Would Michael Have Supported Trump or Clinton?

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The title says it all.

Personally, I think he would have supported Trump (regardless of what his family thought of him). And I'm not saying that because he's my pick for President this year, but because based on all the violence that's been going on in our world today (i.e. Dallas, Orlando) and the fact that our country has seriously gone downhill with kids as young as 3 to 5 staring at phone screens 24/7 and looking up to such horrible role models (i.e. Bieber, Cyrus), he'd probably understand that Trump would in fact make America safe and great again.

But I wanna know who you think he would have picked.
 
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I strongly believe he would choose Clinton.
Just because they were friends doesn't mean Michael would have wanted him to be president (especially not with the things Trump has said and done).
Also Trump doesn't want to make "America great again" he wants to make America racist (even more so then it is right now) again. :/
His racism (and sexism) is too obvious to ignore, and it's disgusting. :/
 
Somehow I doubt Michael would be supporting a guy who's retweeting neo-nazi memes but that's just me. I'd love to know how you think Trump is going to stop kids from staring at their phones and listening to trashy music, lol.
 
I strongly believe he would choose Clinton.
Just because they were friends doesn't mean Michael would have wanted him to be president (especially not with the things Trump has said and done).
Also Trump doesn't want to make "America great again" he wants to make America racist (even more so then it is right now) again. :/
His racism (and sexism) is too obvious to ignore, and it's disgusting. :/

Interesting answer.
 
Somehow I doubt Michael would be supporting a guy who's retweeting neo-nazi memes but that's just me. I'd love to know how you think Trump is going to stop kids from staring at their phones and listening to trashy music, lol.

I just meant that in sort of a "melodramatic" way. I know Trump probably won't stop that from happening, but it definitely is a big problem in our world right now.
 
I just meant that in sort of a "melodramatic" way. I know Trump probably won't stop that from happening, but it definitely is a big problem in our world right now.

There are worse things. I don't know how old you are but I can guarantee you that your parents were also complaining about the 'trashy' music and bad rolemodels of their time (Elvis, Beatles, Madonna) and kids were wrapped up in the latest technology back then too. Societies are constantly evolving, there is no way to stop the time let alone go back in time to a mythical 'golden age'.

The United States is already one of the greatest and safest places in the world. It does not need Trump.
 
There are worse things. I don't know how old you are but I can guarantee you that your parents were also complaining about the 'trashy' music and bad rolemodels of their time (Elvis, Beatles, Madonna) and kids were wrapped up in the latest technology back then too. Societies are constantly evolving, there is no way to stop the time let alone go back in time to a mythical 'golden age'.

Who says I thought these were worse things? I was only stating that because I brought up how horrible the world is today. Yes, people complained about music and technology in the heyday, but it's absolutely nothing compared to this. We can't go back in time and recreate the Golden Age, no, but what we can do is try to fix the generation we're living in and make it safe and enjoyable for everyone, past and present.
 
Who says I thought these were worse things? I was only stating that because I brought up how horrible the world is today. Yes, people complained about music and technology in the heyday, but it's absolutely nothing compared to this. We can't go back in time and recreate the Golden Age, no, but what we can do is try to fix the generation we're living in and make it safe and enjoyable for everyone, past and present.

We can't recreate the Golden Age because there never was a Golden Age. All generations had their problems. The current generation is the most tolerant, the most accepting, the best educated, in history. It does not need to be 'fixed'.

It's interesting how you think Trump is going to make America safe and enjoyable for everyone again. Does that include Muslims? Latinos? Blacks? Gays? Women who are not "hot"? Tell me how Trump is going to make things better for them.
 
We can't recreate the Golden Age because there never was a Golden Age. All generations had their problems. The current generation is the most tolerant, the most accepting, the best educated, in history. It does not need to be 'fixed'.

It's interesting how you think Trump is going to make America safe and enjoyable for everyone again. Does that include Muslims? Latinos? Blacks? Gays? Women who are not "hot"? Tell me how Trump is going to make things better for them.

CAN YOU PLEASE JUST RESPECT MY OPINIONS?!!!

Look, if you wanna know the truth, I wasn't originally a Trump supporter. I was more in favor of Bernie Sanders, but he's clearly not gonna win and between Trump and Clinton, I am not in the right mind voting for that woman.
 
America safe and great again.
The USA has never been safe or great. Much of the native population was wiped out and the land was stolen and there's even holidays to celebrate it (Thanksgiving, Columbus Day). A lot of the western part of the US used to be part of Mexico. Mexico itself was taken over by Spain. That's why the language is Spanish, when that was not a language of any Native American tribes. Many today live on reservations in the states. The world itself is no more violent than its ever been, just the gadgets are different.
 
