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hmmm hmmmm
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For months people have asked TMZ why MJ is not on the RIP list, but they have as yet to put him there...(They've been reminded many times, so it's not a typo)
Many members have emailed the coroner and point blank asked if he SAW michael jackson's body, he NEVER said yes, he skirts around the question and answers like this "there were things I saw with my eyes"... Ok, but we want to know if u saw the body! Never a "yes".
All death certificates still say "temp" and have name "Joseph". We're quite certain his name is "Joe". btw, there are 7 death certificates and some with different bar codes.
janet said she'd wear black for a year, yet in all interviews she's in white. Not to mention she seems to have forgotten where she was when she heard about MJ being taken to the hospital.
The building they showed Murray returning to work is apparently an abandoned building, according to ppl from that area. And Murray may actually be someone called Robert Earl Carter .
Where are all the fans that "saw" things with their own eyes at the scene? No one has come forward...
No doctor has directly announced his death, they simply stated "The jackson family have announced"...
Bottom line,have any of us seen the body? Family claims CPR damaged his face. Never heard of such a thing. I'm a nurse.
Just a few things that are strange, amongst hundreds of others...
For months people have asked TMZ why MJ is not on the RIP list, but they have as yet to put him there...(They've been reminded many times, so it's not a typo)
Many members have emailed the coroner and point blank asked if he SAW michael jackson's body, he NEVER said yes, he skirts around the question and answers like this "there were things I saw with my eyes"... Ok, but we want to know if u saw the body! Never a "yes".
All death certificates still say "temp" and have name "Joseph". We're quite certain his name is "Joe". btw, there are 7 death certificates and some with different bar codes.
janet said she'd wear black for a year, yet in all interviews she's in white. Not to mention she seems to have forgotten where she was when she heard about MJ being taken to the hospital.
The building they showed Murray returning to work is apparently an abandoned building, according to ppl from that area. And Murray may actually be someone called Robert Earl Carter .
Where are all the fans that "saw" things with their own eyes at the scene? No one has come forward...
No doctor has directly announced his death, they simply stated "The jackson family have announced"...
Bottom line,have any of us seen the body? Family claims CPR damaged his face. Never heard of such a thing. I'm a nurse.
Just a few things that are strange, amongst hundreds of others...
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Oh really, that is kinda strange, well, like I said before, funny how all our 'news' about MJ comes from TMZ. It is then repeted by other news sources, but it always originates from TMZ..
They have a dog from Gaga's video in the RIP section for goodness sake.. http://www.tmz.com/category/r-i-p/
you think they'd have Michael.
Oh really, that is kinda strange, well, like I said before, funny how all our 'news' about MJ comes from TMZ. It is then repeted by other news sources, but it always originates from TMZ..
They have a dog from Gaga's video in the RIP section for goodness sake.. http://www.tmz.com/category/r-i-p/
you think they'd have Michael.
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Like I said, there is a time gap between the videos.
The Starline bus arrives and drives past the firetruck.
You immediately see a man (EMT or fireman) signal the driver of the bus.
The gates close with the ambulance inside.
--TIME GAP--
Next clip, the gates have reopened and the ambulance is backing up. YES, the bus is parallel to the firetruck. Why? Clearly the bus was in the way when it drove up to Michael's home in the first place, and the driver was told to back it up so that the ambulance and SUV's can properly leave.
There is NOTHING wrong with these videos.
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Like I said, there is a time gap between the videos.
The Starline bus arrives and drives past the firetruck.
You immediately see a man (EMT or fireman) signal the driver of the bus.
The gates close with the ambulance inside.
--TIME GAP--
Next clip, the gates have reopened and the ambulance is backing up. YES, the bus is parallel to the firetruck. Why? Clearly the bus was in the way when it drove up to Michael's home in the first place, and the driver was told to back it up so that the ambulance and SUV's can properly leave.
There is NOTHING wrong with these videos.
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Yes, the Hollywood film is a montage of the ambulance entering and leaving the property.
Yes, the Hollywood film is a montage of the ambulance entering and leaving the property.
