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BillieJean84

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I dont know where to begin. I've loved and had empathy for MJ since I was at least 8.

Since his death I have been thinking: There must not be a god. Don't get me wrong MJ was serously an angel from above. But hes gone now and not just gone, but taken in such a malicious way- the person responsible is still free.

I don't know what else to say i'm filled with emotions and this is gnna be merged and thats ok.

MJ is the one man that EVERY man should take after. Should be just like.

Bad things happen to good people and thats definatley an understatement in this case. I know hes in a better place and thats the 1 thread that I'm hanging onto to make me think that I'm gonna be better soon, that his kids are gonna be better soon.... Just that 1 thread I'm hanging onto. He doesnt have to worry about ppl ridiculing him anymore. Those ppl for all i care can burn in HE**


Anyway. Your Thoughts???? PS I really dont mean to offend anyone here so I apologize for the headline if I did ...
 
& to add: I understand the suicides that ppl did upon hearing of MJ's death. I seriously wish I was one of those suicides
 
nahh....Michael would not want you to commit suicide,,,,he would want you to continue to spread his message...and we all know that was a message of love....I know it is hard at times to understand what happened to Michael and why it happened.....we all agree on that...But if you believed in God before Michael's death...then I think that you know that God didn't kill Michael..Murray did......I think that God was merciful on Michael....he passed while sleeping...this means that he felt no pain...and for that I am SOOOO greatful to God.

We are all trying to be patient for the outcome...for the arrest of Muray and alll those who are responsible for Mcihael's death....You are not alone here...we all understand how you feel...:hugs to you:
 
BillieJean84 said:
& to add: I understand the suicides that ppl did upon hearing of MJ's death. I seriously wish I was one of those suicides
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Please don't think about doing anything like that. Just remember that we're all here for you and you can always talk about your problems here. It really is such a permanent solution to a temporary problem. The pain might not ever go away but it does get better and you do learn to live with it and soon you won't think about his death, you'll think about Michael and the memories he's left you.
I understand how you feel - why did he have to go? Everybody has a time to go and it might have been too early but God wanted Michael more. :better:
 
No no no, no thinking of killing yourself, no no no! None of that.
We're all gonna die sooner or later - let's not shorten our time here but make the most of it, the other side - we're gonna have that forever after, right?
Stay strong hun, don't... Please.

Who knows if there's a god or not - none of us know. Some believe there is, some think all we got is here and now, and once we close our eyes for the final time - that's it.
I understand how you feel - the anger at someone as wonderful, kind, good to the core as Michael was being taken away from us in such a sensless, untimely manner...
But such is life, unfortunately. These things happen every day.
Death is just another fact of life.
We need to stay strong and pull through. Okay? Together.:better:
 
I never thought it would happen to Michael like this and so soon... This is all so horrible. Every day I just am in so much pain. It hurts so much :cry:
 
There is a God and he is very real to me. God does not kill people. When it's our time, it's our time.

With that said, please do not kill yourself. I have known 2 people who did this back in the 1980's, and it breaks my heart that they chose to go like that, instead of waiting for their time.

My grandparents would not want me to kill myself because they are in Heaven. In fact, they would be heartbroken.

Suicide is not the answer hun. Get help if you have to.

Hugs!
 
I believe there is a God.. but I dont understand why it happened so soon. I just cant find an answer.. and then I realize there isn't one :(
 
If there were no God, we'd never have had Michael to begin with....just my thoughts.

God and I aren't always on good terms, but I do believe He's there. I don't believe He controls every thing on earth because, after all, wasn't it God that gave mankind free will? Most of us use our free will for good things, positive things, for family and friends and all the we love and hold dear. But some people (like Murray), use their free will in other ways.

I just don't believe that God would have given us free will, if He were going to control every single that mankind does. Sadly, some things that people do bring harm to others, and cause others much pain and sadness. It's not God punishing us, it's God reminding us that life is a gift and we can never take it or granted. I also believe that God is using Michael in other ways now that he's no longer on earth. It doesn't make sense to us, and it seems so unfair, and so painful. But somehow, someday, hopefully we can all find some way to heal and to move forward.