CAN YOU PLEASE JUST RESPECT MY OPINIONS?!!!

Look, if you wanna know the truth, I wasn't originally a Trump supporter. I was more in favor of Bernie Sanders, but he's clearly not gonna win and between Trump and Clinton, I am not in the right mind voting for that woman.

I respect your right to express your opinion. That doesn't mean I have respect for your opinion though. There's a difference.

I have no respect for Trump or what he stands for. None whatsoever. The man is a racist and I don't use that word easily. If you have no problem with that, even though you are supposedly a fan of the most famous American black man in history, that is your decision. Apparently there are a lot of people in the country who agree with you.
 
I respect your right to express your opinion. That doesn't mean I have respect for your opinion though. There's a difference.

I have no respect for Trump or what he stands for. None whatsoever. The man is a racist and I don't use that word easily. If you have no problem with that, even though you are supposedly a fan of the most famous American black man in history, that is your decision. Apparently there are a lot of people in the country who agree with you.

Well thank you though. And I'm sorry if I got a little rude, but seriously though, just because I like Michael Jackson and I'm open to those of different races, genders, sexual attractions, etc. doesn't mean I can't support Trump.
 
Well thank you though. And I'm sorry if I got a little rude, but seriously though, just because I like Michael Jackson and I'm open to those of different races, genders, sexual attractions, etc. doesn't mean I can't support Trump.

Yes, it does. You are not genuinely open to people of different races, genders and sexual orientations if you support a man who is actively encouraging discrimination against them. That should be an automatic disqualifier even if you agree with everything he says on trade, foreign policy or the economy.

(edit: looks like you edited your post, sorry).

I am curious to know what it is about Trump's policy positions (for as far as we know them) that is attractive to you, if it's not the discriminatory ones? In what specific ways do you think Trump is going to make the US better fot everyone?

This thread is perhaps better suited for the Politics section btw.
 
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Yes, it does. You are not genuinely open to people of different races, genders and sexual orientations if you support a man who is actively encouraging discrimination against them. That should be an automatic disqualifier even if you agree with everything he says on trade, foreign policy or the economy.

Look, I'm supporting two different candidates: Trump and Bernie (even though I know he's probably not gonna win). But this is the biggest reason I support Trump...
 
What I think is that people should vote for whoever they believe is the best for their interest without looking for any celebrity approval and without projecting their own views on those who have never expressed any particular interest in politics or the presidential election before.

EBONY: What do you think about the presidential race? Hillary, Barack?

MICHAEL: To tell you the truth, I don't follow that stuff. We were raised to not look to man to fix the problems of the world. They can't do it. That's how I see it. It's beyond us. Look, we don't have control over the grounds, they can shake. We don't have control over the seas, they can have tsunamis. We don't have control over the skies, there are storms. We're all in God's hands. I think that man has to take that into consideration. I just wish they would do more for the babies and children, help them more. That would be great, wouldn't it?
 
Look, I'm supporting two different candidates: Trump and Bernie (even though I know he's probably not gonna win). But this is the biggest reason I support Trump...

That's interesting because that was one of the things that made me shudder. You do realise why Trump wants to "open up the libel laws" right? It was a direct response to critical articles about him in the NYT and other reputable newspapers. He wants to silence these newspapers by bankrupting them in court. He's not talking about trashy tabloids here, he specifically called out the NYT. I have read the "hit pieces" he's talking about and they're far from it. The result of this will be that newspapers, especially independent newspapers who are already struggling financially, won't dare to write negative articles about him even if they're 100% factual because they are afraid of getting sued. A lawsuit could bankrupt them even if they win. An open and free media is the safeguard of democracy. If you think the media is biased now, just wait until Trump gets his way.

Btw, I don't think this is a decision Trump can make by himself as an executive order as it requires changes to the Consitution. There is no way that a majority of Democrats or Republicans would vote in favour of this so it's not a good reason to vote for Trump anyway.
 
That's interesting because that was one of the things that made me shudder. You do realise why Trump wants to "open up the libel laws" right? It was a direct response to critical articles about him in the NYT and other reputable newspapers. He wants to silence these newspapers by bankrupting them in court. He's not talking about trashy tabloids here, he specifically called out the NYT. I have read the "hit pieces" he's talking about and they're far from it. The result of this will be that newspapers, especially independent newspapers who are already struggling financially, won't dare to write negative articles about him even if they're 100% factual because they are afraid of getting sued. A lawsuit could bankrupt them even if they win. An open and free media is the safeguard of democracy. If you think the media is biased now, just wait until Trump gets his way.

Btw, I don't think this is a decision Trump can make by himself as an executive order as it requires changes to the Consitution. There is no way that a majority of Democrats or Republicans would vote in favour of this so it's not a good reason to vote for Trump anyway.

