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MJ was a Sex God -- While Media Pretends Not to Notice

mary said:
Michael has always been a very attractive man to me....and i am now 50 years old.....
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I'm 21 and my friends would consider me a liiiiiittle freaky for being attracted to MJ.
 
Rockin. said:
I'm 21 and my friends would consider me a liiiiiittle freaky for being attracted to MJ.
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Me too and me too. =/

I'll talk about/explain/defend/enlighten anyone on the subject of who he is and why he is great, but I'm very very selective about who I share my real personal feelings for him with. That's why I love MJJC, I can let out all this bottled up passion! LoL. =P
 
PrincessMichaela said:
Me too and me too. =/

I'll talk about/explain/defend/enlighten anyone on the subject of who he is and why he is great, but I'm very very selective about who I share my real personal feelings for him with.
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May I throw out a few ideas? (These aren't directed at you, Princess Michaela, I think you'd probably agree with most of this).

How to share the love --
Thoughts on how to communicate with people hostile to Michael Jackson

His Face. I think it would help fans wanting to share their enthusiasm with friends if they could openly acknowledge what their friends' biggest obstacle is. Most folks are simply not going to find very credible a critique from someone who denies MJ's facial changes were unfortunate. There's a lot of denial on this site.

Look, I know you all find his face beautiful no matter what, but you need to understand that this alone is what's going to always separate you from the rest of the pack. People are rethinking the pedophilia... but not the face, gang. They're trying to get used to it in the movie, but it's really hard for them. Don't push it.

Acknowledge it. Say up front, yeah, I know about his face. Between the burns, the vitiligo, and botched surgery, what happened to his face is unfortunate. Just remind people that he was widely considered gorgeous during the Bad era, which was after most of the changes. But he became fed up with all the makeup to hide the vitiligo blotching and just depigmented his face. The changes became too prominent then. He should have explained sooner, but was incredibly embarrassed. People relate to this.

But tell them: there's more to a man, a singer, songwriter, and dancer than a pretty face! Explain that his sexiness is in how he MOVES!!!!! And in his singing and lyrics... And did I mention, how he MOVES?!!!!

Tell them there was little coverage of his sexual charisma, of the world tours sold out to millions of screaming, fainting women and men, because the media sold more papers showing MJ with his pet chimp.

About the pedophilia. It's no good to gush that he's a saint, an angel on earth, loves all children, and would never do such a thing... they're going to roll their eyes and stop listening. IF the following is true for you (and it SHOULD be), then say: "I've examined the evidence with an open mind. More information about the parents has come to light. And it looks pretty clear that the poor children's parents were extortionists who manipulated their own children. MJ's insurance company forced a quick settlement against his wishes so as to salvage the expensive tour he was on. And of course he was acquitted of all charges."

Do NOT bash the children involved in the allegations. MANY people have personal connections to abused children or were themselves -- it's friggin' RAMPANT. You MUST show great empathy for this. If you see this is upsetting them, it may be they themselves were abused. DROP IT. Your friends' trauma comes before your love for MJ.

Yes, MJ had a thing about children. Kenny Ortega in a recent interview said that, while on tour with MJ, as soon as they'd arrive at the next airport, MJ would say: Let's go visit the orphanage! And off they'd go! Yes, it's unusual. This was not your normal rockstar.

And leave it at that. Don't overdo it. Don't repeat debunked rumors, like "the boy has since recanted his story." No he hasn't. Don't overstate your case -- you'll look stupid. If you sound calm and objective, people will say, Wow, I didn't know that, I'll have to look into that.
 
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^^^ Excellent, excellent, excellent. Every. single. point. Excellent. =) I think this should be a sticky, LoL. A lot of people (namely MJ...) could benefit from this advice.
 
Bo G...

About that shyness, I gotta add. That in itself made Michael sexy as heck.

Look how he is with Diana Ross, one of his truest loves in this clip...the man totally melts me in the way he looks at her here. He didn't hold back there at all showing his feelings.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wdlLjBM6bIw
 
Bo G said:
May I throw out a few ideas? (These aren't directed at you, Princess Michaela, I think you'd probably agree with most of this).