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watched the vid, and yes, it's interesting. the two that struck me the most were the photographer's "and the other d.." and Kenny's "he's so present in the film you forget that he's still not with us." why the word "still?" it really seemed to be a slip-up. otherwise, he should have said "that he's not with us anymore."
watched the vid, and yes, it's interesting. the two that struck me the most were the photographer's "and the other d.." and Kenny's "he's so present in the film you forget that he's still not with us." why the word "still?" it really seemed to be a slip-up. otherwise, he should have said "that he's not with us anymore."
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Yes and the word still is used by Larry King too, he said "he's still dead by the way".
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Agc5tSzPQEs
About the ambulance thing there are trashcans (or how do you call them) along the side of the road and the trash is picked up on wednesday there.
I've read about that.
So another thing that's odd about it.
I know not everyone get's it back the same day as they get emptied but come on look at how many there are!
Yes and the word still is used by Larry King too, he said "he's still dead by the way".
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Agc5tSzPQEs
About the ambulance thing there are trashcans (or how do you call them) along the side of the road and the trash is picked up on wednesday there.
I've read about that.
So another thing that's odd about it.
I know not everyone get's it back the same day as they get emptied but come on look at how many there are!
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There's a thread in this forum (IU) that has links to a series of videos entitled "What DID happen to Michael Jackson?"
It doesn't claim anything but may suspect a conspired murder and/or a hoax. What stomped me was that in the first video they have the audio of the 911 call which you can clearly hear someone in the background telling the 911 operator what questions to ask A. Alvarez.(the guard/assistant who called 911) And then against procedure...the 911 operator hangs up, which he is never supposed to do until the paramedics arrive.
There's a thread in this forum (IU) that has links to a series of videos entitled "What DID happen to Michael Jackson?"
It doesn't claim anything but may suspect a conspired murder and/or a hoax. What stomped me was that in the first video they have the audio of the 911 call which you can clearly hear someone in the background telling the 911 operator what questions to ask A. Alvarez.(the guard/assistant who called 911) And then against procedure...the 911 operator hangs up, which he is never supposed to do until the paramedics arrive.
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Why is it in the HollywoodTV footage when the camera stops filming the ambulance and runs off, if you pause it frame by frame, you can see next to Engine 71 that THERE IS NO STARLINE BUS next to it at all. It arrives AFTER the ambulance has left! And in the Starline bus video, the bus isnt in the same position no matter which way you look at it as the HTV video which arrives after.
Here are some slip ups:
Jermaine (Premiere of TII):, on Larry King Live: ''This is it. But this is really not this. This is not the final curtain, no''.
Ben (Ambulance Paparazzi): , whilst interviewed on norweigan TV he was asked how much he made for the last photo taken of MJ, he replied ''Chris me and the other people that were there that day and the other day and uh..'' looking very uncomfortable and embarrased. Ive seen this guy in other interviews and most times he is often arrogant and confident.
LaToya: after the memorial at Staple Centre the Jackson sisters greet the fans and LaToya talks about Michael in present tense saying ''Thank you for coming and thank you for your support. Michael loves you all so much. His family comes first and his fans come second. He is watching every single one of you and he loves you so much''.
Dancer from TII on Holland Talk Show: talks about Michael in present tense. The host asks him why he is speaking of MJ in present tense as if he is not really dead and the dancer replies saying: ''But he isnt dead, not for me. I can feel him, in the life experiences I now have. I can still feel he is there for me''.
Arnie Klein, Interview on LKL: ''He was probably the most talented actor...''
Randy Phillips interviewed through a phone call: ''Michael said thank you for getting me this far, I can take it from here. Whatever happened that morning, I was at the hospital when he arrived but whatever happened that morning certainly wasnt something that he ever thought or planned''.
Why is it in the HollywoodTV footage when the camera stops filming the ambulance and runs off, if you pause it frame by frame, you can see next to Engine 71 that THERE IS NO STARLINE BUS next to it at all. It arrives AFTER the ambulance has left! And in the Starline bus video, the bus isnt in the same position no matter which way you look at it as the HTV video which arrives after.
Here are some slip ups:
Jermaine (Premiere of TII):, on Larry King Live: ''This is it. But this is really not this. This is not the final curtain, no''.
Ben (Ambulance Paparazzi): , whilst interviewed on norweigan TV he was asked how much he made for the last photo taken of MJ, he replied ''Chris me and the other people that were there that day and the other day and uh..'' looking very uncomfortable and embarrased. Ive seen this guy in other interviews and most times he is often arrogant and confident.
