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Wiiliam Wagener: mjjforeverinnocentfoundation.org Wants to produce MJ documentary. Needs our help!

Agree with all the above.

Also, I think there would need to be major involvement of people ( ie heavyweight media opinion-formers) who were NOT supportive of MJ at the time and who have changed their minds on the basis of the evidence presented...a fan-funded and family-supported documentary is just going to be ignored by the general public as being biased...regardless of the evidence shown.
 
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That sum of money is beyond ridiculous, but less so than Wagener's actually asking for all that money to be donated to produce this documentary.
 
StephluvsMJ said:
I must say that I feel weird about this campaign. He wants us to raise 20 million dollars to make a documentary thats purpose is to destroy one man's life. If we, as a community of Michael Jackson fans, were able to raise 20 million dollars what would we choose do with it? Would we use it to help put Sneddon in jail, or would we use it to help children's hospital and charities and make MILLIONS of lives better?
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knigofpop said:
he is asking for anything between $20 and $50 MILLION dollars to create this documentary... WOW! I'm sure I could make a whole movie for that much!
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Alma said:
That sum of money is beyond ridiculous, but less so than Wagener's actually asking for all that money to be donated to produce this documentary.
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Yes... 20 million is a huge amount of money. Wagener exaggerated a little... I'm sure he would not need all that money to produce a documentary. :unsure:
 
This sounds like a ridiculous amount of money. I'd be extremely careful.
 
I don't know how I feel about this, but the reason he is asking for so much, according to him, is to buy a primetime tv spot. The documentary itself is not going to be that expensive to make, it's the TV time that's expensive. However, with how much the media hates on MJ I'm not sure they will sell the time for any amount of money. That's what makes me skeptical about this whole thing. Even if the money is raised, I'm not sure he'll get the tv time. And w/o the tv time there's really no point as then only MJ fans will see it. The whole point of this is to redeem Michael's good name within the general public.

I think he's trustworthy, just not sure how practical this plan is.
 
How trustworth is it if fans pay for the documentary?
Everyone "knows" Michael´s fans are crazy, devoted and wants to do everything for him.
 
I remember his name from the trial days and thank the fans who have posted here supporting him. But I still feel asking the fans to raise such a huge amount of money is not necessary. There must be other ways to fund it. Fans have been doing so much on their own to vindicate Michael's name-websites, charities, word-of-mouth! However I totally support him and hope and pray that he is successful in his pursuit-after all, we all are pursuing the same thing-JUSTICE for Michael!
 
He's been reported to the Department of Justice.

This is his response to someone asking him to provide the IRS registration of his so called foundation:

book keeper has it, I dont carry numbers in my head. What difference does it make what it is?
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Very suspicious.

I personally think there is no documentary in the works... So it's anyone's guess who's gonna have access & control of all that money.

And is it a coincidence that his mouthpiece on twitter deleted their account after we threaten to contact DOJ?
 
I'd rather that hugest amount of money be spent on gifts for ill and poor children and people (in person), that would make Michael's soul flutter with joy, too. I love non-loud stuff like that. ...
 
MJFan07 said:
I don't know how I feel about this, but the reason he is asking for so much, according to him, is to buy a primetime tv spot. The documentary itself is not going to be that expensive to make, it's the TV time that's expensive. However, with how much the media hates on MJ I'm not sure they will sell the time for any amount of money. That's what makes me skeptical about this whole thing. Even if the money is raised, I'm not sure he'll get the tv time. And w/o the tv time there's really no point as then only MJ fans will see it. The whole point of this is to redeem Michael's good name within the general public.

I think he's trustworthy, just not sure how practical this plan is.
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Thanks for the information about needing money for prime time TV. I am interested in this project, I just need more information about how the money will be spent. Now does he indicate how much 1 hour in prime time is likely to cost. I assume he would do this over some days and on various networks?
 
I'm not questioning his intentions or sincerity. The problem is producing a documentary, and then getting a major TV network to carry it is an extremely difficult task, especially at a grassroot level. David Gest couldn't secure a deal for his one, and had to settle for a DVD release.

