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I have no trouble believing the OP but we need names to back it up.
Perhaps this should be moved to the IU forum?
Perhaps this should be moved to the IU forum?
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What AEG exec told my friend about Michael
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I'm even more convinced now my baby Michael was killed.
Thanks so much for the post though, we need to know the truth.
Thanks so much for the post though, we need to know the truth.
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I never saw Michael as a weak baby who was told by others what to do all the time.
He had many reason to do the concerts,fans, his children, money,his message and future albums.
I think do or die is about Michael as an artist.
If he would make an album he knew his fans would buy it, but he didn´t know how many fans he had left.
It seemed to be a surprise for him that so many concerts sold out and more fans wanted to see him.
When he was doing his tours he was in charge and could do everything he wanted but now he was the architect and was paid by others ,
but they could never say to him that he should do 50 shows if he only signed for 10.
Maybe he wanted to do 10 shows in London and the other 40 on some other places but this time he had to do what others decided.
Michae was a rich man but I think he knew that things he wanted for the shows costed money and I´m sure AEG had said no if it was going to be too expensive.
And he was 50 years and hadn´t performed in public for years, it takes time before you get into it and he probably was tired before he got used to it.
In the movie Kenny sometimes had to put together several rehearsals to get a full performance.
If AEG wanted to murder him because they would get more money from a movie I think they woud have waited for a while.
They would have more cameras and you would get full performance from every song including dirty diana with the right clothes and things, and we woud also have the lightman.
Michael probably slept on propofol most nights and they could kill him any night if they wanted to.
If they had let him do some of the shows they could get a movie with an audience.
But I think they wanted him to do all the shows and later there had been a dvd made from the shows and one making of this is it.
It was going to be Michael Jacksons last concerts and it was going to be the best concerts ever, maybe after all the concerts it had been a concertmovie on the big screen before releasing dvd.
He had many reason to do the concerts,fans, his children, money,his message and future albums.
I think do or die is about Michael as an artist.
If he would make an album he knew his fans would buy it, but he didn´t know how many fans he had left.
It seemed to be a surprise for him that so many concerts sold out and more fans wanted to see him.
When he was doing his tours he was in charge and could do everything he wanted but now he was the architect and was paid by others ,
but they could never say to him that he should do 50 shows if he only signed for 10.
Maybe he wanted to do 10 shows in London and the other 40 on some other places but this time he had to do what others decided.
Michae was a rich man but I think he knew that things he wanted for the shows costed money and I´m sure AEG had said no if it was going to be too expensive.
And he was 50 years and hadn´t performed in public for years, it takes time before you get into it and he probably was tired before he got used to it.
In the movie Kenny sometimes had to put together several rehearsals to get a full performance.
If AEG wanted to murder him because they would get more money from a movie I think they woud have waited for a while.
They would have more cameras and you would get full performance from every song including dirty diana with the right clothes and things, and we woud also have the lightman.
Michael probably slept on propofol most nights and they could kill him any night if they wanted to.
If they had let him do some of the shows they could get a movie with an audience.
But I think they wanted him to do all the shows and later there had been a dvd made from the shows and one making of this is it.
It was going to be Michael Jacksons last concerts and it was going to be the best concerts ever, maybe after all the concerts it had been a concertmovie on the big screen before releasing dvd.
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mj agreed to it he signed a contract so of course he was contractually obligated. aeg had been chasing him for the previous two years at least to do the shows.
yeah the productions cost was around 30-40 mill so someone can do the maths of £75 times about 900K or whatever the attendence would be and prob throw in some more from the % aeg were making off viagogo and thier rip off prices/ and thriller packages
"4. That he had driven the cost of the project so high that they were looking at a loss if the concerts had gone through
5. That they made more money than they ever imagined after he passed."
What you mentioned here scares me........if these are TRUE.........it screams......MOTIVE! That's why MJ's end up dead?