LaToya: after the memorial at Staple Centre the Jackson sisters greet the fans and LaToya talks about Michael in present tense saying ''Thank you for coming and thank you for your support. Michael loves you all so much. His family comes first and his fans come second. He is watching every single one of you and he loves you so much''.
Dancer from TII on Holland Talk Show: talks about Michael in present tense. The host asks him why he is speaking of MJ in present tense as if he is not really dead and the dancer replies saying: ''But he isnt dead, not for me. I can feel him, in the life experiences I now have. I can still feel he is there for me''.
Arnie Klein, Interview on LKL: ''He was probably the most talented actor...''
Randy Phillips interviewed through a phone call: ''Michael said thank you for getting me this far, I can take it from here. Whatever happened that morning, I was at the hospital when he arrived but whatever happened that morning certainly wasnt something that he ever thought or planned''.
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I dont understand Naeniver's explanation of the two cameramen.
One cameraman videotaped from the back to the right side of the ambulance continuously in one video,bumping into the other cameraman in red that was already there(on the right side of the vehicle) and then runs off.
But on the second video we see two cameramen, one films the back of the vehicle then runs off. while the one in red stays behind a little longer...but no one such as a cameraman is seen bumping into the photographer in red in the second video as was suggested by the continuous filming of the 1rst video.
How is that explained?
I dont understand Naeniver's explanation of the two cameramen.
One cameraman videotaped from the back to the right side of the ambulance continuously in one video,bumping into the other cameraman in red that was already there(on the right side of the vehicle) and then runs off.
But on the second video we see two cameramen, one films the back of the vehicle then runs off. while the one in red stays behind a little longer...but no one such as a cameraman is seen bumping into the photographer in red in the second video as was suggested by the continuous filming of the 1rst video.
How is that explained?
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You know, I can see the conspiracy in a good number of things, but not with Michael Jackson's death.
Simply put, what would be the point? What would be the point in leaving his children?
I find nothing remotely logical, scientific or reasonable about the assertions of MJ's death being a hoax and I'm pretty open to considering all possibilities.
I just find nothing at all to remotely support the possibility. I'm sry.
You know, I can see the conspiracy in a good number of things, but not with Michael Jackson's death.
Simply put, what would be the point? What would be the point in leaving his children?
I find nothing remotely logical, scientific or reasonable about the assertions of MJ's death being a hoax and I'm pretty open to considering all possibilities.
I just find nothing at all to remotely support the possibility. I'm sry.
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Who said MJ left his kids? In fact its been reported even by TMZ that Michael was with his kids and Liz at the Halloween party!!!
Did any of MJ's family look upset/crying at the memorial or funeral? (Except Paris but I dont want to get into that one now.)
Janet smilied when she was interviewed about her brother!! And then talks about how she is moving on with life?!?
The question is why would MJ do this if he didnt really die? Because as he always preached, he thought his life was in danger, he knew of conspiracies around him. He was already afraid of being killed. He could be in the witness protection program. This is if this is a hoax.
Im looking at all aspect of this, from the side that he was murdered and from the side that he had to disappear for a little while which is something he said he wanted to do.
There are SOOOOO many inconsistencies from both sides. Some many things dont make sense.
Who said MJ left his kids? In fact its been reported even by TMZ that Michael was with his kids and Liz at the Halloween party!!!
Did any of MJ's family look upset/crying at the memorial or funeral? (Except Paris but I dont want to get into that one now.)
Janet smilied when she was interviewed about her brother!! And then talks about how she is moving on with life?!?
The question is why would MJ do this if he didnt really die? Because as he always preached, he thought his life was in danger, he knew of conspiracies around him. He was already afraid of being killed. He could be in the witness protection program. This is if this is a hoax.
Im looking at all aspect of this, from the side that he was murdered and from the side that he had to disappear for a little while which is something he said he wanted to do.
There are SOOOOO many inconsistencies from both sides. Some many things dont make sense.
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This is how I've always seen it too.
Either he was a victim of a conspired murder or he hoaxed himself out of what he feared would happen to him. Its Natural. Human foresees danger and runs away from it, if possible. But I'm not sure he hoaxed his death, although some of the evidence seems compelling.
I'm open to both sides and none of them are consistent.
