ALERT ALERT MJ Neverland News [check post #1 for updates]

Thank you Applehead777 for sticking your neck out and informing the fans of this. I really appreciate it and I hope many fans feel the same.

:flowers:

Yeah, thanks!

There is NO way to really know what sort of deal Michael made. We can speculate, but without looking at mountains of private documents to which we do not, and should not, have access, there is no way to know. I'm sure it is. . . whatever "it" is, extremely complicated and convoluted. All we know for certain is that Neverland is no longer Neverland, and it's been reported that it sold, or some of it sold? for 35 million. And that's it.

I'd suggest a cup of tea now, a walk around the block and some fresh air, and so forth.

peace,

Victoria
 
Honestly, non of ya'll see this coming? lol

Good to see MJ's put a big part of his troubled past behind him.

So when will we get to se his new crib?? :)
 
Has anyone got the link to the pictures of neverland at night? that person that broke in or w.e to take them??

would be really helpful pleassse
 
Sooooo who's excited about the future? :dance: All in favor say "aye"!

(I'll go first)

Aye! :D
 
Obviously the benifits of this venture outweighs the negitive.. Otherwise Mike would not have made the decision..

I just look 4ward on seeing what comes out of it.. :)
 
Well I have no idea what he did, I just know that people can be very creative in business dealings and I don't mean underhanded. I mean, a really good deal is one that can benefit both parties. To me, that is the best deal and it doesn't always have to be centered around cash. The deals that are good for only one side can be kind of sad, there is usually a way to make it good for both. Maybe this is what happened. Maybe the business man MJ dealt with in this Neverland deal actually wanted to find out what would best benefit both himself AND MJ. It sounds like that's possible. I never got the impression the man did what he did just for an opportunity at kicking a man while he was down. He seemed to me to be someone who would rather build up than tear down. Turn the negative into something positive. I guess we shall see what is in store. (and Elusive Moonwalker, yes I agree...but maybe he hadn't forgotten saying that. We can't blame him if he has forgotten and no one would hold him to it, but it is possible he has worked that into this deal)

Edit: oh and Wendy ...here's my Aye! *cheers*

The closing of one chapter in life always holds a little sadness and mourning to it, but the anticipation and excitement of what is to come soon overcomes that sadness. A little gift my mom gave me 5 and a half years ago after my separation was a framed photo of eggs in a nest hatching and it said "Nothing is more beautiful than a new beginning". So please try to remember that. Isn't that last chapter one we will be glad to see closed, even though we are saying goodbye to the good as well? The new one will hold so much more wonderful things. :) I am sure of it!
 
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It makes sense now! I posted this earlier about UCC Termination and Agreements:

For example, a bank gives a contractor a loan to buy a backhoe.The bank files a UCC financing statement (a lien) with the Secretary of State which lists the contractor as the debtor and the backhoe as collateral. Before the contractor can sell the backhoe, the UCC filing will show the prospective purchaser that the original bank has the first right to recover its loan from the sale. Or, before the contractor could borrow more money using that same equipment as security, the filing will show the new lender that at least part of the value of the backhoe belongs to another lender. When a debtor pays off the loan, the lender files a release and the property is free and clear.

When Michael paid back the loan for the ranch to Sycamore Ranch Company LLC, the lender (Colony/Sycamore) filed a release and the property became free and clear. Thus the filing of the UCC Termination by Sycamore. No more leans, no more creditors. The property is debt free.

Michael owns an interest in the property, which could easily mean mineral/land rights to a portion of the acreage. But make no mistake,,,, Michael sold the property
 
Sooooo who's excited about the future? :dance: All in favor say "aye"!

(I'll go first)

Aye! :D

Oh I'm definitely with you!

And the icing on the cake for me, is how HAPPY & RELAXED Mike has been looking lately. We have all seen those recent pictures and news like this could be "one" of the reasons he looks so relaxed lately.

I mean, to me, homeboy has been GLOWING lately.
 
When Michael paid back the loan for the ranch to Sycamore Ranch Company LLC, the lender (Colony/Sycamore) filed a release and the property became free and clear. Thus the filing of the UCC Termination by Sycamore. No more leans, no more creditors. The property is debt free.
so i wonder if mj did actually get 35mill and coloney just paid him that instead of 60 mill for it ie 25 mill less to pay the debt.
 
Oh I'm definitely with you!

