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Why did Michael fire Bob Jones?

Big Apple2 said:
I hear what your saying, i.e. we don't KNOW these people, BUT here are somethings to ponder:

Bob Jones MIGHT have done good work in the beginning, but he showed his true colors at the end. And, in my opinion, therein lies the problem with Mr. Jones.

If he has a history of good work, I find it more then interesting that NOBODY in the industry wants anything to do with him.

Folks in the industry who hold positions like Mr. Jones had, switch up ALL the time, but they don't write tell-all books. You can work with a bunch of people, off and on, in that type of position. You start working with one person and after a while it doesn't work anymore, so you go on and work with the next person. It happens all the time. Bob Jones is NOT the first P.R. person to be fired by a high profile artist. He could very well be working with some other artist, had he played his cards right.

It is also my "opinion" that Bob Jones and Stacy Brown had already begun working on that tell-all book BEFORE Mr. Jones got fired.
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I too agree with the highlighted bit. I believe that there were many people who were counting on MJ being convicted. They were lying in wait for the opportunity to make big money. Bob's book would have been his chance to make big money for telling lies. Consider if MJ had been convicted, everybody who had ever known him or worked with him could have used this opportunity to make big money by selling stories. Bob did not want to miss out on such a wind fall. His book was already in waiting. Somebody found out about it and leaked it. Even Sneddon heard about it. The man had no integrity. There should be a law against such dishonest people.
 
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All I can truly say is Bob was wrong writing the book with Stacy. No matter what happened, if Bob felt he was wronged he could have chose legal alternatives. Bob is the one that came up with the "lickin of the head" story, wasn't he? I just wondered if anyone knew of a key thing he did for MJ to say "enough". It could may have been the book that did it. All I know is I don't agree with trying to talk bad against Michael Jackson when it's unjustified.
 
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Bob was counting on a conviction. They all were. When it didn't happen they all lost their jobs and the potential to make money. I bet Mike was stunned to see Bobette on that stand talking crap especially since he's known the Jackson family since the early Motown days
 
tupacavelli4life said:
All I can truly say is Bob was wrong writing the book with Stacy. No matter what happened, if Bob felt he was wronged he could have chose legal alternatives. Bob is the one that came up with the "lickin of the head" story, wasn't he? I just wondered if anyone knew of a key thing he did for MJ to say "enough". It could may have been the book that did it. All I know is I don't agree with trying to talk bad against Michael Jackson when it's unjustified.
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Both Bob and Stacey lifted their story from the Arviros who lifted their story from the Chandlers story which was leaked on the net during the accusation. Anybody could have used the story to build one of their own. Stacy brown is known to use other peoples story as his, I think the NE was threatening to sue him for pilfering their story and passing it on as his own, Much of what was in Jones book was news to Jones. He had no idea what was in the book cause it was written by Stacey Brown,. He put his name to it though. They are a bunch of crooks, both with a vendetta against MJ because he hoisted them from the gravy train. I hope they ch... on the money they made from the book.:(
 
tupacavelli4life said:
All I can truly say is Bob was wrong writing the book with Stacy. No matter what happened, if Bob felt he was wronged he could have chose legal alternatives. Bob is the one that came up with the "lickin of the head" story, wasn't he? I just wondered if anyone knew of a key thing he did for MJ to say "enough". It could may have been the book that did it. All I know is I don't agree with trying to talk bad against Michael Jackson when it's unjustified.
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And another thing for me, is the fact that Bob Jones would KICK a person, when that person was going through what Mike was going through. That was a really low blow!

Bob worked with Mike for 20 something years, it couldn't have been too bad, if he stayed there that long.

I also "think" it was Stacy Brown's idea to do the tell-all book and Bob Jones just became a willing participant and that includes the "head lickin" thing. Stacy had "hopes" of being the BLACK Dan Abrams. LOL!
 
Bob Jones was hauled into court by Sneddon to defend his book and he couldn't even do that. He was a total embarrassment, he left the court room with his head down to the floor. he could not defend his book cause he did not know what was written in it, It was stacey brown that was summond to impeach him. They are a disgrace and shoudn't even be mentioned any more.
 