As of now we are all rats being directed in circles wether you believe in this theory or that.
This is how I've always seen it too.
Either he was a victim of a conspired murder or he hoaxed himself out of what he feared would happen to him. Its Natural. Human foresees danger and runs away from it, if possible. But I'm not sure he hoaxed his death, although some of the evidence seems compelling.
I'm open to both sides and none of them are consistent.
As of now we are all rats being directed in circles wether you believe in this theory or that.
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^^Exactly. I have an open mind and dont have tunnel vision which is what certain people want us to have.
^^Exactly. I have an open mind and dont have tunnel vision which is what certain people want us to have.
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You really should know better than this. TMZ is a tabloid, for heaven's sake. They would exploit a newborn babe if it meant more hits and more money.
MJ and his children visited Liz Taylor on Halloween in 2008, not 2009. Everyone knows this. Anyone making any other assertions is just pulling your leg.
Was anyone other than Paris upset at the memorial? Are you kidding me? Or didn't you not see Marlon completely break down? His brothers were balling their eyes out on that stage. Come on now. Let's quit with the tunnel vision here.
Janet ALWAYS smiles and giggles when she has to talk about difficult subjects. I know a lot of people who do the same. It's called a nervous reaction -- a coping mechanism. Also, she said exactly that when she was interviewed.
And life DOES GO ON. Why people want to live in suspended animation because Mike is gone is beyond my comprehension. It's not a noble or honorable thing to do and it's certainly not healthy at all.
Lastly, one does not go into a witness protection program without providing information to the federal govt that would support the conviction of someones' wrongdoing.
I think people see what they want to see, especially when it's hard to accept certain truths and realities. Now I understand why the families of some celebrities, such as Selena, opened her casket so that people could see that she really was dead.
It's funny now, because in hindsight, they should have just opened MJ's casket for public viewing. The very thing that a lot of fans claimed that they couldn't bare to see.
You really should know better than this. TMZ is a tabloid, for heaven's sake. They would exploit a newborn babe if it meant more hits and more money.
MJ and his children visited Liz Taylor on Halloween in 2008, not 2009. Everyone knows this. Anyone making any other assertions is just pulling your leg.
Was anyone other than Paris upset at the memorial? Are you kidding me? Or didn't you not see Marlon completely break down? His brothers were balling their eyes out on that stage. Come on now. Let's quit with the tunnel vision here.
Janet ALWAYS smiles and giggles when she has to talk about difficult subjects. I know a lot of people who do the same. It's called a nervous reaction -- a coping mechanism. Also, she said exactly that when she was interviewed.
And life DOES GO ON. Why people want to live in suspended animation because Mike is gone is beyond my comprehension. It's not a noble or honorable thing to do and it's certainly not healthy at all.
Lastly, one does not go into a witness protection program without providing information to the federal govt that would support the conviction of someones' wrongdoing.
I think people see what they want to see, especially when it's hard to accept certain truths and realities. Now I understand why the families of some celebrities, such as Selena, opened her casket so that people could see that she really was dead.
It's funny now, because in hindsight, they should have just opened MJ's casket for public viewing. The very thing that a lot of fans claimed that they couldn't bare to see.
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Its claimed that a man the same height with the same mannerisms wearing a Saw 6 mask (which isnt allowed according to a sign there) goes up to Paris and whispers in her ear. This video helps explain alot and shows that is was 2009:
[youtube]qFbks6HuR6I[/youtube]
Like I said, Im not seeing what I want to see, if MJ is dead, then thats very sad and I will focus my attention to who did it which I already am.
But Ive also seen things that could explain why he might be alive and why he did what he did. Im not in denial here. I actually accepted months ago the fact that MJ passed away. Its only been recently that I have seen things on the other side of the fence that also has me asking questions. Im open to all possibilities. After all, this is Michael Jackson we're talking about.
It's also funny how they claim that MJ's face was damaged due to CPR (which is why the casket wasnt open) and as a nurse in this thread has pointed out, this isnt possible. If MJ was beaten up, thats different and points to murder.
Dont just go by the few things I have pointed out here. True there are many theories that are just rubbish or dont make sense, but thats why Im weeding through everything. Dont be blind, its all right in front of you.
Other things about TMZ I would like to know is:
How did they know 2 hours before it was officially announced that MJ was dead?
