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L.A. Police Chief: Homicide or Accidental Overdose

I have no idea what happened to Michael, I just hope it was eaither an accidental overdose caused by incompedent advice/negligence from one of Michael's doctors. I hope it wasn't murder, as I hate the thought of anyone intentionally harming Michael.
 
BruceWayne said:
Yeah basically meaning that either Michael took an overdose or someone else gave him one.

I have a hard time thinking anyone around him would like to take his life, Michael is the one paying their bills.
No Michael = no money for them.
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Yeah I know, but I was uneasy reading it, so.....
 
The only way the news of Michael's death could get worse is when it is discovered he should still be here and the death was in no way natural. Added to this, is if it is manslaughter or murder or overdose, his death COULD and SHOULD have been prevented. Feel sick, ugh.
 
I know Michael had an addiction to demrol in 1993 brought on from the stress of false abuse allegations. But in general I find it hard to believe Michael was a drug addict, as Michael was always very strong and adiment in his views about people and specifically artists who do drugs and abuse their bodies. In an online webchat interview with Anthony De Curtis in 2001 Michael made his views on looking after your body very clear.

I believe Michael was given bad advice by a doctor, with too much or unessacery medication that caused Michael to die. Wheather that was an accident or murder I don't know.

I always felt Michael should have moved away from the USA after 1993. I just think he would have been safer in another country.
 
Hey friends!

I always watch "Medical Detectives" and I'm always amazed by their jobs!! Whenever I read stuff about Police I immediately think about that tv show Medical Detectives.
I'm brazilian, and like I said before, I'm amazed by the USA investigation job! I go like "wow!! their job is incredible! they can find anything, I mean ANYTHING!"
But what about now?? Where are they?? Are they really working hard in that case?? Where is the "Medical Detectives" now?? WHERE?????? :boohoo:
 
Do you guys not remember the interview with his nurse? the woman he phoned the night before and she couldn't get to him cos she was in Florida? She told him not to take the Demerol cos if he did, he might not wake up.

He also took pain killers because the Demerol, ironically, gave him pain (even tho Demerol was an anaesthetic) so he used to take the pain killers to numb the pain of Demerol. It was a concoction of these that could have (and which did) stop the heart.

I think this is the case but we shall see... or will we? Something big like this will undoubtedly be covered up. We all know what the paps and tabloids are like... we will probably never know the truth.
 
Yeah, it is so tragic. For the past eight years almost I have seen him make a career in the court and the media and not for his music. I mean after 1993 he still managed to release new music with decent promotion and backed up by a new tour. But now since the fall of 2001 or should we say spring 2002 he couldn't focus on his musical career. Because Sony didn´t want to continue with the promotion of the album Invincible which led to Michael wasn´t in the video Cry and the upcoming single Butterflies was withdrawn like the rest of the singles. Then with the Blanket incident and Avram court case in 2002. In 2003 the Bashir crap documentary and when Michael released the album Number Ones the police hit with the razzia and Michael was stuck in that court mud in 2004 and 2005. 2005 through 2009 he was involved in countless of lawsuit that allege he owed money, he is anti-semite, he caused another patients death, breaching contract and so on. Now that he is gone, he must be involved into another court issue :(
 
I still say something just isn't right. It would not matter to me if he had a problem. It would only make me love him more and be even more amazed at what he was doing if he was that consumed with meds. However, TMZ listed meds from the raids on Neverland. It's not a million miles long and you are dealing with pain-killers, anxiety medication, and possibly these anethesias. With the exception of the last, without medical records, we can't say he didn't need the medicines or how often he was actually taking them. And I still can't get that he was so clear minded around so many people, including Mark Lester and the TII team, in these recent months. Also there is a note referred to on TMZ that they say appeared to be Michael's writing in which he makes reference to a medication being recommended to him; he states that the med. would be good because it can't lead to addiction. If he was concerned about being addicted and these people were giving him meds that led to addictions but telling him otherwise, that is nothing but disgraceful behavior and shouldn't just go by the waistside.
 
IMO, Michael did update his WILL...., and I can not recollect that Branca would be the one who would conspire against Michael.... he was the one who helped Michael to arrange buying ATV and then the merging with Sony! (have you got any details in the alleged conspiracy????)

Its impossible to imagine that the during investigation and trial in 2003-2005 Thomas Mesaereau wouldnt advise Michael to update his will!

Or at least... after the trial.
 
I want to know WHY. Why if he truly was addicted to something his family/friends/employees didn't do something?
I can tell you right now, I would never be scared of Michael. What's he gonna do? Hit me? Sue me? Bite me? I would have pushed him into rehab. If he wouldn't go, I'd gather enough proof to have him locked up. Better to be locked in rehab alive, than where he is now.
The hell is wrong with people?
 
MichaelYoureAStud said:
I want to know WHY. Why if he truly was addicted to something his family/friends/employees didn't do something?
I can tell you right now, I would never be scared of Michael. What's he gonna do? Hit me? Sue me? Bite me? I would have pushed him into rehab. If he wouldn't go, I'd gather enough proof to have him locked up. Better to be locked in rehab alive, than where he is now.
The hell is wrong with people?
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This is something I think of everyday. Although sometimes no matter how hard you try, the person can always go right back to their old ways. It eats away at my heart though to think that this has happened, yet it so easily could have and should have been stopped.
 
Chrystal said:
Do you guys not remember the interview with his nurse? the woman he phoned the night before and she couldn't get to him cos she was in Florida? She told him not to take the Demerol cos if he did, he might not wake up.

