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MJ's Team Shutting out & Blockin the Family?

Soso Deaf said:
i think hate is a strong word

i was in court when the FOOL fell asleep. he sat behind the real lawyers, like the kid chair or whatever. he was fired for a reason, he's lying for a reason, and he's pathetic for a reason.

best oxman quote 'one day i told the family that...one day mj will WAKE UP DEAD....and'

um....wtf? how does that happen? y is he saying it NOW? if u were a real friend, u would'vecalled mj out. put his ass on blast, threaten to take his kids. have everyone on now who is sayin gthe same thing, chopra bodyguards minelli gellar etc...to side w/ u an dthen make him do something. make him respond.

u didn't. now he'spassed. so let it go. u can say all u want about what u SAID but show me what you DID. nothing so sit down and shut up.

that's just mho
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LOL! Stop. Did he fall asleep Katie? Dang!
 
yes, girl his ass was knocked out. they had to slap him...it was embarassing.

then to save face he had an attack in the courtroom. please...he was and still is a mess

and classic, im just wondering b/c many thought that due to the trial, he made a new will. more updated
 
qbee said:
Thats ridiculas _ Michale was in no prison
no one was keeping mj drugged up and prisoner for 24/7
Mj was makin ghis OWN decisions about his personal life

Michael had his mind and his freedom to come and go as he pleased he was visiting his
dermatologist and shopping 2 & 3 times a week. He knew what he was doing quite trying
to make him out to be incapacitated person that was held againts his will

That would be a terribe lie and Legacy for MJ -

Michael himself always blocked his family and certain people
at his discretion for years _ and that is nothing NEW or is it strange
this had been going on for years_ so for people to say it was odd
behaviour or the fault of AEG is ridiculas ..

That was Michaels decision to block certain people
including his family .. when he felt pressured he has
always done this and fans that have followed MJ for
years , decades know this .
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gbee, I know it is very difficult to even consider someone whose life we've viewed through the years as being larger than life to in actuality, "Possibly' be more disturbing and insulated than we can ever imagine. We are only trying to get at the truth from the information thats being disemenated, some of which matches from different sources.

About Michael being a prisoner, some of his own lyrics in his own words through the years may help you to understand exactly how he may have felt. As I said before, on an ABC show with Diane Sawyer, one of the Casio boys ( i think) said, Michael was living like a "prisoner" in his own home. He went on to say, he had never seen anything like it. I remember the sad look in his face. It was the first time I had seen one of the Casio's. I didn't know who they were at first.

I do believe, that many of times in the past, Michael himself grew tired of his family and other people for that fact wanting things from him. I do believe he may have told his team about his disgust in wanting to see certain family members of whom he felt would ask or beg for money or get on his nerves for whatever reason. This happens in all families, inclduing mine and yours.

But real human concern as well as common sense should have told his current Team to allow the family to come in and help their boss, let them in through the gates or allow their calls to get through.

The fact that they didn't,,,,,,could it be due to what his sister Latoya said: Michael is worth more to them dead than alive.

Follow the money. Don't we see some cashing in right about now?
 
Soso Deaf said:
oh,lol it's ok

brian is really a piece of work. he likened mj's dangling of blanket to raffikki dangling simba and said it was an african tradition. wtf?

THE MAN HAS NO SENSE and he was put on mj's team so they could watch him and his big damn mouth. once he went too far, mez gave him a fourty-five minute berating screamfest in the parkinglot at the courthouse and he was gone
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Saay wahhhhht?! :hysterical:



I wish mez would stayed in close contact with michael:(. Someone who gave to pennies about mike well being.

I didn't like brian cuz I thought he didn't know what he was talking about, didn't know michael and just went on tv making up stuff, for his 15 nano seconds of fame every chance he got. Imo ppl who run on every cable newstation aren't trustworthy.
 
Vncwilliam, Michael being called "Naive" isn't at all biased. His own mother during an interview with Rita Crosby formely of Foxnews ( i think), admitted that her son was naive. She blamed herself for sheltering them. Also several of Michael's siblings have all stated the same about him being Naive and them having a sheltered life growing up. I believe Geraldo Rivera also touched on this subject with MJ during an interview.