How to share the love...

His Face. I think it would help fans wanting to share their enthusiasm with friends if they could openly acknowledge what their friends' biggest obstacle is. Most folks are simply not going to find very credible a critique from someone who denies MJ's facial changes were unfortunate. There's a lot of denial on this site.

Look, I know you all find his face beautiful no matter what, but you need to understand that this alone is what's going to always separate you from the rest of the pack. People are rethinking the pedophilia... but not the face, gang. They're trying to get used to in the movie, but it's really hard for them. Don't push it.

Acknowledge it. Say up front, yeah, I know about his face. Between the burns, the vitiligo, and botched surgery, what happened to his face is unfortunate. Just remind people that he was widely considered gorgeous during the Bad era, which was after most of the changes. But he became fed up with all the makeup to hide the vitiligo blotching and just depigmented his face. The changes became too prominent then. He should have explained sooner, but was incredibly embarrassed. People relate to this.

But tell them: there's more to a man, a singer, songwriter, and dancer than a pretty face! Explain that his sexiness is in how he MOVES!!!!! And in his singing and lyrics... And did I mention, how he MOVES?!!!!

Tell them there was little coverage of his sexual charisma, of the world tours sold out to millions of screaming, fainting women and men, because the media sold more papers showing MJ with his pet chimp.

About the pedophilia. It's no good to gush that he's a saint, an angel on earth, loves all children, and would never do such a thing... they're going to roll their eyes and stop listening. IF the following is true for you (and it SHOULD be), then say: "I've examined the evidence with an open mind. More information about the parents has come to light. And it looks pretty clear that the poor children's parents were extortionists who manipulated their own children. MJ's insurance company forced a quick settlement against his wishes so as to salvage the expensive tour he was on. And of course he was acquitted of all charges."

Do NOT bash the children involved in the allegations. MANY people have personal connections to abused children or were themselves -- it's friggin' RAMPANT. You MUST show great empathy for this. If you see this is upsetting them, it may be they themselves were abused. DROP IT. Your friends' trauma comes before your love for MJ.

Yes, MJ had a thing about children. Kenny Ortega in a recent interview said that, while on tour with MJ, as soon as they'd arrive at the next airport, MJ would say: Let's go visit the orphanage! And off they'd go! Yes, it's unusual. This was not your normal rockstar.

And leave it at that. Don't overdo it. Don't repeat debunked rumors, like "the boy has since recanted his story." No he hasn't. Don't overstate your case -- you'll look stupid. If you sound calm and objective, people will say, Wow, I didn't know that, I'll have to look into that.
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This is so right on.
That's how I've dealt with MJ-related discussions with non-fans for years, and it does pay off.

When your beliefs are based on logic and fact, they are less-easily disputed. When you convey those beliefs to other people who may not share them, getting emotional and sentimental is not usually helpful.

Kind of wish more people would take this advice.
 
^ That's a really tough question to answer regarding anything about Michael. It's such an integral part of his character. In fairness, I don't think you can separate the two. He would not be who he is.
 
PrincessMichaela said:
^ That's a really tough question to answer regarding anything about Michael. It's such an integral part of his character. In fairness, I don't think you can separate the two. He would not be who he is.
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I agree, Michael has been a singer and dancer since he was born pretty much. It was innate so I think it's a major component of his character :)

He would be a different Michael, still sweet, but not the Michael Jackson I know...
 
Bo G said:
May I throw out a few ideas? (These aren't directed at you, Princess Michaela, I think you'd probably agree with most of this).

How to share the love...

His Face. I think it would help fans wanting to share their enthusiasm with friends if they could openly acknowledge what their friends' biggest obstacle is. Most folks are simply not going to find very credible a critique from someone who denies MJ's facial changes were unfortunate. There's a lot of denial on this site.

Look, I know you all find his face beautiful no matter what, but you need to understand that this alone is what's going to always separate you from the rest of the pack. People are rethinking the pedophilia... but not the face, gang. They're trying to get used to in the movie, but it's really hard for them. Don't push it.