Datsymay said:
Both Bob and Stacey lifted their story from the Arviros who lifted their story from the Chandlers story which was leaked on the net during the accusation. Anybody could have used the story to build one of their own. Stacy brown is known to use other peoples story as his, I think the NE was threatening to sue him for pilfering their story and passing it on as his own, Much of what was in Jones book was news to Jones. He had no idea what was in the book cause it was written by Stacey Brown,. He put his name to it though. They are a bunch of crooks, both with a vendetta against MJ because he hoisted them from the gravy train. I hope they ch... on the money they made from the book.:(
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also add to the fact BJ and SB approached 2 jurors and played a huge part in those jurors trying to get publicity for themselves by slandering Michael...

thinking of all Michael has been through...I can't understand why some don't realize that where Michael is now.. is such a TRIUMPH...

celebrate.. embrace.. and appreciate...
 
tupacavelli4life said:
I don't get this universal trust and distrust of people we don't know. I don't know if Bob Jones was an evil man. I don't blindly believe everything that Michael Jackson says either. I'm a lifelong fan of Michael's since 1970, so please don't come at me with i'm starting ish stuff. I want to know why Bob was fired as well. I come to this site to seek answers when the news is slow. All this "Michael wouldn't do this, he's not like that..." My question is how do u know he wouldn't? We don't know what these people do or think behind closed doors. Therefore we shouldn't be so quick to blindly believe everything. Now back to my original point. I just heard what happened in the aftermath of his firing. I just don't know what led to the firing. Could it be some of the people working for Michael at the time spread some false info to Jackson that led him to fire Jones? You have to look at the same unscrupelous people that were working for MJ at the time to fully understand. I say this because Jones was hired originally by Berry Gordy decades ago to do press for Motown artists and he later began to work exclusively for Jackson. So he has a history of good work. Where did it go wrong? I have a theory.
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I don't have a theory. But I have an opinion. First of all, I could care less over who is or is not employed by Michael Jackson. That's number one. Second, in my opinion, Bob Jones and Stacy Brown were but only two of the many 'hanger-ons' who migrated, and ingraciated and infiltrated MJ's innercircles. [on Edit: Brown never got close to MJ's circles. He was a 'hangers-on' to Jones] They served no real, useful purpose for the man and both should have been fortunate to have benefited for as long as they did. It is clear to me that both Jones and Brown sought to financially benefit off the misery of Michael Jackson by promoting the kind of stories and information that a dubious press wanted to disseminate and some people wanted to hear.

Why they did so is locked in their own minds and I'm not trying to understand their motivation or them.

But this discussion is not about some member's belief system that they are somewhat more 'objective' and 'open to a diverse opinion' over members who they proclaim are hopelessly jaded because in their mind, these other members see MJ as a person who does no wrong.

Save it. The bottomline is this: it really ani't none of our business why Jones was fired.
 
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mello1 said:
I don't have a theory. But I have an opinion. First of all, I could care less over who is or is not employed by Michael Jackson. That's number one. Second, in my opinion, Bob Jones and Stacy Brown were but only two of the many 'hanger-ons' who migrated, and ingraciated and infiltrated MJ's innercircles. [on Edit: Brown never got close to MJ's circles. He was a 'hangers-on' to Jones] They served no real, useful purpose for the man and both should have been fortunate to have benefited for as long as they did. It is clear to me that both Jones and Brown sought to financially benefit off the misery of Michael Jackson by promoting the kind of stories and information that a dubious press wanted to disseminate and some people wanted to hear.

Why they did so is locked in their own minds and I'm not trying to understand their motivation or them.

But this discussion is not about some member's belief system that they are somewhat more 'objective' and 'open to a diverse opinion' over members who they proclaim are hopelessly jaded because in their mind, these other members see MJ as a person who does no wrong.

Save it. The bottomline is this: it really ani't none of our business why Jones was fired.
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i soooo agree especially with the part that i emboldened. i am SOOOOO tired of people who pull that card against fans who are totally positive about MJ. it's not gunna destroy the lives of those who disagree, if a fan is totally postive about MJ. the totally postive fan's words or opinions are not going to affect the opinions of those who disagree with fans who 'blindly' follow MJ. there is room in this big world for all people who have all views without one section verbally blasting another section of fans.

