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MJ CLINICALLY DEAD Long Before Medical Help Turned Up at His LA home.

I believe that EVERYONE WILL be shocked if those reports are ever made known to the public.

I believe there was ABSOLUTELY no reason for him to die on his part. Three children and a tour which will surely kick ass....Michael knew better.
 
troubleman84 said:
I wouldn't, be it accidental or intentional, because things are just confusing.
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Sorry. I meant everyone who believed right away that he was just another drug addict and accepted just that. They are the ones who will be shocked. Not us.

movingcoolcat said:
I think that when we finally hear the coroners report we will be surprised, because right now it seems that everyone assume that the drug addiction theory is the right one and that Michael was in bas shape and would never have been able to go through with the conserts. What if that is not the truth?
Still, I think that we are in for some major surprises when the investigation is over, and the results are published. For some reason, all the confusion and the wide variety of stories atm, gives me a gut feeling that there is something else in this story that we have yet not understood.
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I was thinking. Now this is just a thought. If the media is right and everything it's been telling is the truth, then could the reports just come out already since everything has already been said? If all the stories we've heard is exactly what the toxicology reports show then there's nothing to hide.

But no, they're still keeping it a secret which means they don't want the media butting in with whichever new or different info they've found. Maybe they've found something really important and just don't want anyone right now to know since it's so damn important.

I don't really know where I'm going. But if the ongoing news and the tox reports are the same, their is really no reason to keep the reports on the down low.
 
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Ya know I'm just gonna have a theory, he was dead hours before 911 call because...


What IF all this is nothing but the absolute horrible truth we all hope is not true..but I am starting to think they purposely killed him. Not out of negligence but malice.Like Mike was some corporate liability, just cut it out of the bottom line.

Here goes...

Didn't Mike use to use oxygen tanks back during the early 80s to help him after performances?? and since Mike had been rehersing late into the night for the past several weeks perhaps he used the oxygen as a way of helping recouperate and help sore muscles?? and the IV stands were for fluids and electolytes he lost with sweating?? My theory....Murry hooked MJs Iv up for the night with just his fluids to prevent dehydration, (not the damned propofol which is a plant!)Mike falls asleep,(he falls asleep naturally) while Mj is alseep Murry slips the propofol into the IV drip and Mike is out within moments (like we saw when Dr. Gupta did the demo on cnn) and the rest is....MURDER she wrote. Perhaps Mike had the doc have his own room as just an on site doctor..NOT as a doctor to sit the whole damn night watching him breath!!(lies)All the drugs they found some are plants some are MJs true prescibed meds for his medical issues. I feel this whole thing is nothing but half truths and lies big ugly LIES! Just like so much of the darkness that came after Mike in his life those dark forces are at work here. They are using truths about Mike and twisting and skewing to make people confused and make things out to be something they weren't.

Misunderstood is a word Mike used a lot...indeed.

They can now make up all the stories they want about Propofol...here comes nurse "i begged him not to take it" here comes Frank "he called me to say he wasn't feeling well" Dileo and the showstopper!..Dr. I didn't give him anything that should have Killed Michael...

And all this two weeks and four days before the opening day of This is IT..

I'm sick and tired,

Damn. them. All.
 
GenieBottle said:
Here goes...

Didn't Mike use to use oxygen tanks back during the early 80s to help him after performances?? and since Mike had been rehersing late into the night for the past several weeks perhaps he used the oxygen as a way of helping recouperate and help sore muscles?? and the IV stands were for fluids and electolytes he lost with sweating?? My theory....Murry hooked MJs Iv up for the night with just his fluids to prevent dehydration, (not the damned propofol which is a plant!)Mike falls asleep,(he falls asleep naturally) while Mj is alseep Murry slips the propofol into the IV drip and Mike is out within moments (like we saw when Dr. Gupta did the demo on cnn) and the rest is....MURDER she wrote. Perhaps Mike had the doc have his own room as just an on site doctor..NOT as a doctor to sit the whole damn night watching him breath!!(lies)All the drugs they found some are plants some are MJs true prescibed meds for his medical issues. I feel this whole thing is nothing but half truths and lies big ugly LIES! Just like so much of the darkness that came after Mike in his life those dark forces are at work here. They are using truths about Mike and twisting and skewing to make people confused and make things out to be something they weren't.
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OMG. Did Michael really use oxygen tanks during his performances back in the 80's??? If so, then you may be right!!

I just need more proof that Michael REALLY did use oxygen tanks back then. But if it is true, investigators MUST know this!!!

Anyways, I already believe they purposely killed him. It's just a gut feeling like the feeling I had that someone would try to hurt or kill him before he did the shows. Besides, nothing makes sense.
 