Acknowledge it. Say up front, yeah, I know about his face. Between the burns, the vitiligo, and botched surgery, what happened to his face is unfortunate. Just remind people that he was widely considered gorgeous during the Bad era, which was after most of the changes. But he became fed up with all the makeup to hide the vitiligo blotching and just depigmented his face. The changes became too prominent then. He should have explained sooner, but was incredibly embarrassed. People relate to this.

But tell them: there's more to a man, a singer, songwriter, and dancer than a pretty face! Explain that his sexiness is in how he MOVES!!!!! And in his singing and lyrics... And did I mention, how he MOVES?!!!!

Tell them there was little coverage of his sexual charisma, of the world tours sold out to millions of screaming, fainting women and men, because the media sold more papers showing MJ with his pet chimp.

About the pedophilia. It's no good to gush that he's a saint, an angel on earth, loves all children, and would never do such a thing... they're going to roll their eyes and stop listening. IF the following is true for you (and it SHOULD be), then say: "I've examined the evidence with an open mind. More information about the parents has come to light. And it looks pretty clear that the poor children's parents were extortionists who manipulated their own children. MJ's insurance company forced a quick settlement against his wishes so as to salvage the expensive tour he was on. And of course he was acquitted of all charges."

Do NOT bash the children involved in the allegations. MANY people have personal connections to abused children or were themselves -- it's friggin' RAMPANT. You MUST show great empathy for this. If you see this is upsetting them, it may be they themselves were abused. DROP IT. Your friends' trauma comes before your love for MJ.

Yes, MJ had a thing about children. Kenny Ortega in a recent interview said that, while on tour with MJ, as soon as they'd arrive at the next airport, MJ would say: Let's go visit the orphanage! And off they'd go! Yes, it's unusual. This was not your normal rockstar.

And leave it at that. Don't overdo it. Don't repeat debunked rumors, like "the boy has since recanted his story." No he hasn't. Don't overstate your case -- you'll look stupid. If you sound calm and objective, people will say, Wow, I didn't know that, I'll have to look into that.
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This is the BEST thing I have ever read on this site to date. So many rep points are deserved for this. I reeeeally hope your advice is taken for what it is :) Major respect!!
 
Agent M said:
Would you consider him a sex god if he couldn't sing and dance as well as he could?
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This is tough. I love his humanitarian side; I think that what he did when he was on this earth was amazing. He was just so...loving. And adorable. I could go on...

However, for me, a large proportion of MJ's sex appeal comes from his talent - that's a definite. It is incredibly sexy. :wub:
 
Agent M said:
Would you consider him a sex god if he couldn't sing and dance as well as he could?
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Interesting! What would we have?

--He wouldn't be Michael Jackson. He'd be someone else.
--He'd be an extremely handsome, brilliant songwriter, still wealthy.
--He wouldn't have toured and been a rockstar, trapped by celebrity in a fortress. Less fear of crazed women. Instead he'd almost certainly be married with all those kids and grandkids he always wanted, more friends, more songwriting collaborations
--He'd have his natural face and hair. Probably not very wrinkled yet -- his brothers aren't. I doubt he'd have done the depigmentation and plastic surgery; his looks wouldn't have mattered as much to his career. He'd be splotchy, which would have taken, for those not around him a lot, time to get used to. Don't know about the hair: there'd have been no Pepsi commercial. If the balding wasn't due to that, he'd be your basic handsome balding guy, maybe vain enough to shave his head, which would be cute... :) He might have kept his hair natural, or done Stevie-Wonder-style dreads...
--He'd still be an astoundingly loving, sweet man.

My answer? He'd be a sex god to his wife. But not Sex God to millions.

Would it have been a better life for him? A happier life? Maybe, maybe not.

You could go crazy with what-ifs. Maybe it wouldn't have been the above rosy scenario. Maybe without Joe Jackson carefully guarding his precious song-and-dance golden child, MJ would have fallen in with bad influences. Maybe without teams of watchers and chauffeurs, he'd be dead in a car accident before he hit 30. (He was a notoriously bad driver).

For one brief shining moment, everybody in the world wanted to either be or be near Michael Jackson. Would he have traded that for a different life? Somehow, I think not.

I think he still would have chosen to be Michael Jackson, Sex God.
 
