Nurse Cherilyn Lee Is a Liar and Possible Supporter of Dr. Murder Murray

[SoS]

When did she say all this??

4:37

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rCbdNs6IZ68


When talking about how Michael "looked thinner" she also said that the first thing she asked herself was "are they eating???"

Why did she say, "they". Did they all look thinner? Why did she toss that in there without explaining? Same with so much of this stuff ... it would take all night..

and who is this guy?? 1:42

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O2nQlI9T2uE&NR=1&feature=fvwp


and what was his PURPOSE for the advert of the bond they had, how long she worked there, "she thought the world of him...great guy you heard what she said" ... etc. in other words, "this is the LAST person who would hurt him" WHO ASKED HIM ALL THAT? ...

..... and what does he mean by "we" when he says, "we're not privvy to what goes on in the Jackson houshold"??? WTF

Feels to me like its for the same reason for all the other unnecessary "overkill" - dupe everybody into looking in a different direction.

OK, Wendy's not here yet, but I predict that to that you (Wendy lol) may offer,

maybe he's her spokes person who felt it was necessary to head off any suspicions for the very reason that she was the one feeding him ... and to that I will just say, maybe so, but since no one has accused her of anything, and due to the fact that she is disrespecting this man's memory (imho) and his children as far as I'm concerned ... I'm not gonna buy that one for right now (if you'd say that lol)

 

[troubleman84]

Sounds like Kai's implying MJ and his kids were looking thin as hell. :huh:

 

[kasume]

4:37

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rCbdNs6IZ68


When talking about how Michael "looked thinner" she also said that the first thing she asked herself was "are they eating???"

Why did she say, "they". Did they all look thinner? Why did she toss that in there without explaining? Same with so much of this stuff ... it would take all night..

Well, I believe she thought of it this way. What Michael was eating is what the children were eating also since a family all eat the same food that's cooked in a house.

 

[troubleman84]

But wasn't Kai saying that all MJ and 'em were eating was Trail Mix?

 

[kasume]

But wasn't Kai saying that all MJ and 'em were eating was Trail Mix?

No, that was just Michael. She said it was what he ate for breakfeast if I remember correctly.

 

[SoS]

Sounds like Kai's implying MJ and his kids were looking thin as hell. :huh:

I just found it kind of interesting that since she cared for the entire family she didn't actually make that the subject in that moment of the discussion with the interviewer. Just another one of those 'unnatural' seeming things.

.. and when MJ allegedly pulled her aside, he did not say, "me and my kids need ....??? "

okaaaay this is a man who's kids are his life and he's gonna pull her aside just to talk about himself ... and it is actually they who are not eating right?

OK Wendy (lol I'm cracking myself up here talking to u and u'r not here lol)

so maybe she and MJ talked about all of them at some other interval and she is just "highlighting" this particular conversation because she was being asked about MJ -

or .. maybe it was edited out

*sigh* OK, I'm going to bed ...

this is all just ...
um.

 

[Kizmic]

Michael could have consented to the IV drip for dehydration purposes and then been injected with the propofol without his knowledge.

I think this is what happened.

If this is the case and motive was money, Conrad was either bribed by someone else or Conrad knew MJ had a stash of money and valuables that would be worth more than 150,000 a month.

Does Conrad have a history of the instant gratification approach to life?

 

[troubleman84]

No, that was just Michael. She said it was what he ate for breakfeast if I remember correctly.

Oh. Then why did she say "they"? :lol:

 

[troubleman84]

I think this is what happened.

If this is the case and motive was money, Conrad was either bribed by someone else or Conrad knew MJ had a stash of money and valuables that would be worth more than 150,000 a month.

Does Conrad have a history of the instant gratification approach to life?

Who knows? I don't even think Conrad knew if MJ even had money as of this point. We do know he was broke but that's beside the point. Whatever the case, it don't look good for him.

 

[SoS]

I just think people have different ways of reacting.