now..having said that....MJ is a brilliant businessperson..and his forty plus years of strudiness and still standingness speak for themselves. If Bob Jones was ethical, he'd be in a brilliant position too. what goes around comes around. it is possible to be fantastic at business and be ethical. MJ is proof of that. People who are truly unethical always get found out. it's impossible to hide it. the governor of new york(former) is proof of that. Bob Jones was exposed because he is unethical. We don't have to delve into Jones' business to find out if he's unethical. it will come out in the wash, all by itself. and it did.

lol...and i'm guessing that this thread is five pages long, because a lot of people were interested in posting on it. lol
 
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vncwilliam said:
i soooo agree especially with the part that i emboldened. i am SOOOOO tired of people who pull that card against fans who are totally positive about MJ. it's not gunna destroy the lives of those who disagree, if a fan is totally postive about MJ. the totally postive fan's words or opinions are not going to affect the opinions of those who disagree with fans who 'blindly' follow MJ. there is room in this big world for all people who have all views without one section verbally blasting another section of fans.
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What is getting tiring to read is the stupid, childish stereotypes that some of the posters are caled defenders of Michael's at all costs. No one here follows Michael blindly or destroys anyone's life, and, boy, you can even tell by the degree of negativity enhanced in many posts that the only hurt party here would be Michael, should he happen to read some of the comments that criticize him unconstructively. And his fans would, too. And examples would just pour. All some of us here try to do is focus on the positive when it comes to him, I know it can be hard for many. It escapes me how opinions are made at ease, based upon tired stereotypes, that avoid the core of matters. Michael Jackson has had enough of this, people. Anyone would. It is getting tiring to read how the people choosing to be more empathizing of his life, more compassionate and realistic, too, get attacked because of that. We are not going to apologize for thinking the way we do, just because we happen to intepretate him better, to put him bluntly, because it is what some can really do. I don't care if this sounds in tune with some sort of arrogance. And, second of all, what does that stereotypical mention have to do with this thread? Did Bob Jones was fired because Michael is not perfect?............ Jones was fired as he was deserving of it. And I dare all to name any other more forgiving or compassionate person than Jackson. He could be stabbed in the back by some, and he would acknowledge their frailty only and move on, discovering later afterwards that he is in tocuh with the traitors again or totally over the past, focusing on the brighter things in life. What more should also try to do here, for instance.

I know I'm not overreacting when I say this, but: many people can't actually believe him, no matter what, as they don't really care to know him, although so many signals make that possible, that many can't se or choose to dismiss as imagined. So it is always easier to put things into boxes and categorize him as a flawed human being, instead, or of someone being just like the rest of us, latching on to every minor thing which might link him to the average or extreme imperfect nature. Wake up. No one can match him. And I'm not talking about his talents here, those clearly can be seem.

Sorry about the relatively off topic mentions. But it's like living a tedious deja-vu when everyday one happens to open thread "X" and "Y" to find the same type of negative comments with respect to MJ and some of his fans.
 
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"Apparently, Jackson even has a kinky fascination with feces, saving soiled underwear as mementos", that is just one line of the book by bob jones nuff said.
 
Some people tend to forget who, why, and how people try to BANK on the brand that is MICHAEL JACKSON.
 
That seems to be the status quo of the board vncwilliam. If you have to belittle Michael in order to defend someone else, well, here's the place to do it.
 
What I am trying to figure out and understand is why do some fans spend so much time on the haters on MJ? Bob Jones is a loser. End of story. This was a man who did not do his job. He got money for nothing. When you are employed, you are paid by your employer to do the job. When the employer finds out that you are not doing your job, you get fired because basically, you are stealing money from your employer. That is what Bob Jones did. If Bob Jones lost his retirment and pension benefits from working with MJ, that is not Mike's problem. That was Bob's responsibility from the jump.

What I find cruel is Bob Jones coming to the trial, speaking for the prosecution and writing a trashy book on MJ. That is what I find cruel. I do not know or understand why fans waste their time on this loser. This guy did NOTHING for MJ. He is not credited for helping MJ. All he did was sat his nasty ass down and freeload. MJ let him go and he did the right thing. No one cares about that old fart. Mike is not thinking about him. I am glad that this guy was let go. MJ threw out the trash.
 