We all know that MJ's doesn't like TOURS right? He said so himself. And if he ever agrees to one....we'll of course...expect it to be extravagant and BIG...or else it's not an MJ's concert. I'm sure AEG knows that.......how MJ's concert's work .......it's not only BIG but always the BIGGEST...........and if AEG didn't allow MJ with all of his ideas and visions I'm sure they will not go ahead or they will not ok it, right?
Lets put it this way......MJ will not sweat the small stuff right.....getting all the act together and all.......I'm sure he'll only practice or visit the practice when all are ready and set.....coz with MJ.....he has no problem in his songs and dance.......so even I will agree or really don't mind if MJ only showed much enthusiasm in the later part of the practice.....coz by that time...he can already see and appreciate evrything.......all he needs to do some polishing to meet his likings or
5. That they made more money than they ever imagined after he passed."
What you mentioned here scares me........if these are TRUE.........it screams......MOTIVE! That's why MJ's end up dead?
We all know that MJ's doesn't like TOURS right? He said so himself. And if he ever agrees to one....we'll of course...expect it to be extravagant and BIG...or else it's not an MJ's concert. I'm sure AEG knows that.......how MJ's concert's work .......it's not only BIG but always the BIGGEST...........and if AEG didn't allow MJ with all of his ideas and visions I'm sure they will not go ahead or they will not ok it, right?
Lets put it this way......MJ will not sweat the small stuff right.....getting all the act together and all.......I'm sure he'll only practice or visit the practice when all are ready and set.....coz with MJ.....he has no problem in his songs and dance.......so even I will agree or really don't mind if MJ only showed much enthusiasm in the later part of the practice.....coz by that time...he can already see and appreciate evrything.......all he needs to do some polishing to meet his likings or
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Hmmm....we all know that Michael didn"t actually liked to tour. But of course, he had to, it comes with the territory and he never wanted to dissapoint his fans.I bet he liked the idea even less when he became older. I know he wanted his kids to see him on stage, he said that many times. But not 50 shows in a role...no one can convince me that. Of course AEG and Sony are putting everything to look so smooth and great and full of joy but im my PERSONAL oppinion it wasn"t quite like that.
And don"t forget that Michael was fighting Sony for years...he made some really serious allegations and he was so right.!!!!!!
And don"t forget that Michael was fighting Sony for years...he made some really serious allegations and he was so right.!!!!!!
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Sony had nothing to do with the concerts. They only got involve with the movie after he died and they had to put in a bid along with everyone else. So, I fail to see how Sony somehow influence Michael concerts dates.
Also, it was not 50 shows in a roll. It was about 3 shows in a week with a break in the middle for the last 19. He was going to be in London from July to March. So, he was not doing 50 shows every single day. Michael also been in the business for years, if he didn't like how the concerts were lined up, he would had changed it. Give him some credit. AEG also never said everything ran smoothly. What concert have you ever heard running smoothly? Nothing in life runs smoothly, so this is not really a point.
As for Michael doesn't like to tour, yeah he said that. He also said Bad would be his last tour and that didn't happen. He wanted to do these concerts for his own reasons and it was not about money.
As for the "AEG made all this money off his death", the concerts would had made between 500 to 700 millions dollars and that is on the low end. At best, TII money might make 300 to 400 million. And if things went well, AEG could had convince Michael to do more shows, globally. Which would had made the them billions. TII and everything surrounded it are scraps compare to what they could of made.
As for, Michael might break contract if AEG said not to overspend, he was under contract. He could not call off the concerts on a whim. That is why people make contracts. AEG knew what a Michael show look like, so they knew early on it was going to be expensive.
Yeah, the concert could had failed. Every concert in history has a chance for failure, so this is not new. However, to believe that AEG afraid of a lost will murder their star and risk forever ruining their reputation it a big jumped. If the concert failed, it would hurt Michael far more than AEG. Afterall, the media would had called it Michael's failures, not AEG's.
