Value in killing Michael?

[smoothcriminal12]

I've heard many fans come out saying that they think that Michael was murdered, myself included. My only objection to that theory is the thought that anyone would kill Michael and have a purpose. What is the value in killing Michael Jackson? How could anyone value from killing Michael? Better yet, what has he done to be murdered? Any thoughts?

 

[Remington Steele]

Yeah, I don't get it either... it was said repeatedly he was afraid to be murdered because of the catalogue. But how would his death help the forces who wanted the catalogue?

 

[smoothcriminal12]

That's why some think that it is a death organized by Sony, AEG, and Dr. Tohme Tohme...if Michae is dead, they could find the chance to seize money from him.

 

[Soundmind]

the forces who wanted him to be dead to get his catalogue particularly Sony had a Golden opportunity in 2006 and 2007 to buy half of his share and own 75% of the catalogue , not only that if they did not secure his loan at that time MJ would have signed a deal to refinance his loan with astronomical interest because he defaulted many times before , and he would have probably lost the catalogue before he died .

Sony did save MJ 3 years ago because it suited them at the time , the agreement signed gave them the option to by 50% of his share at any point within a year of signing the deal , but they preferred to invest in buying other catalogs and expand the company's library , this strategy was very wise , and because of it Sony/ATV was able to become one of the three best companies in the business .

I can't understand how people could believe that such corporations with billions of dollars as annual revenues would get together and conspire to kill someone just so they would get 100 ,200 or even 300 millions . I can't understand how people could believe that such prominent companies would put everything at stake and rescue losing their reputation to get 300 millions which in the world of business is not alot .

and you know AEG has 50 empty dates that can't be filled , it was alot of lost money to them , but people don't want to listen .

 

[kasume]

Not just money..

But their are many other reasons to have Michael gone.

Hatred, Jealousy, Love Michael had by so many millions from every single country on this planet (which was Power). Is that alone not enough to cause murder?????

Look at Cain and Able, that murder only stemmed from ONE thing, Jealousy.

 

[elusive moonwalker]

until evidecne comes to light supporting such claims like emails discussing the plan for example then theres no real evidence of this imo. what happened to mj was bad enough without turning it into some perry mason case.

 

[Soundmind]

Kasume, the countries that mattered politically already turned their backs on MJ's , Murdoch managed to destroy MJ's reputation to a large degree and he continues doing so , if anyone would have paid to kill MJ I would have accused Murdoch not anyone else, that man is capable of everything . God knows how much I hate him , I believe there is a hell and heaven because of people like that bastard , no way his actions would go unpunished this man destroyed and continues to destroy many lives .

 

[BruceWayne]

until evidecne comes to light supporting such claims like emails discussing the plan for example then theres no real evidence of this imo. what happened to mj was bad enough without turning it into some perry mason case.

^ I agree with this - I still feel that any conspiracy theories has more to do with denial of what really happened.

 

[Ejacobs29]

When you ask yourself that question, I guess you have to ask several others as well...like why did many people set out to destroy Michael Jackson's life? Why did the media crucify and vilify him his whole adult life? Why were laws in California change just because of Michael Jackson? Why does a murderer walk free and still practice medicine? Why did almost everyone in his life betray him?

last I checked MJ never hurt a soul, he did more far more for this world than most combined and yet today, still there are many set on still damaging him in his grave.. Maybe when we can answer these questions we will know.

 

[Autumn II]

FYI, the financial aspects of "the value in killing Michael" are already being discussed here:

http://www.mjjcommunity.com/forum/showthread.php?t=72231

The key to at least the financial aspect of this has to do with the questions, was or was not Michael physically able and prepared to complete the fifty concerts? If he was, then the concerts would have made millions for all concerned. If he was not, then he was worth far more dead than alive (TII movie, album sales, DVD sales, memorabilia sales, the eventual creation of Neverland as a theme-park, and much more.) Profits have gone to the estate, to AEG, to Sony, and to Regal Cinemas, with Colony Capital waiting in the wings for the creation of a Neverland theme park.

We don't really know what his physical condition was. There are people who have gone-on-record speaking for both possibilities. . that his weight-loss was too much to sustain the effort, or that he "had the body of an astronaut" (this from AEG, who also say they never saw the actual medical report). There is also confusion about whether the insurance physical actually happened. It's either "five hours of grueling tests," or "the doctor was turned away at the gate" and the physical never actually happened, and one was scheduled for July in London. I have not seen definitive information yet for either position. . . he was healthy, or he was not.

As far as proof of conspiracies is concerned, at least during the trial there was proof of an elaborate plan to "get him." Among other things, see past writings about (and quotes from) a person named "Sundaram," in Santa Barbara. But that is past, now. Anyone who wants to can hunt it up, from an interview on MJJF Radio. It's a proof that conspiracies HAVE HAPPENED to Michael.