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To paraphrase Dick Gregory:
"Doctors make the best (hired) assassins."

I believe multiple doctors started Michael Jackson on a dangerous course of over medication for his insomnia, and then in steps. Sony, AEG, Colony Capital, and Dr. Murray. None of them giving a damn about our Angel, Michael Jackson. Conrad Murray began working together with the corporatists. AEG, Sony, Colony Capital, Dr. Murray and all the other corporatists were motivated by greed. So, AEG, eventually, either set up or paid Dr. Murray to take the fall for
Michael Jackson’s death.

You may very well be right. Michael may have only been used to using pure oxygen and an I.V. drip to prevent dehydration. Dr. Murray may have added the
Propofol with the intent purpose of killing Michael Jackson.

Nurse Cherilyn Lee was paid to go to the police and media and insert (plant) the Propofol addiction story.


However, there is no honor among thieves. So, I pray that, now, Dr. Conrad Murray, in order to save himself, will start "singing like a bird", and bring his fellow conspirators down into Hell with him.

Have you seen this video which captures the conspirators quite well; but it does not emphasize enough the roles of Colony Capital, Thomas Barrack and Dr. Tohme, Tohme?
Click on and Watch:
MICHAEL JACKSON'S DEATH- SUSPECT OR WITNESS (Unsolved Mystery)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=41rdP...eature=related

"WE, FANS, MUST STICK TOGETHER.
NO MATTER WHAT!!!!" :better:
 
CherubimII said:
"WE, FANS, MUST STICK TOGETHER.
NO MATTER WHAT!!!!" :better:
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That's right. There's nothing that can't be done if we raise our voice as one. They've gotta hear from me. They've gotta hear it from you. They've gotta hear it from us. We can't take it. We've already had enough.
 
I thought there was like a quote of Jermaine saying Mike took oxygen between songs backstage just to help with breathing because of dancing so much and singing.

Others in the corporate game.. that Anchultz (sp?) guy who owns AEG is dirty as hell...some of the stuff he is about and stands for is suspect..
 
I would find it very believable if Michael really did use oxygen tanks in the 80's.

Sweat is pouring down his face and when he shakes his head, droplets swing into the air. Ripping his shirt off only to reveal more sweat. That man gave one hell of a show.

And to think, at every show that happened, not just two or three.
 
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I think the oxygen tanks in the 80's thing was just for backstage during concerts.
 
mjbunny said:
I think the oxygen tanks in the 80's thing was just for backstage during concerts.
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I'll just say IF Michael used the tanks just for recovery and not propofol...

Michael could have hired the doctor because of that. To be able to recover at his home after the rehearsals.

After all he's 50, he may have felt he needed recovering, if not after all rehearsals, then at least a few.
 
GenieBottle said:
I thought there was like a quote of Jermaine saying Mike took oxygen between songs backstage just to help with breathing because of dancing so much and singing.

Others in the corporate game.. that Anchultz (sp?) guy who owns AEG is dirty as hell...some of the stuff he is about and stands for is suspect..
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Your might want to read this. It is a questionable site but it does have a picture of
Philip Anschutz:

Saturday, August 15, 2009

Who Is Philip Anschutz? (And Why Is He in Business with Michael Jackson and The Weekly Standard?)

by Matt Haber
Portfolio.com
Aug 07 2009
http://aconstantineblacklist.blogspot.com/2009/08/who-is-philip-anschutz-and-why-is-he-in.html
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"Late in life, Jackson may have found his most mysterious—and lucrative—partner in Philip Anschutz, the Denver-based billionaire who has made money in everything from oil to telecom to movie-making and -distribution.

The two men couldn't be more different: One a child star who grew up to become possibly the world's most flamboyant and famous performer, but whose life imploded amid accusations of child molestation, tabloid embarrassments, and gross financial mismanagement. The other is barely known outside the business world, rarely quoted on the record, and a supporter of Conservative causes that include limiting the rights of gays and lesbians and promoting "traditional" family values in entertainment and media.