This also reminds me of a favorite quote, which can apply to our love for Michael:

"Tis better to have loved and lost, than never to have loved at all."

Hugs to you and to everyone that needs it!
 
well Michael was Gods greatest miracle... Im so thankful to have known Michael and his music... Wooooooow. I cant imagine being born in the 1800s and never having a chance to hear it. Im so blessed for that. On the other hand its just not fair that we didnt get as long with Michael as we wanted. but I do feel there is a heaven and we will see him again. This is NOT it!! we will have eternity with Michael. Michael probably already made arrangments for a special place for his fans in heaven! :)
 
TinaG said:
If there were no God, we'd never have had Michael to begin with....just my thoughts.

God and I aren't always on good terms, but I do believe He's there. I don't believe He controls every thing on earth because, after all, wasn't it God that gave mankind free will? Most of us use our free will for good things, positive things, for family and friends and all the we love and hold dear. But some people (like Murray), use their free will in other ways.

I just don't believe that God would have given us free will, if He were going to control every single that mankind does. Sadly, some things that people do bring harm to others, and cause others much pain and sadness. It's not God punishing us, it's God reminding us that life is a gift and we can never take it or granted. I also believe that God is using Michael in other ways now that he's no longer on earth. It doesn't make sense to us, and it seems so unfair, and so painful. But somehow, someday, hopefully we can all find some way to heal and to move forward.

This also reminds me of a favorite quote, which can apply to our love for Michael:

"Tis better to have loved and lost, than never to have loved at all."

Hugs to you and to everyone that needs it!
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Well said, TinaG!! Hugs!!
 
God is there. He granted us the ability to choose and placed us on this earth. What happened to Michael and many others is the result of either their choices or someone else's. Everybody will harvest what they have planted and will face the consequences of their actions. As for committing suicide, every life is just as precious as any other life. We are entrusted with these souls. We have not earned them to forsake them. Michael was a man. A good and talented man. There are people just as good or even better than he was. He had shortcomings as he had strengths. Michael will definitely be rewarded for the tribulations he went through and the good he did. But again, any of us can do good like Michael did. Michael gave a lot of money, but he was rich. I have seen people give money that they need to others. I am not trying to bring Michael down or offend anyone. All I am trying to say that he was a human whose life should be an example. Michael we knew and have seen his good, but there are many many good people whom we don't know. He is not the only good person who walked this earth and will not be the last.
 
zizousama said:
God is there. He granted us the ability to choose and placed us on this earth. What happened to Michael and many others is the result of either their choices or someone else's. Everybody will harvest what they have planted and will face the consequences of their actions. As for committing suicide, every life is just as precious as any other life. We are entrusted with these souls. We have not earned them to forsake them. Michael was a man. A good and talented man. There are people just as good or even better than he was. He had shortcomings as he had strengths. Michael will definitely be rewarded for the tribulations he went through and the good he did. But again, any of us can do good like Michael did. Michael gave a lot of money, but he was rich. I have seen people give money that they need to others. I am not trying to bring Michael down or offend anyone. All I am trying to say that he was a human whose life should be an example. Michael we knew and have seen his good, but there are many many good people whom we don't know. He is not the only good person who walked this earth and will not be the last.
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Amen!! My grandmother was one of those people and of course you all didn't know her. She was awesome, and was a wonderful grandma to her 8 grandkids.

And it really upsets me when people say there is NO God because Michael died. If you believed before, one should still believe now. Just saying!
 
Well someone told me that god takes good people first because he doesn't want them to suffer anymore in this earth, or could be just that their time is finished in earth. However Michael should still be here with his children and enjoying the success of his concerts!!
 
TinaG said:
If there were no God, we'd never have had Michael to begin with....just my thoughts.

God and I aren't always on good terms, but I do believe He's there. I don't believe He controls every thing on earth because, after all, wasn't it God that gave mankind free will? Most of us use our free will for good things, positive things, for family and friends and all the we love and hold dear. But some people (like Murray), use their free will in other ways.

