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L.A. Police Chief: Homicide or Accidental Overdose

Angie85 said:
The essential problem is the yes-men. The yes-men everywhere, the people who are for sale. Yes, Michael had a lot of money and could have gone to any doctor if this one hadn't given him what he wanted, but this doctor wasn't stupid. I highly doubt that. There's crossing the line in prescribing drugs, and nodding yes when someone - who is clearly addicted and/or under the influence - asks for too much.
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I agree 100% with your comment about yes-men! Surrounding yourself with them insulates you from everyone who really has your best interests at heart! I believe that many of the people Michael employed were likely more concerned about keeping him happy than they were about what was best for him. They wanted to stay on the power, fame and money gravy train! Regardless of the consequences to Michael.
 
Ive always been suspicious of those doctors, they didnt care about Michaels well being they just wanted the money that Michael was paying them. Which was clearly alot! I still think the doctors gave him to many drugs, and gave Michael an overdose. :( So homocide is definitly possible. Oh Michael, poor baby.
 
well the doctors should be charged with murder for what they had done to Michael how dare they took him away from the world
 
gentlecharm said:
'Jackson's father, Joe Jackson, told ABC News in an interview that he believed "foul play" was involved in his son's death. But in the interview aired Friday on "Good Morning America," Jackson did not elaborate.' - Yahoo! News: http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090710/ap_on_en_mu/us_michael_jackson_investigation
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I saw the preview for GMA and this interview last night but when I watched it this morning, I never heard them say anything about it again. I probably missed it cuz I was channel surfing thinking I had the wrong channel.

Thanks for the link.

Bratton said Thursday. "Are we dealing with homicide? Are we dealing with an accidental overdose? What are we dealing with?"
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See?.........
 
I turned on CNN last night when I woke up for work and what I heard was them saying it was either an overdose or a negligent homicide case. Meaning that the death wasn't intentional (sometimes called involuntary manslaughter.) And the LAPD police chief said they were trying to look at every doctor MJ had come in contact with in recent years. He went on to say the reason for the possibility of negligent homicide is the fact that so many pills had been found in Michael's house, leading them to believe that Michael was either "doctor shopping" or doctors were grossly over perscribing medications, which is illegal and the doctors can be held liable for any accidental death, purely because it was Michael Jackson.
 
*~MichaelYourAStud said:
But, when the autopsy results mentioned the contents of his stomach, they didn't mention any residue from pills. Maybe they disolved quickly....God this makes me feel so much pain. :(
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Yeah but he had intravenous marks which goes straight into the blood stream hence the toxicology.

*~MJ Loves MJ~* said:
Sadly b/c I think that Michael knew the risks of taking the demerol, and figured that if something did go wrong, the 'cardiologist' would know what to do.

Very true... its suspicious from the start tho. Why do CPR ON A SOFT BED? this is supposed to be a trained practitioner. He said he was too frail to do it on the bed... PANTS i say.

MichaelYoureAStud said:
I want to know WHY. Why if he truly was addicted to something his family/friends/employees didn't do something?
I can tell you right now, I would never be scared of Michael. What's he gonna do? Hit me? Sue me? Bite me? I would have pushed him into rehab. If he wouldn't go, I'd gather enough proof to have him locked up. Better to be locked in rehab alive, than where he is now.
The hell is wrong with people?
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A couple of years ago when he was getting hooked, his sisters went round with one of the brothers but he refused to let them in. Katherine phoned him and he ignored the phone.

With all the security Michael had, it would have been easy to ignore people.

He obviously knew he had an addiction. I suppose its like telling you to not have that next drink when you go out or not to light up that next cigarette.

I picked up a magazine today which says he was (I think he came off) addicted to heroin! I haven't read the mag yet but i saw this as I was flicking through.
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A personal physician surely has to be privvy to every medication a patient is taking.

Either Michael hasnt been fully honest with his doctor or Murray has been negligent. It also needs to be established (if indeed true) how drugs for hospital use only were in Michaels home. Arnie Klein admitted to previously prescribing Diprovan, that makes him a cause for investigation.

Right now, Murray is who I am most concerned about. A lot still needs to be brought to light in the lead up to Michael falling unconscious.
 