I think Kai was just so shocked and afraid that she didn't want to hear the 'very bad' news, not yet.

WHAT "very bad news"

For all she knew MJ might have fallen out of bed! or fallen in the shower!!

"Get Prince! Get Security!" The EMTs arrive. Stay over 30 minutes. Sure she's concerned as everything, of course, but shocked by what?

Michael Jackson is upstairs with a personal doctor who knows what he's doing and who's job is to watch over the patient's health. Now for that DOCTOR to come downstairs and scream "get prince" in such a 'frantic' state, she knew something very serious happened and she even said so herself.

yes something very serious but no CLUE what. For all she knew MJ might have gashed himself in the eye with a piece of broken glass!! That would be a reason to need another person there when here you are a doctor in an emergency. Its too easy to forget that she had no clue what was going on.

Now if you're witnessing a doctor himself freaking out (who's supposed to know what he' doing), you know something is wrong. And to see that personal doctor 'freak out' they must know that their patient's life is in grave grave danger.

OR the patient's head or eyes, or ears, or nose or mouth or arm or leg or chest .. remember ... she had (allegedly) NO CLUE AT ALL.

 

[AllForMJ]

If you wonder why she's drawing blood at MJ's house, you have to wonder why she was called out to treat his children in his house..and he would allow it. You realize doctors do make housecalls...especially for celebrities. It's not only for convenience but for their privacy. Her drawing blood from Michael at his home isn't necessarily anything out of the ordinary, imo.



Well, if she intraveneously gave him something that would have caused him harm it would have happened in April when she last saw him?



She never said she was concerned for his safety or his health when she was treating him for nutritional issues...early February thru April. And it was Michael who brought up the subject of her possibly helping him with getting more energy. There was no mentioning of anything else that would concern her. She ran her tests and found nothing alarming in the results to suggest Michael was "unsafe" or somehow deathly unhealthy. Did you watch any of the footage AllForMJ?



Where else does one take a blood sample? It goes to a lab. The lab sends back the results which are probably in her files...which were turned over to the police. So they should know what lab was used if the nurse didn not have an onsite lab at her office.



Strange in what way? Again, have you read the interviews and watched the footage. She simply went into the man's room and gave her assessment on how he could better create an environment conducive to getting better sleep. They tried out a holistic remedy on him and she was to stay in the room to see how long he would sleep afterwards. So again, I ask how is this strange?



Well the guards would probably know better than anyone. And Michael's children would probably be her best witnesses as to whether or not she was in their home and how often. Would you disbelieve Michael's children if they confirmed her presence and purpose in their home?



Sneaking around how? You think she came into the house without security's knowledge and did what? Or do you think she was let into the house during the day and hid somewhere inside the house til it got dark?. If she drove there, do you honestly believe security would not gather that the sight of her car would suggest she might still be in there...with Michael's permission? Or do you think Michael's security was crappy enuf to let ppl into the home and not keep track if whether those ppl actually left the property? These are just questions...btw.

There is a Code of Ethics for Nurses and this nurse is completely out of compliance.

A patient dying in a doctor's care does not give her the right to spread medical information all over the air.

She could have done things in a much more professional manner like going straight to the authorities with her information rather than going to CNN and turning up the media frenzy several notches.

She had no right to do this. It was totally wreckless and because she did do this, it makes her behavior very strange.

 

[SoS]

watched it again ... so it was about .. an hour before they had to leave the house so I guess they prayed etc. that long

"are they eating? is anyone eating here???"

That was the exact quote, just to clear that up for all its worth.

Now that I hear it again, it sounds like she may have said (real fast) Prince and the doctor spoke at the bottom of the stairs ... whatever that is about I guess only Prince can tell us but for whatever reason it was, maybe it wasn't that the doctor wanted Prince to go upstairs ... so ok, I'll let that one go. . .

I guess small inconsistencies are bugging me because its not as if we need any at all.