A DVD release is pointless for a documentary of the nature William Wagener is planning; it needs to be aired. Only fans will buy the DVD. Skeptics are not going to pay for evidence of Michael's innocence when they ignore what is freely available on the net. The whole effort might be in vain, unless he is able to secure a TV deal upfront.
 
^^Maybe those who have facebook could ask him whether he has any guarantees that the document will be available on prime time TV.
 
Petrarose said:
Thanks for the information about needing money for prime time TV. I am interested in this project, I just need more information about how the money will be spent. Now does he indicate how much 1 hour in prime time is likely to cost. I assume he would do this over some days and on various networks?
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I'm not sure how much it is per hour, but I do think he mentioned it somewhere, either on youtube (he has many youtube videos) or during an interview he did on blogtalk radio. The link for the interview is http://www.blogtalkradio.com/a-plac...am-wagener-sneddon-attempted-to-frame-michael. It's long, but interesting. It's from a few months back.
 
I am lost is this man saying he has evidence to proof michael innocent?
Why is it that all who have so called evidence we the fans have to pay for it?
Can't the information be given to some law officer?

This just me but I think all the truth is out in the open and if one want to find it they will, no amount of tv documentary it going to change people mind if they are not interested in the truth.
But I guess people have a right to do with there hard earn money what they please, if they want to buy little green man and hoping to get the pot of gold they can do that too.
 
that money amount is too high for a documentary to start with and I think also what does "put sneddon in his place" means has to be described.

In this thread I saw the mention of Sneddon in jail - that can only happen with a criminal investigation not a documentary. Plus if the offense is "malicious prosecution" the statute of limitations was 2 years - it long passed. I'm quite sure any civil complaint probably past statute of limitations as well and would require participation of MJ Estate and/or beneficiaries of MJ. Furthermore Sneddon has already retired from the DA position.

In short if you donate do not expect anything other than a very expensive documentary with probably no effect on Sneddon's current life.
 
some good posts here. I think its a good idea, but why cost it that much money? Thats wrong for me sorry i rather give it to charity and other foundations to help children or etc.. alot is online so if he want to make a docu pls do so but dont ask us for money..
if he has a show he has prop the right connections to make a docu so in my opinion he doesnt need our money..
Also the sentence that our money will bring justice is for me a little untruth because you dont know what the docu will do, maybe nothing maybe something. its not clear so another reason not to pay. A docu cant put sneddon where he belongs because thats in jail.. and for that u need court lapd etc..

So if you want to help put your money in good charitys i would say.
For the docu, pls make it, but dont ask for money from fans, especially not that amount *what on earth is he planning to do with all that money*
 
and something else sneddon retired someone said so what is the point? legaly we cant do anything ivy told us, thx! ivy,
and its now 6 years ago the verdict was not quilty so non fans dont care about sneddon, his face has been on tv then and was cut in lies so much videos on youtube about that subject.. also a docu about the media is great but its wel known that the media went absurb on the michael jackson case it was wel written over the world after the verdict how the media misbeheaved so thats also being done already. What is this docu then going to bring?? What youtube and newspapers didnt back then and now?

Its always good to do something but dont expect it will do anything let alone bring justice.... And no way with that amount of money.
Sneddon is gone from the da so he cant do much harm there anymore, we cant put him in jail, so pls pay for children instead of a docu who promise things that u cant promise
 
Wow! MJ fans are now seen by everyone exactly as MJ was....a BIG GIANT DOLLAR SIGN!!

Despite whatever good intentions Wagener has, his request is out of line IMO. Why didn't he do his documentary in the 4 years after the trial and prior to MJ's death? And why must it cost $20,000,000? And who is going to watch it anyway?
The main ones to watch such a documentary will be MJ fans, and they already know he's innocent and was railroaded.

Besides, MJ is about to be raked over the coals again with the Murray trial. He's going to be depicted as a crazed raging drug addict. Will Wagener do a $20,000,000 documentary to refute those claims, too?

People believe what they want to believe. An acquittal didn't get folks to see the light. A 10+ year FBI investigation didn't get folks to see light.

A $20,000,000 documentary will mostly do one thing. Lighten MJ fans' pockets.
 
gerryevans said:
Wow! MJ fans are now seen by everyone exactly as MJ was....a BIG GIANT DOLLAR SIGN!!