Why is TMZ allowed to stream links to unreleased MJ tracks but MJ boards such as MJJC are not?
And off TMZ:
Why wasnt it UCLA or LAPD that announced MJ's death instead of a family member? This isnt common practice. Yoko didnt stand up front of the world and tell everyone that John was killed.
Here is a list of slip ups:
[youtube]XhEGFOqtfMw[/youtube]
Ok Im not an idiot and dont believe everything I see which is why Im here in this thread in the first place.............also it was 2009 they were talking about NOT 2008! Thats why it was strange
Its claimed that a man the same height with the same mannerisms wearing a Saw 6 mask (which isnt allowed according to a sign there) goes up to Paris and whispers in her ear. This video helps explain alot and shows that is was 2009:
[youtube]qFbks6HuR6I[/youtube]
Really? Did your tunnel vision allow you to see LaToya and Jackie both laughing on stage when Paris was up there? Plus to me the Paris speech really seemed staged. It looked like crocodile tears to me.
How often has Janet had to talk about difficult subjects and smiles? Apart from this one? Janet also said she'd wear black for the rest of the year but is always wearing white! Even in that interview! She also said she was at her NY home when she found out the news but the director of her new movie said they were in London!! I know where I was when I heard the news and Im not related to MJ. Janet can also keep a secret. Nobody knew she was married for 12 years until after the fact!
Well I said it was one possiblity and how would we know if the govt isnt aware? We wouldnt. If we did, then MJ death hoax failed.
Like I said, Im not seeing what I want to see, if MJ is dead, then thats very sad and I will focus my attention to who did it which I already am.
But Ive also seen things that could explain why he might be alive and why he did what he did. Im not in denial here. I actually accepted months ago the fact that MJ passed away. Its only been recently that I have seen things on the other side of the fence that also has me asking questions. Im open to all possibilities. After all, this is Michael Jackson we're talking about.
It's also funny how they claim that MJ's face was damaged due to CPR (which is why the casket wasnt open) and as a nurse in this thread has pointed out, this isnt possible. If MJ was beaten up, thats different and points to murder.
Dont just go by the few things I have pointed out here. True there are many theories that are just rubbish or dont make sense, but thats why Im weeding through everything. Dont be blind, its all right in front of you.
Other things about TMZ I would like to know is:
How did they know 2 hours before it was officially announced that MJ was dead?
Why is TMZ allowed to stream links to unreleased MJ tracks but MJ boards such as MJJC are not?
And off TMZ:
Why wasnt it UCLA or LAPD that announced MJ's death instead of a family member? This isnt common practice. Yoko didnt stand up front of the world and tell everyone that John was killed.
Here is a list of slip ups:
[youtube]XhEGFOqtfMw[/youtube]
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MJJ7777
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Can't argue against your other points mainly because they are interpretation and opinion-based as opposed to FACTUAL but there is one thing I can correct you on and that is,
The Bolded Part- About the Halloween situation...it was about Halloween Horror nights in 2009, not Halloween the holiday.
TMZ originally posted in the heading something along the lines of " MJ and His kids with Liz Taylor at halloween horror night" but it has since been corrected it to "MJ's kids with Liz" or something like that, look it up.
Could have just passed on as a typo but part of controversy is that there is a floating TMZ clip with the kids visit to Halloween Horror Night which features an unidentified man dressed abnormally (unlike the other visitors) who was with the Jackson family at the time and even whispering something into Paris' ears.
Some people feel that this unidentified man was too close to be just anyone but I don't know, coulda just been anyone from the Jackson family to be honest, but its weird b/c TMZ originally posted the story to say "MJ and his kids with Liz at Halloween Horror Nights"
Could mean absolutely nothing in the end but it is what it is.
And...no one is looking for a debate here, inconsistencies are being pointed out that's all.
There really is nothing to debate here-_-...these are just facts that stand out; make what you will,no one's forcing you to do anything.
Can't argue against your other points mainly because they are interpretation and opinion-based as opposed to FACTUAL but there is one thing I can correct you on and that is,
The Bolded Part- About the Halloween situation...it was about Halloween Horror nights in 2009, not Halloween the holiday.