All ..*sigh*....thanks for enduring my off topic rant.
I guess its understood just how frustrating this is ... y'all haffta (please) excuse me for going on and on ... this whole thing ugh

 

[SoS]

There is a Code of Ethics for Nurses and this nurse is completely out of compliance.

A patient dying in a doctor's care does not give her the right to spread medical information all over the air.

She could have done things in a much more professional manner like going straight to the authorities with her information rather than going to CNN and turning up the media frenzy several notches.

She had no right to do this. It was totally wreckless and because she did do this, it makes her behavior very strange.

In all this talk about her, I'd forgotten all about that! That's right because when watching it, I was aghast when she was on the air broadcasting this stuff. I believe its called a HIPAA violation and what are the odds that she'll not be reprimanded for it and it is a very serious violation. Made me wonder what even gave her the nerve. $ maybe? I mean, every health care provider or anyone associated with medical information has to be made abundantly aware to the point of signing an agreement. Everyone, not just doctors and nurses, so surely she did, without a doubt. The same thing applies to Arnie Klein for that matter and whoever else ..

http://www.hhs.gov/ocr/privacy/hipaa/understanding/summary/index.html

What Information is Protected
Protected Health Information. The Privacy Rule protects all "individually identifiable health information" held or transmitted by a covered entity or its business associate, in any form or media, whether electronic, paper, or oral. The Privacy Rule calls this information "protected health information (PHI)."12
“Individually identifiable health information” is information, including demographic data, that relates to:

• the individual’s past, present or future physical or mental health or condition,
• the provision of health care to the individual, or
• the past, present, or future payment for the provision of health care to the individual,

and that identifies the individual or for which there is a reasonable basis to believe it can be used to identify the individual.13 Individually identifiable health information includes many common identifiers (e.g., name, address, birth date, Social Security Number).
The Privacy Rule excludes from protected health information employment records that a covered entity maintains in its capacity as an employer and education and certain other records subject to, or defined in, the Family Educational Rights and Privacy Act, 20 U.S.C. §1232g.

 

[troubleman84]

^^ Damn.

 

[Kizmic]

There is a Code of Ethics for Nurses and this nurse is completely out of compliance.

A patient dying in a doctor's care does not give her the right to spread medical information all over the air.

She could have done things in a much more professional manner like going straight to the authorities with her information rather than going to CNN and turning up the media frenzy several notches.

She had no right to do this. It was totally wreckless and because she did do this, it makes her behavior very strange.

Yeah, I agree with that. Maybe the nurse is lying afterall and if she's "spilling" some insider stuff about MJ, why did she refuse to mention other names?



Right now I'm in the benefit of a doubt phase and trying to see the good in people who may be involved but it is strange that she said those things about Michael and then cast herself in a good light by appearing to trying to help him and save him but refused to mention other names as to who else was around.

This is going to be tough to figure out but gotta figure out who's making stuff up and why. If she were paid for the interview, she could have known the media wanted to make MJ look like an addict. That is a horrible thing to do especially to someone who just passed away.

Was she close to Conrad Murray and how did she get into the picture?

Who are these people she refuses to talk about because she knows them?

Like I've said before, I'm keeping my mind open. On one hand I want to believe that Conrad was just a greedy man and was in it alone or just a careless doctor but it's hard to believe that if his workers are lying, putting themself in a good light, acting as if if it weren't for them MJ and his kids would be unhealthy, making MJ seem like an addict but yet not saying anything about other names when asked. That might also mean the person is worried about their life if they say the wrong thing.

 

[SoS]

Yeah, I agree with that. Maybe the nurse is lying afterall and if she's "spilling" some insider stuff about MJ, why did she refuse to mention other names?



Right now I'm in the benefit of a doubt phase and trying to see the good in people who may be involved but it is strange that she said those things about Michael and then cast herself in a good light by appearing to trying to help him and save him but refused to mention other names as to who else was around.

This is going to be tough to figure out but gotta figure out who's making stuff up and why. If she were paid for the interview, she could have known the media wanted to make MJ look like an addict. That is a horrible thing to do especially to someone who just passed away.

