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Asedora
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As soon as you start discussing TII here from "romantic" point of view I immediately will leave. This is maybe what some ppl want.
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I don't mind discussing it enough to clear up your questions for me. Yes I saw the whole tape. I don't know what you are comparing to when you say the best parts, I saw the only parts. I did not go into it with any negative mind set, looking for what people 'said' or how much more film they didn't use, or what anyone else said.
I love Michael Jackson. I wanted to see him for myself to see how it all made me feel, that is why I saw the beauty in it. I may see him differently than you do in general, and you may see him differently than I do in general. A lot of what we see begins with the eyes inside our heads as well as those on the outside. I love him, I was too scared at first, thinking I was going to come out feeling a depressed mess, but I was pleasantly shocked. I saw a lot of things that gave me a lot of information as far as I'm concerned, and that was not "reported" by anyone. It was a movie that spoke volumes between the lines as well as with MJ standing stock still. I'm kind of glad some people didn't get the "old" MJ they dreamed of. He was relaxed, comfortable with himself, fully in charge of the entire thing and very great. He was humble enough to talk to Kenny like he didn't want to be a pest but he needed what he needed and it was just wonderful to see him yes, well, and yes, happy and having some fun.
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AllForMJ
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Actually, the thing is this...
If you haven't taken the time out to go and see the movie, you won't be able to really participate in the discussion, because you won't really know what you are talking about.
You'll have to see the movie in order to understand what we are noticing.
He was happier, Asedora. Despite everything that had happened to him, he was smiling and laughing again. He was doing exactly what he is singing about in his song entitled "Unbreakable."
He said, "I'm steady laughing, while surfacing." You know what, Asedora? He was doing exactly that.
Don't try to pry his joy away from him. Let him keep that.
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So go ahead, I am leaving then. You gonna have 100% agreement here now. I can handle it but I do not want to. This thread is not going to move fast anymore.....
EDIT I meant I can hadle TII but I do not want to "hadle" anything I used to come here to enjoy the lyrics.
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Considering this is a thread that examines romance from a Michael's music point of view, and you can't really be with that, the only logical thing to do would be to refrain from posting as anything you would post would inherently be off topic, don't you think?
I'm getting the feeling the topic being stated as a question may be giving some people the impression that this is a debate thread when the question is purely rhetorical for the purpose of delving into the music. I noticed some people come into this thread mainly to debate the question rather than to answer it with the music.
Maybe there should be an entire section of the board dedicated to debating. I'll bet it would get lots of activity.
:brow: hmmm that might be a good idea
It was breath taking to me - just an honor and a priviledge to be sitting there witnessing one of the most seasoned entertainers of any century doing what he does best, without a lot of cares or concerns over the outcome. I got the feeling he could do it backwards with his eyes closed in a wind storm and not miss a single beat or que as it showed that he invented every beat and que.
The man is amazing and impeccably accomplished, and if that quality ever showed at any point in his career, it certainly was at its pennacle in This Is It. He was enjoying himself while he was doing it, rather than the energy of fanfare and frenzy that usually goes with his performing concerts. He looked like he was just kicking on the cruise control yet never taking his eyes off the road rather than having to spend the entire time working a manual transmission. Hope that helps.
Maybe there should be an entire section of the board dedicated to debating. I'll bet it would get lots of activity.
:brow: hmmm that might be a good idea
I probably need to clarify what I mean here. I'm not saying he was ever uncomfortable because I don't know how he actually felt in his skin, what I'm saying is hard to explain but it is clear that rather than be so performance oriented, Michael was doing it for the enjoyment of it himself. It was a lot less choreographed and a lot more relaxed and yet his innate showmanship screamed volumes.
It was breath taking to me - just an honor and a priviledge to be sitting there witnessing one of the most seasoned entertainers of any century doing what he does best, without a lot of cares or concerns over the outcome. I got the feeling he could do it backwards with his eyes closed in a wind storm and not miss a single beat or que as it showed that he invented every beat and que.
The man is amazing and impeccably accomplished, and if that quality ever showed at any point in his career, it certainly was at its pennacle in This Is It. He was enjoying himself while he was doing it, rather than the energy of fanfare and frenzy that usually goes with his performing concerts. He looked like he was just kicking on the cruise control yet never taking his eyes off the road rather than having to spend the entire time working a manual transmission. Hope that helps.
