MJ CLINICALLY DEAD Long Before Medical Help Turned Up at His LA home.

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By James Desborough, 16/08/2009-News of the World
MICHAEL JACKSON's drug- riddled body lay dead in his bedroom for over an hour BEFORE paramedics arrived on the scene, a bombshell ambulance report reveals.


It will show a series of tests PROVE ***** was CLINICALLY DEAD long before medical help turned up at his LA home.

Paramedic chiefs and staff at UCLA hospital have revealed to the News of the World details of the report which was overseen by three specialist paramedics.

The report, made on a comprehensive official form, makes clear the King of Pop had already:

Got no PULSE.

FLATLINED - showing no sign of heart activity.

Stopped BREATHING.

But most tellingly, the star's body showed clear signs of what medics call LIVIDITY - when the blood drains to the bottom of the body after the heart stops.

The shocking revelations call into question *****'s personal physician Conrad Murray's claims that the singer HAD a faint pulse at the house and so would have BENEFITED from CPR on the way to the hospital.

But Dr Steven Hoefflin - a close friend of Jackson and speaking with the permission of his mother Katherine - CONFIRMS the details on the vital paperwork. Hoefflin, 63, told the News of the World: "I've spoken to a chief in the fire department who told me Michael was dead when they arrived.

"He had no pulse and was not breathing. They gave him an electro-cardiogram but he was flatlined.

"They say he even had lividity, which meant the blood had sunk to the back, indicating his heart had stopped a COUPLE OF HOURS earlier.

"This is the most important aspect of the report as it means he must have been dead for over an hour, probably longer."

And last night, News of the World doctor Hilary Jones confirmed: "A body would have been dead for a minimum of three hours for lividity to show. It is rare to see this in an ambulance report. That means Michael Jackson had been dead for some hours. Normally paramedics would never try to resuscitate a body with lividity because they would know the person is dead."

It is standard procedure for US paramedics to fill out an F-902M form after attending a fatality.

Although they completed *****'s over seven weeks ago, it has been kept from the public by detectives investigating his death. The standard emergency call sheet details the actions of paramedics on site and their observations of the patient. Other key factors it records are body temperature, rigor mortis and size of pupils. Jackson, 50, died from a heart attack after being given the sedative Propofol, following a cocktail of prescription pills, at his rented mansion in North Carolwood Drive, Los Angeles.

"The medics wanted to pronounce him dead there and take him to the Coroner's department," continued Hoefflin, who has been a physician for 40 years.

"But I was told Dr Murray wanted to work on him - he carried on doing CPR and insisted he needed hospital treatment. He continued giving Michael CPR all the way to UCLA and even in the emergency room.

"I have spoken to a senior doctor at UCLA, who said Murray insisted they work on him there - but they knew he was dead. Murray was in a state - he was freaked out by the situation. If Michael died at home then the case would be automatically referred to the Coroner's Office, and that would mean a lot of investigations.

"However if he passed away in hospital - that would not be the case and an autopsy might not be ordered.

Suspicious


"Dr Marshall Morgan, the chief of the medical staff at UCLA Medical Center, was suspicious about the case and contacted the Coroner anyway."

Murray, 51, claims he walked into Jackson's bedroom to find him unconscious but with a faint pulse. He also says the body was warm. He carried out CPR for around 25 minutes on his bed, before bodyguard Alberto Alverez called 911 on the afternoon of June 25. But last night concert promoter Terry Harvey - a close family friend - backed up the ambulance report, saying: "Michael died in the house. I spoke to Frank DiLeo - Michael's manager - on the MORNING of June 25 and he told me that he was dead after a cardiac arrest. That call is on my phone records.

"Everyone knew he was dead at least two hours before he officially pronounced dead at the hospital."

Hoefflin claims law enforcement sources have told him that Dr Murray - who has admitted administering Propofol to ***** - is building a defence against his prospective criminal charges of manslaughter.

The doctor - along with lawyer Ed Chernoff - is apparently looking to examine ways to prove Jackson overdosed himself on drugs, was mishandled by medical staff or suffered food poisoning. Hoefflin said: "I've been told by sources Chernoff is trying to build a case that other people were responsible for Michael's death. He is trying to point the finger at paramedics, UCLA and even at his chefs."

It's claimed Murray gave ***** Propofol through a drip every night and the stressed star also took a cocktail of anxiety and sleeping drugs daily.