Was she close to Conrad Murray and how did she get into the picture?

Who are these people she refuses to talk about because she knows them?

Like I've said before, I'm keeping my mind open. On one hand I want to believe that Conrad was just a greedy man and was in it alone or just a careless doctor but it's hard to believe that if his workers are lying, putting themself in a good light, acting as if if it weren't for them MJ and his kids would be unhealthy, making MJ seem like an addict but yet not saying anything about other names when asked. That might also mean the person is worried about their life if they say the wrong thing.

I'm guessing she and Murray may not know eachother at all and that the "powers that be" stumbled upon her and peeped out a weakness and exploited it in order to get her to do this. All they would have to do is convince her that she's not doing anything wrong and all she has to do is tell the story of MJ looking for Propofol. Why Propofol? Maybe because its, #1 not a controlled substance (unlike the original angle they were taking and would therefore possibly not get Murray into prison and, #2, "plausible" since MJ has reportedly used it in the past and since he did ask her about it (perhaps) in wanting to use it again (perhaps) but that does not mean insisting his doctor use it on him on June 24th, 2009.

That is the very thing. Even if Murray does end up saying to police he gave MJ Propofol, that still does not mean that's what killled MJ.

I feel that if "they" can find any "justification" for doing what they want they will find it. Its not too hard to believe that at the beginning of the year she crossed paths with one of MJ's "associates" whether at the house, or even more intentionally on their part (like following her after she left MJ's house and bumping into her on purpose somewhere, I know its random but what's beyond rich crooks? Nothing, not even bugging all the rooms in MJ's house for the sole purpose of looking for a foot-hold) I put nothing passed "them" and #3, it leaves the body shortly after use so any investigations are likely to prove "inconclusive" and he gets to roller skate home.

At least our minds are searching ... and not swollowing all the media's nonesense WHOLE. There are too many questions the media didn't ask.

They got their ratings for the month of July and they're just on to another story. Interesting this happened the last week in June. One week before the beginning of Nielson Ratings Sweep Month (July)

Someone here had said that since Propofol is not a controlled substance the only doctors that would be in trouble would be the ones who subscribed MJ controlled substances in excess. I don't see that. They are clearly going with the Murray/Propofol angle while investigating a lot of other doctors' practices of prescribing controlled substances.

It seems like to me they have already set up (planned ahead of time) for Murray to take the fall by associating him with Propofol/MJ, which I feel was all planned, all of it, including the "fall" which won't be much of a "fall" when all is said and done and his new baby and other kids get some child support and his woman gets a new house and he gets to rescue his practices and take a vacation to Tahiti next year, meanwhile the DEA is using this opportunity to bust the illegal prescription drug traffikers since that is, afterall, the DEA's job and they were put on a trail at the beginning of this situation until Murray's "associates" saw clear to go with a more leniency-oriented angle, something that would not get them in nearly as much trouble. "Hey let's forget the Demerol, let's just go with the Propofol". That's the way it seems to me anyway right now anyway, or something like that. OK so I'm overly suspicious ... I just don't trust anything! :lol: .

 

[Kizmic]

I'm guessing she and Murray may not know eachother at all and that the "powers that be" stumbled upon her and peeped out a weakness and exploited it in order to get her to do this. All they would have to do is convince her that she's not doing anything wrong and all she has to do is tell the story of MJ looking for Propofol. Why Propofol? Maybe because its, #1 not a controlled substance (unlike the original angle they were taking and would therefore possibly not get Murray into prison and, #2, "plausible" since MJ has reportedly used it in the past and since he did ask her about it (perhaps) in wanting to use it again (perhaps) but that does not mean insisting his doctor use it on him on June 24th, 2009.

That is the very thing. Even if Murray does end up saying to police he gave MJ Propofol, that still does not mean that's what killled MJ.