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AllForMJ
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Oh yes, oh yes, oh yes! He was having SO much fun!This is so much fun to watch with the volume muted. MJ's body language speaks loudly! oh my goodness he's so sweeeeet and HOT and
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fSNkgiof3Mc
Wanna do a before and after? Okay. Let's. LOL
Click on the first link, watch it alllll the way through and thennnnnn click on the second link which is the one that you've posted above.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ggt-3_KqmOk
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fSNkgiof3Mc
There is a MAJOR difference in the way that he is rehearsing in the second one. He was having a jolly good time and he finished the song as well.
:yes:
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This is a wonderful, kind, thread that over many months developed interesting, fanciful, and intriguing conversations. It is all ABOUT the romantic, and the fantasies. That's what the thread is ABOUT. I hope that will continue peacefully, because it's really been a safe, out-of-the way place to discuss and to read. . . . .
My way of seeing this thread is that it's not in any sense a "debate," but an exploration . . . . . . If this conversation turns sour or contentious, that would be a loss for everyone who's enjoyed reading here. Peace, everyone?
My way of seeing this thread is that it's not in any sense a "debate," but an exploration . . . . . . If this conversation turns sour or contentious, that would be a loss for everyone who's enjoyed reading here. Peace, everyone?
AllForMJ
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Thank you so much, Victoria.
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hi Victoria! :hiya: oh yes, peace is the order of the day! Yes and exploration is exactly what it is. Michael's music seems to be the map.
AllforMJ first of all, I want to join mystygirl in thanking you for beginning this discussion. Its the kind of thing that on my own I think I notice something here or there and try and let it go figuring its all in my head, then coming across this thread and feel like, 'well, maybe there is some sense in what I''m perceiving or at the very least ok, I'm not alone' lol and I find it interesting that although we all hear some differences everything does still seem to line up for all our 'versions' of what appears to be a 'storyline'.
I did watch both and its amazing the difference. Hard to put in words but once again I'll just say, its clear that MJ was very much enjoying himself whereas in the first one he was clearly working.
Not that I'm saying he made it look 'hard' or like 'work', its just that his energy and attention in the fist one is so intense and in this one it seemed that he not only was out to entertain masses but this time he was also out to entertain himself.
He really did put a LOT of feeling into the second one too. The first one seemed to contain a bit of anguish. He repeated, 'its a heart ache' and crying like a baby, ya know the little whiney sound when he says, 'all my life, all my life' - its painful. The new one he's just delighting in the feelings he's singing and hearing being sung and he's playful throughout the entire thing. It also looks like he was ready to really wanting to touch someone, really much. He did a lot of touching in the new one whereas in the older one he's pretending to touch her and never quite does it. In the new one he's having an absolute blast.
AllforMJ first of all, I want to join mystygirl in thanking you for beginning this discussion. Its the kind of thing that on my own I think I notice something here or there and try and let it go figuring its all in my head, then coming across this thread and feel like, 'well, maybe there is some sense in what I''m perceiving or at the very least ok, I'm not alone' lol and I find it interesting that although we all hear some differences everything does still seem to line up for all our 'versions' of what appears to be a 'storyline'.
I did watch both and its amazing the difference. Hard to put in words but once again I'll just say, its clear that MJ was very much enjoying himself whereas in the first one he was clearly working.
Not that I'm saying he made it look 'hard' or like 'work', its just that his energy and attention in the fist one is so intense and in this one it seemed that he not only was out to entertain masses but this time he was also out to entertain himself.
He really did put a LOT of feeling into the second one too. The first one seemed to contain a bit of anguish. He repeated, 'its a heart ache' and crying like a baby, ya know the little whiney sound when he says, 'all my life, all my life' - its painful. The new one he's just delighting in the feelings he's singing and hearing being sung and he's playful throughout the entire thing. It also looks like he was ready to really wanting to touch someone, really much. He did a lot of touching in the new one whereas in the older one he's pretending to touch her and never quite does it. In the new one he's having an absolute blast.
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wow queeng very nice view.. it could really be like this..that he really saw it from her actions ( if he saw her one or more than once from afar) that she didnt want him ( even without knowing it was him) being around..or she said things about relationships on the internet when they interacted..its sounds to meeeee very possible...
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it was a pleasure queen g ...
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I have only read a few of the most current pages and I see tensions are slightly on the rise.
If I may, I know its been a while for me in here but please allow me this:
Asedora, I love you. I really do. I have seen you in the MJJC Investigative Unit thread and I have read your post, I relate to so much of where you are coming from on different levels.