TMZ originally posted in the heading something along the lines of " MJ and His kids with Liz Taylor at halloween horror night" but it has since been corrected it to "MJ's kids with Liz" or something like that, look it up.
Could have just passed on as a typo but part of controversy is that there is a floating TMZ clip with the kids visit to Halloween Horror Night which features an unidentified man dressed abnormally (unlike the other visitors) who was with the Jackson family at the time and even whispering something into Paris' ears.
Some people feel that this unidentified man was too close to be just anyone but I don't know, coulda just been anyone from the Jackson family to be honest, but its weird b/c TMZ originally posted the story to say "MJ and his kids with Liz at Halloween Horror Nights"
Could mean absolutely nothing in the end but it is what it is.
And...no one is looking for a debate here, inconsistencies are being pointed out that's all.
There really is nothing to debate here-_-...these are just facts that stand out; make what you will,no one's forcing you to do anything.
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Here are the SUV's I was pointing out earlier:
???
The bus is there.
I'm not sure what you're saying. There are two cameramen behind the ambulance. Those two cameramen are wearing black shirts and at one point cross each other. The one who is in the front is the one whose footage we see in the first video. You can see the hands of the other cameraman very quickly at 1:29, which is when they were slightly crossing paths. That man then ran off. The first cameraman continued following the ambulance and slipped off to the right, passing the photographer in the red shirt. He follows the ambulance a little bit more. This is when he quickly turns around, and you can see that the photographer had also begun to run off. You need to continuously press Play and Pause because it all happens so fast.
Here are the SUV's I was pointing out earlier:
???
The bus is there.
I'm not sure what you're saying. There are two cameramen behind the ambulance. Those two cameramen are wearing black shirts and at one point cross each other. The one who is in the front is the one whose footage we see in the first video. You can see the hands of the other cameraman very quickly at 1:29, which is when they were slightly crossing paths. That man then ran off. The first cameraman continued following the ambulance and slipped off to the right, passing the photographer in the red shirt. He follows the ambulance a little bit more. This is when he quickly turns around, and you can see that the photographer had also begun to run off. You need to continuously press Play and Pause because it all happens so fast.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z_VWCpIgrJI&feature=player_embedded#
its the TMZ video @ :19-23 seconds you see the paramedic (dressed in dark clothing with white writing on his backshirt) who was around the cameraman in black, walk away slowly with papers/documents in his hand, while the cameraman in black runs off straightahead without going to the right side where the other photog in red was.
Hmmm...I just re-watched the video and I do see two men besides the black guy behind the vehicle, problem is one is a paramedic while the other is a cameraman...watch it again to see. I'm seeing the black security guy, the cameraman in black, a paramedic (near the cameraman in black behind the vehicle and then the lone cameraman in red on the right side.Here are the SUV's I was pointing out earlier:
???
The bus is there.
I'm not sure what you're saying. There are two cameramen behind the ambulance. Those two cameramen are wearing black shirts and at one point cross each other. The one who is in the front is the one whose footage we see in the first video. You can see the hands of the other cameraman very quickly at 1:29, which is when they were slightly crossing paths. That man then ran off. The first cameraman continued following the ambulance and slipped off to the right, passing the photographer in the red shirt. He follows the ambulance a little bit more. This is when he quickly turns around, and you can see that the photographer had also begun to run off. You need to continuously press Play and Pause because it all happens so fast.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z_VWCpIgrJI&feature=player_embedded#
its the TMZ video @ :19-23 seconds you see the paramedic (dressed in dark clothing with white writing on his backshirt) who was around the cameraman in black, walk away slowly with papers/documents in his hand, while the cameraman in black runs off straightahead without going to the right side where the other photog in red was.
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Very cool. Thank you for pointing that out for me.
Veiwing it again, the HTV video shows the ambulance leaving first and then goes back and shows before the ambulance leaves so there is only 1 ambulance. You can tell all this because in the 2nd half of the HTV video, a fireman takes out the orange cones and puts them on the floor, if we look back at the begining of the HTV video, you can see the cones are already down which means that the Starline bus must have been asked to move back.
Another mystery is HIStory!! :tease:
Sad though that the ambulance isnt in a rush at all!
There really are a lot of slip ups too. Here is another from Joe:
When a paparazzi from X17Online asked Joe Jackson if he has a message for Michaels grieving fans, Joe and the publicist next to him says: "He misses the fans".
