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quote saying new album sounds like off the wall for todays generation?

CreativeMind said:
So after "the new Thriller" comes "the new Off The Wall"? What happened to creativity...
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Hope not. I think they just means the music will be more like, well MUSIC.

Vince - and most new modern music - is full of sounds made on a computer and not with actual instruments.

I hope Mike will move back and combine great melody, great sound and great lyrics like on OTW. (And I'm not saying he didn't do that on all his albums)
 
People are taking this 'Off The Wall' mentioning too serious, and too literal..


OK..

Lets say you heard a song for the first time.. Where no1 else has. They ask you to discribe it.. You will refrence yourself to other songs that could give them an IDEA of what it sounds like compared to this persons previous work..

Take any song.. try to explain it, you will refrence another song..

Lets take WE'VE HAD ENOUGH, if you were to explain it to someone you would probaly use 'Earth Song' as an example. Does it REALLY sound like it? No! but it gives the person a frame of idea where they can think of it.

^ Just an example..

With each album Michael dove into more and more life stories. it became almost an autobiography by the time HIStory came out..

NOW from music standpoint that is great.. BUT!! For people to groove to it in the car, to and fro work. Dancing in the clubs.. It does not really work, unless you are group of MJ fans.

Though they are all great songs, you will not find D.S., This TIme Around, and Money being played in clubs and public places..

Michael wants to reach ALL people, people sitting in a restaurant, you'll hear Michael. You are in a club, you'll hear Michael, You go to the store, you will hear Michael.. This is one of Michaels aims. He knows with the personal music, they can become great songs, but do not have a long life on the charts.. Especailly in todays society..
 
jaydom7 said:
On invincible's fast songs there was no melody whatsoever, just a bunch of noise and sound effects
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I definitely disagree with that.

Heartbreaker and Threatened being one of the BEST melodies produced on that album. I think if Invincible had anything going for it, it was catchy melodies.
 
well KOPV, we don't know exactly what MJ's aims are. Usually they are just to make great music period.

(speaking generally) And that could be pop, hip hop, personal, classical whatever. And if MJ goes a risky route, I would respect him more for it.

That's why I love History so much. Even if it's not the 'ideal' commercial pop stuff, it's great music. Great music is great music no matter what form it's in. I don't like MJ cuz he's at the top of the charts all the time, I like MJ because...he makes great music :lol:

I think a lot of fans hate on him when MJ experiments with his sound and moves in a versatile route and then claim that MJ needs to 'go back to his roots'. That a big mess to me. MJ never left the OTW/Thriller days, he's expanded upon them.

(now back to talking directly to KOPV lol) KOPV, i understand that the term is meant in a vague sense, but a lot of fans and people in general wish and hope for MJ to go back to his 'OTW' days, and "thriller" days...cuz that's when he made 'good music', that's before 'he went crazy'. Fact is, MJ never left those days. So that's what irks me about that.
 
Ohhh, I so, so LOVE Invincible!~ :wub:

I'm getting tired with this permanent Invincible bash, I mean some of you don't like it fine, but to say it isn't great and just impose your opinion as truth, now that I cannot get it! It's quite disrespectful towards Michael's effort and even towards fans who like it. It's so easy to say 'in my opinion', or 'I think that for me... Invincible sounds like... etc etc...' ? Stating your opinions as truths and objective facts, now this one is not cool at all. ;)
 
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^ ya I know, I agree completly. But I highly doubr that when will.i.am said this, that is what he ment by it.. Him being in his presence would HAVE to know his talent never left. Thriller was his biggest album, yet Will.i.am said 'off the wall' so talent wise is not what he ment.

But whatever, some fans will take every sentance and disect it untill there is nothing left.. That is why they keep getting disapointed. They take somewhere that says 'tribute to Michael Jackson' and SOMEWHERE along the way it turns into MICHAEL WILL BE THERE. then when he doesn't show up.. lol! well, you know..

I'm just saying take it as it is.. Don't take his sentance SO litarally, and make it seem like he's living in the past, or copying himself.. lol!

I KNOW THE ALBUM WILL BE GREAT. and that's what really matters to me. if it's like whatever someone quotes it to be. "techno style" "hip hop" "Off the Wall" or "Telitobi" lol! Mike will turn it into MAGIC.
 