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gerryevans said:
Bo G...

About that shyness, I gotta add. That in itself made Michael sexy as heck.

Look how he is with Diana Ross, one of his truest loves in this clip...the man totally melts me in the way he looks at her here. He didn't hold back there at all showing his feelings.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wdlLjBM6bIw
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Oh, yeah. Shy love can be sexy. And that boy was in LOVE there; no one can tell me otherwise! :)

But it wouldn't be as sexy if I knew he were ALWAYS shy. That can get old after awhile. Most people find a certain amount of confidence sexy in a partner. It's seeing him like this, this shy young gentleman gazing up with such adoration and unrequited love... AND KNOWING this shy boy is ALSO the world's most lusted-for sex god on stage. The absolutely unique contrast and the complexity, that will keep MJ's biographers busy for decades.

(And that was too complicated for the press to figure out, so they left half of him out of their equation...)

I tend to think he could have had his Diana, or his Brooke, if he weren't so shy offstage. Which could have spared him a lot of heartache...
 
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StarSecret said:
This is the BEST thing I have ever read on this site to date. So many rep points are deserved for this. I reeeeally hope your advice is taken for what it is :) Major respect!!
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PrincessMichaela said:
^^^ Excellent, excellent, excellent. Every. single. point. Excellent. =) I think this should be a sticky, LoL. A lot of people (namely MJ...) could benefit from this advice.
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Aww, thanks. I'm really enjoying this with all of you. It helps, doesn't it?

I think this is where you can suggest that a post be stickied:
http://www.mjjcommunity.com/forum/sendmessage.php

It probably helps if you include the link to original "How to share the love" post, which is
http://www.mjjcommunity.com/forum/showpost.php?p=2348519&postcount=124
 
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Agent M said:
Would you consider him a sex god if he couldn't sing and dance as well as he could?
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I've known a very charismatic figure like Michael and he wasn't an entertainer. It's something mystical about these people. This person happened to be an executive in our company. When this guy walked into the room, heads did turn. I don't know what it was. He was good looking, but not exceptional. But there was something...

He had a phenomenal personality and had the ability to make everyone feel like he was a personal friend. He had a lot of responsibility, but he treated us all with such respect, most of us would kill for him. He was extremely successful, became a multi millionaire, but it didn't seem to change him. Therefore, he became powerful as well. You put power, with humility, kindness and respect for all and you have a very sexy individual. That's what Michael had. If he could not sing and dance, but had that inexplicable charisma and was able to channel his other charms positively, I think he would have still been very sexy.
 
Bo G said:
But it wouldn't be as sexy if I knew he were ALWAYS shy. That can get old after awhile. Most people find a certain amount of confidence sexy in a partner. It's seeing him like this, this shy young gentleman gazing up with such adoration and unrequited love... AND KNOWING this shy boy is ALSO the world's most lusted-for sex god on stage. The absolutely unique contrast and the complexity, that will keep MJ's biographers busy for decades.
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I agree. The stage where he commanded all focus, where no matter who else was on stage, your attention was riveted to Michael, is where his confidence reigned and counterbalanced the shyness and made him so sexy.

I tend to think he could have had his Diana, or his Brooke, if he weren't so shy offstage. Which could have spared him a lot of heartache...
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Also totally agree.
 
gerryevans said:
I've known a very charismatic figure like Michael and he wasn't an entertainer. It's something mystical about these people. This person happened to be an executive in our company. When this guy walked into the room, heads did turn. I don't know what it was. He was good looking, but not exceptional. But there was something...

He had a phenomenal personality and had the ability to make everyone feel like he was a personal friend. He had a lot of responsibility, but he treated us all with such respect, most of us would kill for him. He was extremely successful, became a multi millionaire, but it didn't seem to change him. Therefore, he became powerful as well. You put power, with humility, kindness and respect for all and you have a very sexy individual.
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PM this man's phone number to me NOW!
 
Bo G said:
PM this man's phone number to me NOW!
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Okay, now I'm going to add a couple of other things about him that attests that even though someone can have all these phenomenal attributes, they can have issues.