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Thank you! I know there is evil out there and the heinous acts of some in our society have generally warped all of our way of thinking. But taking a man's life because of fear of loss on some concerts should get more perspective. Not everyone has murder in them.
AEG produces music shows. As you said, they have the risk of gain or loss with any of them. Businesses write off millions in losses every year. The wealthy owner of AEG probably has gained and lost more in the stock market in a few months than what he would have lost on these shows--IF they failed.
For the leap to be taken that Michael was killed because of these shows is indeed a leap.
The same unfounded evil that we are imagining of AEG is what destroyed Michael's life.
He was a man who loved and embraced children in his life and in his home, and was persecuted unmercifully for it by narrow minded thinking. In our grief and unwillingness to accept this tragedy, the same kind of mind think is being exhibited.
Killing someone is a big deal! To imply AEG would resort to it because of a series of concerts when that's their business year in and year out is as unwarranted as the claims that were made against MJ.
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IM SO SICK OF ALL THIS ..
Im ready to take it where no man has gone before ..
first of all We dont know you from Adam
2nd we dont know your friend
3rd you have given no credible source _ no names
Give your sources (meaning your invisible friend and AEG executive)
or we have no reason to believe you a complete stanger to this community ...
Actually what you stated doesnt seem sinister at all
and doesnt show anything wrong- just what happened
as Michael got more involved in his shows he got more excited
and had more confindence in the shows and his abilities ..
it seem very logical .. Now why shed darkness on it ..
Lets take it one more step .. becuase we need to get it ALL our there
maybe Something terrible happened to knock the wind out of his sails
and cause him greif and to not be able to sleep the night he died ..
maybe he recieved an unlikely package .. ( A gift)
causing him to doubt his abilities and causing him
to feel ugly in the eyes of his fans .. maybe he felt
restless and hurt and unable to sleep ..
If you are going to continue
we should shed light on everything ..
Yes Im going there ... Ive had enough
of the unfounded accusasations.
there is to much speculation
and unfounded accusations being hurled around
but why is this one fact always ignored ..
Im just saying maybe .. lets put it ALL out there
along with all the other ISH ...
ITs possible .. but all is just specualtion
We need to STOP blaming people for MJ's murder
unless you have facts and reliable sources to
back it up _ STOP ..
THis thread needs to be in the investigation unit
not out on the main board _ it's going to cause grief
and more people to leave the forum ..
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exactly not to mention the merchandising and the possibility of a 3 year deal and the Thriller 3D thing and/or a live dvd. I remember that article from back in March or April talking about how much money these shows were gonna bring not just to AEG and Michael but also the London economy due to people travelling from all over and booking hotels and everything. Michael had been considering offers for live shows for ages before he chose to do TII. I wouldn't be surprised if not just AEG were trying to persue live deals with MJ but also other promoters like Livenation etc.
at the end of the day, the entire first post is nothing more than hearsay.
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I believe that now this thread should be in the I.U. I understand that some find it upsetting, but after reading the opening post you have an idea what it's about, so please don't upset yourselves by continuing to read this if it's just too painful?
We do not KNOW what sort of arrangements AEG had with Sony prior to the movie (and you do not, either), but that there was some sort of alliance was obvious given the partnership with TII.
You simply do not KNOW this. There was a lot of indication that Michael was having a cash-flow problem. One indication of this is that for the FIRST time, Michael had not hired his own videography crew to tape rehearsals, as Frank DiLeo revealed during his interview. This was the first time that anyone can point to where Michael was not in control of/owned what was taped of rehearsals.
Michael is on record as saying touring simply took too much out of him, i.e. what he said about having to use I.V.s for rehydration after concerts, and that he didn't want to DO that anymore, and his doctors had told him not to tour again. I believe him.
There is a thread in the I.U. that goes through the entire, comparative, financial possibilities, if anyone is interested in reading that? If he'd completed the concerts, it would have made a HUGE amount of money. If he had not, the losses would have been enormous.