I just don't believe that God would have given us free will, if He were going to control every single that mankind does. Sadly, some things that people do bring harm to others, and cause others much pain and sadness. It's not God punishing us, it's God reminding us that life is a gift and we can never take it or granted. I also believe that God is using Michael in other ways now that he's no longer on earth. It doesn't make sense to us, and it seems so unfair, and so painful. But somehow, someday, hopefully we can all find some way to heal and to move forward.
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Tina, this is a convincing and very logical post. :clapping:This is sensible, rational, and I believe that that is how we should view it.

God gives us, for example with the 10 commandments, a template for our lifestyle - how we should shape our lives so that we get on well with our lives. Whether we want to live by the 10 Commandments, we decide. What we make of our lives, how we act, what we consider to be right or wrong - it's up to us. We are responsible for our actions, for our thinking. We decide how we treat our fellow human beings. We set the priorities for our lives. Not God! If God had the final say on everything, we wouldn't make mistakes. Our life on this earth is like a test for us. After we are dead, the "Day of the Lord" decides our fate. It's the final and eternal judgment by God. What Murray has done, he has to account for himself. God has nothing to do with Michael's death. So it wasn't Michael's time. It was Michael's and Murray's decision to enter into an employment relationship with each other. In the end...our own common sense and a degree of caution are two important factors for self-protection. But people make mistakes.

Why are innocent babies born sick into this world?
Did the mother smoke? Did the mother drink alcohol during pregnancy? Are the environmental factors to blame? Is it a terrible coincidence? Where is the responsibility? By God, or at least among the people?


Why are plain crashes so tragic?
We stick our trust in man-made transportation! We put our trust in the pilots. We put our trust in the engineers. When we get on a plane, we must always reckon with death. That's for sure!

We don't have complete control over what will happen.
But proper/rational action can protect ourselves from pain and sorrow.
And with God's word, everything is easier. God's word promises less suffering on this earth.
If Murray had not been for greed, but had heard the word of God, he would be happier today.
He is responsible for our present suffering.



Michael.
 
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God didn't take Michael, man did. He'd still be here if it wasn't for the action of man.

Michael had a strong belief in God even after what he went through. He had his questions, like you are having now, but he still had his faith.
 
Death is an important reminder for us all. Imagine what people would be like if they thought they were immortal. Death humbles the arrogant and reminds us that we are not invincible for our minds get deluded and we forget.
 
lovelymj said:
Well someone told me that god takes good people first because he doesn't want them to suffer anymore in this earth, or could be just that their time is finished in earth. However Michael should still be here with his children and enjoying the success of his concerts!!
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I believe God said enough was enough and he brought his angel home. There is a God, we just have to have failth. I look at my life and I am so thankful God is here. I would be truly lost if it wasn't for God. He blesses my life and every aspect of it. God is the one who blessed us with Michael. Think if he didn't?
 
Yes I agree, Man took Michael. God doesn't condone murder. And Michael was murdered. He could of intervened yes, but haven't enough been done to him. At some point it all has to stop. As much as it hurts. Michael is in heaven where he truly deserves to be.

Yes I truly believe Michael had very strong faith in God.
Rockin. said:
God didn't take Michael, man did. He'd still be here if it wasn't for the action of man.

Michael had a strong belief in God even after what he went through. He had his questions, like you are having now, but he still had his faith.
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BTW thank you all for posting your gracious thoughts on this. I have depression and had since I was about 18 & it comes and goes. This isn't my first time I've contemplated it...

I've been just fine actually - before june 25 and then I think about MJ alot because I've been a fan since I was at least 7 or 8. & of course i get sad again. I feel like I'm going to wake up from a 4 month old, very very bad nightmare. I never do...


So, thanks again for your kind words.
Much love
Tiffany
 
BillieJean84 said:
I dont know where to begin. I've loved and had empathy for MJ since I was at least 8.

Since his death I have been thinking: There must not be a god. Don't get me wrong MJ was serously an angel from above. But hes gone now and not just gone, but taken in such a malicious way- the person responsible is still free.

I don't know what else to say i'm filled with emotions and this is gnna be merged and thats ok.

MJ is the one man that EVERY man should take after. Should be just like.