I feel that if "they" can find any "justification" for doing what they want they will find it. Its not too hard to believe that at the beginning of the year she crossed paths with one of MJ's "associates" whether at the house, or even more intentionally on their part (like following her after she left MJ's house and bumping into her on purpose somewhere, I know its random but what's beyond rich crooks? Nothing, not even bugging all the rooms in MJ's house for the sole purpose of looking for a foot-hold) I put nothing passed "them" and #3, it leaves the body shortly after use so any investigations are likely to prove "inconclusive" and he gets to roller skate home.

At least our minds are searching ... and not swollowing all the media's nonesense WHOLE. There are too many questions the media didn't ask.

They got their ratings for the month of July and they're just on to another story. Interesting this happened the last week in June. One week before the beginning of Nielson Ratings Sweep Month (July)

Someone here had said that since Propofol is not a controlled substance the only doctors that would be in trouble would be the ones who subscribed MJ controlled substances in excess. I don't see that. They are clearly going with the Murray/Propofol angle while investigating a lot of other doctors' practices of prescribing controlled substances.

It seems like to me they have already set up (planned ahead of time) for Murray to take the fall by associating him with Propofol/MJ, which I feel was all planned, all of it, including the "fall" which won't be much of a "fall" when all is said and done and his new baby and other kids get some child support and his woman gets a new house and he gets to rescue his practices and take a vacation to Tahiti next year, meanwhile the DEA is using this opportunity to bust the illegal prescription drug traffikers since that is, afterall, the DEA's job and they were put on a trail at the beginning of this situation until Murray's "associates" saw clear to go with a more leniency-oriented angle, something that would not get them in nearly as much trouble. "Hey let's forget the Demerol, let's just go with the Propofol". That's the way it seems to me anyway right now anyway, or something like that. OK so I'm overly suspicious ... I just don't trust anything! :lol: .

Another woman is now claiming MJ asked her for dipravin. I realllly don't believe this lady at all.

My first thought was "what a B"

http://spotlight.vitals.com/2009/08/dr-susan-etok-denies-supplying-michael-jackson-with-drugs/

 

[Soso Deaf]

she was hired as a nutritionist...so she's not a certified nurse who was working w/him on a day to day basis like someone in respite care. she was advising him on what to eat, giving him vitamins, etc....

 

[SoS]

she was a healthcare provider and supposedly a conscientious a registered nurse practitioner making a house call, her specialty may have been nutritionist ...it was still private information

Another thing is if he did call her on Fathers' Day to tell her about these scary symptoms and her advice was 'go to the hospital', how, in view of her initial warnings (earlier in the year) about Propofol, is he going to, in view of those terrifying symptoms, turn around 2 days later and say, "hay knock me out with some of that stuff".

It may have happened, but why would we buy it just-like-that being MJ was health conscious, and every right to be a bit 'paranoid' of that drug, especially at that point.

See, none of these people are ever likely to end up on any witness stand for them to be asked.

That, I feel is the whole modus operandi. Throw the entire trail off of the truth.

If Michael Jackson was livin' he wouldn't let this be no, no.

 

[Autumn II]

Another thing is if he did call her on Fathers' Day to tell her about these scary symptoms and her advice was 'go to the hospital', how, in view of her initial warnings (earlier in the year) about Propofol, is he going to, in view of those terrifying symptoms, turn around 2 days later and say, "hay knock me out with some of that stuff".

He would NOT say that right after a major health-scare. I just can't imagine that he would request to be "knocked out with some of that stuff." He was NOT an idiot. He wouldn't on-the-one-hand request advice about vitamins and nutrition (health-conscious) and then take such a dangerous drug. Michael had a lot of medical knowledge. It was an interest of his, and there are reports that he bought medical books when "book-shopping." He had an extensive library, and was very intelligent. I think that discussion with Cheryln about Propofol NEVER HAPPENED! Think about it? Some people have suggested he used it in the past, on tour. If so, he KNEW what it was, and knew the risks. He'd have no need to ask Cheryln anything about it. Another thing, I'm nearly positive that he owned a PDR. Why wouldn't he? I mean. . drugs? A PDR is a physician's bible, and has a lot of drug information. I repeat, Michael was NOT an idiot!

