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An interview here with Joe who says he thinks Dr Murray is a fall guy.

http://www.foxnews.com/video2/video...Url=http://www.foxnews.com/geraldo/index.html

He also says Prince told him that Michael did not have needle marks all over his arms he just had one on each arm where he had the IV.

The IV may have been used for adminstering electrolytes, of which depletion occurs when severe dehydration takes place. Dick Gregory said that Michael got so dehydrated during the trials that he nearly died.

Michael is also quoted as saying that everytime he prepares for a tour, he loses weight, gets severely dehydrated and can't eat.
 
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It made me chuckle a bit at the end how Geraldo asked if the kids have talent and Joe goes, "OF COURSE! All the Jacksons have talent!"
 
Gaiaschild said:
An interview here with Joe who says he thinks Dr Murray is a fall guy.

http://www.foxnews.com/video2/video...Url=http://www.foxnews.com/geraldo/index.html

He also says Prince told him that Michael did not have needle marks all over his arms he just had one on each arm where he had the IV.

The IV may have been used for adminstering electrolytes, of which depletion occurs when severe dehydration takes place. Dick Gregory said that Michael got so dehydrated during the trials that he nearly died.

Michael is also quoted as saying that everytime he prepares for a tour, he loses weight, gets severely dehydrated and can't eat.
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So where did that quote come from? Probably tabloid junk. I'm glad Joe didn't say that.
 
MJJ:G.O.A.T said:
So where did that quote come from? Probably tabloid junk. I'm glad Joe didn't say that.
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Joe said this in the interview if you listen to it. He asked prince if Michael had needle marks on his arms and prince said one on each arm for the IV. He said this to make a point about the media lying about needle marks all over him, there were not he says. The IV though dick gregory said was for electrolytes due for dehydration not drugs.
 
If us fans agree with Joe on anything, it's of what happened to Michael. When he said it was foul play, when he said something "isn't right", and now about the fall guy.

I know it may sound strange. But I have a sort of feeling inside me that Michael is telling me the truth, that something did happen and he WAS murdered on purpose. It's just this feeling that won't go away.
 
Gaiaschild said:
Joe said this in the interview if you listen to it. He asked prince if Michael had needle marks on his arms and prince said one on each arm for the IV. He said this to make a point about the media lying about needle marks all over him, there were not he says. The IV though dick gregory said was for electrolytes due for dehydration not drugs.
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No I mean how people were claiming Joe said that Prince told him that MJ had needle marks all over his arms. That is what I was saying where'd that come from if Joe says he never said it.
 
Right from the start...I do believe and still does that MJ was killed......I just dont know by WHO or WHY.

His death was just so MYSTERIOUS and the people that he had cut ties before suddenly appeared again weeks before his DEATH....that just puzzled me so much....
 
Yeah and Michael was in great health according to the autopsies.. It was such a very sudden death.
 
Well, to say that he's the "fall guy", or he's not to blame is wrong. Because all in all, whether intentional or not he KILLED Michael. Murray is a doctor. He knew what the risks were of administering this medication in a home setting. He did not have the proper set-up. It does not matter if previous doctor's had administered the drug to Michael. Every Doctor, just like every person has a point in time to make a decision. He made the wrong decision and should pay the penalty for such behaviour.
 
Murrey is not the fall guy, he is the killer, however you look at it, even if people believe Michael was addicted, Murrey put the propofol into him with no monitoring and no effective means of recusitating him, then waited for a ridiculous amount of time before getting help, only when it was too late.

He may well have been paid to do it, and others should go to jail as well, but if Murrey had not given him that injection Michael would be alive today.
 
I think when he says 'fall guy' he doesn't mean that he's not responsible. On the contrary, if we were to go with the murder conspiracy theory then someone higher on the 'food chain' hired Murray and all these other ppl in Mike's life with the purpose of killing him and getting away with it knowing only Murray will be charged, eeing how he did the main thing and all...
That is IF we are to believe the theory.
 
Or, perhaps someone who had access to MJ at his residence and knew what the doc was up to, seized an opportunity and took it upon themselves to tweak the drip speed on MJ's IV bag while the doctor was using the bathroom/on the phone/doing who knows what else instead of monitoring MJ.

Who the hell knows.
 
I think when Joe says Murray is the fall guy, he might mean Murrray isn't the only one responsible for Michael's death. The Jackson's suspect foul play as I do and they suspect a conspiracy of people as I also do.
 
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kasume said:
If us fans agree with Joe on anything, it's of what happened to Michael. When he said it was foul play, when he said something "isn't right", and now about the fall guy.

I know it may sound strange. But I have a sort of feeling inside me that Michael is telling me the truth, that something did happen and he WAS murdered on purpose. It's just this feeling that won't go away.
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I have felt that way since June 25th. Michael wants the truth to be told! It is up to us!
 
hilliver said:
Murrey is not the fall guy, he is the killer, however you look at it, even if people believe Michael was addicted, Murrey put the propofol into him with no monitoring and no effective means of recusitating him, then waited for a ridiculous amount of time before getting help, only when it was too late.