Here are the SUV's I was pointing out earlier:
???
The bus is there.
Very cool. Thank you for pointing that out for me.
Veiwing it again, the HTV video shows the ambulance leaving first and then goes back and shows before the ambulance leaves so there is only 1 ambulance. You can tell all this because in the 2nd half of the HTV video, a fireman takes out the orange cones and puts them on the floor, if we look back at the begining of the HTV video, you can see the cones are already down which means that the Starline bus must have been asked to move back.
Another mystery is HIStory!! :tease:
Sad though that the ambulance isnt in a rush at all!
There really are a lot of slip ups too. Here is another from Joe:
When a paparazzi from X17Online asked Joe Jackson if he has a message for Michaels grieving fans, Joe and the publicist next to him says: "He misses the fans".
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Watch it again from 0:04-0:12. To the right, you will see a man in a tan shirt, and a man in a black shirt. Keep your eye on the man in the black shirt. Once the ambulance pulls back enough, he pushes forward and positions himself behind the vehicle, along with the first cameraman and the black man. The paramedic you were speaking of was out of vision at that point, but you will see him come back into range at 0:17.
This is also when you will see that second cameraman run off, while the red photographer is still trying to get a picture, and the first cameraman (who slipped off to the right during all this), is behind that photographer... but out of range for the Starline camera to see. Confusing, I know, but keep rewinding and you'll see.
Anyway, I've answered every question you two raised. There's nothing inconsistent about these videos. I'm done with analyzing/watching them...can't stand to see that ambulance again.
Like Dangerous Incorporated said..."Another mystery is HIStory"
Watch it again from 0:04-0:12. To the right, you will see a man in a tan shirt, and a man in a black shirt. Keep your eye on the man in the black shirt. Once the ambulance pulls back enough, he pushes forward and positions himself behind the vehicle, along with the first cameraman and the black man. The paramedic you were speaking of was out of vision at that point, but you will see him come back into range at 0:17.
This is also when you will see that second cameraman run off, while the red photographer is still trying to get a picture, and the first cameraman (who slipped off to the right during all this), is behind that photographer... but out of range for the Starline camera to see. Confusing, I know, but keep rewinding and you'll see.
Anyway, I've answered every question you two raised. There's nothing inconsistent about these videos. I'm done with analyzing/watching them...can't stand to see that ambulance again.
Like Dangerous Incorporated said..."Another mystery is HIStory"
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I mean at least stop with the ambulance thing. Fans didn't witness him at the coroner's or in the hospital, but they did when they left the house. Just wanted to narrow down your areas of focus
I mean at least stop with the ambulance thing. Fans didn't witness him at the coroner's or in the hospital, but they did when they left the house. Just wanted to narrow down your areas of focus
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Oh...well I think my comment "Another mystery is HIStory" kind of implies that
Oh...well I think my comment "Another mystery is HIStory" kind of implies that
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After reviewing and reviewing, I quit this topic. I must be blind on this one. Hope you're right. Thanks for taking the time to explain though.
Goodbye ambulance theory.
Watch it again from 0:04-0:12. To the right, you will see a man in a tan shirt, and a man in a black shirt. Keep your eye on the man in the black shirt. Once the ambulance pulls back enough, he pushes forward and positions himself behind the vehicle, along with the first cameraman and the black man. The paramedic you were speaking of was out of vision at that point, but you will see him come back into range at 0:17.
This is also when you will see that second cameraman run off, while the red photographer is still trying to get a picture, and the first cameraman (who slipped off to the right during all this), is behind that photographer... but out of range for the Starline camera to see. Confusing, I know, but keep rewinding and you'll see.
Anyway, I've answered every question you two raised. There's nothing inconsistent about these videos. I'm done with analyzing/watching them...can't stand to see that ambulance again.
Like Dangerous Incorporated said..."Another mystery is HIStory"
After reviewing and reviewing, I quit this topic. I must be blind on this one. Hope you're right. Thanks for taking the time to explain though.
Goodbye ambulance theory.
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Really are not the same videos;
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QuXRaJFdmKU
At 1:43, there is clearly an ambulance within the gates. And the SL´s car did not even yet, but an ambulance already left.
When the SL´s car arrives , is filming this ambulance that m 1:43 is still inside the gates.
