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Re: Quincy Jones reflects on Thriller (Billboard Magazine)

denisrs said:
It would be honest and fair if Michael Jackson would learn about Quincy Jones' comments *before* supposed collaboration (Carlos Santana said about it recently).

May someone please forward Jones' reflections to Ms.Bain?

Since Jackson always positively commented on Quincy -- including times after 2005 -- this means he most probably does *not* know true nature of "father-like" relationship of Jones to Michael; please make him know.
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Why? You don't think that MJ and QJ already know how they feel about one another? And in that op piece that Q wrote, he said a lot, implied a lot, but never said anything directly derogatory about MJ. Obviously that's left up to the reader's interpretation of it.

If MJ wants to work with Q, I'm sure that if the air needs to be cleared, then they will do it. Q doesn't strike me as a shy kind of guy about his feelings.
 
Re: MJ and Quincy - Your Views

Thank you mello1 for the comment and you guys for your responses.

My take - the way I see things, if your friend is there for you when your image is "good" and no one is out to ruin you, that is great. Yet, when your image is "bad", everyone, it seems, is out to ruin you and your friend wants nothing to do with you, then, that sucks. Q was the latter. Whenever he would talk about working with MJ, he has so much love for the man. It shocked me when I read that blog and some of his comments during the trial when MJ was suffering over some ***** ass lie.

I had a discussion with a friend of mine's last year and she told me something that I completely forgot. Q's daughter, Kidada, was one of Michael's good friends and she did not "defend" him like Mac (if you want to call what he did for MJ "defense" [that might be a topic]), Wade, Brett, his family have. I remember seeing pictures of Q, Mike, and Kidada in Vibe and Q talking about his daughter's friendship with MJ in his book. Yet, when this crazy media was saying those things about MJ and him befriending boys, Kidada could have came forward and said, "Mike also hang out with me and I am a female". You get what I am saying? So, it seems as though Q and his daughter, during the trial, really wanted nothing to do with Michael. I mean, that is how I saw it.

When I read the great things thatQ said about MJ, I remember one thing he said about MJ that touched me. He said that MJ is like his own son. (He said that in his book) If Q felt that MJ was his son, then why wasn't he "supporting" Michael when it seems his whole world was crashing down? Joe was always there and as we now know Frank Dielo was by MJ's side at times during the trial. So, when I read that MJ and Q might be working together, it was bittersweet because it was like old times again but the disloyality that Q has shown when MJ was suffering really bothers me and I was so against MJ working with Q. When I was reading theEbony article, I wanted to skip the comments that Q said about MJ. I still do that.

However, call me silly, but I add Q on myspace because the man is a musical genius.
 
Re: Quincy Jones reflects on Thriller (Billboard Magazine)

mjfan4ever2009 said:
Quincy really bothers me. While I will always cherish the fact that he helped Michael make thriller what it became, Quincy's attitude toward Michael tends to flucuate with the media climate. And I'm sure that he will rip Michael apart again if the media situation dictates. I don't care one way or the other. But Quincy needs to make up his mind where he stands when it comes to Michael. Either he is for Michael or against him. Because this going back and forth is making Quincy look silly to me. If he really has a beef with Michael, he needs to deal with it in private regardless instead of airing it out like that. It's nobody's business but his and Michael's anyway. Quincy's brilliant history with Michael doesn't count for anything the way he's trashing him at one point and praising him the next IMO. It makes it look cheap and fair-weatherish. Out of everybody who was around Michael, the one who was my favorite was Quincy. And I'm very disappointed that he would resort to the same "I'll jab at Michael Jackson and get mad hater pats on the back" attitude as the rest of them. And then he wants to act sweet as sugar when the media isn't aggressively tearing Michael up for a change. I actually found myself yesterday wanting it to be true that he and Michael were going to work together again. Now I'm sorry to say I hope it's not although Michael can do whatever he wants for the album with my full support. But my personal feeling is that Michael doesn't need anybody around him anymore smiling in his face and talking smack at his back.
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That's y I don't really ever put much stock into what Q says because he has his own issues. Anyone who has a breakdown because of the success of the Thriller LP says a lot to me about his own fragility...
 