So does this mean the Coroner has a cause of death? It certainly seems that way. Getting all his medical records does seem quite excessive however. It's so funny. The privacy he craved in life is being completely taken away. But the worst part about it is the constant speculation, and stories that are made up and will continue to be made up. All being pushed onto a public that really has no business hearing it. It just really tears me up inside.

Even on this board so many people with so much conjecture it really is sad.
 
JazmyneDraven said:
I turned on CNN last night when I woke up for work and what I heard was them saying it was either an overdose or a negligent homicide case. Meaning that the death wasn't intentional (sometimes called involuntary manslaughter.) And the LAPD police chief said they were trying to look at every doctor MJ had come in contact with in recent years. He went on to say the reason for the possibility of negligent homicide is the fact that so many pills had been found in Michael's house, leading them to believe that Michael was either "doctor shopping" or doctors were grossly over perscribing medications, which is illegal and the doctors can be held liable for any accidental death, purely because it was Michael Jackson.
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He used so many other names as well... there was probably room for "confusion" i.e. the doctor not to know he was prescribing MJ.

Can you imagine if they let the negligent doctor's name slip? oooooo he'd be fearful for the rest of his life...
 
deano said:
JustaFan2009.
I see you are trying to put the onus on MJ for is own health - which is all well and good when someone hasn't had 15 years of 'hell - but a Doctor is supposed to protect the vulnerable in his care. Poor Michael was certainly 'vulnerable'.
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I agree a Doctor is supposed to protect his patient! But you must have a doctor who is concerned with treating you rather than just pleasing you. I certainly don't have any idea of what this doctor's motives were. He may have been trying his best with MJ. But if he was more concerned with keeping his $150,000 per month paycheck than Michael's health it could lead to something like what has happened.

IF Michael picked him because he knew he could manipulate him, rather than because he was the best man for the job, it would be an incredibly bad decision and certainly one that would not be uncommon for someone hooked on drugs. And yes, many people that had gone through much less trauma in their lives get hooked - I'm not saying he was a bad person, I'm saying that if he was hooked he had the resources to do what his addiction told him to and there wouldn't be much anyone could do about it.

Couple that with surrounding yourself with security and yes men more concerned with staying on the payroll and doing what they could to protect his "image" while keeping away those who would act to protect him or really see there was a problem is a recipe for the disaster that now confronts his family, friends and fans.

I hope it is not what happened but I'm beginning to see it as more of a possibility.
 
When did Klein say he gave MJ Diprivan? Please give me article and link. Thank you:)
 
I rember someone saying that they think it was sony, that killed him because they know he will be more famous when he has died :( It was also strange that when they were looking for the doctor he was no were to be seen
 
emmah24 said:
A personal physician surely has to be privvy to every medication a patient is taking.
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nope, you provide your medical history or the doctor takes time to get ahold of it, which in michael's case would take hours due to his use of multiple doctors and moving around the world so much, the doctor wouldn't know your history. A patient's history at a doctors office is only stored at that office unless you take a copy with you or you go to a different doctor and they request it to be sent over.

edit: Plus Dr. Murray hadn't been Michael's physician all that long according to reports, only a few months, and just because he was there that night, didn't mean he was there all the time...
 
After Anna Nicole Smith, this part of the medical profession should have been cleaned up. There should have been safeguards against doctor shopping and doctor's not being able to know with the touch of a computer button what had been perscribe to any patient. Asking people who need or want medications to do so is insane when you are talking about stopping abuse.

This doesn't mean that I think that Michael's case and Anna Nicole's case are the same. But, the fact that it is even being discussed is crazy but it could have been stopped.
 
classic said:
After Anna Nicole Smith, this part of the medical profession should have been cleaned up. There should have been safeguards against doctor shopping and doctor's not being able to know with the touch of a computer button what had been perscribe to any patient. Asking people who need or want medications to do so is insane when you are talking about stopping abuse.

This doesn't mean that I think that Michael's case and Anna Nicole's case are the same. But, the fact that it is even being discussed is crazy but it could have been stopped.
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Thank you, that is exactly what I was saying this morning at work talking about all this with my boss. However my boss brought up a good point... Hippa (don't know if I spelled that right, but it's basically a healthcare privacy act) probably wouldn't allow a persons medical records and perscription history to be available at the touch of a computer button. That kind of access would almost require the use of internet and it would be far to easy for it to be compromised, and then you get into identity theft. Not to mention the whole violation of doctor/patient confidentiality.
 