Bad things happen to good people and thats definatley an understatement in this case. I know hes in a better place and thats the 1 thread that I'm hanging onto to make me think that I'm gonna be better soon, that his kids are gonna be better soon.... Just that 1 thread I'm hanging onto. He doesnt have to worry about ppl ridiculing him anymore. Those ppl for all i care can burn in HE**


Anyway. Your Thoughts???? PS I really dont mean to offend anyone here so I apologize for the headline if I did ...
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I know that on this board there are various beliefs, and all are to be respected. Personally, I BELIEVE that there is a God. Too much has happened in my own life that is truly unexplainable and miraculous, for me not to believe. . . . . .

Whatever you are feeling at the moment. . the sadness. . is not permanent. It just feels like it is? So hang in there, ok? There is a lot of love on this board, and L.O.V.E. is what Michael was/is all about. You KNOW that.

So why was Michael taken from us? I really don't know. What I do know is that God is REAL, and that we have CHOICES to make in our lives. We have free-will. We can choose "goodness," or we can choose otherwise. We must try to always make the loving choices, and we must include ourselves in that mix. Make choices for healing and health.. . . . choose "goodness," ok? As Michael said, we write our own histories.

Hang in there. Things WILL improve. I just know it. . . .

Vic
 
Only God knows why bad things happen to good people.
 
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Michael did have so much faith in God. I've seen these interviews where Michael would actually be thanking God for things. I can never understand why this happened but I will keep believing that Michael is in heaven and God will take care of him! It would be so scary to think if there was no God. What would we be here for then? We are here for a reason I believe. Life is only a test. After death we will live eternally. Thats what I believe. I also believe we will see Michael again in the afterlife.
 
Please do not take your life. Michael's passing should not cause anyone not to believe in God or not believe in Him stronger. God gave us free will and some use it for sin, as in the case with Dr. Murray. I really hope he's punished on earth too, believe me, but whether or not he is, he will be in the next life. Please open your heart to believing in God. I mean where did we and everything come from, of course we didn't come from nothing.
 
Michelle MC said:
Please do not take your life. Michael's passing should not cause anyone not to believe in God or not believe in Him stronger. God gave us free will and some use it for sin, as in the case with Dr. Murray. I really hope he's punished on earth too, believe me, but whether or not he is, he will be in the next life. Please open your heart to believing in God. I mean where did we and everything come from, of course we didn't come from nothing.
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Great post, Michelle.
 
Please dont Hurt you self do it for MJ he want you to live and contunue doing his work of helping childern in need visting them and speding time with them
 
But why did Michael have to suffer so much? :cry: All those horrible allegations, the scandalous lies that were made up about him, the heartache....
It's not fair that one so beautiful, kind, giving and loving had to go through all that. And I know that he is so strong and had his faith in God and that he had a lot of joy in his life too..but it's still so unfair and cruel.
So cruel that he has been taken physically away from us :( From his kids...his life. That kills me.
 
BillieJean84 said:
Then answer me this: Why do bad things happen to good people????
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I don't know hun, I am not going to pretend I understand everything. Something’s just are not meant for us to understand. Honestly I still don't fully understand why Michael is no longer here on earth. But I know, I just don't want to admit it.

I will attempt to answer your question, to test our Faith. God wasn't us to be loyal to him, put our faith in him not man, and praise him. We all go through trials and tribulations in our lives, but it's a test. To see just how strong our Faith is in God. These test; all they do is strengthen us, our flesh.

Us all losing Michael is a test of our Faith. God knows how much we all love him. He didn't take him away from us to hurt us, but to simply give Michael the peace he deserved and needed. But, what about us? Hmmm, here comes the tricky part. Michael went on to heaven, so know we have a choice to make (this is where our free will comes in). Through all the hurt and pain do we turn away from God or do we reach out for him and ask him for more strength. I choose the latter. One thing I do believe is God puts nothing on us we can't handle. If you turn to God, he will get you through it.

Michael is in heaven I believe this with everything in me. I pray I will one day be able to fully rejoice his homecoming. I do now, on some level, but the pain still weighs heavily on my heart so I am still mourning him.

I will continue to pray to God for strength and continue to have faith in God. I will pray for us all. We have a long road ahead of us and only our continued and renewed Faith in God is going to get us through it.

He say's it so well, "Keep The Faith" -mj
 
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