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in case anyone hasn't read this! (tmz.com)

Dr. Murray to Cops: I Gave Jackson Propofol

Posted Jul 28th 2009 12:21AM by TMZ Staff

Michael Jackson & Dr. Conrad MurrayWe've told you since July 15 police believe Dr. Conrad Murray administered Propofol to Michael Jackson -- the drug that killed him. There's a reason police believe it. Dr. Murray told them.

Two days after Jackson's death, Dr. Murray told LAPD detectives he administered Propofol to the singer hours before he died ... this, according to multiple law enforcement sources.

We're told Dr. Murray gave Jackson an IV drip of the powerful anesthesia. Police believe Dr. Murray simply wasn't paying attention when the singer's heart stopped beating.

Authorities believe Dr. Murray may have actually fallen asleep during the time the drug was administered and may have awakened to find Jackson already dead from heart failure.

An IV drip of Propofol allows a constant, steady infusion of the drug for a period of time determined by the person administering it.

It is considered reckless in the medical community for a doctor to administer an IV drip of Propofol without the patient being monitored by an EKG, which sounds an alarm when the patient's pulse drops too low. No EKG was found in the house.

Another device -- known as a pulse oximeter -- is used to determine the oxygen saturation in the patient's blood. If the patient's breathing slows to a dangerous level, an alarm alerts the treating physician. Again, no oximeter was found in the house.
 
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#1MJstan said:
Well the EMTs have to listen to the doctor if one is rt there.. the doctor is basically their superior, so if says keep doing cpr, then they have to listen to him.. he was trying to cover his ass.

Dead@Wendy saying throw some uncleaned Chittlin's at him.. omg I am f'n floored....hmm not a bad idea, anyone on here live on a farm, that way they can be fresh and real shitty.. I don't eat bologna or chittlins but i will chuck them things at him like I am a Cy Young winner in baseball..
*to all my Color Purple fans* I will throw a lil Shug Avery pee at him 2..

Back to the topic.. I believe Coozie (I think that is his name) posted a chart as to how long it would take Diprivan to get out of someone's system if give p to 10hrs. And well from what I saw on the chart, the ME will be able to find traces of it in his system, and we all know that they test the hair for drugs, because that is the best source to find out what the person was taking.. Like Pamerella said, all the other doctors that have given Diprivan to MJ should go down or at least have their license revoked. They have those pictures from the 2003 raid at Neverland to prove that doctors were writing prescriptions to MJ using other names and that is a federal offense...I am sure the pharmacy has those records as well, cuz they don't want to go down so I am sure they will sing like a church choir on a Sunday morning..
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Not cozzie but I mentioned the half life of diprivan in this post
http://www.mjjcommunity.com/forum/showpost.php?p=2028301&postcount=329

It is approx 30-60 minutes. I'm assuming this is in living people. I'm just wondering if it did stay in his system longer or left traces because all his organs stopped working and blood stopped flowing?
 
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Had every single person involved had said the word NO!, Michael Jackson would be alive and that's the truth. We can come up with all the theories in the world. Conrad Murray is going to loose his medical license and that's about it. I don't think he will get any prison time. Because you are accused of manslaughter doesn't mean you will be sent to prison. Let's see if all the other doctors from the past will loose their licenses
 
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whisper said:
This makes no sense at all. What prescription pill junkie lets his doctor know where his "pill stash" is?


I couldn't think about anything else this morning and it was like I was itching to write something about the suspicious behavior of Conrad Murray (MJEOL Bullet #336).

And I hear all these reports about him pointing cops to the "pill stash" and I'm 'What the hell?? Does an alleged addict's doctor know where his stash would be??' That just doesn't sound normal to me at all.

They didn't find it in Mike's room, under his bed, in his bathroom, in his closet, etc. They apparently found these alleged medications in a guest room. A guest room where Murray was probably staying when he was there. WTF?

He can no longer claim he didn't know what else Jackson was taking. He knew where the meds were so he knew what Mike was allegedly taking... that is IF these meds were even Mike's to begin with.

Question: Does Murray's actions that night make you suspicious of whether he (Murray) was on something that night? My answer is yes.
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Hmmmmm every good points. I hadn't thought of this. Especially the very end question. :eek:
 
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"Love you more, and forever Michael Jackson."
Murdered, but, yet, Michael Jacksons Lives.
Michael Jackson "Got to There" and "Music and Me".
Click and Take a Music Break
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MPU8nFxC3a8
 
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The question should be: “Who paid Dr. Conrad Murray to kill Michael Jackson?”
 