This week, a US report said Murray left Jackson attached to an IV drip with Propofol while he stepped out to make personal calls. On his return he found ***** unconscious. Last night Murray's lawyer and spokesman refused to comment.

Hoefflin added: "This F-902M form is a bombshell key to the investigation."
 
Although I don't trust this source, the article has the ring of truth. I think Michael was dead for HOURS before Murray called 911. That would explain why he was doing ineffective CPR. Why the fireplaces were all blazing (to keep the body warm), why he didn't come down for Michael's breakfast, at ten a.m., and a lot of other things.

I also believe that Frank Dileo knew in the MORNING that Michael was gone. Speculating here, that Murray said, "Mission accomplished." If Dileo knew in the MORNING, that makes his account of how he was notified, a lie. It also might make him an accomplice, in my opinion. . . given everything else. It also makes Murray look even more like a criminal, if he deliberately tried to conceal time of death. Wanted to make SURE Michael was gone? Don't know, but a doctor would surely be able to tell if a person was dead and wouldn't benefit from CPR. Lie after lie, by so many people. I have no definitive proof, but have no doubt, IMO, that this was a murder.

I do NOT believe the "cocktail of drugs" story. We have no way of knowing. Maybe. .

This is such a terrible tragedy, and what I want now is justice for the children .
 
This is a tabloid article BUT one thing pops out at me like a sore thumb:

Murray, 51, claims he walked into Jackson's bedroom to find him unconscious but with a faint pulse. He also says the body was warm. He carried out CPR for around 25 minutes on his bed, before bodyguard Alberto Alverez called 911 on the afternoon of June 25. But last night concert promoter Terry Harvey - a close family friend - backed up the ambulance report, saying: "Michael died in the house. I spoke to Frank DiLeo - Michael's manager - on the MORNING of June 25 and he told me that he was dead after a cardiac arrest. That call is on my phone records.

If Frank DiLeo called this person in the morning, then that means Frank's entire account of what happened is a lie. I don't want to believe this tabloid report.... It's just too much and I hope Frank comes out with a strong denial of this....
 
Oh indeed.......he WAS dead hours befor the damn 911 call


that notion is nothing new....we have all been thinking the same thing and just NOW the media is coming to this idea?? .. pfff
 
This is a tabloid article BUT one thing pops out at me like a sore thumb:



If Frank DiLeo called this person in the morning, then that means Frank's entire account of what happened is a lie. I don't want to believe this tabloid report.... It's just too much and I hope Frank comes out with a strong denial of this....

Yes I noticed this, also.

In addition, did you notice that Dr. Murray may claim that
Michael Jackson died due to food poisoning.

Correction
Dick Gregory believes some type of poison (not food poisoning)
was the real cause of Michael Jackson's death.
 
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^^^ hold up...

food poisoning like...he ate bad shellfish?...or like his food was poisoned??

cause last time i checked some bad shrimp don't stop your heart???
 
food poisoning? WTF? Hadn't heard this. Links? I've personally been suspicious of appetite suppresants, but this? This is weird. More, please.
 
Ye,this is nothing new. We been saying this for weeks.

The Media finally got something right. (Time of death issue).
 
I thought about that too... would they find that in an autopsy?
 
This is a tabloid article BUT one thing pops out at me like a sore thumb:



If Frank DiLeo called this person in the morning, then that means Frank's entire account of what happened is a lie. I don't want to believe this tabloid report.... It's just too much and I hope Frank comes out with a strong denial of this....

If this is true, if Frank called this person in the morning, it's extremely serious. And yeah, even though it's a tabloid, there are ways of veryifying, and Frank needs to make a statement. If he can. . . . .

And yeah, this is nothing new (except for the alleged phone call, which is VERY serious if true). We have been saying for weeks that we thought he was dead hours before the 911 call. This is just heart-breaking.
 
^^^ hold up...

food poisoning like...he ate bad shellfish?...or like his food was poisoned??

cause last time i checked some bad shrimp don't stop your heart???

OH PLEASE....this asshole Murray is trying to stare the truth away from him..... Food poisoning...well even if he had knowledge of this then he has got to be involved with that too. not that i believe it at all. Murray knows he screwed up and nowhe is trying to point the finger at anyone else who was in the house at the time. He is a weak weak man..
 
My God, this explains it; Murray is said to have left Michael unattended with the drip while he made some phone calls....Mike prob. passed within the first 45 mins. God....again this is just so sickening to take in.

And 'food poisening'? That has to be some kind of joke...your body usually gets rid of toxins by throwing it up....like, Jesus...why can't he just face facts.....he killed Michael!
 