Michael's own actions through the years suggest he was indeed a very naive man who didn't always have the best people around him who gave him the best advice that would put him first.
 
brian knows what he's talking about. he's just guilty of doing nothing when the time called for it. he's doing NOW what he should've done then and it's pathetic.

it's cascio and yes, mj was a prisoner. listen to the man's lyrics for god's sake. xcape or shout....i mean damn, this world sux and no one was doing anything to make it better.





i only wish he got what he wanted and was able to get away.








Michael Jackson

Xcape



Intro (Prison guard)

Open up 6,

He’s gone!



Everywhere I turn, no matter where I look,

The systems in control, it's all ran by the book,

I've got to get away so I can clear my mind,

Xcape is what I need, away from electric eyes



No matter where I am, I seen my face around,

They pin lies on my name, and push them from town to town,

Don't have a place to run, but there's no need to hide,

I've got to, find a place,

So I won't hide away



Xcape, got to get away from a system lose in the world today

Xcape, the pressure that I face from relationships that go away

Xcape, the man with the pen that writes the lies that hassle this man

Xcape, I do what I wanna cause I gotta face nobody but me



(Girl)

Sometimes I feel like

I've gotta get away



I tried to share my life with someone I could love

But games and money is all she ever thought of

How could that be my fault when she gambled and lost?

I'm tired of silly games, its time to make a change



Why is it I can't do whatever I want to? (oh)

Went in my personal life and I don't live for you (you)

So don't you try to tell me what is right for me (try it)

You be concerned about you, I can do what I want to



Xcape, (hoo-hoo) (oh, no)

got to get away from a system loose in the world today

(I've got to get away)

Xcape,

the pressure that I face from relationships that go away

(don't you know I need it?)

Xcape,

the man with the pen that writes the lies that hassle this man

(I've got to get away)

Xcape,

I do what I wanna cause I gotta face nobody but me

(get away)

Xcape,

(don't you try it)

got to get away from a system lose in the world today

Xcape,

the pressure that I face from relationships that go away

(pressure that I'm facing every day)

Xcape,

(hoo-hoo)

the man with the pen that writes the lies that hassle this man

(come on, now)

Xcape,

(come on, now)

I do what I wanna cause I gotta face nobody but me

(hoo-hoo)

Bridge

When I go, (oh, go) this problem world won't bother me no more

(This problem world won't bother me no more)

(problem world, bother me, yeah, oh, yeah, hoo)

Xcape

Xcape

Xcape

Xcape

Xcape, got to get away from a system lose in the world today

(I've got to find a way)

Xcape, the pressure that I face from relationships that go away

(pressure that I'm facing)

Xcape, the man with the pen that writes the lies that hassle this man

(why I wanna fly)

Xcape, I do what I wanna cause I gotta face nobody but me

(I do what I wanna, hoo-hoo)



Xcape, got to get away from a system lose in the world today

Xcape, the pressure that I face from relationships that go away

Xcape, the man with the pen that writes the lies that hassle this man

Xcape, I do what I wanna cause I gotta face nobody but me (hoo-hoo)



Xcape, got to get away

(I've got find a way)

Xcape, the pressure that I face

(can't take it no more)

Xcape, the man with the pen

(I can't take this no more)

Xcape, I do what I wanna cause I gotta face nobody but me

Xcape (auow!)

(You ain't my mother)

Xcape

Got to get away

Xcape

The pressure that I face

Xcape

The man with the pen (get away)

Xcape

I do what I wanna

I do what I wanna cause I gotta face nobody but me (hee-hee-hee)

(Hoo)

Xcape

(what for? I can't take this kind of shit no more!)

Xcape till fade

You Want me? Come and get me.
 
soso def, you are connecting the dots. With the xscape lyrics and what we know today; its not hard to began to piece certain things together is it?

You may have already known but this way maybe others can start to see it as well.

Thanks for those lyrics been a while since I had seen them.
 
well, maybe I look at MJ's family and his lifestyle differently because I've kinda been there done that with the Jehovah Witness, sheltered life, naive way of thinking once I got into the real world.