KOPV said:
^ ya I know, I agree completly. But I highly doubr that when will.i.am said this, that is what he ment by it.. Him being in his presence would HAVE to know his talent never left. Thriller was his biggest album, yet Will.i.am said 'off the wall' so talent wise is not what he ment.

But whatever, some fans will take every sentance and disect it untill there is nothing left.. That is why they keep getting disapointed. They take somewhere that says 'tribute to Michael Jackson' and SOMEWHERE along the way it turns into MICHAEL WILL BE THERE. then when he doesn't show up.. lol! well, you know..

I'm just saying take it as it is.. Don't take his sentance SO litarally, and make it seem like he's living in the past, or copying himself.. lol!

I KNOW THE ALBUM WILL BE GREAT. and that's what really matters to me. if it's like whatever someone quotes it to be. "techno style" "hip hop" "Off the Wall" or "Telitobi" lol! Mike will turn it into MAGIC.[/quote]

:punk:RIGHT! Tell it like it is!
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mj2 said:
they always say that.... then invincible came out, and it sucked!
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the slow R&B tunes were good, but the fast, supposed dance tracks were awful, and then of course the over the top snoozefest songs like Lost Children and You are my life should not have been on the album at all
 
Ommmmggg can we NOT make this into another 'lets bash Invincible!" thread? PLEASE?


(anyway, Lost Children is probably one of the best and most beautiful songs MJ has ever written IMO, and Heartbreaker is SUCH a good dance track i dunno what ur talking about)
 
I love Invincible. Don't get me started on Threatened, one of my favourite tracts Invincilbe is an acquired taste. For people who love good music, not just dance music. There is something for everyone in there. Speechless is divine, came from the heart. Heaven can wait, butterflies. Most people albums are just good for the popular song and the rest is throw away. Invincible is a long cd. If you don't like one or two songs, there is alt least 5 or 6 songs on the album that are winners. I love Cry. I almost forget that it is on the album. Gees, Invincible is probably my favourite album. Stop bashong the album. It was n0t a failure. It went to number 1 all over the world and without promotion and sold 10 million. IOf all you want from an album os dance music, then MJ os the wrong person for you cause he may turn out some opera or some clasical music, and since I am so versatile in music, I am going to love every minute of it.
MJ PLEASE do some classics this time. Or some Irish folk songs will be fine too. Like the lost Children. I love that song. I love country music too, and so does MJ so he may come out with a country album too, like Destiny. I cant wait for anything MJ brings.
 
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If your taste in music is very narrow and closed then you are going to have a lot of trouble with anything MJ puts out cause MJ likes a lot of different styles of music and he will experiment, he will not be dictated to by people who only stick to one genre of music. I bet the people who complains about Invincible listens to very little music except rnb or hip hop. How many of them listens to folk singing or country music, how many listens to the classics or jazz or italian music or music from other cultures . We should do a survey and see the type of music people listen to and see who are the ones that complaine about invincible.
 
Many people LOVE invincible. IT was great work..


Michael has been performing for longer than many of us have been alive. How can anyone question his abilities?? He's the GREATEST..

He is ART in human form
 
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Invincible was masterfully done and for all it was worth it made me love him a thousand times more. That's all I have to say about it.

Folks who don't know...won't ever know. They don't matter in my view of things.
 
Datsymay said:
If your taste in music is very narrow and closed then you are going to have a lot of trouble with anything MJ puts out cause MJ likes a lot of different styles of music and he will experiment, he will not be dictated to by people who only stick to one genre of music. I bet the people who complains about Invincible listens to very little music except rnb or hip hop. How many of them listens to folk singing or country music, how many listens to the classics or jazz or italian music or music from other cultures . We should do a survey and see the type of music people listen to and see who are the ones that complaine about invincible.
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I LOVE YOU! :wub::wub::wub:

Yeah, fear Michael folks, fear him! Becuase this guy is not an Aladin Lamp, this guy is his own master, and he will do what he will do, without asking permission from anyone. We should be capable to folow him, if we aren't capable do it then do not blame it on him blame it on narrow tastes and preconceptions.
 
