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Would Michael Have Supported Trump or Clinton?

SnowWhite - How can you say it's irresponsible to voice who we think MJ would have supported in a thread asking who we THINK he would support while it's perfectly fine for you make a post with a political agenda?

Not saying I'm angry about it but isn't that unfair to those who answered the question that the thread was made for?
 
^It's irresponsible to attach your political views and opinions when you don't know in reality what were his thoughts, unless any of you spoke to him about it and I'm not aware.

One of my issues with Clinton is that she changes her mind and views given her convenience, Bernie at least has been consistent throughout his political career. You saw in the clip I posted her views regarding gay marriage and then when human rights sponsored her, she now supports it.

 
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LindavG said:
Or perhaps she changed her mind when presented with new facts a decade later as rational people do? Have your opinions not evolved in any way for the past 10 years? And I don't believe for a second that Hilary Clinton ever advocated the forced deportation of 12 million people. I'd love to see some evidence of that - preferably something that's not plucked from a rabid right-wing conspiracy website.

Plus, Bernie is not a socialist even if he chooses to call himself that. The Scandinavian countries he so admires are not socialist either.
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I personally prefer Bernie and his politics and views, but I, too, don't understand why so many people condemn Hillary as this lying, evil devil, or either of the Clintons for that matter.
I 100% agree that people can and should change their minds on issues, once they become better educated on the facts or by their experiences. I don't get why so many politicians get accused of "flip-flopping", when that's not true-everyone is entitled to grow and change. My biggest disappointment with the Bush administration was when we invaded Iraq based on the intelligence, and I honestly think that when they didn't find any, Bush should have come to the people and say "we made a mistake" and pull out right then and there. That would not have made him less of a man.

I, personally, have done a 180 on the subject of gay marriage. I believed totally in "civil unions" but I didn't like the idea of gay marriage. The words "marriage" meant a religious thing to me-and I'm definitely not religious. But one night I was watching TMZ (of all things) and that group was arguing about gay marriage and compared it to the laws when black and white people could not marry-and it was like a rock hit me in the head.
It was the same-and marriage didn't have to mean a religious ceremony-heck, you can get married at the justice of the peace, you can get married at a drive-in in Las Vegas. I couldn't believe how stupid I was.
So I became adamantly FOR gay marriage and I celebrated when we finally let it happen.

I think Hillary is a very smart, very experienced politician that honestly means well and I voted for her against Obama in the primary eight years ago-I'll definitely be voting for her again.
 
Snow White- but what we do know is that he was there for the Clintons for Bills inauguration, the Clintons have spent time with him and Michaels children, Michael supported the democratic fun raiser put together by the Clintons in 2002..

The fact he has supported the Clinton in the past in instances from 1993-2002.. that is plenty to have an educated guess/prediction on who he MAY support.

Not irresponsible in anyway.. Irresponsible to me is propaganda statements and videos posted on an MJ thread that could influence how people vote while this thread has nothing to do about our personal attachments to politics.

Honestly creating a thread for those type of things (to me) is more appropriate that way people can chose to partake in propaganda or not... Even I would peak into the thread.. by choice!
 
Snow White luvs Peter Pan said:
^It's irresponsible to attach your political views and opinions when you don't know in reality what were his thoughts, unless any of you spoke to him about it and I'm not aware.

One of my issues with Clinton is that she changes her mind and views given her convenience, Bernie at least has been consistent throughout his political career. You saw in the clip I posted her views regarding gay marriage and then when human rights sponsored her, she now supports it.
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What is so honourable about never changing your views no matter what? I don't understand that. You assume that Hilary only changed her mind about gay marriage out of convenience; why can't she be like millions of other Americans and simply evolved on the issue over time?