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mera said:
Not cozzie but I mentioned the half life of diprivan in this post
http://www.mjjcommunity.com/forum/showpost.php?p=2028301&postcount=329

It is approx 30-60 minutes. I'm assuming this is in living people. I'm just wondering if it did stay in his system longer or left traces because all his organs stopped working and blood stopped flowing?
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Actually someone did put up a chart that showed how long it would take for diprivan to leave the body if it was given for 10 days, ten hours, or 10mins.. i just can't remember which thread it was on.. it 's driving me mad that i can't remember.. but i am determined to find it..
 
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mera said:
Not cozzie but I mentioned the half life of diprivan in this post
http://www.mjjcommunity.com/forum/showpost.php?p=2028301&postcount=329

It is approx 30-60 minutes. I'm assuming this is in living people. I'm just wondering if it did stay in his system longer or left traces because all his organs stopped working and blood stopped flowing?
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I would assume that would depend on which bodily organs shut down first. The heart pumps everything around and lets it get absorbed into the bloodstream which lets it breakdown pretty fast at a cellular level.
 
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#1MJstan said:
Actually someone did put up a chart that showed how long it would take for diprivan to leave the body if it was given for 10 days, ten hours, or 10mins.. i just can't remember which thread it was on.. it 's driving me mad that i can't remember.. but i am determined to find it..
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Oops! I meant to say I'm not cozzie but found information too. Sorry about that. lol
 
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MJK said:
The question should be: “Who paid Dr. Conrad Murray to kill Michael Jackson?”
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I stand on my Constitutional First Amendment Right to Freedom of Speech to say:


"I, Cherubim, believe employees of the Sony Corporation (and probably,also, AEG)are responsible for the untimely death of Michael Jackson."

THE CONSTITUTION OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICAhttp://libertyonline.hypermall.com/constitution.html
We the people of the United States, in order to form a more perfect union, establish justice, insure domestic tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general welfare, and secure the blessings of liberty to ourselves and our posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.


AMENDMENTS TO THE CONSTITUTION OF THE UNITED STATES
Amendment I (1791)

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof;or abridging the freedom of speech,or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.

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First, to people asking why they didn't say it was Michael on the 911 call, why WOULD they? I've had to call 911 several times, and that's not ever asked or required. They only want your address and phone number and to know what's going on so they can tell you what to do until the ambulance gets there. Even more reason not to give Michael's name because media descending could have seriously interfered with Michael getting help, if it was still possible to help him, which I'm doubting.

Second - I really do not understand how anyone could blame Michael. Apparently, he had received the drug before for insomnia because he knew the name of it and how it worked. Obviously, it was done properly that time and so he had confidence in the safety of it. Also, when the nurse told him of the danger, he said that it was safe if a doctor monitored him. He is absolutely correct. If he had been monitored correctly it IS safe, although nothing is 100%, which is why patients have to sign consent forms. The problem is that Murray was NOT monitoring Michael properly and apparently did not even have the proper monitoring equipment. Likely he assured Michael it could be done safely just with oxygen. Michael likely would not know better and would trust him. After all, he knew how much he was having AEG pay the man, so would expect that he knew what he was doing.

Murray's lawyer clearly said that Murray found him unconsious with a slight pulse. Well, Michael should never have been left alone and knowing he had given propofol and that there was a pulse, CPR would not be indicated, oxygen/intubation would be. This doctor did EVERYTHING wrong, from agreeing to give it in unsafe surroundings to how he handled it when something went wrong. He made way too many "mistakes". You would think a cardiologist would be well prepared for acting properly under stressful conditions - so this panic idea makes no sense either.

What I would like to know is whether Murray informed the EMT people on the scene that propofol was involved. We KNOW the information was not provided in the 911 call, which it should have been as it was pertinent to treatment. I also would like to know if Murray informed the doctors at the hospital. There are so many questions still to be answered and I think all of them are important as to what charges will eventually be filed.

As to any other drug use by Michael, well the nurse who came forward about the propofol also stated that she had done blood work on him and it all came back clean. We absolutely do not know what, if anything, Michael had in his system other than propofol. And really, propofol used improperly is all that is needed to cause cardiac/respiratory arrest.
 
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wow. this is just..wow. im pissed off
 
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wendy2004 said:
Absolutely! For some reason ppl have a problem with her coming forward or sharing her story. It seems too convenient or something. Sometimes the truth isn't complicated. Now, do I believe other things surrounding MJ's death are complicated? Hell yes! But I think this woman coming forth and saying what she knew got the real ball rolling.