He may well have been paid to do it, and others should go to jail as well, but if Murrey had not given him that injection Michael would be alive today.
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I am by no means sticking up for Murray but we do not have proof that he is the one who injected the lethal dose. There very easily could have been others in the house that night. Someone else very well could have drugged Murray so he couldn't monitor Michael?
Who ever has those security tapes knows what happened!
 
kasume said:
If us fans agree with Joe on anything, it's of what happened to Michael. When he said it was foul play, when he said something "isn't right", and now about the fall guy.

I know it may sound strange. But I have a sort of feeling inside me that Michael is telling me the truth, that something did happen and he WAS murdered on purpose. It's just this feeling that won't go away.
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Same here Buddy! same here! I knew I wasn't the only fan who felt this way!!! Thank God I am not alone.
 
eighthnoterojo said:
Or, perhaps someone who had access to MJ at his residence and knew what the doc was up to, seized an opportunity and took it upon themselves to tweak the drip speed on MJ's IV bag while the doctor was using the bathroom/on the phone/doing who knows what else instead of monitoring MJ.

Who the hell knows.
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that is possible and could explain the missing cameras. but only certain people would have acess to the cameras...right??

and we can't assume that michael's guards watched the cameras all night long. after all, even though it was michael jackson's house, it was just a house, not some department store with a bunch of costly jewerls.

I also heard that Michael's manager was with Murray the night before he died...if I remember correctly.

There are so many contradicting stories....

They can easily mix things up so no one knows what's what.

Anyways, I still believe Michael asked for no propofol.....

I have one question: Can't fingerprints be traced on the IV bags used?? or on any of the medical equipment. or anywhere else in the room?
 
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Or, perhaps someone who had access to MJ at his residence and knew what the doc was up to, seized an opportunity and took it upon themselves to tweak the drip speed on MJ's IV bag while the doctor was using the bathroom/on the phone/doing who knows what else instead of monitoring MJ.

Who the hell knows.
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Good point I think this is very possible. I think the whole thing reaks of a coverup
 
Gaiaschild said:
An interview here with Joe who says he thinks Dr Murray is a fall guy.

http://www.foxnews.com/video2/video...Url=http://www.foxnews.com/geraldo/index.html
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The Video didn't play for me, has it disappeared?

IS AEG BEHIND MICHAEL JACKSON’S MURDER???
by Stan Lerner August 10, 2009

In an explosive report delivered this weekend by Fox News’s Geraldo Rivera…Rivera went well beyond implying that Michael Jackson’s concert promoter, AEG, had an interest in the King of Pop’s Death—he used context and comments by Michael Jackson’s mother, Katherine, to accuse AEG of having the man killed whose comeback tour they were promoting. At the root of Rivera’s allegation is an insurance policy for seventeen million dollars that he reports AEG wants to collect on. And adding a tanker truckload of fuel to the fire, is a deal between AEG and Sony to turn AEG’s footage of Michael Jackson’s preparations for his concert tour into two feature length motion pictures—GERALDO SAYS AEG IS TO BE PAID SIXTY MILLION DOLLARS FOR THIS FOOTAGE!!!

Of course AEG denies Geraldo’s allegations…And I know for a fact that AEG President Tim Leiweke has said that this story is going away today—I assume he’s pulling some of those power strings AEG has paid for or threatening Fox with legal action; take your pick. But what everyone has to be asking right now is why did this very same person said that AEG had no financial interest in Michael Jackson’s funeral event held at Staple’s Center? This lack of financial interest is how Mr. Leiweke justified sticking the city with a 1.4 million dollar bill for event related city services. Trying to dissuade ticket holders from cashing in 50 million dollars worth of tickets + 17 million in insurance money (according to Geraldo) + 60 million dollar movie deal = 127 million dollars of financial interest, if Rivera is right.
So, I’ve gone after AEG for a number of issues ranging from taking 300 million in tax credits from the public and not giving the community the events in the public space it promised to being a bad corporate citizen to being in the blogging business and not properly disclosing the obvious conflict of interest when making Tammy Billings the director of marketing for LA Live also the LA Live Examiner. But turning an enormous profit on the apparent murder of Michael Jackson? I write a pretty good novel every now and then and even I couldn’t dream this one up.
I hate the corrupt corporate culture that AEG has brought to our town. They’ve taken our tax credits, involved themselves in our politics, brought nothing but outsiders to manage a project meant to vacuum money back to the Big Boss Phil Anschutz in Denver—and now everyone in Los Angeles has to suffer through the embarrassment of a report that accuses AEG of being in some way responsible for the death of Michael Jackson.
In the first blog I wrote critical of AEG LA Live I made it clear that I had been a supporter of the project and had hoped to have a business relationship with the project that would allow independent blogging 24 / 7 – this did not happen. And I went on to say that putting downtownster’s own financial interest aside it was a very bad business decision by AEG not to have a media presence that demanded transparency and couldn’t be bought—a bad business decision and a major red flag. However, when I consider all of the aforementioned, I’ve met and spoken to Tim Leiwke on several occasions and I can’t imagine AEG / his involvement in this Michael Jackson fiasco being anything close to Geraldo Rivera’s sensational allegations; and they are allegations even if couched in innuendo.
Even I, AEG’s harshest critic, can’t get on board with the report I watched this weekend. But I’ve been calling AEG out for months and they should have been listening. Tim Leiweke and gang need to seriously rethink how they do business and what their responsibilities are to the local community. That includes not getting involved in situations that are so murky Geraldo comes to town.
Twenty years ago the rag known as the LA Times did a hit job on me. So make no mistake about it, I know what a hit job is and downtownster will never be involved in this kind of storytelling. But because downtownster has never been given the access we’ve asked for I cannot defend LA Live from what’s being alleged, but I can say this—Geraldo Rivera and the Jackson Family need to clarify their allegations and put some real proof on the table.
And then let the chips fall where they may
http://downtownster.com/2009/08/is-aeg-behind-michael-jacksons-murder/
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Evidence of the ability to control the media at least?
 