Again, I think this is best in the I.U. It really all comes down to whether or not Michael was in good enough shape to complete the concerts (not just a few). He was either too thin, or he was not, or ill, or he was not. If he was going to cancel, or be unable to complete the concerts, then, as was said by Randy Phillips, "It was a do-or-die moment." He died. . . . . .
We do not KNOW what sort of arrangements AEG had with Sony prior to the movie (and you do not, either), but that there was some sort of alliance was obvious given the partnership with TII.
You simply do not KNOW this. There was a lot of indication that Michael was having a cash-flow problem. One indication of this is that for the FIRST time, Michael had not hired his own videography crew to tape rehearsals, as Frank DiLeo revealed during his interview. This was the first time that anyone can point to where Michael was not in control of/owned what was taped of rehearsals.
Michael is on record as saying touring simply took too much out of him, i.e. what he said about having to use I.V.s for rehydration after concerts, and that he didn't want to DO that anymore, and his doctors had told him not to tour again. I believe him.
There is a thread in the I.U. that goes through the entire, comparative, financial possibilities, if anyone is interested in reading that? If he'd completed the concerts, it would have made a HUGE amount of money. If he had not, the losses would have been enormous.
Again, I think this is best in the I.U. It really all comes down to whether or not Michael was in good enough shape to complete the concerts (not just a few). He was either too thin, or he was not, or ill, or he was not. If he was going to cancel, or be unable to complete the concerts, then, as was said by Randy Phillips, "It was a do-or-die moment." He died. . . . . .
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Sick!
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Even if he was doing it against his will,the film editing would not allow that to appear.
TII was meant to be a film from the start IMO.
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Please move this to IU, we don't know this person and the post is entirely too speculative. No offense to the theorist but it needs to moved so they can delve into it.
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Ramona, gerryevans, qbee, thank you for your posts.
I fail to see the big murder conspiracy that implied here:
1. Michael did not, in fact, want to do the concerts, but was "contractually obligated"
Yes, of course he didn't want to do the concerts. He never liked to tour. It's a job for him. A very tiring, demanding, stressful job. On top of this, he was making a comeback after nearly 12 years. I am sure that made everything more stressful.
I hate my job sometimes and I will complain about it, but I am obligated to go to work everyday. MJ was contractually obligated because he signed the contract. It's the simple reality of life.
3. That Michael only got excited about the project towards the end - and that he was like "a kid in a candy store"
Well of course he was, because everything was coming along nicely and he was getting into it. Tensions would run high in a project of this scale at the beginning. But obviously things were going good lately and Mike was enjoying what he was doing best.
4. That he had driven the cost of the project so high that they were looking at a loss if the concerts had gone through
5. That they made more money than they ever imagined after he passed.
If the cost of the project were so high, why any of them at any point didn't say no? It would be much easier to say no than to plot a murder, I think.
They were already considering taking these concert to other continents, they stood to gain so much money from this. And DVD/Blu Ray sales only would be sufficient enough to cover any loss if there were any.
As for making more money after his death, yes of course they did. As cruel as it is, that's life. AEG is a business. They consider this from a business point of view. They had to recoup their losses.
But to think that they somehow plotted to murder Michael just because they were going to lose money over these concerts is kinda crazy. (I am sorry I could not find a better word.)
Murder is a very very serious accusation and shouldn't be thrown around like this.
I fail to see the big murder conspiracy that implied here:
1. Michael did not, in fact, want to do the concerts, but was "contractually obligated"
Yes, of course he didn't want to do the concerts. He never liked to tour. It's a job for him. A very tiring, demanding, stressful job. On top of this, he was making a comeback after nearly 12 years. I am sure that made everything more stressful.
I hate my job sometimes and I will complain about it, but I am obligated to go to work everyday. MJ was contractually obligated because he signed the contract. It's the simple reality of life.