I think some of what we hear has a "hint" of truth to it. A lot of us have relatives/friends we don't want to hear from some days, then miss them weeks or months later. People who seem to call us only when they want something or are negative so you basically don't want to hear from them...so you don't.

MJ had the resources to say, I don't want to talk to so-n-so today...depending on how often it changed, probably confused the people that worked for him too! lol

MJ has fired people. Re-hired people. I think he had control, but there were things that did not go right in his life...as well as all of us.

Most of us has had phony friends, who lied about us, lied on us, and even started fights! We even have relatives that we keep accepting back into our lives that treat us bad too.

I believe MJ's life was almost as normal as the next person's with the exception of the cameras and the EXTRA people gossiping. I've had so many people lie on me, I couldn't imagine 200 more people doing it for a dollar or two!

I'm sure he was lonely. We've been there too, but as some of us have seen in videos, he did have good times. He had friends who laughed with him, hung out with him, and then there were some bad folks, but unfortunately bad folks are EVERYWHERE. They weren't just in MJ's camp.

Too wrap this up, I can say that if MJ's people couldn't get in touch with him, I'm sure half of it was MJ and the other half was the people he was around. I mean how many times has your brother, sister, or friend said too you, "You should stop talking to him" or "Thats person is just using you." Sometimes you take their advice, other times you ignore it.

It's all a learning process and God bless MJ's soul, he was learning just like the rest of us.

Sidenote: You know I read in a magazine one of his brothers (I think Randy) was hoping MJ gave him a 1.5 million dollar gift? I mean GEEZ, can you imagine being the Go To guy for stuff like that. I'd disconnect my house phone too and change it up, lol.

Can you imagine your phone ringing and your mom saying, "Your brother needs 2 million dollars, you got it? I mean I know you got it, but can you give it? You know he's having a hard time, the economy is bad...."

No seriously, someone mentioned MJ changed his number to escape the media, because they kept getting a hold of it. He had cell phones too, but kept losing them. I saw a picture where Paris had her cell phone on a string around her neck, maybe MJ should've had one too, but then again, the phone calls would start up again.

Also, someone on here posted that a parent should have a phone on in the house. These days, lots of folks don't have landlines. It's all about cell phones. which is good to have when you're not losing them all over the place, lol.
 
iwrite2;2034402 MJ has fired people. Re-hired people. I think he had control said:
I think the major problem michael had with that , was that ppl were properly whispering in his ear saying " Oh that person anit good michael, we will be there for you- we wil help you" so michael being naive belived them and trusted them with his all. But these ppl would stab him hard in the back and he found no way to recover from that. And the ones that were trustworthy, were left behind and properly said "michael we told u so! bad luck its too late!" and they dusted mike off.
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and i KNEW y'all asses wasn't listening to me during teh trial. i said hella times brian's goofy ass fell asleep.

lawd hammercy. it was allhere in blackand white. we just didn't see it then. chalked it up to being creative
 
iwrite2, I enjoyed every word of your post. It was an easy to follow along read and very convinceable if it applied to an average and typical man but again as I posted before. We aren't talking about an average guy with a regular life. This thread and this forum is about, Michael Jackson. Normal thoughts and scenario's can't apply always. Just look at the circumstances surrounding his death.

The fact that we are even talking about his death...
 
Moddie777 said:
The fact that we are even talking about his death...
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is quite scary. I still cant belive that we talking bout his death, for him to die so soon is just beyond anything i could have imagined happening this month.

We should have been talking bout the concerts..NOT HIS DEATH!!!!
The ppl that surronded him cheated not only mike, but cheated us of these concerts.. and i :pray: to god that justice will be served. But i highly doubt that will ever happen. :angry:
 
but here's something i can't keep out of my hand.

let's say teh family was able to intervene.....aeg would've sued, he would've had a hard damn career. fans would've went off on him just like they did when they had to reschedule the dates etc....and it would've been a big mess

we would've bitched about his 'stupid' family that always messes his shit up...not knowing that if they hadn't, he would've died.

hindsight is 20/20 and i wish we were bitching about that right now and not about who or what killed him
 
I'd like to start a list of family members, celeb friends, associates or anyone who have made a public statement about Michael's team blocking and shutting people out. We can also list or add to our list anyone who have said anything about Michael living in isolation.