And the icing on the cake for me, is how HAPPY & RELAXED Mike has been looking lately. We have all seen those recent pictures and news like this could be "one" of the reasons he looks so relaxed lately.

I mean, to me, homeboy has been GLOWING lately.

Yeah, he has def. been GLOWING!!Which is a nice thing to see from him! :)
 
It makes sense now! I posted this earlier about UCC Termination and Agreements:



When Michael paid back the loan for the ranch to Sycamore Ranch Company LLC, the lender (Colony/Sycamore) filed a release and the property became free and clear. Thus the filing of the UCC Termination by Sycamore. No more leans, no more creditors. The property is debt free.

Michael owns an interest in the property, which could easily mean mineral/land rights to a portion of the acreage. But make no mistake,,,, Michael sold the property

If he only owns an interest than why are they reporting it as a joint venture? That's where I'm getting confused.
 
because its a joint venture .he owns an intrest ie a % of the company. a deal between one or more ppl is a joint venture heres some intresting info vy aveeno explains it more

an important point everyone seems to be missing. If it was anything else they'd ID the deal as MJ owning minority share or "some interest" in property. Its easy to generalize and just decide he sold but retains "interest" that's not what it is in my view especially with the joint venture but we all could be wrong anyways, this could be a temporary deal too as in signed for a period of time and then Colony steps out of the LLC once the full loan is paid and then MJ retains the LLC to add to his collection of LLC's that protect his properties or it could be a true to the word long term joint venture.

to help along here's a legal definition of a joint venture and how it differs from a partnership
http://sbinfocanada.about.com/od/managemen...ointventure.htm

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Joint Venture Definition

A joint venture is a strategic alliance where two or more people or companies agree to contribute goods, services and/or capital to a common commercial enterprise.

Sounds like a partnership, doesn’t it? But legally, joint ventures and partnerships are not the same thing.

Joint Ventures versus Partnerships

The main difference between a joint venture and a partnership is that the members of a joint venture have teamed together for a particular purpose or project, while the members of a partnership have joined together to run "a business in common".

Each member of the joint venture retains ownership of his or her property.

And each member of the joint venture shares only the expenses of the particular project or venture.

Tax-wise, there are also differences between joint ventures and partnerships. As a member of a joint venture, you will receive a share of the profits which will be taxed according to whatever business structure you have set up. So, for instance, if you operate a sole proprietorship, your joint venture profits will be taxed just as any other business income would.

Joint ventures enjoy tax advantages over partnerships, too. Capital Cost Allowance (CCA) is treated differently. While those in partnerships have to claim CCA according to partnership rules, those in joint ventures can choose to use as much or little of their CCA claim as they like.

And joint ventures don’t have to file information returns, unlike partnerships.


here's another one:

QUOTE
An association of two or more individuals or companies engaged in a solitary business enterprise for profit without actual partnership or incorporation; also called a joint adventure.

A joint venture is a contractual business undertaking between two or more parties. It is similar to a business partnership, with one key difference: a partnership generally involves an ongoing, long-term business relationship, whereas a joint venture is based on a single business transaction. Individuals or companies choose to enter joint ventures in order to share strengths, minimize risks, and increase competitive advantages in the marketplace. Joint ventures can be distinct business units (a new business entity may be created for the joint venture) or collaborations between businesses. In a collaboration, for example, a high-technology firm may contract with a manufacturer to bring its idea for a product to market; the former provides the know-how, the latter the means.

All joint ventures are initiated by the parties' entering a contract or an agreement that specifies their mutual responsibilities and goals. The contract is crucial for avoiding trouble later; the parties must be specific about the intent of their joint venture as well as aware of its limitations. All joint ventures also involve certain rights and duties. The parties have a mutual right to control the enterprise, a right to share in the profits, and a duty to share in any losses incurred. Each joint venturer has a fiduciary responsibility, owes a standard of care to the other members, and has the duty to act in Good Faith in matters that concern the common interest or the enterprise. A fiduciary responsibility is a duty to act for someone else's benefit while subordinating one's personal interests to those of the other person. A joint venture can terminate at a time specified in the contract, upon the accomplishment of its purpose, upon the death of an active member, or if a court decides that serious disagreements between the members make its continuation impractical.

Joint ventures have existed for centuries. In the United States, their use began with the railroads in the late 1800s. Throughout the middle part of the twentieth century they were common in the manufacturing sector. By the late 1980s, joint ventures increasingly appeared in the service industries as businesses looked for new, competitive strategies. This expansion of joint ventures was particularly interesting to regulators and lawmakers.