Yet they struck a deal potentially worth hundreds of millions of dollars, for a series of concerts in London and a possible tour. And after Jackson’s demise, the Anschutz Entertainment Group (just one of his many companies) is still in the Michael Jackson business. No matter what tragedy befalls his core asset, it seems Anschutz has figured out how to continue monetizing Michael."
 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philip_Anschutz#Summary_of_business_interests

Anschutz owns or has major interests in about 100 companies, including the following:
  • Forest Oil
  • Pacific Energy Group
  • 17% stake in Qwest Communications, which became a Baby Bell upon the purchase of US West
  • Regal Entertainment Group, the largest movie theater chain in the world with approximately 6,000 screens. Anschutz owns more than half of the company, which is a collection of former bankrupt chains.
  • Union Pacific Railroad (Anschutz is the company's largest shareholder, with a 6% stake.)
  • Clarity Media Group, a Denver-based Publishing Group which includes:[11]
  • The Oil & Gas Asset Clearinghouse, which is an auction company designed for the Oil & Gas Business
  • NRC Broadcasting, which owns a string of radio stations in Colorado.
  • Anschutz brought David Beckham to the United States. Beckham is now employed by Galaxy Media and plays on an Anschutz-owned soccer team, Los Angeles Galaxy of Major League Soccer.
  • The Anschutz Investment Company purchased LightEdge Solutions in February 2008. LightEdge is a business-to-business hosted services provider focused on Wide-Area-Networking, Voice-over-IP, Hosted Microsoft applications (Exchange, OCS, SharePoint), hosted servers/storage collocation cage and rackspace and Business Continuity Services.
  • On June 17, 2009, The Washington Examiner confirmed that the Examiner's parent company Clarity Media Group has purchased the Weekly Standard. [12]
Political and Christian activism


Anschutz, a Republican donor and supporter of George W. Bush's administration, has been an active patron of a number of religious and conservative causes:
 
chernoff is pretty stupid.

whilemurray may have been a cardiologist, if u die in a way that reflects an organ failure or massive this or that and you are NOT being treated for the organ that failed, an autopsy is done.

so if i die of liver failure yet i wasn't seeing a doc for that, they'll perform an autopsy.

what murray was hoping was that if mj died at the hospital, no autopsy would be done. if he died at the house and murrayhad pronounced him, an autopsy would automatically be ordered.

he's a moron.
 
screw a tour. i said on june 13th 05 that i ain't care if i ever see mj again. go be free w/ ur chillun and do whateva. no tour no pics, i don' tcare.

i'd rather have mj here, no pics no nothing forever than a tour that would've been rad but him dying b/c of it. screw it
 
My sentiments exactly, Soso. After the trial, nothing else mattered...and a damn tour was the last thing on my mind. I knew Michael would continue making music in the comfort of his studio - and I really thought that was the road he'd take. Chill out and just write music whenever he felt like it.

Why the HELL did it have to turn into this?
 
I agree, Kate, I also said I didn't care if he was retired, he already did what he set out to do and he was trying to do something else. Too bad he never got to fulfill whatever remaining dreams he had.
 
Don't forget that Murray was the one who suggested the autopsy (according to several reports) so don't get things twisted now.
 
LisaB said:
Don't forget that Murray was the one who suggested the autopsy (according to several reports) so don't get things twisted now.
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Hmm, Paramedics wanted to declare MJ dead a the scene, but Murray insisted they should take him to the hospital.
 
movingcoolcat said:
I think that when we finally hear the coroners report we will be surprised, because right now it seems that everyone assume that the drug addiction theory is the right one and that Michael was in bas shape and would never have been able to go through with the conserts. What if that is not the truth?
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I thought (and hoped) that too but I've read many fan reports on Karen's facebook which imply that Michael appeared to be 'high' one day & normal the next (as well as the 'skeletal') which make me think it is may be the truth. However, I don't like the term addict... I prefer 'drug dependent'.
 
LisaB said:
Don't forget that Murray was the one who suggested the autopsy (according to several reports) so don't get things twisted now.
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I believe his lawyer said that. As far as I can remember I have never heard MJ's family, LaToya etc say that Murray suggested that they get an autopsy.
 
i dont know if michael used oxygen between or after performances but i know other performers have. i remember seeing footage of the late laura branigan using some oxygen between songs off stage.
 
i'm wondering whether Murray's panic was real or not?
was it a show?
or was it real? if it was real then why?

if i didnt know that he was a real doctor, i would have thought that it was a planted "actor" because he didnt react professionally. a cardiologist cannot react like that. and how is it possible to make so many mistakes?
 
how could he make so many mistakes? to be fair to murray and give him the benefit of the doubt - cause people are human and they stuff up. its been estimated in australian hospitals each year around 4600 die because of medical staff mistakes. the figure would be much bigger in the united states just cause of the size of the population there.

now not to be fair to murray - why did he stuff up? because hes an idiot. and when the ruling comes down it might be michael jackson died because of sheer stupidity and incompetence which makes it all the more sad
 
bowen9999 said:
I thought (and hoped) that too but I've read many fan reports on Karen's facebook which imply that Michael appeared to be 'high' one day & normal the next (as well as the 'skeletal') which make me think it is may be the truth. However, I don't like the term addict... I prefer 'drug dependent'.
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The reports are very contradictory, don't you think?
 
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