mistty4m
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Re: The hoax site...
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Some people are saying that TMZ are aware of the hoax which is why they haven't moved Michael Jackson under the Dead Celebrities section:
http://www.tmz.com/category/r-i-p/page/2/
The Starline bus when stopped is almost parrallel in the Starline video and on the HollywoodTV video, the end of the bus lines up with the back of the firetruck. Theyre not the same. It doesnt matter from which camera angle you can see they dont match up.
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Like I said, there is a time gap between the videos.
The Starline bus arrives and drives past the firetruck.
You immediately see a man (EMT or fireman) signal the driver of the bus.
The gates close with the ambulance inside.
--TIME GAP--
Next clip, the gates have reopened and the ambulance is backing up. YES, the bus is parallel to the firetruck. Why? Clearly the bus was in the way when it drove up to Michael's home in the first place, and the driver was told to back it up so that the ambulance and SUV's can properly leave.
There is NOTHING wrong with these videos.
Sure he could have meant that but it's a bit of an odd way to put it.
Yes 100% sure this is a video about a few slip ups http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XhEGFOqtfMw (which is very interesting if you ask me) at 3:00 you can see the one I was talking about.
watched the vid, and yes, it's interesting. the two that struck me the most were the photographer's "and the other d.." and Kenny's "he's so present in the film you forget that he's still not with us." why the word "still?" it really seemed to be a slip-up. otherwise, he should have said "that he's not with us anymore."
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Like I said, there is a time gap between the videos.
The Starline bus arrives and drives past the firetruck.
You immediately see a man (EMT or fireman) signal the driver of the bus.
The gates close with the ambulance inside.
--TIME GAP--
Next clip, the gates have reopened and the ambulance is backing up. YES, the bus is parallel to the firetruck. Why? Clearly the bus was in the way when it drove up to Michael's home in the first place, and the driver was told to back it up so that the ambulance and SUV's can properly leave.
There is NOTHING wrong with these videos.
You know, I can see the conspiracy in a good number of things, but not with Michael Jackson's death.
Simply put, what would be the point? What would be the point in leaving his children?
I find nothing remotely logical, scientific or reasonable about the assertions of MJ's death being a hoax and I'm pretty open to considering all possibilities.
I just find nothing at all to remotely support the possibility. I'm sry.
Who said MJ left his kids? In fact its been reported even by TMZ that Michael was with his kids and Liz at the Halloween party!!!
Did any of MJ's family look upset/crying at the memorial or funeral? (Except Paris but I dont want to get into that one now.)
Janet smilied when she was interviewed about her brother!! And then talks about how she is moving on with life?!?
The question is why would MJ do this if he didnt really die? Because as he always preached, he thought his life was in danger, he knew of conspiracies around him. He was already afraid of being killed. He could be in the witness protection program. This is if this is a hoax.
Im looking at all aspect of this, from the side that he was murdered and from the side that he had to disappear for a little while which is something he said he wanted to do.
There are SOOOOO many inconsistencies from both sides. Some many things dont make sense.
Who said MJ left his kids? In fact its been reported even by TMZ that Michael was with his kids and Liz at the Halloween party!!!
Did any of MJ's family look upset/crying at the memorial or funeral? (Except Paris but I dont want to get into that one now.)
Janet smilied when she was interviewed about her brother!! And then talks about how she is moving on with life?!?
The question is why would MJ do this if he didnt really die? Because as he always preached, he thought his life was in danger, he knew of conspiracies around him. He was already afraid of being killed. He could be in the witness protection program. This is if this is a hoax.
Im looking at all aspect of this, from the side that he was murdered and from the side that he had to disappear for a little while which is something he said he wanted to do.
There are SOOOOO many inconsistencies from both sides. Some many things dont make sense.
Ok Im not an idiot and dont believe everything I see which is why Im here in this thread in the first place.............also it was 2009 they were talking about NOT 2008! Thats why it was strangeYou really should know better than this. TMZ is a tabloid, for heaven's sake. They would exploit a newborn babe if it meant more hits and more money.
MJ and his children visited Liz Taylor on Halloween in 2008, not 2009. Everyone knows this. Anyone making any other assertions is just pulling your leg.
Really? Did your tunnel vision allow you to see LaToya and Jackie both laughing on stage when Paris was up there? Plus to me the Paris speech really seemed staged. It looked like crocodile tears to me.Was anyone other than Paris upset at the memorial? Are you kidding me? Or didn't you not see Marlon completely break down? His brothers were balling their eyes out on that stage. Come on now. Let's quit with the tunnel vision here.
How often has Janet had to talk about difficult subjects and smiles? Apart from this one? Janet also said she'd wear black for the rest of the year but is always wearing white! Even in that interview! She also said she was at her NY home when she found out the news but the director of her new movie said they were in London!! I know where I was when I heard the news and Im not related to MJ. Janet can also keep a secret. Nobody knew she was married for 12 years until after the fact!Janet ALWAYS smiles and giggles when she has to talk about difficult subjects. I know a lot of people who do the same. It's called a nervous reaction -- a coping mechanism. Also, she said exactly that when she was interviewed.
Well I said it was one possiblity and how would we know if the govt isnt aware? We wouldnt. If we did, then MJ death hoax failed.Lastly, one does not go into a witness protection program without providing information to the federal govt that would support the conviction of someones' wrongdoing.