My opinion: The reason the Dr. and his lawyers are waiting for the tox reports is becuz they are hoping propofol doesn't show up. Before this nurse came forward they KNEW no one would even test for it and my guess is the doctor was putting all his cards on that. Someone mentioned MJ's guardian angel...well, I think that angel did what they could on Father's Day when Michael called this woman for help. Had he not done that just days before his death, even she may not have thought diprivan could be the culprit here. Seems like the only reason she came forward was becuz she had current knowledge of Michael being in trouble medically just days before his death. That was important. I said it then and I'll say it now, I'm glad she told the world first and the police second becuz if they wanted to dismiss her, like some fans and others have, they couldn't once she hit the airwaves. They HAD to deal with it.

And for those who believe there is this massive conspiracy to profit off of MJ's death via "overdose" then anyone wanting to shut this woman up didn't have a chance after she went public. The bell had been rung. I doubt Lloyds of London is going to pay out for propofol. Insurance companies look for reasons to deny claims. This nurse just gave them one, imo. So AEG won't be too happy if diprivan turns out to be the primary cause of death. That's $17 million dollars they were banking on profiting from down the drain for them. There's not a lot of ppl who may have had a motive here who can be too happy that this woman came forward... so I honestly don't understand why some ppl have an issue with her. Nothing she's said, imho, has been confusing, hard to understand, or conflicting if they've been paying attention to everything she's said.
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Yknow wendy at first I was was unsure of her and then especially when the police supposedly found the drug after she come on cnn. I was really unsure. But you are so right. Even thought at first i didn't like her coming forth and not hitting up the police first. I always felt she was the most truthful. Man if she woulda just flew out from Florida and helped michael out after he called her.

Wendy you are on point with this post.

#1MJstan said:
I just need 2 know what time I need to be at the courthouse when he goes to trial, cuz i want to throw a fried bologna sammich at his ass and egg salad and red kool aid to help set the stain in..
bastard, like someone said earlier i am no longer sad i am angry
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Girl you are too much!:rofl:
 
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Mikejoefan said:
Yknow wendy at first I was was unsure of her and then especially when the police supposedly found the drug after she come on cnn. I was really unsure. But you are so right. Even thought at first i didn't like her coming forth and not hitting up the police first. I always felt she was the most truthful. Man if she woulda just flew out from Florida and helped michael out after he called her.

Wendy you are on point with this post.


Girl you are too much!:rofl:
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u know u want to throw a sandwich at him 2
 
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mera said:
Oh Good! Sometimes my brain is faster than my fingers! :D

I think I found the thread!!

http://www.mjjcommunity.com/forum/showthread.php?p=2034970#post2034970
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HOT DAMN MERA, if I was a dude I would lay one on ya.. but u will have to settle for a hug or a coke and a smile..lol

I was searching high and low for that.. good looking out.. luv ya

bloodplasmalevel.jpg

this is from Cozzie..
 
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L.J said:
no way! that's a sin or something... you can't go wasting good food! not the sandwich :cry:
Just throw a rock.
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lmao.. I can throw bologna but can't throw a rock, cuz if the rock causes him to bleed then I go to jail.. and ORIE(that would be me) does not do jail.... no ma'am/sir.. :no::no:

nothing like a fried bologna sandwhich on a hot summer's day.. will just mess his whole day up..
 
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Lacey said:
As to any other drug use by Michael, well the nurse who came forward about the propofol also stated that she had done blood work on him and it all came back clean. We absolutely do not know what, if anything, Michael had in his system other than propofol. And really, propofol used improperly is all that is needed to cause cardiac/respiratory arrest.
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wow she said that? I have watched a few of her interviews but not all. Do you remember the video where she said this or link? I do know she said that michael wasn't looking to get high that he just wanted sleep. So far she seem to be the only sincere person right about now.
Btw I agreed with the rest of your post re: blaming michael.
 
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Just out on TMZ:

Two days after Michael died Dr. Murray told police he gave Michael propofal.
 
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#1MJstan said:
u know u want to throw a sandwich at him 2
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nah uh. I'm bring the HOT grits..fa his crusty behind. I'm hit'em right between the eyes too.:angry:
 
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Mikejoefan said:
nah uh. I'm bring the HOT grits..fa his crusty behind. I'm hit'em right between the eyes too.:angry:
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Dead@u Al Greenin' his ass... rofl I luv it..
If someone says they are bringing fish grease, i will leave this earth.. lmao
 
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#1MJstan said:
HOT DAMN MERA, if I was a dude I would lay one on ya.. but u will have to settle for a hug or a coke and a smile..lol

I was searching high and low for that.. good looking out.. luv ya

bloodplasmalevel.jpg

this is from Cozzie..
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:hysterical: No problem.
 