Really? I'll have to research this all again and think it through.
 
That's interesting because that was one of the things that made me shudder. You do realise why Trump wants to "open up the libel laws" right? It was a direct response to critical articles about him in the NYT and other reputable newspapers. He wants to silence these newspapers by bankrupting them in court. He's not talking about trashy tabloids here, he specifically called out the NYT. I have read the "hit pieces" he's talking about and they're far from it. The result of this will be that newspapers, especially independent newspapers who are already struggling financially, won't dare to write negative articles about him even if they're 100% factual because they are afraid of getting sued. A lawsuit could bankrupt them even if they win. An open and free media is the safeguard of democracy. If you think the media is biased now, just wait until Trump gets his way.
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Interesting-I clicked thank you without watching the vid beause I just assumed he was talking about the tabloid press. Shows where my mind is now.

I don't think any of us would ever know who Michael would support for president, because he always stayed away from politics-even though he was friendly with most of the presidents during his lifetime and assisted in their charities and vice versa. I know Michael was quite impressed with Trump as a successful businessman and he was always intrigued with that-and Trump did a great thing by flying him immediately out to Ryan White's house when he passed, but I think everything that Trump stands for is the exact opposite of what Michael stands for.

Michael has always been about peace, love, TOLERANCE, acceptance, anti-gun, anti-war. I think if he supported anyone, it would be Bernie. Second choice would be Hillary.
 
Hillary had similar views than Trump regarding the deportation of illegal immigrants in 2006 and nowdays "conveniently" changed it to mention an example, she's rather a moderate conservative than a liberal. I don't know who Michael would have supported but Bernie is a populist, socialist who wants to instill politics to help the people.
 
We can't recreate the Golden Age because there never was a Golden Age. All generations had their problems. The current generation is the most tolerant, the most accepting, the best educated, in history. It does not need to be 'fixed'.

It's interesting how you think Trump is going to make America safe and enjoyable for everyone again. Does that include Muslims? Latinos? Blacks? Gays? Women who are not "hot"? Tell me how Trump is going to make things better for them.

Exactly. Despite all this stuff we see in the news about police brutality and murders and all that, while serious issues we're actually in one of the safest times in history. Gun violence has dropped dramatically since the 1990s for example, halved even I believe.

Older people especially talk about today's musical role models as "trashy" but go back to the 1950s and you see the older people saying the same about Elvis. 60s with The Beatles. 70s with Led Zeppelin. 80s with Madonna etc etc. Late 90s/early 2000s with Eminem. It's a never ending cycle really.

While I can't speak on behalf of Michael (obviously), it's not hard to come to the conclusion that he wouldn't vote for Trump given Trump's bigoted opinions on those of other races/religions.
 
What I think is that people should vote for whoever they believe is the best for their interest without looking for any celebrity approval and without projecting their own views on those who have never expressed any particular interest in politics or the presidential election before.

Ditto! As fans, we don't need validation from celebrities on how to live our lives. Besides, he's "pick" would have been as good as anyone else's.
 
The title says it all.

Personally, I think he would have supported Trump (regardless of what his family thought of him). And I'm not saying that because he's my pick for President this year, but because based on all the violence that's been going on in our world today (i.e. Dallas, Orlando) and the fact that our country has seriously gone downhill with kids as young as 3 to 5 staring at phone screens 24/7 and listening to tons of trashy music and looking up to such horrible role models (i.e. Bieber, Cyrus), he'd probably understand that Trump would in fact make America safe and great again.

But I wanna know who you think he would have picked.

What I think is that people should vote for whoever they believe is the best for their interest without looking for any celebrity approval and without projecting their own views on those who have never expressed any particular interest in politics or the presidential election before.

This.

As for MJ's friendship with Trump. He was also friends with the Clintons so you cannot conclude anything based on that.

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BTW, the other Jacksons already declared their support for Hilary.






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Picture with Hillary Clinton taken in 2006. I am a long term big supporter of hers. #Hillary2016

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We'll never know, but I'll say his views might have aligned with those of Bernie Sanders'.

Why? Because Sanders knows and has pointed out that the current economic and political system exploits everyday Americans on an unparalleled, if not criminal, level.

Sanders, in stark contrast, is the only candidate who had the guts and the integrity not to be complicit in this system, in terms of being bought by special interests, unlike Clinton and Trump who BOTH are establishment figures.

Michael traveled the world many times over since childhood and saw with his own eyes that in Europe, South America and other places citizens had a constitutional RIGHT to health care, that young people were encouraged to get a higher education by making it virtually free. He might have paused and wondered why the U.S. asked its citizens to get into debt they will never be able to get out.

I can imagine that Michael was intelligent enough to differentiate between being buddies with someone and liking them and voting with a political and social conscience when it comes to the future of the United States and its people.
 