1. He was an alcoholic. We saw the problem develop. He did get help, and although I haven't seen him for a while, I understand he's had a couple of relapses, but is doing well now.

2. Also, he was the type that would send roses to his wife on the anniversary of their first meeting. When his wife would bring their infant daughter up the office, he'd bundle her up in his arms and gaze at her with so much love, even some of the men had to muffle an ahhhhh!

YET....he had an affair!

And it wasn't even when he was in the major throes of the alcoholism either. I think his wife threatening to leave him is what got him on the road of recovery.

Must say when I found out he cheated, it devastated me. Our relationship was totally professional, but that definitely chipped at the halo I had over his head. One of things that had added to his sexiness to me was that I thought he was such a devoted husband.

In any event, it also gave me perspective that no matter how special someone can be, they are still human.
 
gerryevans said:
Okay, now I'm going to add a couple of other things about him that attests that even though someone can have all these phenomenal attributes, they can have issues...He was an alcoholic...he had an affair...
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I'm glad you added this info about your colleague, Gerry. It's a great example. We were discussing earlier in this thread how some of us idealize a potential partner, perhaps based on the image we have of MJ. The reality is that no one on this earth meets this ideal in our heads, including MJ. From listening to the Glenda and Schmuley tapes, and some other materials, I concluded MJ would not be an ideal husband. Not for me, anyway... he would drive me crazy in several bothersome ways. (Also, I have no doubts, in very good ways!) We shouldn't put pressure on the real live human beings we meet to reach such lofty goals; it ain't human.
 
SolamenteMJ said:
I would, most def! :wild::wub:
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What, marry him? Girl, you must have more patience than I do! :)

I could not handle a rockstar personality. He had a bit too healthy a dose of that amidst all that sweetness-and-light.

He'd have made the world's greatest trophy boyfriend, though. :swoon:
 
I'd marry him in a heartbeat, *rockstar* personality, ego and all. :D

I have a temper. I don't put up with anything. He would never walk all over me or ignore me. Two can play that game. :evil:

Anyways, I've always said even if he were hit by a mack truck, I'd still find him to be the sexiest man on earth.
It's more his heart that I care about.
Looks go away, the heart is all we have left. :wub:
 
Bo G said:
What, marry him? Girl, you must have more patience than I do! :)

I could not handle a rockstar personality. He had a bit too healthy a dose of that amidst all that sweetness-and-light.

He'd have made the world's greatest trophy boyfriend, though. :swoon:
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Marry him, of course what girl would not want to be the wife of such a wonderful man. But I would have done anything to/for/with him. I've said before and I don't mind repeating it, Michael is the biggest crush I ever had!
 
MJ was a Sex God -- While Media Pretends Not to Notice
And he was actually very thrashed, especially in the latest years...

I think racism had a lot to do with that fact.

Becoz Michael Jackson was a black dude, who looked hispanic when he turned white.
(And to add more fire to this cocktail, he looked like a gay too)

BUt
Hispanic and black, thats not a good cocktail in racist countries XD
 
Moon Dancer said:
MJ was a Sex God -- While Media Pretends Not to Notice
And he was actually very thrashed, especially in the latest years...

I think racism had a lot to do with that fact.

Becoz Michael Jackson was a black dude, who looked hispanic when he turned white.
(And to add more fire to this cocktail, he looked like a gay too)

BUt
Hispanic and black, thats not a good cocktail in racist countries XD
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Black and potentially gay -- a tough combination. In the U.S. and Europe, our media like to think of themselves as progressive, but MJ's case brought out the truth.

We've mostly been talking about media coverage in the U.S. and Europe, where there was very little talk about MJ being "sexy." What about Venezuela?

And how the hell do you say "sexy" in Spanish? (I speak a little, but don't know that).
 
Bo G said:
We've mostly been talking about media coverage in the U.S. and Europe, where there was very little talk about MJ being "sexy." What about Venezuela?

And how the hell do you say "sexy" in Spanish? (I speak a little, but don't know that).
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It's just "sexy". ;)
Same as english.

Hmm, I'm doing Latin American studies in college, so I'd also be interested to know what the media coverage over there was like.
 
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