Despite whatever good intentions Wagener has, his request is out of line IMO. Why didn't he do his documentary in the 4 years after the trial and prior to MJ's death? And why must it cost $20,000,000? And who is going to watch it anyway?
The main ones to watch such a documentary will be MJ fans, and they already know he's innocent and was railroaded.

Besides, MJ is about to be raked over the coals again with the Murray trial. He's going to be depicted as a crazed raging drug addict. Will Wagener do a $20,000,000 documentary to refute those claims, too?

People believe what they want to believe. An acquittal didn't get folks to see the light. A 10+ year FBI investigation didn't get folks to see light.

A $20,000,000 documentary will mostly do one thing. Lighten MJ fans' pockets.
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That's right... Some gutsy request he's making, to be very very mild... And like Ivy said, surely a documentary, no matter how big-scale, could possibly cost this much, unless it's this incredible blockbuster, which a documentary like that will never be. Again, such a special would only be watched by fans who already know much of what's intended to be shown, the essence of what's intended. .. Picturing the poor regions of Africa, or the devastated regions in the world by earthquakes, floods, fires and the like also quickly alters the perspective and priorities. ...
 
Alma said:
Picturing the poor regions of Africa, or the devastated regions in the world by earthquakes, floods, fires and the like also quickly alters the perspective and priorities. ...
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Absolutely, puts things in perspective.

And when it comes to MJ, I love supporting viable causes related to him, be it in a charitable, entertainment, or service vein. If I was in a position, I'd pay this site's fees for the WHOLE year. It provides an invaluable service for me, all MJ fans, and his legacy. A "legitmate" MJ charity is also deserving of great support. But the mere sum Wagener is requesting makes the documentary more about supporting Wagener than any MJ content as far as I'm concerned.
 
Alma said:
And like Ivy said, surely a documentary, no matter how big-scale, could possibly cost this much, unless it's this incredible blockbuster, which a documentary like that will never be.
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Most of the money that he is asking for is for the cost of getting the documentary on primetime TV.
 
no amount of money would get such a documentry on mainstream t.v. ask mike tiabbi about that

am lost is this man saying he has evidence to proof michael innocent?
Why is it that all who have so called evidence we the fans have to pay for it?
Can't the information be given to some law officer?
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no hes not saying that
 
Just a thought -

This is a film that should be made NOT as a low budget $1 million dollar film, but as a serious, well produced, well written piece for mass consumption. I believe Wagener feels compelled to set the record straight, but he's NOT the man for the job. We need to get a much slicker, much better producer wanting to make this film. Everybody get out there and blog about the out and out lies the media has not come clean on! I read an old CNN article just today that stated McCauley Culkin wasn't called by the defense to testify in Jackson's trial, just ONE of a zillion examples that are demonstrably false that lead people to the wrong conclusions. Let the powers that be notice there is big $$$ involved in telling the truth!!!! That will get them motivated. The media needs to be exposed as much as the DA needs to be.

I read that Wagener was asking the fans for $1 million, I wouldn't consider investing in this film.
 
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^It's not a low budget $1 million film, he's asking for $50 million.
 
He really put his neck on the line speaking up for Michael, and it was not wise for anyone in Santa Barbara County to try to out Sneddon, and William was prepared to do it, I respect the man and believe in him, that said I will not be sending him any money, I believe if he is wanting to do it he can fund it. I wish him well with the project.
 
Yes his intentions are good, but like ivy said nothing will come of this documentary.
 
The best thing to do is to research some more, ask him more specific questions, and then make a decision.
 
ivy said:
that money amount is too high for a documentary to start with and I think also what does "put sneddon in his place" means has to be described.

In this thread I saw the mention of Sneddon in jail - that can only happen with a criminal investigation not a documentary. Plus if the offense is "malicious prosecution" the statute of limitations was 2 years - it long passed. I'm quite sure any civil complaint probably past statute of limitations as well and would require participation of MJ Estate and/or beneficiaries of MJ. Furthermore Sneddon has already retired from the DA position.

In short if you donate do not expect anything other than a very expensive documentary with probably no effect on Sneddon's current life.
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According to him the statute of limitations has not passed because fraud was involved. Don't know if that's true or not but he does state that normally it would be 2 year except for cases were fraud is involved.
 
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