I wish people stopped projecting their own political opinions onto Michael.
 
What I think is that people should vote for whoever they believe is the best for their interest without looking for any celebrity approval and without projecting their own views on those who have never expressed any particular interest in politics or the presidential election before.



EBONY: What do you think about the presidential race? Hillary, Barack?

MICHAEL: To tell you the truth, I don't follow that stuff. We were raised to not look to man to fix the problems of the world. They can't do it. That's how I see it. It's beyond us. Look, we don't have control over the grounds, they can shake. We don't have control over the seas, they can have tsunamis. We don't have control over the skies, there are storms. We're all in God's hands. I think that man has to take that into consideration. I just wish they would do more for the babies and children, help them more. That would be great, wouldn't it?

That's the JW in him. They are not supposed to take political sides or vote...

That said, he probably would have agreed more with Clinton's agenda. Just my gut feel.
 
He would not say much but would support Hillary 100% no doubt... Michael has shown support for the Clintons throughout the year and there is no way that Michael would support someone like Trump and how he publically portrays himself.. It was not an act for Michael to be against guns, violence, racism...

If anyone thinks Michael would think highly of someone that would talk down to women, have a idiotic view of how the world works is trippin'...

That doesn't mean Mike would not do business with him though!! and even then i'd believe he'd wait until Trump is out of public eye talking his mouth off...
 
I think it's irresponsible stating opinions on Michael's behalf when we don't for certain what he'd think on this matter himself. I didn't attach my opinion on him, I just stated why Bernie is a better choice IMO because Hillary is a liar, racist warmonger who has no respect over human lives. She's no better than Donald Trump and if I were a citizen of the United States, I'd have given my vote to Bernie Sanders who has been more consistent in his views and proposals to help the people than Clinton.

I agree specially with the first half mentioned.

 
Hillary had similar views than Trump regarding the deportation of illegal immigrants in 2006 and nowdays "conveniently" changed it to mention an example, she's rather a moderate conservative than a liberal. I don't know who Michael would have supported but Bernie is a populist, socialist who wants to instill politics to help the people.

Or perhaps she changed her mind when presented with new facts a decade later as rational people do? Have your opinions not evolved in any way for the past 10 years? And I don't believe for a second that Hilary Clinton ever advocated the forced deportation of 12 million people. I'd love to see some evidence of that - preferably something that's not plucked from a rabid right-wing conspiracy website.

Plus, Bernie is not a socialist even if he chooses to call himself that. The Scandinavian countries he so admires are not socialist either.

That's the JW in him. They are not supposed to take political sides or vote...

That said, he probably would have agreed more with Clinton's agenda. Just my gut feel.

I think it's more the Motown PR training of "don't discuss politics or religion in public". Michael never shied away from sharing his political views in his music though. Which is why I find it hard to believe that the man who wrote Earth Song would agree with Trump that climate change is a hoax invented by the Chinese -_-

I think it's irresponsible stating opinions on Michael's behalf when we don't for certain what he'd think on this matter himself. I didn't attach my opinion on him, I just stated why Bernie is a better choice IMO because Hillary is a liar, racist warmonger who has no respect over human lives. She's no better than Donald Trump and if I were a citizen of the United States, I'd have given my vote to Bernie Sanders who has been more consistent in his views and proposals to help the people than Clinton.

I agree specially with the first half mentioned.


I find it interesting how Michael Jackson fans of all people engage in this witch hunt against the Clintons. Hilary is a racist - really? She has no respect for human lives? She is just as bad as Trump who calls Mexicans rapists and drug dealers, who has a long history of objectifying women, who retweets bogus statistics of "black crime" from a neo-nazi account, who is endorsed by the KKK and white nationalists, who admires brutal dictators like Putin, Sadam Hussein and Kim Jung-il, who thinks it's a great idea for Saudi Arabia to get nuclear weapons, who would reverse gay marriage and restrict abortion rights for women, who believes climate change is a hoax? To pretend like Clinton is "no better" than Trump is just nonsense from a progressive point of view.

I have no doubt in my mind that Hilary Clinton believes that her proposals help the United States move forward in the best way. Even if I don't agree with all her policy positions (particularly on foreign policy), I see no need to ascribe all kinds of sinister motives to her. We should all be careful not to get dragged along in the witch hunt against her that has been waged for two decades now. After Michael, the Clintons are probably the most scrutinised people in America. And Michael sympathised with them (see his comments in the Schmuley book). You can disagree with her on substance but to say she is insincere or racist or uncaring is going too far, imo. I miss the days when politicians could engage with each other in a civil manner and actually get things done on a bipartisan basis. Nowadays everyone is swept up in toxic populism. But I digress -_-
 
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