I believe this may help, those of whom maybe struggling a bit in coming to terms with what is looking to be a possible reality of what Michael's life may have been like.

Here's my try in no particular order

Lisa Marie- on a live interview with Larry King, several years ago, when asked something about Michael( i forgot what the question was) she kept replying by saying: It's the people around him, it's the people around him

Brian Oxman- Recently called MJ employees as "Enablers". Eluding to the fact that they possibly contribute somehow in Michael's death

Tito and Latoya- Both claiming in recent interviews of how the family as shut out/Blocked by Michael's handlers(staff)

Cascio- Not sure which one it was but he stated in an interview a few years ago with Diane Sawyer on ABC, how Michael lived like a prisoner in his own home

Rodney Jerkins-in that same ABC Interview producer Rodney Jerkins said something very powerful too that corroborates this theory but for the life of me, I can not remember it. It there's anyone who can please help me out......

There are others, my brain is on low charge now.

Can aynone else contribute to the list?
 
I think everyone who has once been in mike's life has seen those "enablers" from time 2 time.

What get's me is : why didnt the ppl who knew who these "enablers" are, why didnt they go to the press bout them? or the police???

I mean seriously they should have SHOWN THE WORLD who these creeps were, and not having it the other way round. It was really the fight of good VS evil, and unfortnately looks evil won this time.. :angry:
 
8701girl said:
I think the major problem michael had with that , was that ppl were properly whispering in his ear saying " Oh that person anit good michael, we will be there for you- we wil help you" so michael being naive belived them and trusted them with his all. But these ppl would stab him hard in the back and he found no way to recover from that. And the ones that were trustworthy, were left behind and properly said "michael we told u so! bad luck its too late!" and they dusted mike off.
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I agree completely with this!
 
Soso Deaf said:
but here's something i can't keep out of my hand.

let's say teh family was able to intervene.....aeg would've sued, he would've had a hard damn career. fans would've went off on him just like they did when they had to reschedule the dates etc....and it would've been a big mess

we would've bitched about his 'stupid' family that always messes his shit up...not knowing that if they hadn't, he would've died.

hindsight is 20/20 and i wish we were bitching about that right now and not about who or what killed him
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I have thought about this a lot. If michael woulda survive C.A. or went to rehab. I know there woulda been butt loads of fans complain about michael being stupid. Ppl was calling michael stupid when he switch from mark G to tmez? I thought that was the stupidiest mess. Um who is the one who coulda went to jail. Michael!:mello: Then you had LA fans complaining to michael about the 02 seats being seated. Now aint' that about the dumbest mess. The man already got "the man" and all types of pressure on his neck and fans want to come and complain about seats. They complained about rescheduling. And i know they woulda complain about TII and michael miming or something stupid yet again. I don't even want get into how bad they woulda ripped michael to bits if TII would been cancelled. Also aeg's pressure on michael, the media doggin him out, and him downing him self cuz he woulda felt like he let ppl down would caused ALL TYPES of depression for mike had the shows been cancelled

But mike is a ruff rider and there woulda been a chance for him to dust himself off and start over. Sadly he will never get that chance and this is an unhappy everafter. i would give anything to have michael recovering somewhere and us going in circles getting no where about TII being cancel, who cares about the money you lost etc. But this just ain't right how michael didn't get a second chance and we will never know. Thanks to murry.:puke:
 
vncwilliam said:
i think that's a harsh assessment of fans who don't agree with you. i have been a fan for awhile. quite a while.

and no one has a 'clue' about anyone else's life. people are too busy figuring out themselves to think they have a clue about someone else.
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You don't know WHO I am or based on what I know to think what I think of what happenned.
 
yo let's stop the fighting, please. each is entitled to their opinion and it is such, regardless of what others know and others don't know.just chillax.
 
iwrite2 said:
well, maybe I look at MJ's family and his lifestyle differently because I've kinda been there done that with the Jehovah Witness, sheltered life, naive way of thinking once I got into the real world.
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All of your points were well made and should be taken under consideration.

Well done.
 
8701girl said:
I think everyone who has once been in mike's life has seen those "enablers" from time 2 time.