3. That Michael only got excited about the project towards the end - and that he was like "a kid in a candy store"
Well of course he was, because everything was coming along nicely and he was getting into it. Tensions would run high in a project of this scale at the beginning. But obviously things were going good lately and Mike was enjoying what he was doing best.
4. That he had driven the cost of the project so high that they were looking at a loss if the concerts had gone through
5. That they made more money than they ever imagined after he passed.
If the cost of the project were so high, why any of them at any point didn't say no? It would be much easier to say no than to plot a murder, I think.
They were already considering taking these concert to other continents, they stood to gain so much money from this. And DVD/Blu Ray sales only would be sufficient enough to cover any loss if there were any.
As for making more money after his death, yes of course they did. As cruel as it is, that's life. AEG is a business. They consider this from a business point of view. They had to recoup their losses.
But to think that they somehow plotted to murder Michael just because they were going to lose money over these concerts is kinda crazy. (I am sorry I could not find a better word.)
Murder is a very very serious accusation and shouldn't be thrown around like this.
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thx for sharing ...sadly i am not surprised
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OMG. This makes me absolutely sick to my stomach...
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Editing is not a magic wand that can make things disappear. You can have the best editing team in the world, however, you cannot cover everything and how well anything turns out depends of the footage. I work with photoshop and went to school with film students who actually did edit film. I can tell you now that if Michael was 'force' to do those concerts, it would had shown. Just as it would had shown if he was under the influence at at time.
Once again, look at LWMJ. Bashir edit the hell out of that doc to show Michael as a monster and a weirdo. However, even with how heavy it was edit, Michael's true nature still came through and many people her actually became fans of Michael through that doc. I thought the doc was quite good, if Bashir didn't ruin everything by taking. I would must rather prefer Michael telling his own story himself without a voiceover, much like what was done in TII.
As for "he was force", the last time I checked it was Michael own handwritting on his contract. No one else signed for his, so he was not force. AEG has been hunting him for 2 years and he say no, so he was hardly force.
Also, since we don't even who this person is, his statements should be taken with a grain of salt.
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Of COURSE you can, plus computer enhancements. What one sees on film these days is ANYTHING the film-makers want you to see. Ever see Harry Potter? You don't think that dragon was really THERE, do you? How about 2012? Really? Cinema can do absolutely anything. To me the TII filim doesn't prove, or disprove, anything.
I believe it was Tohme who had Power of Attorney and signed the contract? We have not "seen" the contract, anyway. It's not a PDF. If it is, please post it? There was that fateful phone-call that Tohme talked about. Randy Phillips called HIM and asked if Michael would agree to fifty concerts. Tohme said, "Ill ask him and call you back." He called Phillips back and said Michael had agreed. We have no way of knowing if he actually asked Michael, or if Michael agreed, or if it was as Michael said, that he went to bed one night doing ten concerts and woke up committed to fifty.
I see that this thread has been moved to the I.U. There are different guidelines here than the rest of the board. We should all review them? Again?
But you are right. "Grain of salt." No names were given. . . .
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bowen9999
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Vic, the AEG contract (signed by MJ) has been posted before as I saved it to my hard drive.
*Edit* Found the link.
http://www.radaronline.com/sites/default/files/AEG%20contract.pdf
*Edit* Found the link.
http://www.radaronline.com/sites/default/files/AEG%20contract.pdf
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The fact is he died in preparation for ONE show. The first one. And he definitely committed to at least that. The same perfectionism and wanting to present something bigger and better than ever seen before would have still existed for 10 or 50 shows. That was MJ. He didn't know how to work any other way, and this was his big comeback.
It was not AEG's vision that was being created, it was Michael's. AEG paid for it. They were NOT contractually obligated to give Michael EVERYTHING he wanted, but to a large extent they did or the costs would have been better contained.
The implication that after AEG conceded to Michael's wishes, they then concocted a way to kill him to cover potential losses is incredible and unfounded. Promoters live with losses everyday. It's their business. They need pop stars to exist. They don't go around killing them.