JazmyneDraven said:
nope, you provide your medical history or the doctor takes time to get ahold of it, which in michael's case would take hours due to his use of multiple doctors and moving around the world so much, the doctor wouldn't know your history. A patient's history at a doctors office is only stored at that office unless you take a copy with you or you go to a different doctor and they request it to be sent over.

edit: Plus Dr. Murray hadn't been Michael's physician all that long according to reports, only a few months, and just because he was there that night, didn't mean he was there all the time...
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In that case, it sounds as though wider systematic failures have played a part ie use of multiple doctors etc, if indeed Michael has used multiple doctors. Still leaves the question of who prescribed him hospital meds for home use.

I'm not absoving Michael of any personal responsibility, but someone else has played a part in providing these meds in the first place.
 
Yeah ok Michael will be a drug addict, a heroine addict, a cocaine addict, he will be reported as having aids, as being a drug dealer. We haven't read or heard nothing yet. The worst rumours are yet to come...
 
The nurse ( if this is true) who came forward and claimed that a call was made to her in Florida by one of Michaels people, with Michael being in the background saying please come and see me.....who was the person making the call I wonder. Murray? Frank? Tohme Tohme? Security?

There has to be people around Michael aware of his health and what he wanted in the run up to his death.
 
See, that is why we need to be so careful what we say. I watched Klein and he categorically denied giving MJ any pain meds beyong what his procedure required. This is like chines whispers here, we need to be more careful of the rumours we unwittingly spread.

Secondly, if you are a patient, and you think your doctor is not optimizing your treatment what are you going to do? Now this is all hypothetically speaking. You cannot create laws against this type of thing because quite often we have to "doctor shop" to get the treatment we know/think we need,

Now, hypothetically speaking, if there is a chronic disease, (not necessarily terminal) that needs pain control, doctors should be cautious, but not too stingy, in prescribing and alloting adequate pain control. Alot of the pain medications are quite safe providing there isn't an overdose. People can get morphine at home, orally without a dr.s constant eye watching. I think there is more to this than meet the eyes which had less to do with any addiction and more to do with a genuine need.

Now this is all speculation, and I feel really bad about it so I am going to stop right now.
 
Trish said:
According to CNN (Larry King Live w/ Jim Moret) The L.A. Police Chief on record as saying that Michael's death either a HOMICIDE or accidental overdose.

Parents/Jackson family are aware of possible criminal prosecution. The segment just went off but the show will have more MJ news. It will also re-air later tonight.
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Screamin said:
OMG ,my heart jumped at the sight of the word HOMICIDE!
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Yes it is/was homicide; but it will be covered up. The toxicology report willl be fixed;to as always to agree with the media. Funny how the media knew MJ was dying last Dec. 22, 2008 and already prepared for what eventually happened. Why was there a 20 - 50 minute delay untill 911 was called? Was he already dead before the call was made? Just think the "official" 9/11 report and all the holes in that. Jackson may have taken percription drugs but he was not an addict. How could he pass a physical to be inssured by Lloyds of London yet be in the shape the media and their "experts" "MJ close friends"now all claim. The LAPD will do the same wonderful investigation they did on who really murdered Nichole Brown and Goldman(and it was not O J)

But yes it was Homicide there was too much riding on MJ not doing the concerts and never to be independent, nor liberated from his "cash poor" status.
 
Why would a Dr. be calling a nurse for a consult???lol.

I don't believe the nurse anywayz.
 
dancingthedream said:
'...Parents/Jackson family are aware of possible criminal prosecution.'

What does this mean?
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This means they(Jacksons) know or suppect that Michael Jackson was murdered.

Heads up people:

The entire corporate media had/ has a vendetta and negative agenda against Michael Jackson for the last 16 years why?

The music entertainment industry also worked against him not recertifting his sales, no radio play, systematic psuedo lawsuits.

False allegations about everything he did.

How do we really know MJ was in "so much pain". If this were true why the 50 date tour?

