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L.A. Police Chief: Homicide or Accidental Overdose

JustaFan2009 said:
If a person has the money they can go to all the doctors they want and get prescriptions. If you lie to the doctor and tell them you aren't getting drugs from another source they really don't have anyway of checking so I feel they can't be held responsible. Even if the doctor suspects something is amiss I'm not sure what they could do other than just totally refuse to treat them. It's not like they could just call up some other doctors and ask them if they were prescribing something for Michael Jackson - I don't think the law would allow that.

And drug stores - unless the prescriptions are being filled that the same store/chain and/or under the same name I doubt they would have a clue either.

I'm not saying that is what happened in MJ's case but at some point personal responsibility/accountability should kick in and if not then it is up to the friends and family but that would be pretty difficult if the person has private security. You just couldn't barge in and do an intervention.
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Actually, the doctors can and do check pharmacies. I guess it's easier if you have money, but no matter what, to prescribe controlled substances a doctor has to have a DEA number, and if that number is used to prescribe excessively, it would be flagged and checked. Especially if it was the same patient. Of course, false names could be used, but then it would be the doctor doing something illegal. And, of course, there would have to be a legitimate and verifiable reason to give that particular prescription. If a doctor had a legitimate concern, he could ask the patient when they last had a prescription and where it was filled/what pharmacies they use. The doctor can then call and ask several pharmacies if and when it was done. As you said, several pharmacies could be used, but eventually it would double up. I do know this because I am a medical transcriptionist and several times patients have been denied prescriptions because of questions asked and pharmacies checked.
 
My 10 cents:

Regardless of whether Diprovan is found (sp) or not, my understanding is that it is ILLEGAL to prescribe narcotic-type medications to an addict, which Michael admittedly was, since there is no cure for it.

So, some doctor(s) is in trouble either way IF they are found to have prescribed/given them to him with or without his knowledge.

IF Diprovan is present, then some doctor(s)/hospital/distributor and anyone else connected to any transaction is at the very least subject to being criminally charged with aiding and abetting.

As for Dr. Murray, I think negligent homicide minimum, no matter what.
 
Even if he was addicted to prescription drugs, it's not going to change the way I feel about him. I've had jobs in the film industry, and very few entertainers go all their life without treading that path - and there's a good reason for that, that's not a coincidence. The enormous amount of pressure plus the sheer vulnerability of most artistic people can be very dangerous, especially if they have yes-people surrounding them. Even if Michael was addicted to prescription drugs, it didn't have to go wrong. Plenty of famous actors take in more cocaine a day than a person should take in in a week. Prescription drugs did not necessarily have to be the end of him, if the administering doctor would have been at least somewhat conscious about what was going on. Overdosing means a lot of drugs, not just drugs.

The essential problem is the yes-men. The yes-men everywhere, the people who are for sale. Yes, Michael had a lot of money and could have gone to any doctor if this one hadn't given him what he wanted, but this doctor wasn't stupid. I highly doubt that. There's crossing the line in prescribing drugs, and nodding yes when someone - who is clearly addicted and/or under the influence - asks for too much.

I don't think less of Michael at all. I wonder at what point the doctor realized that they were crossing a dangerous-amount line and just kept going. But maybe I'm wrong, I don't know too much about prescription drugs. All I know is that the doctor did.
 
I always had the feeling it was omicide, and not for an error. Diprivan is something people use to go in a kind of coma, not for sleeping. So if a doctor used it not in a hospital and not for an operation, it is omicide, and it's hard to believed something like that is accidental.
If it was an accidental meds overdose, so it was already written, many hypochondriacs dies young. The problem is that doctors should give them placebos and not real meds... and here still I have so many doubts... and if he took those because he was really sick then the death might have been unavoidable.

RIP Michael
 
Man Michael why didnt u just a sleeping pill from a drug store??? Damn!!! instead going tho all of this
 
JustaFan2009.

What you insinuated about non-traceability of drugs is not quite true.

With certain strong medication, given through prescription, there is an absolute necessity for Doctors and Pharmacists to 'prove' who the medication was given to and when. This is one of the major reasons that certain drugs are given through prescription.

If a Doctor or Pharmacist are proven to not have adequate/accurate records, or they have given medication to people 'recklessly', then they can be punished by law and even 'struck off' and no longer allowed to practice.

Doctors are paid very highly, quite rightly, but with this comes a massive amount of responsibility towards patient care. Doctor 'ignorance' is never taken as a defense when a patient's health is compromised by a 'failure of duty to care'.

I see you are trying to put the onus on MJ for is own health - which is all well and good when someone hasn't had 15 years of 'hell - but a Doctor is supposed to protect the vulnerable in his care. Poor Michael was certainly 'vulnerable'.
 
MichaelYoureAStud said:
We're all afraid.
We don't want to think *murder* or *drug addict* yet the media is trying to spin both.
Also, will whatever comes out change the way some of us feel about Michael? Will this lessen the way we feel for him?
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Michael is King not God, so therefore he was not perfect. I am sure if we all decided to dig into the personal affairs of every celebrity or media person we could find something that isn't to everyone's liking.
I just pray that if something illegal did happen concerning those doctors then the authorities need to jump on it ASAP..
 
Angie85 said:
Even if he was addicted to prescription drugs, it's not going to change the way I feel about him. I've had jobs in the film industry, and very few entertainers go all their life without treading that path - and there's a good reason for that, that's not a coincidence. The enormous amount of pressure plus the sheer vulnerability of most artistic people can be very dangerous, especially if they have yes-people surrounding them. Even if Michael was addicted to prescription drugs, it didn't have to go wrong. Plenty of famous actors take in more cocaine a day than a person should take in in a week. Prescription drugs did not necessarily have to be the end of him, if the administering doctor would have been at least somewhat conscious about what was going on. Overdosing means a lot of drugs, not just drugs.