Re: Quincy Jones reflects on Thriller (Billboard Magazine)

Thanks for the article, TSColdMan. Great read.

Wow. I made a Q thread on here. Denis, you posted that blog that I was referring to on the thread I made. Most of these comments belong on the thread that I made. LOL.

Anyway, if mello1 merged threads, I would not mind.
 
Re: Quincy Jones reflects on Thriller (Billboard Magazine)

What makes me mad is, you watch interviews with Michael from 83, 84, into the late 80s, and whenever he was asked who his friends were, one of the first people he mentiond, always, was Quincy. Michael looked up to him as a father figure, he did. Then when times get rough, Quincy acts like he doesn't know Michael personally anymore. Talk about a cowards move. And Michael's had the class to never speak one bad word about him in public, ever. He's only ever praised him. I'll listen to Quincy if he's talking about Michael artistically, but personally, he can keep his trap shut. He's a fair weathered friend and he's a control freak. He couldn't work with Michael again for that reason, I feel. He'd want to be back running the show. But Michael's matured and grown in to his own in terms of running HIS projects, so Quincy wouldn't have that oppertunity and it would bug him too much to make it work. Quincy's only ever been intrested in Michael when he thinks he can ride him to further success or it can positively promote himself, in my view.

Pepina's post about him and his comments in that ridiculous article were on point.

Michael doesn't need him. He never did.
 
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Re: Quincy Jones reflects on Thriller (Billboard Magazine)

If that's how Quincy feels about Michael now, I don't think they should work together. However, I don't want to deny him the right to feel the way he obviously does. I don't know why he feels that way and, frankly, it's none of my business. I can only say that even the closest of relationships deteriorate sometimes and most often both parties have some blaim. Just because Quincy and Michael were once close, they are not obligated to remain that way. I think most of us have ended friendships or romantic relationships in our lives, sometimes with hard feelings. It's a part of life.
 
Re: Quincy Jones reflects on Thriller (Billboard Magazine)

Let me just add that we should be a bit respectful to Quincy. Let's not bash him but rather, tell the truth about him.

Also, MJ tends to take the higher road when people bash him. I mean, I think, thatis the only way he deals with the constant backstabbing.

I agree with Cinnamon regarding the credit - I have noticed as well, when I readthe article that Q gave props to his peeps, but not Mickey. Mike was the real reason why Thriller did amazing. Dang, Q, bitter but reminising.
 
Re: MJ and Quincy - Your Views

Bee1983 said:
Thank you mello1 for the comment and you guys for your responses.

My take - the way I see things, if your friend is there for you when your image is "good" and no one is out to ruin you, that is great. Yet, when your image is "bad", everyone, it seems, is out to ruin you and your friend wants nothing to do with you, then, that sucks. Q was the latter. Whenever he would talk about working with MJ, he has so much love for the man. It shocked me when I read that blog and some of his comments during the trial when MJ was suffering over some ***** ass lie.

I had a discussion with a friend of mine's last year and she told me something that I completely forgot. Q's daughter, Kidada, was one of Michael's good friends and she did not "defend" him like Mac (if you want to call what he did for MJ "defense" [that might be a topic]), Wade, Brett, his family have. I remember seeing pictures of Q, Mike, and Kidada in Vibe and Q talking about his daughter's friendship with MJ in his book. Yet, when this crazy media was saying those things about MJ and him befriending boys, Kidada could have came forward and said, "Mike also hang out with me and I am a female". You get what I am saying? So, it seems as though Q and his daughter, during the trial, really wanted nothing to do with Michael. I mean, that is how I saw it.

When I read the great things thatQ said about MJ, I remember one thing he said about MJ that touched me. He said that MJ is like his own son. (He said that in his book) If Q felt that MJ was his son, then why wasn't he "supporting" Michael when it seems his whole world was crashing down? Joe was always there and as we now know Frank Dielo was by MJ's side at times during the trial. So, when I read that MJ and Q might be working together, it was bittersweet because it was like old times again but the disloyality that Q has shown when MJ was suffering really bothers me and I was so against MJ working with Q. When I was reading theEbony article, I wanted to skip the comments that Q said about MJ. I still do that.