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I find it suspect that the media is claiming to have a unnamed source very suspicious. If they have the facts come out and say it. For all you know it can be the media making this up to get ratings.
 
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Just saw this on msn home page

AP source: Jackson doc gave him anesthetic drug before death
July 27, 2009, 5:12 PM EST
LOS ANGELES (AP) -- Michael Jackson's personal doctor administered a powerful anesthetic to help him sleep, and authorities believe the drug killed the pop singer, a law enforcement official told The Associated Press on Monday.

The official, who spoke on condition of anonymity because the investigation is ongoing, also provided a glimpse inside Jackson's rented mansion, describing the room Jackson slept in as outfitted with oxygen tanks and an IV drip. Another of his bedrooms was a shambles, with clothes and other items strewn about and handwritten notes stuck on the walls. One read: "children are sweet and innocent."
The official said Jackson regularly received propofol to sleep, relying on the drug like an alarm clock. A doctor would administer it when he went to sleep, then stop the intravenous drip when he wanted to wake up. On June 25, the day Jackson died, Dr. Conrad Murray gave him the drug through an IV sometime after midnight, the official said.
Though toxicology reports are pending, investigators are working under the theory propofol caused Jackson's heart to stop, the official said. Jackson is believed to have been using the drug for about two years and investigators are trying to determine how many other doctors administered it, the official said.
Murray, 51, has been identified in court papers as the subject of a manslaughter investigation and authorities last week raided his office and a storage unit in Houston. Police say Murray is cooperating and have not labeled him a suspect.
Using propofol to sleep is a practice far outside the drug's intended purpose. One doctor said administering it in a home to help a person sleep would constitute malpractice.
Murray's lawyer, Edward Chernoff, has said the doctor "didn't prescribe or administer anything that should have killed Michael Jackson." When asked Monday about the law enforcement official's statements he said: "We will not be commenting on rumors, innuendo or unnamed sources."
Murray became Jackson's personal physician in May and was to accompany him to London for a series of concerts starting in July.
He was staying with Jackson in the Los Angeles mansion and, according to Chernoff, "happened to find" an unconscious Jackson in the pop star's bedroom the morning of June 25. Murray tried to revive him by compressing his chest with one hand while supporting Jackson's back with the other.
It's unclear how long it took for someone at Jackson's home to summon paramedics, though Murray's own lawyers have said it was up to a half-hour. Paramedics arrived about three minutes after they were called and tried to revive the music superstar for another 42 minutes before sliding him into the ambulance and racing with lights flashing and siren blaring to UCLA Medical Center, where Jackson was pronounced dead.
Authorities arrived at the singer's house after the death and found a chaotic scene. The top floor had been all but sealed off, with only Jackson, his children and Murray allowed upstairs, the official said. Jackson's bedroom was a mess, with items seemingly thrown about and some 20 handwritten notes stuck on the walls.
A porcelain girl doll wearing a dress was found on top of the covers of the bed where he slept, the official said.
The temperature upstairs was stiflingly hot, with gas fireplaces and the heating system on high because Jackson always complained of feeling cold, the official said.
Police found propofol and other drugs in the home. An IV line and three tanks of oxygen were in the room where Jackson slept and 15 more oxygen tanks were in a security guard's shack, the official said.
Propofol can depress breathing and lower heart rates and blood pressure. Because of the risks, propofol is only supposed to be administered in medical settings by trained personnel. Instructions on the drug's package warn that patients must be continuously monitored, and that equipment to maintain breathing, to provide artificial ventilation, and to administer oxygen if needed "must be immediately available."
Dr. Zeev Kain, who heads the anesthesiology department at the University of California, Irvine Medical Center, said he has never encountered a situation where propofol was given in a home to help someone sleep. Such a situation would constitute malpractice, he said.
Cherilyn Lee, a registered nurse who gave Jackson nutritional counseling and vitamins earlier this year, said he complained of insomnia and asked her repeatedly for Diprivan, the brand-name version of propofol. Lee said she warned him of the drug's dangers and rejected his requests.
Los Angeles police interviewed Murray twice soon after Jackson's death. Last week, detectives flew to Houston and, along with federal drug agents, searched a medical clinic he ran and a storage unit he rented. They seized a long list of items, including the contents of three computer hard drives, two e-mails from his administrative assistant at the Las Vegas practice Murray ran and various other documents.
A sealed search warrant approved by a Houston judge and later made public allowed authorities to seek "property or items constituting evidence of the offense of manslaughter that tend to show that Dr. Conrad Murray committed the said criminal offense."

http://music.msn.com/music/article.aspx?news=422942&gt1=28102&
 
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