It is still there, he is talking to Geraldo about this is it movie. Here is some of the transcript. It is also on youtube too now

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QzAwKQpquFA

Geraldo: You predicted that Michael would not be long with you.

Joe: Not too long from now, from then.

Geraldo: Because he looked so frail to you?

Joe: Because he looked so frail and the way he was acting. I noticed some things... but she didn't go and pretty soon Michael had left us.

Geraldo: The children... how are they your grandchildren and how are they dealing with life with their father gone?

Joe: They're having a good time. You know we have other kids their size and you know I mean there are swings around the place there and they play games and they go to the movies and all of that. They're having a good time.

Geraldo: Do they ever ask you questions about their dad? Or do they understand what happened?

Joe: They know what happened, they know more than me. They know what happened, and they don't have to ask me anything; sometimes I ask them things you know, like I asked Prince. "Prince, have you ever noticed your father with his shirt off?" He said: "Yeah, many times". I said well "Prince, did you see any marks all over his arms and things?" He said: "No, my father never had marks all over his body, on his arms". He said "but he had one here on his left arm and one on his right arm where they plugged him in to give him this medicine or whatever they were putting in his arm but that's the only one". But in the report, in the news report, when they did the autopsy report, they said that he had marks all over his arm.

Geraldo: So you're saying it was not true that Michael had marks all over his arms?

Joe: (Pause) If they were there, like they said they were there (pause), they came up there some other kind of way.

Geraldo: Do you believe as you said at the time that there was foul play here or do you think this was a tragic accident your son's passing?

Joe: I think it was foul play and it's still being investigated and they're not going to finish until they get to the bottom of it. I know they're not finished with it because, 'cause, I believe the doctor is just the fall guy.
 
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Moonlight said:
The Video didn't play for me, has it disappeared?



Evidence of the ability to control the media at least?
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AEG is owned by Answutz and he owns a small media empire including the examiner. Rothschild's owns associated press so basically controls the media and Tom Barrack is Jacob Rothschild buddy they bought the Savoy Hotels together.

So these people can control the media and the media have gone silent since it was declared homicide which is suspicous. I suspect it was never meant to be declared a homicide.
 
eighthnoterojo said:
Or, perhaps someone who had access to MJ at his residence and knew what the doc was up to, seized an opportunity and took it upon themselves to tweak the drip speed on MJ's IV bag while the doctor was using the bathroom/on the phone/doing who knows what else instead of monitoring MJ.

Who the hell knows.
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And there we have it.
 
kasume said:
If us fans agree with Joe on anything, it's of what happened to Michael. When he said it was foul play, when he said something "isn't right", and now about the fall guy.

I know it may sound strange. But I have a sort of feeling inside me that Michael is telling me the truth, that something did happen and he WAS murdered on purpose. It's just this feeling that won't go away.
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I feel the same way
 
kasume said:
I have one question: Can't fingerprints be traced on the IV bags used?? or on any of the medical equipment. or anywhere else in the room?
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Yes, but a person can wear gloves. Or wipe prints off of what they touch. And to think they only would have had to touch the IV bag. Perhaps a doorknob.

Plus, the area was not cordoned off as a crime scene, so there would probably be all kinds of prints on things. Not useful in court if a crime scene has been tampered with.


They would have needed a bag for the cameras.. I wonder if they were all missing; I've forgotten what the story was on the cameras.

I wish I could stop speculating; painful to imagine, and who really knows what happened. Can't help myself.
 
eighthnoterojo said:
Or, perhaps someone who had access to MJ at his residence and knew what the doc was up to, seized an opportunity and took it upon themselves to tweak the drip speed on MJ's IV bag while the doctor was using the bathroom/on the phone/doing who knows what else instead of monitoring MJ.

Who the hell knows.
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I really believe this too.

I believe that Dr. Murray was framed by someone close to Michael and wanted MJ to die.

OR... Dr. Murray is a hired hitman.
 
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