However, call me silly, but I add Q on myspace because the man is a musical genius.
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i totally understand where you are coming from. if someone calls themselves my friend, but aren't there for me, when the chips are wayy down, and i haven't been proven to do anything wrong...they are not my friend. and i am not theirs if i do the same to them.

so...as i have said before...one thing that does NEVER lie, is music. it reflects what's in your soul. and, a lot of times, when i hear music on the radio, with a sincere sounding lyric, but the music is weak, then, in my estimation, the artist is lying, lyrically.

so, i wonder if MJ will use what quincy contributed, when it comes to this new project. don't be surprised if he pulls a teddy riley, and decides not to use the finished product. but i could be wrong. but i sure am wondering.

i mean...MJ could be desperately wanting to include the quincy work, and he may express genuine love for quincy, after quincy may have said something to convince MJ, things are copasetic.

but...in the end..as MJ has always said....he does what the music tells him to do. including, grab his crotch area. so.....since the music rules MJ...if it does a courtroom move and says..'MJ, you are overruled'...i can't express fully if u work with quincy...well....i'll understand...
 
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Re: MJ and Quincy - Your Views

It was Michael's goal to always have every cut on an album be excellent, that was his idea. He doesn't put filler on albums, every track he does is usually high quality. Just cause it ain't hit material doesn't mean its a bad song. I think Michael should produce he's own album.

With that said, I don't like Quincy personally, I think he's a dick and a fair weathered friend, but if Michael want's to work with him, that's great. He's a great producer. But the problem may be in Quincy's want to control and Michael's want to control. Quincy might come in their acting like he's in charge, cause that's what he's used to. But Michael's grown and he now controls his projects, so he wouldn't allow that to happen, and from there on, the whole thing may just collapse.
 
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wannabestartinsomthin21 said:
It was Michael's goal to always have every cut on an album be excellent, that was his idea. He doesn't put filler on albums, every track he does is usually high quality. Just cause it ain't hit material doesn't mean its a bad song. I think Michael should produce he's own album.

With that said, I don't like Quincy personally, I think he's a dick and a fair weathered friend, but if Michael want's to work with him, that's great. He's a great producer. But the problem may be in Quincy's want to control and Michael's want to control. Quincy might come in their acting like he's in charge, cause that's what he's used to. But Michael's grown and he now controls his projects, so he wouldn't allow that to happen, and from there on, the whole thing may just collapse.
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OMG :lol: i thought we werent allowed to swear on here :lol: thats cool tho now i can swear all i want :D
 
Re: MJ and Quincy - Your Views

wannabestartinsomthin21 said:
It was Michael's goal to always have every cut on an album be excellent, that was his idea. He doesn't put filler on albums, every track he does is usually high quality. Just cause it ain't hit material doesn't mean its a bad song. I think Michael should produce he's own album.

With that said, I don't like Quincy personally, I think he's a dick and a fair weathered friend, but if Michael want's to work with him, that's great. He's a great producer. But the problem may be in Quincy's want to control and Michael's want to control. Quincy might come in their acting like he's in charge, cause that's what he's used to. But Michael's grown and he now controls his projects, so he wouldn't allow that to happen, and from there on, the whole thing may just collapse.
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My sentiments exactly. Q has issues, let's just be real about it. And he has said a LOT of shyt about non-MJ matters that has pissed me off to no end.

But he is good at what he does. I can't imagine MJ working with Q if he was so bothered by his mood swings (Q is a male Pisces, and let me tell ya, they are much more moody than the female Pisces -- I should know. I'm a Pisces!:p). I think that they both would set aside personal issues to work together because both are keenly aware of each other's gifts and talents.

And who knows? Maybe they have kissed and made up.

Or maybe Santana is bs'ing us...
 
Re: MJ and Quincy - Your Views

I don't think michael and quincy should reunite. Its probably bad for michael's career to repeat himself, plus its pretty clear he can manage fine with will.i.am etc from the sounds of thriller 25's new remixes =]
 
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I think it's awsome.. Some fans keep saying.. Quincy and MJ are the past.. "stop living in the past" etc.. But it's not about that.. First of all if we'de truley understand the brilliance of Jazz artists/producers we'de want Michael to work with one.. second Quincy Jones is the last of the 'great Jazz men'.