Changing Attitudes on Gay Marriage

And don't you see how the first sentence of your post directly contradicts the second? If you think it's irresponsible to project your political opinions onto Michael because we don't know what was in his mind, why can't you extend the same courtesy to Hilary? If she tells you that her position on gay marriage evolved because she was persuaded by the arguments in favour of it, who are you to say she's lying and it's actually because she was sponsored by human rights (whatever that means)? Where's your evidence for that?

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In the second clip I posted Anderson Cooper inquires her at the beginning some of the views she has changed, not only gay marriage asking her next "would you say anything to be elected?" Hillary replied she has been consistent through out her life and the compilation shows otherwise. There's noothing wrong to changed your mind based education but she claimed to be consistent in her views which isn't true.
 
OMG every polition in my view is "corrupt", IDK why we sit here and act Surprised when a Politian flip flops .. seriously come on we’ve had things like Watergateand we are arguing over if it’s ok if someone changes there mind over gayrights? Picking on Hillary being consistentor not is so petty in comparison to the big picture here.. If you asked me what I believed in manythings 4 year ago to now I am sure I’ve changed.. Go and dig up old posts from MJJC where Istated I was a Christian, well I don’t really call myself that anymore… so, I flip flopped.. maybe shouldn’t be president for thatreason..

And NO Michael I don’t care what anyone says would never beso stupid to at the vary least publically show support for Trump… IF he didsupport trump, he’d simply say “he does not fallow politics”.. BUT he would show up to Clinton events in “notsupport”
 
Snow White luvs Peter Pan said:
In the second clip I posted Anderson Cooper inquires her at the beginning some of the views she has changed, not only gay marriage asking her next "would you say anything to be elected?" Hillary replied she has been consistent through out her life and the compilation shows otherwise. There's noothing wrong to changed your mind based education but she claimed to be consistent in her views which isn't true.
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Maybe she means consistent in terms of her principles and priorities and things like that? That would make sense to me. For example, a decade ago she might have felt that civil unions for gay couples was a progressive and compassionate stance (as the majority of Democrats believed at the time, see source in my previous post) but now that the LGBT community has become more vocal about why gay marriage is important to them, she might have expanded her understanding of being pro-LGBT to include gay marriage. It doesn't mean she threw her previous views overboard, she just applied the same principle of tolerance and equality to a broader scope.

I will ask you again: do you still hold all the same views as you did 10 years ago? If not, would it be fair to call you a liar or an opportunist?

Besides, I don't need to tell you how these Youtube videos with quotes taken out of context can be extremely misleading. One could easily make a video of Michael ("what's wrong with sharing your bed?") that is equally damaging.

Edit: I just watched that video for the first time and Hillary literally says "I have always fought for the same values and principles". So it looks like I wasn't too far off. There are some things she genuinely flip-flopped on though, one of them is the TPP. I guess we have Bernie to blame (or thank, depending on your position) for that. Apparently economic nationalism (i.e. protectionism) is the "progressive" position nowadays.
 
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OMG every polition in my view is "corrupt", IDK why we sit here and act Surprised when a Politian flip flops .. seriously come on we’ve had things like Watergateand we are arguing over if it’s ok if someone changes there mind over gayrights? Picking on Hillary being consistentor not is so petty in comparison to the big picture here.. If you asked me what I believed in manythings 4 year ago to now I am sure I’ve changed.. Go and dig up old posts from MJJC where Istated I was a Christian, well I don’t really call myself that anymore… so, I flip flopped.. maybe shouldn’t be president for thatreason..
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I'm sure there are plenty of Americans who agree with that :D
 
I can't imagine him vocally supporting Trump. They might've been "friends", but I just suppose he was friendly towards everyone unless that person was hurting him. Trump is pretty much anti-everything Michael stood for.
 
The author of "The New Jim Crow" expresses very eloquently why the Clintons are very problematic "public servants". She starts talking about them around minute 5:00 but the whole interview is worth watching:

 
This was discussed already in another thread a few months ago. Mike wasn't that invested in politics or any party in general and Trump certainly wasn't his friend.

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