What you have stated in this quote is pretty much the way I too feel about the TII Movie; a comment that would better be utilized in the Investigative Unit forum, not here. Though I get why you posted your feelings on the movie in this thread but I am just saying, as you already know this thread is about love and how Michael incorporated his love for someone special in his music and art and how it was so powerful and real to him, we were able to pick up on the clues and began an international discussion about it that has lasted and lasted. Fans from all over the world are joining in on the interpretation of this love affair between MJ and his someone special. It was very real to him. How elese could we see it ,had MJ not opened up enough and allowed us a little peek inside? Revealing the prized present? It's joyous and beautiful and I believe this thread is about honoring it and sharing in that beauty as we believe MJ was doing with us by giving us the clues in the first place.
Asedora, I know you hurt for the loss of our Michael. I do as well and we all do. Members who participate in this thread want to continue the love story and feel good about the fact that they/we believe Michael had a love in his life that was there even towards the end of his life. Continuing to interpret gives them/us comfort and peace.
Though I am not ready to see the movie, I have always believed, Michael wanted to incorporate "her" into the performances and when I read the interpretations from members in this thread, I knew my instincts had been right about that! I would not have recieved the confirmation had I not read the interpretations from here first:
Michael is trying to tell us something
he has been trying to tell us things for a long time
Believe in his message
believe in the power of the Universe
Believe in where the clues take you
believe they are real
Do they not come from a man, who is real to all of us?
BELIEVE
BELIEVE
Autumn II
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That is what I MUST believe, for survival. Even though I'm no longer on staff, I'll try to protect this little thread?
I don't know why... but I was "captured" by a person I'd never met. It happened through my daughter (sort of?), actually, when she was only about three years-old. She fell in love with Michael. She wanted to see the videos and hear the music, all the time. I was captivated, myself, as this went on. I began "this thread," in a sense, almost twenty years ago? I transcribed song-lyrics and writings. I searched and searched. I felt that there was a secret contained within. I have kept searching, all these many years.
There is more to life than the "normal" and daily experiences. Love has an incredible power. Love has to "win," somehow, or I've understood absolutely nothing . . . . . about anything.
Carry on.
Vic
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Beautiful.
I love how you put, "Love has to 'win,' somehow."
I guess the message of today for us is to simply...
Believe.
Why can that be so hard sometimes, when "believing" feels so much better!
How could I not personally BELIEVE when the most profound and real clues from him came to me in dream form AFTER his passing.....
He is trying to teach us about ourselves and at the same time, show us the man he really was meant to be.
Believe a man, when a man tells you, he is in love
Believe a man, when a man reveals to you his heart
Believe a man, when a man show what belongs to him
and believe a man when you hear him saying to a woman,
" I can't stop loving you", over, and over again, through time
spanning space and broken dreams, he continued to have hope
and believe
Why can't we?
Autumn II
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We SHOULD believe, because it is true. There are things we simply cannot know as "limited" human-beings. Michael was very, very special. He NEVER had a true "love interest" that we can know about. So tragically, he died alone. Could it be true that he believed in the fantasy, the "visions," and found the strength to press on through the broken dreams? Could he have believed in this, even more than he did in the material, daily life? He was a very spiritual person. I think he could have... believed in this.. .. trusted in this?
So many times, I've heard the songs, read the lyrics, and I understand. He was SEARCHING. That is so obvious to me. He had the love of millions, but yet, what a terrible disappointment that must have been to him, but yet a hope too? There must have been some things...some ideas? that kept him going? He could have had nearly anyone. He was not willing to "settle for." He remains... a mystery.
Vic
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Just wanna say sometimes its hard 2 belive. Everytime i try 2 belive in love - i get shut down compelety. It always feels like some dark force keeps getting in the way and just wont stop. It has made me stop beliveing the power of prayer, so much so that i have stopped praying.
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Wow! queen g, I had no idea of any of this when I made my first post about "believe" today.
Michael is yet again, trying to tell us something!
Are we listening to him?
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The "Mystery" can only be put to rest, when one truely believes.
For all of us, that will come at different times, but it will come- if you continue to believe.
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Believe in a higher being first
believe in something bigger than you or any potential mate
Heal your wounds and love yourself first
Have a love affair with your mind, your spirit
your ideals, your laughter, your seriousness
your quirks and your dreams
Put you first
Open your heart to all things you
Pray and believe
place your faith in God
and it shall be given to you
Recognize it, when it arrives
because it will come
If you believe.
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