What get's me is : why didnt the ppl who knew who these "enablers" are, why didnt they go to the press bout them? or the police???

I mean seriously they should have SHOWN THE WORLD who these creeps were, and not having it the other way round. It was really the fight of good VS evil, and unfortnately looks evil won this time.. :angry:
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I feel you on this. I truly believe Michael had some very dangerous and shady people within his tight circle throughout his career. These characters seem to control him to the point of him being their puppet. If you look at the body language of Michael and a few in question from the meetings going and coming from that hotel in beverly hills about the London 02, You'd see how submissive to them Michael appears to be. In many of the pictures with Tohme, Michael seems to be wearing the weight of the world on his shoulders. He looks weary in so many of those pictures. Remember, we had recieved word that Dr. Tohme had been fired then just a few days or so later, there he was again in a picture with Michael going or coming from another meeting. Michael didn't look happy at all, did he?
Could it be that Dr. Tohme really was fired by Michael but somehow becuase our Michael was being purposely drugged ( as his sis reports), in order to manipulate his decisions and take control of his business affairs, Michael felt helpless against those of whom were around him making the 02 demands on him. If this has any fact to it, it falls in line with what has come out; that Michael was being forced by his handlers to do these shows.
And also, if in fact Tohme was fired and refused to leave, someone elese within Michael Team's have to have known about it! Did they do anything, apparently not. Dr. Tohme could not have gotten back in the saddle with Michael if there weren't someone else on Team MJ who reopened the door for him to walk through. In other words if this can be proven it would fall under co-conspiracy, this is something Latoya talked about in her recent interview.

I believe its very possible that the shady, creepy people around Michael made it very clear to the family exactly what may happen if they didn't back off. This is the only thing that makes even the slightest sense to me. This family has lots of money and resources, An Intervention should've been successful, unless they backed off due to some looming threat they believed would effect them or Michael in some capacity. Maybe this is the reason why we didn't hear or see the family going to the authorties and screaming this at the top of their lungs. Maybe this is why they didn't go to the media and put it all out there. Maybe, just maybe there was a threat from his handlers.
Michael is dead now. Something very sinister was going on long before June 25th 2009.
 
Hot Damn!!!!!!! Tonight during Larry King Live, Joe Jackson and Leonard Rowe both confirmed the theory of this thread and much more!

In his own words Leonard Rowe said everything Latoya had stated in her recent interview. He spoke about Michel being manipulated and controled, he said they wanted no one around who had Michael's best interest. He said Michael hired him and told him, he didn't agree to 50 shows, only 10! Leonard Rowe said he himself was getting Blocked and when asked who was doing the blocking and controling, he answered by saying "Aeg". You could also tell, that Rowe was suspicious of Dileo's involvement.

joe Jackson confirmed my suspicions about Dr. Tohme, Joe said he isn't a real doctor and that he WAS FIRED and that he went by 8 different alias's.

The blocking, controling and manipulating was real!!!!!!!

The plot Thickens!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
Moddie777 said:
Hot Damn!!!!!!! Tonight during Larry King Live, Joe Jackson and Leonard Rowe both confirmed the theory of this thread and much more!

In his own words Leonard Rowe said everything Latoya had stated in her recent interview. He spoke about Michel being manipulated and controled, he said they wanted no one around who had Michael's best interest. He said Michael hired him and told him, he didn't agree to 50 shows, only 10! Leonard Rowe said he himself was getting Blocked and when asked who was doing the blocking and controling, he answered by saying "Aeg". You could also tell, that Rowe was suspicious of Dileo's involvement.

joe Jackson confirmed my suspicions about Dr. Tohme, Joe said he isn't a real doctor and that he WAS FIRED and that he went by 8 different alias's.

The blocking, controling and manipulating was real!!!!!!!

The plot Thickens!!!!!!!!!!!!
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This means totally nothing, they didn't say one thing that we haven't already heard 1000 times. They're as much outsiders as most others. We can't rely on ANYONE really.
 
to be honest. mj told rowe to stfu and that honestly, things like this shouldn't be said till everythingcomes out.

joe came off very odd. i want to support him but he aint making it easy
 
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