Bee1983 said:
What I am trying to figure out and understand is why do some fans spend so much time on the haters on MJ? Bob Jones is a loser. End of story. This was a man who did not do his job. He got money for nothing. When you are employed, you are paid by your employer to do the job. When the employer finds out that you are not doing your job, you get fired because basically, you are stealing money from your employer. That is what Bob Jones did. If Bob Jones lost his retirment and pension benefits from working with MJ, that is not Mike's problem. That was Bob's responsibility from the jump.

What I find cruel is Bob Jones coming to the trial, speaking for the prosecution and writing a trashy book on MJ. That is what I find cruel. I do not know or understand why fans waste their time on this loser. This guy did NOTHING for MJ. He is not credited for helping MJ. All he did was sat his nasty ass down and freeload. MJ let him go and he did the right thing. No one cares about that old fart. Mike is not thinking about him. I am glad that this guy was let go. MJ threw out the trash.
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well...the fans' reaction is probably the cumulative effect of standing by and watching MJ go through a lot for a lot of years..and remain quiet and polite, to the point where the media thought MJ had no fans left..and the media erroneously felt happy and comfortable. now, the rubber band boomerang effect, is taking place, with human beings, full of emotions, that love Michael... and there are new fans discovering him everyday..and with that, the discovery of his recent history..

it's natural...and rather comforting...and i guess we'll have to deal with the ins and outs of it...
 
from what I heard more folks were shocked and sad about MJ parting with Bob Jones than the actual charges or case against MJ. the thing is, quite a few folks saw a weak case, but hating seeing MJ let Bob Jones go.
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LOL.

What people forget to mention is that Bob Jones said in the trial when he lied was that he did not know MJ personally. That had to be the most truest statment he could have ever said. Anyone that truly knows MJ, would NEVER write a book about MJ in the way Bob Jones did. So, let's remember that. I do not care what anyone thinks - Bob Jones does not personally know MJ.
 
well...the fans' reaction is probably the cumulative effect of standing by and watching MJ go through a lot for a lot of years..and remain quiet and polite, to the point where the media thought MJ had no fans left..and the media erroneously felt happy and comfortable. now, the rubber band thereboomerang effect, is taking place, with human beings, full of emotions, that love Michael... and are new fans discovering him everyday..and with that, the discovery of his recent history
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Right..... so what does your post have to do with what I said? I was lost a bit.

The fans talked about that bastard during the trial. We really do not know why that bastard was fired but he is gone. The roach is gone and that is all that matters. I am just trying to understand why some fans like to dwell on MJ's haters?
 
Bee1983 said:
Right..... so what does your post have to do with what I said? I was lost a bit.

The fans talked about that bastard during the trial. We really do not know why that bastard was fired but he is gone. The roach is gone and that is all that matters. I am just trying to understand why some fans like to dwell on MJ's haters?
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well...i explained it as best i can...

part of my explanation is, that there are new fans everyday

like i said in another post...there's room enough in the world for those who want to dwell..and those who don't... no sweat:)
 
The reason the Michael fired Bob Jones is that Bob Jones is a doo doo head :) (lol, sorry, I'm feeling crappy with a cold and needed to post something silly. I need MJ's new album!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)
 
Bob Jones: "a paid paperweight"

Yep. That's about it. It never ceases to amaze me how people think he's supposed to take care of them for the rest of their lives even if they're doing nothing or doing a crappy job.

And certainly anyone who would then turn on him - regardless of the circumstances - and throw out innuendo about false molestation claims, deserved to be thrown out on their a$s. He deserves every bit of ridicule he's getting.

Retirement plan? Michael Jackson was his "retirement plan".
 
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whisper said:
Bob Jones: "a paid paperweight"

Yep. That's about it. It never ceases to amaze me how people think he's supposed to take care of them for the rest of their lives even if they're doing nothing or doing a crappy job.

And certainly anyone who would then turn on him - regardless of the circumstances - and throw out innuendo about false molestation claims, deserved to be thrown out on their a$s. He deserves every bit of ridicule he's getting.

Retirement plan? Michael Jackson was his "retirement plan".
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i totally agree. it's that way in any employment. so why would people blame MJ for doing the same thing to a lame employee?
 
You know the really sad thing about Bob Jones? I remember watching a TV show about Bob back in 1994 it showed how much he was respected when it came to "black Hollywood". People were telling him thank you for what they did for him and how he opened doors for them when he worked for Motown. Ah he blew all of that out of greed. Ah well there is always social security
 
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