Why was Randy Phillips and Kenny Ortega aswell as the dancers all SHOCKED at the news of his sudden death? Maybe because he was okay and the "scandal by daeth viola the media and their perps are at it again.

Remember 1993 and 2005 they lied then and they are lying now.
 
What bothers me is that I've heard reports that the insurance policy that AEG had actually covered an overdose, should it ever occur... Which says to me, that they knew he had an issue with prescription drugs at the time they took the policy out...
 
Chrystal said:
A couple of years ago when he was getting hooked, his sisters went round with one of the brothers but he refused to let them in. Katherine phoned him and he ignored the phone.

With all the security Michael had, it would have been easy to ignore people.

He obviously knew he had an addiction. I suppose its like telling you to not have that next drink when you go out or not to light up that next cigarette.

I picked up a magazine today which says he was (I think he came off) addicted to heroin! I haven't read the mag yet but i saw this as I was flicking through.
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well in that case why don't you make a summary of all the tabloid articles so we can learn what was really going on in Michael's life since you seem to believe every single thing the media regurgitates
we have to know how to draw a line between tabloid and facts. as MJ fans we should already be accustomed to that. for Michael the thought that even his fans would fall into the media trap brought him to despair we shouldn't forget that
 
Originally Posted by ashtanga
Ok. Are investigating. But there is one thing that disturbs me from the day on June 25. Why not the police banned the house on the 25th? I remember that when the ambulance left the house, the police was already there and some trucks on the same day of change were in place to take things for Michael. It is a big question: entered the house, fuses at house and only after the police banned the house to investigate?​
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Because this is all scam. They planted the drugs. Prove MJ was in all this pain first. Just because the media and their perps say it does not make it true.
 
May I ask just one question:

Has it been proven that Michael indeed was addicted to any kind of prescription medicine that is comparable to Demerol?
Because at the moment, it seems that the discussion so far is based more on rumors then on facts. And I think its kind of insensitive to so easily buy in to the stories about his drug abuse, as it seems to me that most of this is hearsay/ gossip/ tabloid stories.

I think maybe we should just wait for while and see what is indeed true, and whats not.
And even if Michael can not be hurt by the speculation anymore, his children are very mutch alive and in a vulnerable state............
 
JazmyneDraven said:
What bothers me is that I've heard reports that the insurance policy that AEG had actually covered an overdose, should it ever occur... Which says to me, that they knew he had an issue with prescription drugs at the time they took the policy out...
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Or they knew he was someones target. If all this were true why do the tour at all? Why not wait?

Why are you people totally believeing everything the media is saying without proof?

Look at how he "died".

His personal doctor(a cardiologist) is with him AT THE TIME.
He supposedly ODs or has a "heart attack".
No 911 call untill 30 -50 min. later, why?
CPR performed incorrectly.
The doctor disappears then returns with hired lawyers.
Death certificate unsigned; cause of death is still unknown; yet the media is giving 100s of way MJ did to himself?

Wake up people

The media blames MJ and says he was a drug addict and in pain all the time. He took the wrong dosage.

Go back and look at MJ before when the concerts the main buzz he was not in constant pain nor was he a druggy.
 
hat bothers me is that I've heard reports that the insurance policy that AEG had actually covered an overdose, should it ever occur... Which says to me, that they knew he had an issue with prescription drugs at the time they took the policy out..
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thatwas denied by the insurance
 
HemlockDevi said:
This means they(Jacksons) know or suppect that Michael Jackson was murdered.

Heads up people:

The entire corporate media had/ has a vendetta and negative agenda against Michael Jackson for the last 16 years why?

The music entertainment industry also worked against him not recertifting his sales, no radio play, systematic psuedo lawsuits.

False allegations about everything he did.

How do we really know MJ was in "so much pain". If this were true why the 50 date tour?

Why was Randy Phillips and Kenny Ortega aswell as the dancers all SHOCKED at the news of his sudden death? Maybe because he was okay and the "scandal by daeth viola the media and their perps are at it again.

Remember 1993 and 2005 they lied then and they are lying now.
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Leave NO stone unturned. QUESTION EVERYTHING.

NO one is innocent in this. Everyone has blood on their hands because they all contributed in some way to his death.
 
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