about TMZ but I think its good they are discussing all sides to the story unlike some so called more 'respectable' sites which just go on about Michael's prescription drugs.

He also was discussing how Murray was supposed to be on the phone and walked out of the room, they have heard he was asleep but he told the police that he was on the phone to cover that up but then that messes up his story for delaying the 911 call... also he will probably get done for over prescribing an addict.

Harvey of TMZ seems to be really interested in getting the truth out and seems to dislike Murray like us fans. Which is good compared to the other media.

Don't get me wrong I don't believe all TMZ say but I don't believe all any media say even if its CNN or the BBC - often their sources are similar its just how the write it up.
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So does that mean the deal won't continue and and sony will get to keep all Michael's master songs in 2011???
 
I think it is likely that Dr Murray is the fall guy or patsy, it is just too obvious to be him.

I think it is possible he found MJ dead, hence he had to get Prince as a witness to cpr on MJ, to show that he was trying to revive him.

The other option is someone planted contaminated or lethal drug in place of the ones that were being used so that they killed him. There is probably loads of info we don't know as well.

The reason I think he was murdered is that MJ said himself there was a conspiracy against him first of all trying to destroy him through allegations and the media and he believed TPTB were involved with child allegations to some degree. They tried to create a financial situation to force him to sell his catelogue. I agree with the poster that posted that he would have been able to pay sony off and be a free man and keep his part of the ATV sony catelogue after these concerts.

There is way to much suspiciousness around MJ death for it to be an accident.

What is TPTB?
 
MJ couldn't trust anyone around him, he seemed to be not drinking or not eating occasionally thinking 'they' trying to poison him.
Why MJ never had any family members at least his parents or sibling with him?
Really too sad to know he was afraid all of his life, but he never took any action...
 
MJ couldn't trust anyone around him, he seemed to be not drinking or not eating occasionally thinking 'they' trying to poison him.
Why MJ never had any family members at least his parents or sibling with him?
Really too sad to know he was afraid all of his life, but he never took any action...

He saw all his family 3 weeks before he died. Surely he could have spoken to them about any worries he had.
 
He tried to speak out about things and then they ruined him by framing him with the allegations. Some of the stuff he thought about people probably made him sound 'mad' but I think he was right all along, to live cut off from the world and with that fear must have been so scary bless him.
 
MJ couldn't trust anyone around him, he seemed to be not drinking or not eating occasionally thinking 'they' trying to poison him.
Why MJ never had any family members at least his parents or sibling with him?
Really too sad to know he was afraid all of his life, but he never took any action...
His family, when he was around them, always, also just talked about
him going back on tour with all of them.
Michael did not want to tour again with his entire family, who, as usual planned to take most of the money he earned for themselves.:mello:
 
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