Jazz producers are not like other producers.. People hear three layers of music at a time.. Jazz artists have been TRAINED to hear, sepperate, and work with 4 layers of music or more at a time.. The trainning of the ears are increadable. It was from Quincy that MJ got the ideas of many subliminal instramentals which make SUCH a big difference on a song.. Quincy is the MAN when it comes to production.

PLUS, you know what good publicity that would be?? the TALK of MJ and Quincy working together on it's own would get sales and talk UP.. It would create even MORE INTEREST
 
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Re: Quincy Jones reflects on Thriller (Billboard Magazine)

hmmm!! Sounds like a seperation in his quotes from MJ.. no more 'Michael' or 'smelly'
 
Re: Quincy Jones reflects on Thriller (Billboard Magazine)

Bee, I did merge the two threads...
 
i think deep down in quincy jones' mind and heart...he's like berry gordy. he didn't think MJ could survive past him. but MJ did.
 
vncwilliam said:
i think deep down in quincy jones' mind and heart...he's like berry gordy. he didn't think MJ could survive past him. but MJ did.
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I would like to believe that, but Berry Gordy didn't turn his back on Michael he supported him all the way through thick and thin and is still by his side.
 
~*Sweets*~ said:
I would like to believe that, but Berry Gordy didn't turn his back on Michael he supported him all the way through thick and thin and is still by his side.
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and also...jones' implication that MJ forgot about his faith or spiritual centeredness is amazing. it's amazing that some people who claim to be spiritual are the most critical and judgementally incorrect people, when it comes to other peoples' spirituality. i'm not saying all of them are that way..but those who are, tend to have that in common.(i'm also thinking of Martin Bashir) Mj talks about God all the time..and no one is more humble than MJ.
 
I think if Quincy has said he doesn't know Michael anymore, it's up to Michael. How could someone know someone if they haven't been in touch that much? So Michael should contact Quincy and Quincy would notice that Michael is still Michael. Everyone has their bad moments, so has Michael. But it doesn't mean he is that much different.
 
vncwilliam said:
and also...jones' implication that MJ forgot about his faith or spiritual centeredness is amazing. it's amazing that some people who claim to be spiritual are the most critical and judgementally incorrect people, when it comes to other peoples' spirituality. i'm not saying all of them are that way..but those who are, tend to have that in common.(i'm also thinking of Martin Bashir) Mj talks about God all the time..and no one is more humble than MJ.
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That's true. Michael never rubs his accomplishments in anyone's face, he never publically dissess anybody, he always give credit to everyone else while never talking about his own talent, etc... Quincy has the ego problem, if you ask me. He's pissed that all anyone knows or asks him for is "Thriller" these days.
 
wannabestartinsomthin21 said:
That's true. Michael never rubs his accomplishments in anyone's face, he never publically dissess anybody, he always give credit to everyone else while never talking about his own talent, etc... Quincy has the ego problem, if you ask me. He's pissed that all anyone knows or asks him for is "Thriller" these days.
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there you go. indeed....that's the for real, right there. and from there comes jones' envy. all jones' other accomplishments would never be talked about more than any other jazz producer, if it weren't for thriller. he'd be just another critically acclaimed producer. only now is he called the producer of the century. and it all centers around MJ.

it is true that quincy jones is a truly legendary producer...but what comes out of your mouth is just as important as what comes from your talent. you can only diminish yourself in other peoples' eyes, if you turn on the people you worked with.
 
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vncwilliam said:
there you go. indeed....that's the for real, right there. and from there comes jones' envy. all jones' other accomplishments would never be talked about more than any other jazz producer, if it weren't for thriller. he'd be just another critically acclaimed producer. only now is he called the producer of the century. and it all centers around MJ.

it is true that quincy jones is a truly legendary producer...but what comes out of your mouth is just as important as what comes from your talent. you can only diminish yourself in other peoples' eyes, if you turn on the people you worked with.
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How did he turn on Michael?
 
Considering none of us knows michael or quincy personally we shouldnt talk about their relationship like we have any clue as to whats going on.
 
so stop bashing quincy, because if it werent for him, Off The Wall, Thriller, and Bad, possibly the greatest albums ever would not be what they are. that is a fact.
 
this issue?

Janet on cover.

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