He also took pain killers because the Demerol, ironically, gave him pain (even tho Demerol was an anaesthetic) so he used to take the pain killers to numb the pain of Demerol. It was a concoction of these that could have (and which did) stop the heart.
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But, when the autopsy results mentioned the contents of his stomach, they didn't mention any residue from pills. Maybe they disolved quickly....God this makes me feel so much pain. :(
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Superstition said:
A person has to want help. Simple as. You cannot force help on a person.
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true that but maybe he just really did take Medicine's that doc's prescribed cause he was in pain but what they were doing was taking his money and giving him these things and getting him hooked :(
 
'...Parents/Jackson family are aware of possible criminal prosecution.'

What does this mean?
 
MJstarlight said:
I felt they did something to Michael so he wouldnt be able to go to his tour.
Something is wrong about this all. Michael looked so healthy in the rehearsal pictures. Michael wouldnt be sleeping in the afternoon would he? Why was this doctor with him? I have so many questions, I dont want to think the worst but im so scared about what really did happen.
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Sadly b/c I think that Michael knew the risks of taking the demerol, and figured that if something did go wrong, the 'cardiologist' would know what to do.

I just wanna scream at Mike, cry and scream...why didn't he heed to the advice? Jesus, I know the man needed rest but, he should have listened.
 
MichaelYoureAStud said:
I want to know WHY. Why if he truly was addicted to something his family/friends/employees didn't do something?
I can tell you right now, I would never be scared of Michael. What's he gonna do? Hit me? Sue me? Bite me? I would have pushed him into rehab. If he wouldn't go, I'd gather enough proof to have him locked up. Better to be locked in rehab alive, than where he is now.
The hell is wrong with people?
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yes :( so true.
 
I think it was an accident. If anything..maybe manslaughter because of administering him with whatever it was..but for murder there has to be motive..WHY would the doctor want to kill Michael??

Michael wanted to sleep, his doctor gave him this drug, unfortunately something terrible happened - bad reaction/neglegence in observation & monitoring...
 
You can't force or push someone into rehab. Its has to be their choice, or it won't be of ANY benefit. I'm sure if Michael was determined to do something/ get something he would be able to do it/get it. Just because people were in awe of him. I have heard reports that the family were concerned, I've even heard reports that he did go to rehab at one point..I don't know how true this is? It wouldn't make me love Michael any less if he did have an addiction. The addicted person isn't the one in the wrong or the one that should be ashamed, its whoever is providing the drug.
MichaelYoureAStud said:
I want to know WHY. Why if he truly was addicted to something his family/friends/employees didn't do something?
I can tell you right now, I would never be scared of Michael. What's he gonna do? Hit me? Sue me? Bite me? I would have pushed him into rehab. If he wouldn't go, I'd gather enough proof to have him locked up. Better to be locked in rehab alive, than where he is now.
The hell is wrong with people?
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Trying to read through this thread and understand what is said is making my head spin.

If anyone can clarify this for me i would be very grateful:

1. LAPD said that it was either homocide or accidental overdose?

2. The addiction that in fact has been "proven" is to Demerol ( synthetic morphine), that started due to back pain, and became an addiction that he needed help to get over?

3. There are numerous people that claim that he was still addicted to various medication, but its so far not clear wether he did take this pills or not?

4. He did pass the medical exam, done by independent doctors sent by the insurance company?

5. There are claims that he used Diprivan ( anasthetic drug that has to be administered by someone else, and has to be delivered through a vein- intrevenously (sp?)). This means that he himself could not have controlled the situation, he was in the care of someone who would monitor the situation. One simply cannot do this alone?

6. Michael had vitiligo and lupus, both conditions that meant that he needed some types of medication on a regular basis, to keep the conditions in check?

7. Lupus can cause pain, and it would therefor propably be prescription medicine in his house?

8. The doctor seemes to have been messing up, as it is claimed that he "found" Michael on the bed, not breathing?

This part is what I don`t get to add up with the Diprivan theory, as administring that drug needs close monitoring, both to prevent an overdose- but also for the desired effect to occur ( for Michael to get continous administration of the drug so hat he gets the rest that is desired...)?

9. The autopsy report has indeed not been published- the one people are refering to is the one that has been confirmed as fake? Witch means that we do not know what was in his stomach, or in his system.

Conclusion: if he did take pills of some kind, it could be accidental overdose. If it was Diprivan, that require the help of someone else it is homocide?

I hate to discuss this, but in a way I hope that the truth gets out. :(
 
In reading the comments, are some of you getting the demerol and the diprovan mixed up?

I think the demerol is a pill right? The diprovan is an IV drip right?
 
According to Sanjay Gupta, CNN Medical Correspondent, Diprivan might not be able to be found 'cause it dissolves very quickly, but yet again according to the article TSCM posted there are ways to detect it.

So much info about all this...hope we get to know the truth.
 
Lacey said:
Actually, the doctors can and do check pharmacies. I guess it's easier if you have money, but no matter what, to prescribe controlled substances a doctor has to have a DEA number, and if that number is used to prescribe excessively, it would be flagged and checked. Especially if it was the same patient. Of course, false names could be used, but then it would be the doctor doing something illegal. And, of course, there would have to be a legitimate and verifiable reason to give that particular prescription. If a doctor had a legitimate concern, he could ask the patient when they last had a prescription and where it was filled/what pharmacies they use. The doctor can then call and ask several pharmacies if and when it was done. As you said, several pharmacies could be used, but eventually it would double up. I do know this because I am a medical transcriptionist and several times patients have been denied prescriptions because of questions asked and pharmacies checked.
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Hi Lacey,

Thanks for the info!

It does sound like there isn't a central database a doctor or pharmacist could check to find out a patient's history, or is there? Would the DEA be able to check?

Thanks again for the info!
 
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