Carry on,

Vic

 

[elusive moonwalker]

I still feel that any conspiracy theories has more to do with denial of what really happened.

good point. yeah could be

 

[elusive moonwalker]

he key to at least the financial aspect of this has to do with the questions, was or was not Michael physically able and prepared to complete the fifty concerts?

yeah i do see that as one argument that that could be legit.its feasable (sp)

 

[BruceWayne]

As far as proof of conspiracies is concerned, at least during the trial there was proof of an elaborate plan to "get him." Among other things, see past writings about (and quotes from) a person named "Sundaram," in Santa Barbara. But that is past, now. Anyone who wants to can hunt it up, from an interview on MJJF Radio. It's a proof that conspiracies HAVE HAPPENED to Michael.

Carry on,

Vic

Hi Victoria - where can I find this?

 

[kasume]

I still feel that any conspiracy theories has more to do with denial of what really happened.

I know I'm not the only one.

But for me, the conspiracy theories has more to do with shadyness, coincidences, and contradictions of all that 'has happened'.

 

[Thetruthbetold]

I've heard many fans come out saying that they think that Michael was murdered, myself included. My only objection to that theory is the thought that anyone would kill Michael and have a purpose. What is the value in killing Michael Jackson? How could anyone value from killing Michael? Better yet, what has he done to be murdered? Any thoughts?

When a person doesn't want to do what head people in charge wants them to do this course tension especially when the person can easier get money to support others and their needs. But when the person sees themselves only as a dollar value this becomes a major eye opener so when they start to learn truth and start speaking out about it. Its time for them head people to defeated the person they immobilize.


This is how i am interrupting the situation without stated the real. its too hard to explain

 

[kasume]

I've heard many fans come out saying that they think that Michael was murdered, myself included. My only objection to that theory is the thought that anyone would kill Michael and have a purpose. What is the value in killing Michael Jackson? How could anyone value from killing Michael? Better yet, what has he done to be murdered? Any thoughts?

Are you familiar with the murder of the Clutter family in a small town of Halcomb, Kansas? In 1959, they were all savagely murdered. And yet "there was no apparent motive for the crime, and there were almost no clues." And yet, the murder of the family is one of the best documentaries of an American crime ever.

Even motivation can be well hidden. That is a fact.

 

[The Healer]

For me....there are so many possibilities.
1. Michael was a drug adict and that costed him his life
2. Michael was accidentaly killed by Murray
3. It was a much, much bigger thing and more ppl are involved

The first two options don"t seem very likely to me. Murray is back to work like nothing happened. And I tell you, he will have more patients than ever. That shows us in what kind of a sick world we live in. Too disgusting for words.
Since 1993 and all those terrible things that were happening to Michael....I allways knew that THEY are trying to get him.One way or another. I am not going to repeat all those things....we all know what was going on.
Michael was ( and is ) loved like no other famous person ever was or ever will be. That is a fact.
Michael had the power to change the world. He was on his way back like no one before.
He was all about love and taking care of this poor planet. He wanted people to open their eyes and minds. Many others died for much less.
The only thing coming to my mind constantly is.....Michael was too powerfull and he had to go. Omg.

 

[kasume]

For me....there are so many possibilities.
Michael was ( and is ) loved like no other famous person ever was or ever will be. That is a fact.
Michael had the power to change the world. He was on his way back like no one before.
He was all about love and taking care of this poor planet. He wanted people to open their eyes and minds. Many others died for much less.
The only thing coming to my mind constantly is.....Michael was too powerfull and he had to go. Omg.

that is the biggest reason i think michael was murdered.

1. Michael was a drug adict and that costed him his life
2. Michael was accidentaly killed by Murray
3. It was a much, much bigger thing and more ppl are involved

that's what the media and those behind the plan want us to think. like Liz said, i think "when the official autopsy results are released, all hell is going to break loose", because then people will start to wonder. they will know in a quiet and secret place, that something is not right.

And then there is Firpo Carr stating that if one just knew the small details of what really happened, it would make you just want to drop your marbles and go home. Then he compares Michael's death to the murder of JFK.

There is just too many people who believe Michael was murdered to doubt it is actaully a possibility.

 

[L.T.D]

I did notice something on an advert the other ay. It was advertising a compilation CD of love songs in which You Are Not Alone was on it.

Now, when Michael was alive none of his songs ever appeared on such compilation albums. Like the NOW Thats what I call Music albums. None of his songs are on them or any albums of that kind.

Then after his death they are.

 

[beatbox]

that is the biggest reason i think michael was murdered.



that's what the media and those behind the plan want us to think. like Liz said, i think "when the official autopsy results are released, all hell is going to break loose", because then people will start to wonder. they will know in a quiet and secret place, that something is not right.