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I believe that what Will was talking about was the way that off the wall had killer melodies, and that this is what they are bringing to the table, music to move you and make you dance.

Terry
 
I doubt Michael would make an Off The Wall album for the 2000's. But I wouldn't be surprised to see Michael doing more dance based music like he did both as a solo artist and with The Jacksons from 1978-80. That doesn't make a new Michael Jackson an Off The Wall style album, it just means Michael may be doing more dance/funky melodies and music arrangements.

Until we hear Michael's new album or have more official confirmation about it, we have no idea what it will sound like. For example Michael may be collaborating with Will.i.am on some songs, but not all of those songs will end up on Michael's new album. Who for example new Michael was working with with a man known as Dr Freeze on Break of Dawn from the Invincible album, when all the attention was focused on Rodney Jerkins co-producing the album.
 
benscarr said:
I doubt Michael would make an Off The Wall album for the 2000's. But I wouldn't be surprised to see Michael doing more dance based music like he did both as a solo artist and with The Jacksons from 1978-80. That doesn't make a new Michael Jackson an Off The Wall style album, it just means Michael may be doing more dance/funky melodies and music arrangements.

Until we hear Michael's new album or have more official confirmation about it, we have no idea what it will sound like. For example Michael may be collaborating with Will.i.am on some songs, but not all of those songs will end up on Michael's new album. Who for example new Michael was working with with a man known as Dr Freeze on Break of Dawn from the Invincible album, when all the attention was focused on Rodney Jerkins co-producing the album.
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Great points. Well written. MJ done a song with P Diddy on Vince and it wasnt included. Same deal may happen with will.i.am and he knows it. He has said himself "i dont know if he will use my songs, all i know is i working with the dude". He is real about it. Not over confident. I like that. See my collaberations thread for all the stuff Will and others have said about the new album.


jaydom7 said:
I hope he stays away from Rodney Jerkins
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I hope there at least one Jerkins track on it. Jerkins did Weve Had Enough. Forever my fave MJ song. Incredible track, and i admire anyone who helped create it. Prove that Jerkins aint JUST about "over-produced beats" as some fans think.
 
Jerkins is still a great producer. The vision he had for invincible was a little off. But he still GOT IT. He just needs to fallow Michaels vision, and help make it become reality..

I think the only problem with Invincible it was MJ relying on others more than usual.. It was THERE talents over Michaels at some points. .Michael only wrote 2 songs on it.. Usually he writes MUCH more..

The more creative control Mike has, the better it will be..

Well Mike said he's writing most of the new album himself.. SO this is GREAT news,.
 
KOPV said:
Jerkins is still a great producer. The vision he had for invincible was a little off. But he still GOT IT. He just needs to fallow Michaels vision, and help make it become reality..

I think the only problem with Invincible it was MJ relying on others more than usual.. It was THERE talents over Michaels at some points. .Michael only wrote 2 songs on it.. Usually he writes MUCH more..

The more creative control Mike has, the better it will be..

Well Mike said he's writing most of the new album himself.. SO this is GREAT news,.
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Exactly. He was relying on too many other people. Its like he didnt trust in himself. With all these cats he is hanging with at the moment eg. will.i.am and akon, blowing smoke up his ass about how f**king good he is, he is sure to gain some confidence in his own ability.

Mikes OWN music in enchanting. It drags you in. And on all levels Invincible is a perfect record. Perfect vocals, terrific music, lyrically incredible, alot of work went into it, but not alot of that work was headed by MICHAEL HIMSELF. So although "technically" the album is perfect, there is something missing. The thing that was missing was MJ's heart and sole and creativity, and that thing that takes over your body. Sure you can dance to the tunes on Invincible, but they dont FORCE you to dance. PTY, Billie Jean, TWYMMF, Black Or White, Blood on the Dance Floor... they take over your body. They have groove and funk and you cant help it. Unbreakable, sure, its dancable, but i could sit through it.