The Propofol may have been what killed him, but I doubt he asked for it. I can't prove anything, but I do think that he was deliberately murdered, and that Murray will be the fall-guy. The mention of Propofol by Cheryln was probably to steer the investigation (and public opinion) in that way, putting the blame squarely on Murray, and not necessarily anyone else.

Remember at first, "the leak" was that Michael had had an injection of Demerol? And then that possibility conveniently went away?

And consider this? What if there was a larger plot here (and I think there was). What if Murray was told by. . . whoever. . . .that "sure, the Propofol will never be found and you'll be in the clear." And then it either was found, or Murray, too, was set up.

Clear as mud.

 

[AllForMJ]

And we must also keep in mind that Michael himself kept saying he felt there was a conspiracy. He never stopped believing this. He is singing about it in "Unbreakable."

Now, he has mysteriously passed away in a mansion manned by security guards and non-working telephone land lines?

He had a doctor living on site who would not take him to the hospital during a sign of illness and would not immediately call 911 during a sign of total distress.

If Michael had stopped breathing inside of a hospital, the words Code Blue would have been loudly coming over the intercom.

This doctor would not even sign off on the death certificate following Michael's death and then there is this nurse that is violating the Privacy Act via television for all to witness.

I think it is high time that members of law enforcement start looking into what Michael had been saying. He was not dilusional.

He was a hands-on dad caring for three young children. He was taking them to work so they could get a feel of what he does for a living and see it with their own eyes. He was working on his music in a recording studio. He was working on a huge concert. He was directly involved in picking the dancers. He was directly involved in designing the staging and theme for the concert. He was working directly with individuals that were getting his finances squared away. He was looking just a gorgeous as ever. He was smiling and laughing. He was interacting with his fans. He was out visting art festivals, shopping for art pieces. He was taking his children to book stores, the movies, the circus and all these other places that are fun.

In short, he was not acting like a drug addict and he sure was not looking like someone that had given up on their life. Michael was gearing up. The night before he passed away, he had told Kenny Ortega he'd see him tomorrow.

It seems like in addition to looking into Dr. Murray, the investigators should also be looking for other people to tie into this thing along with Dr. Murray.

 

[kasume]

He would NOT say that right after a major health-scare. I just can't imagine that he would request to be "knocked out with some of that stuff." He was NOT an idiot. He wouldn't on-the-one-hand request advice about vitamins and nutrition (health-conscious) and then take such a dangerous drug. Michael had a lot of medical knowledge. It was an interest of his, and there are reports that he bought medical books when "book-shopping." He had an extensive library, and was very intelligent. I think that discussion with Cheryln about Propofol NEVER HAPPENED! Think about it? Some people have suggested he used it in the past, on tour. If so, he KNEW what it was, and knew the risks. He'd have no need to ask Cheryln anything about it. Another thing, I'm nearly positive that he owned a PDR. Why wouldn't he? I mean. . drugs? A PDR is a physician's bible, and has a lot of drug information. I repeat, Michael was NOT an idiot!

Like I said before, If anyone is so concerned about their health and eats nearly nothing but healthy foods, why would they turn the other way and pop in so many pills in their system. According to the chef, Michael wanted the very best for his body.


I don't see him asking for propofol either.

And I wonder....so he felt he wasn't getting the right nutrition and didn't bother once to call up that nutritionist Cheryln Lee. (it was the chef he called) And instead, when he did call up the nutritionist, it was for some damn propofol. That's wierd.