And then there is Firpo Carr stating that if one just knew the small details of what really happened, it would make you just want to drop your marbles and go home. Then he compares Michael's death to the murder of JFK.

There is just too many people who believe Michael was murdered to doubt it is actaully a possibility.

Didn't President Obama say something like (about MJ's death) 'There is no conspiracy...'
which might have been to calm people or was he told something?

I watched a very interesting documentary on the 'Music of Michael Jackson' yesterday,
where someone commented, at the end, that whatever he had done, to be the best, the greatest musical and dance genius, that as a black man, he would still have people after him trying to bring him down.

It is so sad...I am beginning to doubt that the truth will be revealed in the end... at least not to the general public.

 

[kasume]

Didn't President Obama say something like (about MJ's death) 'There is no conspiracy...'which might have been to calm people or was he told something?

I watched a very interesting documentary on the 'Music of Michael Jackson' yesterday,
where someone commented, at the end, that whatever he had done, to be the best, the greatest musical and dance genius, that as a black man, he would still have people after him trying to bring him down.

I don't remember reading that..

but if it were true, I guess Obama is one in the mass general public who believes there is no conspiracy.

And then also, IF the president of the united states did say their was a conspiracy against Michael, many would question him as to why he belives so, and those behind it would be after Obama or would turn against him.

It is so sad...I am beginning to doubt that the truth will be revealed in the end... at least not to the general public.

We must keep the faith.

And if there is a trial, I'm sure they would report that. Would they not? Especially if it's a big trial, which I am almost sure it will be.

 

[elusive moonwalker]

dont think obama said anything, his spokeperson said a few words and he wrote to the family

 

[The Healer]

When politicans or ppl like that say there is no conspiracy........then, there always IS a conspiracy, trust me.
What is this world becoming......

 

[beatbox]

I don't remember reading that..

but if it were true, I guess Obama is one in the mass general public who believes there is no conspiracy.

And then also, IF the president of the united states did say their was a conspiracy against Michael, many would question him as to why he belives so, and those behind it would be after Obama or would turn against him.



We must keep the faith.

And if there is a trial, I'm sure they would report that. Would they not? Especially if it's a big trial, which I am almost sure it will be.

Thanks kasume, elusive, zpredra, ejacobs for your replies; and to Victoria for the link
You are quite right - we must keep the faith.

 

[rainny]

The first two options don"t seem very likely to me. Murray is back to work like nothing happened. And I tell you, he will have more patients than ever.
.

Maybe they should be in suicide watch.

 

[kasume]

Maybe they should be in suicide watch.

I am SURE none of Murray's patients will die. After all, he was only after Michael. Michael was the one that needed to be gone.

Now I just wonder if part of this whole going back to work is a way to manipulate the public. Do nothing harmful to his patients, making everyone think he is actually a wonderful and responsible doctor, and nothing was his fault when he doctored Michael Jackson. Have people think Michael Jackson was the only patient of his who died, because he was...well, Michael Jackson. Because Michael wasn't 'normal'. Have them think that when he does doctor 'normal' patients, everything is fine.

It's all an illusion. Almost everything we are seeing and hearing about this whole thing is an illusion. The only part that is certainly not an illusion is the fact that our beloved Michael is dead.

 

[MIST]

I think I read Michael gave 200.000$ to help someone weeks or months before he died.
It means he had lots of money in the house and they were never found and not jewerly either.
the doctor needed money, noone except for him knows exact what he was doing before he called for help and he tried to make Michael look like a drug addict.

 

[kasume]

I think I read Michael gave 200.000$ to help someone weeks or months before he died.
It means he had lots of money in the house and they were never found and not jewerly either.
the doctor needed money, noone except for him knows exact what he was doing before he called for help and he tried to make Michael look like a drug addict.

Yeah, I know what you mean.

We don't even know if Michael asked for all that junk Murray put into him. How do we know Murray wasn't suggesting it all to Michael? How do we know Michael knew what the doctor was giving him?

We don't know.

But what we do know is that none of this sounds or even seems right.

 

[MIST]

It could have been someone else in the house who went in to Michaels room and changed the drip when the doctor wasn´t there and took the money.When Murray came back he thought he had made a mistake and got panic.

I don´t really belive in that theory but when they investigate what happened they have to look at every little detail .

 

[ginvid]

I did notice something on an advert the other ay. It was advertising a compilation CD of love songs in which You Are Not Alone was on it.

Now, when Michael was alive none of his songs ever appeared on such compilation albums. Like the NOW Thats what I call Music albums. None of his songs are on them or any albums of that kind.

Then after his death they are.

I totally know what you mean. Right after he died, I started hearing his music in commercials for stupid things like Party City. I had never heard his music for stuff like that (Please correct me if I am wrong). My sister and I were like WT Heck??