Then on the other end of the stick. Ballads. Slow tunes. Think back. If you shut your eyes and listen, the tracks on Invincible dont draw you into MJ's world. Listen deeply to Cry, Dont Walk Away, ect. There is the passion missing. But you can FEEL in tracks like Will You Be There and Stranger In Moscow. Its like your going to the place where MJ was at when your listening to them. You can picture his face, and hear the emotion in his voice. Not so much the Vince tracks (with the exception of Speachless and possibly one or two others)

I hope that MJ factor is back on the new stuff.
 
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I disagree with everything you said damien.

Who are we to say if MJ didnt have confidence in himself? The very two songs written by HIM on that album are the most hated by fans...so i dunno why people constantly say "the problem with Invincible is MJ not writing his own stuff' That's not the problem. The problem his people just don't like the style MJ chose with the songs on the album. MJ was not forced to put anything he didn't want to put in that album.

And I felt MJ's passion just fine in the songs you mentioned. And other songs like WYBT and SIM, is again something fans complain complain about...they dont want PERSONAL music right? Cuz people can't relate to that. And so when MJ DOESN'T do personal music...they say they want it again.

So in conclusion, there's no pleasing you folks.
 
lol @ there's no pleasing you folks

you have to realise just how diverse opinions are on Mike because he's got so many fans. so you get those who like personal stuff, and those who don't.

so it's not that "they say they want it again", but that you have many others who oppose it and like pretty much everything in life, the negativity almost always gets the limelight.

no one fan community is ever pleased.
 
well i say people need to get used to MJ's diversity if they haven't already. Cuz he's been doing that for the last 20 years.
 
sure, i agree with pretty much everything else you said.

like you say, Invincible was Mike's project - but where i personally think it failed to deliver is getting the right chemistry between his input and that of Jerkins/Riley.

it worked perfectly back in Dangerous which was just as diverse, if not more than Invincible. and he took risks e.g. to not include a bottom-end to many of Riley's contributions - Riley being known for bass-heavy urban music. but that became one of the unique sides to Dangerous and yet was still revered by fans and pop-listeners alike.
 
jaydom7 said:
I hope he stays away from Rodney Jerkins
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yes me too, will is another case he is moving in more pop soul sounds than other r&b producers of today,i believe the choise of will was brilliant.when he was saying the of the wall of today i think he means this old r&b disco rithim with todays touch,which i think is very good..and in fashion again.i noticed that he was saying it and in another interview he said:we are going back to old good sounds.we are going against to what is hapening now in music! we are not going to be minimal.i have the feeling..michael is going to make a brilliant album guys am sure every fan is going to love it.
 
damien shields said:
Exactly. He was relying on too many other people. Its like he didnt trust in himself. With all these cats he is hanging with at the moment eg. will.i.am and akon, blowing smoke up his ass about how f**king good he is, he is sure to gain some confidence in his own ability.

Mikes OWN music in enchanting. It drags you in. And on all levels Invincible is a perfect record. Perfect vocals, terrific music, lyrically incredible, alot of work went into it, but not alot of that work was headed by MICHAEL HIMSELF. So although "technically" the album is perfect, there is something missing. The thing that was missing was MJ's heart and sole and creativity, and that thing that takes over your body. Sure you can dance to the tunes on Invincible, but they dont FORCE you to dance. PTY, Billie Jean, TWYMMF, Black Or White, Blood on the Dance Floor... they take over your body. They have groove and funk and you cant help it. Unbreakable, sure, its dancable, but i could sit through it.

Then on the other end of the stick. Ballads. Slow tunes. Think back. If you shut your eyes and listen, the tracks on Invincible dont draw you into MJ's world. Listen deeply to Cry, Dont Walk Away, ect. There is the passion missing. But you can FEEL in tracks like Will You Be There and Stranger In Moscow. Its like your going to the place where MJ was at when your listening to them. You can picture his face, and hear the emotion in his voice. Not so much the Vince tracks (with the exception of Speachless and possibly one or two others)

I hope that MJ factor is back on the new stuff.
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the promplem with invincible damien isnt that he was relying in too many others...the problem was that michael wasnt ready to make an album wasnt good at all!! he forced from sony to do that he had many problems in diferent levels and the ony thing that he couldnt do at this time was music..2000-2005 was michaels worst period he ve been through too much and this reflected and in invicible...it happens everyone has his bad momments...
 
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