 

[jemini515]

He would NOT say that right after a major health-scare. I just can't imagine that he would request to be "knocked out with some of that stuff." He was NOT an idiot. He wouldn't on-the-one-hand request advice about vitamins and nutrition (health-conscious) and then take such a dangerous drug. Michael had a lot of medical knowledge. It was an interest of his, and there are reports that he bought medical books when "book-shopping." He had an extensive library, and was very intelligent. I think that discussion with Cheryln about Propofol NEVER HAPPENED! Think about it? Some people have suggested he used it in the past, on tour. If so, he KNEW what it was, and knew the risks. He'd have no need to ask Cheryln anything about it. Another thing, I'm nearly positive that he owned a PDR. Why wouldn't he? I mean. . drugs? A PDR is a physician's bible, and has a lot of drug information. I repeat, Michael was NOT an idiot!

The Propofol may have been what killed him, but I doubt he asked for it. I can't prove anything, but I do think that he was deliberately murdered, and that Murray will be the fall-guy. The mention of Propofol by Cheryln was probably to steer the investigation (and public opinion) in that way, putting the blame squarely on Murray, and not necessarily anyone else.

Remember at first, "the leak" was that Michael had had an injection of Demerol? And then that possibility conveniently went away?

And consider this? What if there was a larger plot here (and I think there was). What if Murray was told by. . . whoever. . . .that "sure, the Propofol will never be found and you'll be in the clear." And then it either was found, or Murray, too, was set up.

Clear as mud.

Thank you for your post Victoria -- I think you some up everything really well. I believe what you are saying is correct. It's true -- people are forgetting that the "leak" was Demerol for those first few days...

 

[Soso Deaf]

u guys are missing the biggest thing she said mj told her. to US it may be scary, to US it may make sense to go to the hospital but SHE claims HE toldher his doctor said it was safe. it was ok it was fine.

so using this medicine to go to sleep was ok, then it has nothing to do w/ y im feeling this way. b/c there are reports mj had an anesthesiologist w/ him on the history tour. y? if that's true, then he wasn't new to this idea. maybe it wasn't diprivan back then, maybe it was something else.

but he was worried when she told him it was dangerous, according to her. he was reassuring HER that it was ok.

 

[SexyMamaJo]

But going back to your mother. In the three years that she never violated that rule (as well she should not have) and she heard a loud crash upstairs knowing there's an old lady upstairs, you don't think your mom would do something??? Let's say the old lady's son comes running downstairs and says, "quick!! get the next door neighbor!!!!" you don't think your mom would try and make sure the next door neighbor made their way upstairs insofar as it would depend upon your mother? You don't think your mother would stand at the bottom of the stairs to at least try and find out what's going on?

Of course she will do something about it. I remember Kai said she asked Conrad if everything was ok when he came downstairs and told her to get Prince. Again, Murray didn't say anything to her like MJ has collapsed or MJ is not breathing etc. Didn't she ask Murray if everything is ok and he kept saying go get Prince. Kai's story is the only story that makes sense to me so far.

 

[troubleman84]

u guys are missing the biggest thing she said mj told her. to US it may be scary, to US it may make sense to go to the hospital but SHE claims HE toldher his doctor said it was safe. it was ok it was fine.

so using this medicine to go to sleep was ok, then it has nothing to do w/ y im feeling this way. b/c there are reports mj had an anesthesiologist w/ him on the history tour. y? if that's true, then he wasn't new to this idea. maybe it wasn't diprivan back then, maybe it was something else.

but he was worried when she told him it was dangerous, according to her. he was reassuring HER that it was ok.

Then why didn't she press the dude that it was wrong? I don't care if you're Michael Jackson or Joe Blow, if I knew that the sh*t was bad, I'll show 'em. That's just like allowing a crackhead to keep on smoking pipes even though they know that the sh*t f*cks up your body and mind.

 

[Naturelle]

He would NOT say that right after a major health-scare. I just can't imagine that he would request to be "knocked out with some of that stuff." He was NOT an idiot. He wouldn't on-the-one-hand request advice about vitamins and nutrition (health-conscious) and then take such a dangerous drug. Michael had a lot of medical knowledge. It was an interest of his, and there are reports that he bought medical books when "book-shopping." He had an extensive library, and was very intelligent. I think that discussion with Cheryln about Propofol NEVER HAPPENED! Think about it? Some people have suggested he used it in the past, on tour. If so, he KNEW what it was, and knew the risks. He'd have no need to ask Cheryln anything about it. Another thing, I'm nearly positive that he owned a PDR. Why wouldn't he? I mean. . drugs? A PDR is a physician's bible, and has a lot of drug information. I repeat, Michael was NOT an idiot!