So I ask, because two ambulances? and in two Videro have rear protected by security?
Really are not the same videos;
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QuXRaJFdmKU
At 1:43, there is clearly an ambulance within the gates. And the SL´s car did not even yet, but an ambulance already left.
When the SL´s car arrives , is filming this ambulance that m 1:43 is still inside the gates.
So I ask, because two ambulances? and in two Videro have rear protected by security?
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Well to be honest when I first heard the hoax allegations I wanted to beleive them. I mean come on some of them are rather good and do make sense. But Michael or his family would never do that.
Well to be honest when I first heard the hoax allegations I wanted to beleive them. I mean come on some of them are rather good and do make sense. But Michael or his family would never do that.
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Ok i just watched it and I thought it was a repeat on 1:43...But when i watched it again, The SL car was not there for the first recording but was there for 1:43 one.
When i watch the Hoax vids on YT, I get swayed cuz it makes sense...but at the same time...I dont know what to think...
L.O.V.E.
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Ok i just watched it and I thought it was a repeat on 1:43...But when i watched it again, The SL car was not there for the first recording but was there for 1:43 one.
When i watch the Hoax vids on YT, I get swayed cuz it makes sense...but at the same time...I dont know what to think...
L.O.V.E.
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i agree, Michael would never do that - for money. he says himself, 'if you want it, you earn it with dignity.' just like he's always been doing, from when he was a young child.
but what if his life was in danger? he has long believed his life was in danger. what if this O2 announcement brought the threats back? or what if going through the concerts could kill him? we've seen how thin he was. or what if there were intelligence reports of a possible O2 bombing during his concerts? exaggeration perhaps, but we don't really know.
but i am looking closely because whatever our opinion is, the fact is that there are weird things, quite a few already mentioned in this thread, which do not necessarily point to a death or a murder conspiracy. it's as if clues were deliberately left behind for us to follow, and then there are people making mistakes in the stories they tell.
"he wouldn't do this to the fans" - i agree. that would be despicable, especially if he's just been laughing his way to the bank after june 25. i don't know Michael except for his public image, but i think i've seen, heard and read enough to safely say he's a very decent and honorable man. i'm adding my woman's intuition here as my basic source for saying that. for him to hoax his death, if he did, had to be for far more serious reasons than we can imagine. and wouldn't having to do that be painful for him and his family as well? if he hoaxed his death, it had to be because he had no other choice. we don't really know his personal circumstances, after all. also, as someone above said, in matters like this, it can't be about the fans anymore.
i have opened up my heart to you all, i know it's a very unpopular opinion, and i may be wrong. if, in the end, incontestable proof comes along that convinces me he's truly passed away, what can i do but accept it? for now, though, i believe we're still sharing the same planet. i only want for him to be all right.
i agree, Michael would never do that - for money. he says himself, 'if you want it, you earn it with dignity.' just like he's always been doing, from when he was a young child.
but what if his life was in danger? he has long believed his life was in danger. what if this O2 announcement brought the threats back? or what if going through the concerts could kill him? we've seen how thin he was. or what if there were intelligence reports of a possible O2 bombing during his concerts? exaggeration perhaps, but we don't really know.
but i am looking closely because whatever our opinion is, the fact is that there are weird things, quite a few already mentioned in this thread, which do not necessarily point to a death or a murder conspiracy. it's as if clues were deliberately left behind for us to follow, and then there are people making mistakes in the stories they tell.
"he wouldn't do this to the fans" - i agree. that would be despicable, especially if he's just been laughing his way to the bank after june 25. i don't know Michael except for his public image, but i think i've seen, heard and read enough to safely say he's a very decent and honorable man. i'm adding my woman's intuition here as my basic source for saying that. for him to hoax his death, if he did, had to be for far more serious reasons than we can imagine. and wouldn't having to do that be painful for him and his family as well? if he hoaxed his death, it had to be because he had no other choice. we don't really know his personal circumstances, after all. also, as someone above said, in matters like this, it can't be about the fans anymore.
i have opened up my heart to you all, i know it's a very unpopular opinion, and i may be wrong. if, in the end, incontestable proof comes along that convinces me he's truly passed away, what can i do but accept it? for now, though, i believe we're still sharing the same planet. i only want for him to be all right.