The chief concern with joint ventures is that they can restrict competition, especially when they are formed by businesses that are otherwise competitors or potential competitors. Another concern is that joint ventures can reduce the entry of others into a given market. Regulators in the Justice Department and the Federal Trade Commission routinely evaluate joint ventures for violations of Antitrust Law; in addition, injured private parties may bring antitrust suits.

In 1982 Congress amended the sherman anti-trust act of 1890 (15 U.S.C.A. § 6a)—the statutory basis of antitrust law—to ease restrictions on joint ventures that involve exports. At the same time, it passed the Export Trading Company Act (U.S.C.A. § 4013) to grant exporters limited Immunity to antitrust prosecution. Two years later the National Cooperative Research Act of 1984 (Pub. L. No. 98-462) permitted venturers involved in joint research and development to notify the government of their joint venture and thus limit their liability in the event of prosecution for antitrust violations. This protection against liability was expanded in 1993 to include some joint ventures involving production (Pub. L. No. 103-42).
 
:sad2: I was kinda sad to hear the news at first, but now, with more details, :D it sounds like Michael has just made another SHREWD MOVE, sorta like he did with Sony :giggle:

No tellin' what they have planned for it, but Michael will undoubtedly make more $$$ from the deal in the future.
:pleased:
 
Im not really interested in the small print and detail of whats happened with Neverland. On the one hand I'm a bit saddened as MJ incorporated a lot of himself into that place...on the otherhand it no doubt makes good business sense for him at this time or else he wouldnt be doing it. He's moving on and I wish him all the best.
 
Im not really interested in the small print and detail of whats happened with Neverland. On the one hand I'm a bit saddened as MJ incorporated a lot of himself into that place...on the otherhand it no doubt makes good business sense for him at this time or else he wouldnt be doing it. He's moving on and I wish him all the best.

Exactly. He's making good business...as he always has.
 
I was kinda sad to hear the news at first, but now, with more details, :D it sounds like Michael has just made another SHREWD MOVE, sorta like he did with Sony
thats what im hoping/thinking
 
It's clear the property was sold. But that may have been the one of the prerequisites for the deal to take place with all the extras... turning it into a joint venture or whatever else may be involved. The sale seems like a major formality, if you will. HOWEVER, it seems to have freed Michael up a great deal debtwise and as far as having any real dealings with the place.

I'm just glad the whole property situation is resolved once and for all and off his plate. He can forge ahead with other things and not have to worry about that. The deal is done. The details are just details. And if he's happy with the details, Onward I say! :dance:
 
its always gonna be nevvy and i can never remember how to spell sycamore anyway. boring name lol
 
No I think it's more like Michael and Colony started a new company together. That new co bought the property for 35 mill, but because Colony took over the 24.5 mill loan from Michael, they got that money and the rest 10 mill is split between Michael and Colony, I guess. The new company has now a property and a 35 mill loan and now they probably renting out the ranch to someone so that the company can pay off the loan. And now Michael is not personally involed but is half owner to a company that owns a ranch and 35 mill loan.

This is the best interpretation I have yet to see. In any case, this is not your average property deal. The only thing is that I'm not sure that he is a half owner. Sounds like this is a way to pay off the mortgage in a holding company vs. a bank. The 24.5 mil bank loan was paid, and there was an extra 11.5 mill made off of the deal.
 
It's like saying the sycamore tree lol... giving tree... lol.

Seeing all you here, I got a feeling of how a new realease of Mike will look like. Wow...
 
Jackson’s Neverland Ranch sold for $35 million

That is a lot of money and considering what is going on in the economy, it is a pretty good deal.

Thank you guys for explaining the article in easier terms. After reading the information, I am beyond excited for the future. What is done is done. Mike has let the place go, physically, even though he owns interests, according to the article and maybe we should do the same. However long some fans want to start to let go. MJ made another smart business deal. :)
 
Love the theories people are coming up with, they are funny. sort of stuff tabloids come up with. no one knows whats happening at the moment, guess we will soon. in all honesty, it was a great move from MJ, that place has tied him down for a while, If he wanted to keep it he would have, fact is he hasn't so needless of what anyone says, its his choice and a great move. If anyone needs cheering up..................................................
http://br.youtube.com/watch?v=BYNoQZ5djUA

Can I also mention that whatever Financial situation Michael was or is in, Neverland never helped it a great deal!
 
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