The Propofol may have been what killed him, but I doubt he asked for it. I can't prove anything, but I do think that he was deliberately murdered, and that Murray will be the fall-guy. The mention of Propofol by Cheryln was probably to steer the investigation (and public opinion) in that way, putting the blame squarely on Murray, and not necessarily anyone else.

Remember at first, "the leak" was that Michael had had an injection of Demerol? And then that possibility conveniently went away?

And consider this? What if there was a larger plot here (and I think there was). What if Murray was told by. . . whoever. . . .that "sure, the Propofol will never be found and you'll be in the clear." And then it either was found, or Murray, too, was set up.

Clear as mud.

HOT DOG!!! YOU GO Vic...I'm sure he owned one to. I recall her telling her story about the night he couldn't sleep. she said she put the book on his lap and told him to read it and he wasn't interested, and and said he continued to look at the DVD with Walt Disney.....

 

[Soso Deaf]

timmy im sure she did and that's y she didn't give it to him. she didn't give in. if she was supporting murray, y the hell wouldshe paint herself as a good person who refused to consider doing something illegal to help a patient...but murray would?

it was demerol first, right...then it became diprivan.....makes plausible sense. it's not like u can't find propofol in the tissue after someone has passed. now if they said fentanyl and then ended up on diprivan, then there'd be some confusion

 

[meena76]

We need to take control of this situation. We are the ones that love Michael and know what :angel: and who he is. You will not tell us just anything and think we will just believe it.

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They have really underestimated the love we have for Michael, our shitty. And they underestimated Michael. They thought he was so naive, but what the fail to understand is the power of love. And Michael gave it in abundance. They could never see where his true power lay. Why do we all love Michael soooo much? Think about it. Through his love for us (an unconditional love) he helped the ones that needed help, he inspired the ones that needed inspiration, he saved the ones that needed saving, he and helped those whom where lost find themselves. Really, I have read so many testimonials that tell how Michael literally saved them. Me, he has transformed. I now know what my purpose is in life, and through the grace of God I will fulfill my purpose. I owe Michael so much and I am positive a lot of you feel the same way. The love he gave us is so powerful. It is the type of love that God wants all of us to give. And we know it, that's why Michael's connection with us is so strong. The evil people that took Michael away from us can't even begin to comprehend it. And this is why we are so powerful and we have to channel that love that Michael gave us toward one central objective. That is, to not let these Murders get away with this. I know these people will have to stand before God and explain why they did what they did.

But, just one time I want to see justice served here on earth as well. ray:

Michael deserves this from us. He gave us so much. These people took things to a whole other level and Now it is time we get on their level. They are playing for keeps. Michael is gone and he will NEVER come back. This is a reality.

http://www.mjjcommunity.com/forum/showthread.php?t=74045

 

[meena76]

timmy im sure she did and that's y she didn't give it to him. she didn't give in. if she was supporting murray, y the hell wouldshe paint herself as a good person who refused to consider doing something illegal to help a patient...but murray would?

it was demerol first, right...then it became diprivan.....makes plausible sense. it's not like u can't find propofol in the tissue after someone has passed. now if they said fentanyl and then ended up on diprivan, then there'd be some confusion

I have a question for you.

You are obviously close to Michael. Do you know anything concrete about Michael using or nor using this drug and if so what exactly do you know about it?

I do believe Michael used this method of sleep in the past during tours (but only during tours). I feel this is one of the main reason he did not like to tour. He knew what he had to do to his body in order to perform at the level expected from him. The difference is he had an Anesthesiologist which I am sure had all the proper equipment.