The essential problem is the yes-men. The yes-men everywhere, the people who are for sale. Yes, Michael had a lot of money and could have gone to any doctor if this one hadn't given him what he wanted, but this doctor wasn't stupid. I highly doubt that. There's crossing the line in prescribing drugs, and nodding yes when someone - who is clearly addicted and/or under the influence - asks for too much.

I don't think less of Michael at all. I wonder at what point the doctor realized that they were crossing a dangerous-amount line and just kept going. But maybe I'm wrong, I don't know too much about prescription drugs. All I know is that the doctor did.
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I agree with this 110%! :yes: This sums up my opinion in it's totality...
 
I think it's accedental overdose.. no reason to KILL Michael..
And no ofcourse it doesent change my view in him.. Nono.. Be shure of that..

Michael if you ar watching us all from the sky, I hope that you know that.
We understand you, we love you, and we support you even in your death!
:heart::angel::heart:
 
Michael wouldn't take an overdose himself unless the doctor gave him too much of something. To me it's clear from day one.
 
The title and this whole thread have torn me all over again..... I'm just sad and angry beyond words....

God, and when I remember Michael on Barbara Walters... : "Please don't let it be me next"....

I was never the person to look for someone to throw the blame on, but in this case, I'm sure there is someone to blame. And if the police don't do something about it, the fans will (and I'm not saying that as a threat, but as someone who knows how much fans loved that man).

Gutted. Such a tragedy should have never happened.
 
I kinda hope he was murdered. This way someone will pay. If its accidental overdose, the doctors who supplied him with it will probably get away with it?
 
How can't you see it??????????????????
Michael was murdered either way!
If it's because "accidental overdose" WHO gave him this shit??? Who told him that it's safe???
And maybe the "doctor" gave this shit to Michael when he was asleep????????
Look at the last photos of MJ, look at the video of the rehearsals, read what people who worked with MJ, talked with him and see him just a few hours before he died.
That's not look like a person who is addicted to pain killers or whatever it was!!!!!!!!!!

Can't you see that he was a MURDER????????????????????????????????
 
I hope he didn't take an accidental overdose because the media will just twist it and make Michael look bad.

Aww my angel, I love him so much! :wub: :cry:
 
why they can't accept that his heart just stoped?let Michael rest in peace!
 
arent the police just stating the obvious with this statement. its gonna be one or the other either way
 
TSCM said:
I just truly hope that the LAPD is sincere and professional in their investigation (despite not boarding off the property after the incident and allowing four days to lapse before searching it)... After all, they are the ones who spent millions alongside Santa Barbara just to try and indict Michael in the 90s, I really do have a distrust in them and their practices.
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hopespringseternal said:
I think the LAPD is blowing smoke so they can say see we did an investigation but the guy killed himself taking too many drugs. The LAPD treating Michael right is about as believable as Santa Claus.
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vstreet said:
I do NOT care what they say.

The LAPD is corrupt -- based on my own personal experiences, I DO NOT TRUST THEM. Even if murder charges are filed, they will MUCK this up BIG time and they have already done so (in my opinion).
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I'm on the same page...Think about what the police did when Michael was alive. I don't think they will do something now. I'm very skeptical about the possibility that they will do their best.
 
I remember during the trial in 2005 Tom Mesereau mentioned people who conspirated against Michael in order to force Michael to sell his 50 % share of the Sony/ATV Catalog to Sony. Among those co-conspirators he mentioned was John Branca, Arnold Klein and suprisingly Brett Ratner. But that was a long time ago and I don´t know if that was true or not if Tom Mesereau said that.
 
john13th said:
I remember during the trial in 2005 Tom Mesereau mentioned people who conspirated against Michael in order to force Michael to sell his 50 % share of the Sony/ATV Catalog to Sony. Among those co-conspirators he mentioned was John Branca, Arnold Klein and suprisingly Brett Ratner. But that was a long time ago and I don´t know if that was true or not if Tom Mesereau said that.
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Really? Source please
I hope none of the advisers, doctors, friends got the beatles catalogue.
If Arnold Klein is in this, then I know why he donated sperm. o_O
 
Really? Source please
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it was said in court inregards to branca. branca was been investigated by a P.I interms of setting up some off shore bank account for mottola. but the investigation never got completed as weisner and co had mj sack the guy who was doing the investigation .not sure if the other 2 were actually named in court or if it was just media talk
 
elusive moonwalker said:
it was said in court inregards to branca. branca was been investigated by a P.I interms of setting up some off shore bank account for mottola. but the investigation never got completed as weisner and co had mj sack the guy who was doing the investigation .not sure if the other 2 were actually named in court or if it was just media talk
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okay...yes, I recalled that. This leads me to believe that there's an updated will!!!!! and, as said in another thread by that spiritual advisor, I think there must be an updated will!
 
I have never believed Michael suffered a cardiac arrest. They are trying so hard to prove that Michael was a drug addict. The question is why???!!!

In my opinion the so called Doctor wasn’t working alone. Why wait 45 mins to call 911 and top of that he didn’t know how to do CPR and didn’t know the address.

The whole system is corrupted, why I’m not surprised? One thing is for sure they killed Michael, I have been saying that since day one. Excuse my English.
 
if Michael did an updated Will and those people who were involved in drafting/knowing about it decided not to put if forward then I guess that it goes back to the 2002 Will.

I believe Michael did updated his Will, I remember it was reported late last year but I cannot find the article now, Gone!!
 
It is terribly sad to realise that Michael might have his day in court AGAIN. I thought the trials and tribulations were over! It looks like what the news reporters were saying were true. The MJ saga continues...
 
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