It's funny now, because in hindsight, they should have just opened MJ's casket for public viewing. The very thing that a lot of fans claimed that they couldn't bare to see.
You really should know better than this. TMZ is a tabloid, for heaven's sake. They would exploit a newborn babe if it meant more hits and more money.
MJ and his children visited Liz Taylor on Halloween in 2008, not 2009. Everyone knows this. Anyone making any other assertions is just pulling your leg.
Was anyone other than Paris upset at the memorial? Are you kidding me? Or didn't you not see Marlon completely break down? His brothers were balling their eyes out on that stage. Come on now. Let's quit with the tunnel vision here.
Janet ALWAYS smiles and giggles when she has to talk about difficult subjects. I know a lot of people who do the same. It's called a nervous reaction -- a coping mechanism. Also, she said exactly that when she was interviewed.
And life DOES GO ON. Why people want to live in suspended animation because Mike is gone is beyond my comprehension. It's not a noble or honorable thing to do and it's certainly not healthy at all.
Lastly, one does not go into a witness protection program without providing information to the federal govt that would support the conviction of someones' wrongdoing.
I think people see what they want to see, especially when it's hard to accept certain truths and realities. Now I understand why the families of some celebrities, such as Selena, opened her casket so that people could see that she really was dead.
It's funny now, because in hindsight, they should have just opened MJ's casket for public viewing. The very thing that a lot of fans claimed that they couldn't bare to see.
Why is it in the HollywoodTV footage when the camera stops filming the ambulance and runs off, if you pause it frame by frame, you can see next to Engine 71 that THERE IS NO STARLINE BUS next to it at all. It arrives AFTER the ambulance has left! And in the Starline bus video, the bus isnt in the same position no matter which way you look at it as the HTV video which arrives after.
I dont understand Naeniver's explanation of the two cameramen.
One cameraman videotaped from the back to the right side of the ambulance continuously in one video,bumping into the other cameraman in red that was already there(on the right side of the vehicle) and then runs off.
But on the second video we see two cameramen, one films the back of the vehicle then runs off. while the one in red stays behind a little longer...but no one such as a cameraman is seen bumping into the photographer in red in the second video as was suggested by the continuous filming of the 1rst video.
How is that explained?
Hmmm...I just re-watched the video and I do see two men besides the black guy behind the vehicle, problem is one is a paramedic while the other is a cameraman...watch it again to see. I'm seeing the black security guy, the cameraman in black, a paramedic (near the cameraman in black behind the vehicle and then the lone cameraman in red on the right side.Here are the SUV's I was pointing out earlier:
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The bus is there.
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I'm not sure what you're saying. There are two cameramen behind the ambulance. Those two cameramen are wearing black shirts and at one point cross each other. The one who is in the front is the one whose footage we see in the first video. You can see the hands of the other cameraman very quickly at 1:29, which is when they were slightly crossing paths. That man then ran off. The first cameraman continued following the ambulance and slipped off to the right, passing the photographer in the red shirt. He follows the ambulance a little bit more. This is when he quickly turns around, and you can see that the photographer had also begun to run off. You need to continuously press Play and Pause because it all happens so fast.
Here are the SUV's I was pointing out earlier:
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The bus is there.
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Hmmm...I just re-watched the video and I do see two men besides the black guy behind the vehicle, problem is one is a paramedic while the other is a cameraman...watch it again to see. I'm seeing the black security guy, the cameraman in black, a paramedic (near the cameraman in black behind the vehicle and then the lone cameraman in red on the right side.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z_VWCpIgrJI&feature=player_embedded#
its the TMZ video @ :19-23 seconds you see the paramedic (dressed in dark clothing with white writing on his backshirt) who was around the cameraman in black, walk away slowly with papers/documents in his hand, while the cameraman in black runs off straightahead without going to the right side where the other photog in red was.
Please stop this, no inconsistencies or hoax here. Everything is witnessed.
lol Thats what this thread is for.:scratch:
I mean at least stop with the ambulance thing. Fans didn't witness him at the coroner's or in the hospital, but they did when they left the house. Just wanted to narrow down your areas of focus
Watch it again from 0:04-0:12. To the right, you will see a man in a tan shirt, and a man in a black shirt. Keep your eye on the man in the black shirt. Once the ambulance pulls back enough, he pushes forward and positions himself behind the vehicle, along with the first cameraman and the black man. The paramedic you were speaking of was out of vision at that point, but you will see him come back into range at 0:17.
This is also when you will see that second cameraman run off, while the red photographer is still trying to get a picture, and the first cameraman (who slipped off to the right during all this), is behind that photographer... but out of range for the Starline camera to see. Confusing, I know, but keep rewinding and you'll see.
Anyway, I've answered every question you two raised. There's nothing inconsistent about these videos. I'm done with analyzing/watching them...can't stand to see that ambulance again.![]()
Like Dangerous Incorporated said..."Another mystery is HIStory"
Really are not the same videos;
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QuXRaJFdmKU
At 1:43, there is clearly an ambulance within the gates. And the SL´s car did not even yet, but an ambulance already left.
When the SL´s car arrives , is filming this ambulance that m 1:43 is still inside the gates.
So I ask, because two ambulances? and in two Videro have rear protected by security?
Well to be honest when I first heard the hoax allegations I wanted to beleive them. I mean come on some of them are rather good and do make sense. But Michael or his family would never do that.