I have no doubt that Michael would have preferred not to do any shows. He knew what they did to him. He committed out of necessity, just like most of us humans do. We go to work when we feel it's the best course for our accomplishing what we want.
What Michael wanted to accomplish could have ranged from keeping his catalogue to proving something to himself and his children, and a host of things in between. And if putting on some concerts would accomplish these wants, okay, let's go for it. Once, he commited himself, did he grumble about it and regret having to do any of the shows? Probably. That's how many of us feel about our jobs. That's human.
Hi guys,
i just want to point out that i have absolutely no reason to lie about this. This conversation happened, and i am telling the truth. My friend is very close to me, and we were together after the dinner with the AEG exec. He mentioned it casually, and was telling me to calm down when i freaked out, and he has no reason to lie either. He asked me not to share this with anyone, but i just thought you guys would want to know.
As many of you have pointed out, this information is not necessarily new. No, Michael did not like to tour, we don't know why he did it - in fact, i don't know that anyone can make Michael do something he does not want to do, he has backed up from a bunch of contracts in his life. We don't know the exact situation MJ was facing. Whether he had cash flow problems or not, whether this was the one contract he could not get out of, whether he really did want to do the concerts, this is speculation. That he was actually contractually obligated is not speculation.
We also don't know the exact costs of the concerts. I am just passing on what was actually said that night.
Finally, please understand that I never said that AEG killed Michael. I specifically said i do not believe it. These are just some facts that were presented by someone inside AEG. I know i said "motive" but that was my concern when i heard the convo, and that is why i deemed it was worth starting a thread for. I am sorry if any of you are upset, i did not mean to upset anyone, honestly i did not. I also did not lie.
We don't have to read too much into this. We don't. But it happened.
Thank you, and sorry if i upset anyone with this thread.
Love.
i just want to point out that i have absolutely no reason to lie about this. This conversation happened, and i am telling the truth. My friend is very close to me, and we were together after the dinner with the AEG exec. He mentioned it casually, and was telling me to calm down when i freaked out, and he has no reason to lie either. He asked me not to share this with anyone, but i just thought you guys would want to know.
As many of you have pointed out, this information is not necessarily new. No, Michael did not like to tour, we don't know why he did it - in fact, i don't know that anyone can make Michael do something he does not want to do, he has backed up from a bunch of contracts in his life. We don't know the exact situation MJ was facing. Whether he had cash flow problems or not, whether this was the one contract he could not get out of, whether he really did want to do the concerts, this is speculation. That he was actually contractually obligated is not speculation.
We also don't know the exact costs of the concerts. I am just passing on what was actually said that night.
Finally, please understand that I never said that AEG killed Michael. I specifically said i do not believe it. These are just some facts that were presented by someone inside AEG. I know i said "motive" but that was my concern when i heard the convo, and that is why i deemed it was worth starting a thread for. I am sorry if any of you are upset, i did not mean to upset anyone, honestly i did not. I also did not lie.
We don't have to read too much into this. We don't. But it happened.
Thank you, and sorry if i upset anyone with this thread.
Love.
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danae85
I appreciate your sharing the info. Like you said, there wasn't anything really new in it. As fans who still grieve his loss, we just tend to analyze, theorize and at times over react.
Again, thanks for sharing.
I appreciate your sharing the info. Like you said, there wasn't anything really new in it. As fans who still grieve his loss, we just tend to analyze, theorize and at times over react.
Again, thanks for sharing.
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Since we're discussing the contract, I've always wondered if the contract posted by radaronline is the final one. The very last sentence is:
"By signing below each party acknowledges its agreement to the foregoing and agrees to negotiate the definitive agreement expeditiously and in good faith."
So if definitive is legalese for final, then this would not be the very last version, or does that clause mean something else?
Also, the date on the top is blacked out, so we don't know when this document was actually written. It also talks about 31 shows between July 26 and September 30, another inaccuracy that makes me think this was not the very final version
Even if the final contract is very similar to this one, which I believe it is, we cannot be sure what was signed exactly based only on this document IMO.