Frank said a fan had called him and told him the news after hearing the news on tv, so that means one of them is lying.

Anyways, how did he even learn how to use propofol?? He's just a cardiologist. He's not a surgeon or anything.
 
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Unfortuately, I think both Frank Dileo and Terry Harvey
might be liars.
 
Frank said a fan had called him and told him the news after hearing the news on tv, so that means one of them is lying.

Anyways, how did he even learn how to use propofol?? He's just a cardiologist. He's not a surgeon or anything.

i tend to believe the reports about Murray saying that Kline and he had a conversation over the phone about how to administer propofol. In which case as we all know Kline is just as guilty.
 
Unfortuately, I think both Frank Dileo and Terry Harvey
might be liars.

Oh I agree...we are now hearing different versions of their stories. If we are patient long enough they will hang themselves with their own ropes. It will all come out because they have already contradicted their first stories, the truth will come out.
 
What a coincidence. Everyone's stories is contradicting each other's. I just don't think they knew how MAJORLY this death was going to affect people and didn't realize the magnitude of trouble they were getting into.
 
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you are right ... to some these may seem like small things...ya know what time Frank found out...but this is a big deal..This raises alot of other questions about what Frank could not be trusted on. All these people that were around Michael are gonna lie to cover their own butts because noone wants to be pointed at in a negative light. so they are all trying to make themselves look good or innocent we will say.
 
lol. i went back because i DID have something to say.
 
Murray has already caught himself in at least one lie that can be proven. He first said he didn't call 911 because there were no working phones. And later he said he stepped out of the room to make calls. . . on a working phone. I never believed him that Michael still had a pulse when he started CPR. A cardiologist, of all people, would know how to do CPR and he wasn't even trying. Even a Boy Scout knows not to do CPR on a bed.

I think he lied about "no working phone." And about time-of-death. And probably he called Frank in the MORNING. My every instinct tells me that he did that. Which means that Frank, too, was lying about finding out about the ambulance from a fan. I think he knew long before that. So if Frank lied, we need to know WHY! For real.

That ambulance report is something the LAPD just CANNOT ignore, even though, in my opinion, they've bungled so much else. And if there was a call to or from Frank, phone records would show that. Oh. My. God.
 
you are right ... to some these may seem like small things...ya know what time Frank found out...but this is a big deal..This raises alot of other questions about what Frank could not be trusted on. All these people that were around Michael are gonna lie to cover their own butts because noone wants to be pointed at in a negative light. so they are all trying to make themselves look good or innocent we will say.

All I have to say is, KEEP IT COMIN, babble out. Sooner or later, these criminals will have half the plot or even the whole, spilled out before them.
 
They're gonna get caught. Murray can turn on as many furnaces and do as much CPR as he wants. The autopsy report will pinpoint the EXACT time of death.

I hope Mrs. Jackson has her lawyers ready....
 
was it Dileo who allegedly signed on behalf of Michael this family re-union concert for the summer? and AllGood Entertainment sueing them? did they really file an injunction against the London shows?

could it be linked to Dileo having a reason to lie now?
 
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This is a tabloid article BUT one thing pops out at me like a sore thumb:



If Frank DiLeo called this person in the morning, then that means Frank's entire account of what happened is a lie. I don't want to believe this tabloid report.... It's just too much and I hope Frank comes out with a strong denial of this....

And has this Terry Harvey told all this to the police? Or just the NOTW paper? If he is using a tabloid as a platform to get the 'real' truth out there and to be heard I don't blame him but has he told all of this and shown his phone records where Frank called him in the 'morning' to the police is what I want to know.
 
Oh I agree...we are now hearing different versions of their stories. If we are patient long enough they will hang themselves with their own ropes. It will all come out because they have already contradicted their first stories, the truth will come out.

I really hope so as this all makes me feel so sick, Michael deserves justice. He needs to be buried too(if he hasn't) and his soul put to rest bless him.
 
So when it came on the news that Michael was being taken to the hospital, when everyone around the world started praying for him...he was already long dead.

The more Murray and his lawyer talk, the more they contradict themselves. Can't wait to hear what ish they come up with next.
 
I dont believe this particular tabloid but in my heart i know he probably died like 2,5 hrs before the official time of death...
My husband knew someone had passed away when he was praying and that was aprox. 2,5 hrs beforee he officially died in the hospital.
He didnt know who but it was someone we both had a connection with is what he told me.
 
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