"By signing below each party acknowledges its agreement to the foregoing and agrees to negotiate the definitive agreement expeditiously and in good faith."
So if definitive is legalese for final, then this would not be the very last version, or does that clause mean something else?
Also, the date on the top is blacked out, so we don't know when this document was actually written. It also talks about 31 shows between July 26 and September 30, another inaccuracy that makes me think this was not the very final version
Even if the final contract is very similar to this one, which I believe it is, we cannot be sure what was signed exactly based only on this document IMO.
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I'm hoping that now that this thread has been moved into the I.U., that those who are upset by speculations, in general, will read the guidelines of this forum carefully, and maybe leave this thread alone if it's too disturbing? This is a piece of information that can be fit into a patttern (whether the pattern is "true" or not, we don't know, and I hope no one characterizes the I.U. that way?) with other things that have been said/speculated about here. If someone has not read here extensively they may not realize what is done here? I'd just hate for this to become circular (or mean?), yet again. Oh, please, everyone?
Often those whose statements don't fit with a particular view of events, are accused of not telling the truth. That's sad. I, for one, believe you. . . . . . others may not, but I hope they are at least courteous?
Thank you for posting.
Vic
I'm grateful that you shared this info with us.
I believe you and your friend. I guess some people have trouble seeing or accepting that Michael might have been 'murdered' by someone or multiple people. It probably hurts them, I can understand that. But for me it's the complete opposite I have to know what happened to Michael. I have to search for everything I can to find out what happened and work with other fans who are wanting to do the same thing, figure out what happened to Michael, and give him justice that he rightfully deserves. That's how I cope with Michael's napping.
Some people cope differently than others ya know? That's why I think people were being quite rude to you because they just didn't want to hear it, they didn't want to accept that this may have actually occured. I am not saying Michael was murdered by AEG alone, or at all by them, I'm just saying that this could be a possibility.
For some reason, though I am pretty thick skinned and do not care a bit about what people think or say about me, it hurts very much when someone in MJJC even insinuates that I'm lying or is rude to me in any way. This forum is like a little haven for me, and I want to think that we are all here because of love and we will follow Michael's example and be sweet and nice to each other.
However, I have seen some pretty brutal attacks being made on other posts, and i understand that our feelings are always going to be running high, and I also know that this is a sensitive subject for all of us, so i am trying not to take anything personally or seriously.
But saying that I am a stranger to this community is below the belt. I have spent more time in this forum (albeit reading and not commenting as much, since i am not one to talk if i have nothing worth adding to a discussion) than i have with my friends these past 6 months. And I have been loving MJ all my life. I am not a stranger, I am one of you.
However, I have seen some pretty brutal attacks being made on other posts, and i understand that our feelings are always going to be running high, and I also know that this is a sensitive subject for all of us, so i am trying not to take anything personally or seriously.
But saying that I am a stranger to this community is below the belt. I have spent more time in this forum (albeit reading and not commenting as much, since i am not one to talk if i have nothing worth adding to a discussion) than i have with my friends these past 6 months. And I have been loving MJ all my life. I am not a stranger, I am one of you.
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All this sounds quite alarming to me...although you are new to this forum...I have to say I believe you.....I already suspected that Otrega was lying anyway...I dont know who your friend spoke with at AEG..(.and I dont need a link or a name)...but if this information comes from within AEG then it is good enough for me.....Also "motive" is always the money...We have heard from the TINI folks a long time ago that Michael himself told them that he didn't sign on for 50 shows only 10....so what you are saying is not new news in that sense it only confirms what others who have spoken to Michael have stated and in my opinion if your friend says someone from inside AEG says these things then it is only further confirmation that Michael was Murdered and there are alot of people who swear they are telling the truth when they are really lying..as we already suspected...so I say thank you for your post.