Hoax website shows ZERO respect to Michael

[Asedora]

You brought up a different hoax website in the hoax thread and worked yourself up over it. Yes info HAS come from hoax sites, legitimate and factual info. ?

The info you posted about "fake funeral" a couple days ago is the same info like they have in this disrespectful internet resource. I do not know, probably you took it from there? Give me the link where you taking it from I wish to see this “factual material”. I can Google and I am sure there is a lot crap out there and all of it looks pretty much the same. I do not really want to go through it because I feel sick of it. It is all the same it is all very rubbish.
And the info is the same everywhere. Most hoax websites are disrespectful to Michael's legacy, to his family and I had to bring it up. If you still do not see it, I feel sorry for you. Since now I am putting you on my ignore list because I have no desire to deal with you anymore and your group of supporters. I am tired of it. Have a nice day.

 

[Asedora]

There are some more links I have found. In case if somebody wants to take a look.

http://www.networksolutions.com/whoi...nhoaxforum.com

http://reports.internic.net/cgi/whoi...om&type=domain

http://www.alexa.com/siteinfo/michae...ph&r=home_home

http://www.websiteoutlook.com/www.mi...nhoaxforum.com

 

[Dangerous Incorporated]

The info you posted about "fake funeral" a couple days ago is the same info like they have in this disrespectful internet resource. I do not know, probably you took it from there? Give me the link where you taking it from I wish to see this “factual material”.

Actually the staged funeral was brought to my attention on youtube. Ive watched many, many videos since and cant remember which on it was. You will notice I usually do post a video that has helped with info.:agree:

I got the pictures myself from google and the TII trailer and put it together myself thank you.:cheers:

I have never seen a MJ hoax site or theory that has been disrespectful to MJ's legacy or his family.

Most hoax websites are disrespectful to Michael's legacy, to his family and I had to bring it up.

Like I said before, for someone who hates "hoax crap" you sure do spend a lot of time on hoax sites, forums and threads. If the hoax theories fire you up so bad to the point that you are disrespectful, perhaps you should not go to all the sites I mentioned above.:smilerolleyes: And why post links to "hoax crap" forums? BTW the links dont work!

 

[Tiny Bird]

I was just reading the hoax blog, OMG, is it something like Neuro Linguistic Programming ? They all speak like robots, identical phrases...it is hilarious

"...Not to attack you, but what is it with so many people that they claim to know how Mike thinks, acts or lives? We don’t know anything and we are just looking at facts here."
http://doubledutchblogs.wordpress.com/2009/11/29/debunking-“wacko-*****”-for-once-and-for-all/


"...All symptoms can happen to all people, but all together they are pointing at 1 thing: fluoride poisoning."
LOL. The last place I would go to looking for facts.

 

[TinaG]

Ok, I just wanna add a few things. And I'll preface this by saying (something I have noted before) that I have a good friend who LOVES Michael and IS a fan (not "sick", as suggested) and does believe very much in the hoax. I have tried for many months to convince her otherwise, but I've not been successful...YET. She has shared many things with me that she discovers on the hoax sites (most of which I've seen surfacing in the IU the last week or two)...because she is also always trying to convince ME that MJ is not dead. It's an exhausting tug of war between us, but I respect her, and she respects me, and so we simply agree to disagree. But to my points...

1. There is no proof of any connection between any of the hoax sites to Sony. This was suggested on some of the hoax sites, but no one could ever back it up with any FACTS. It's all speculation. Sony has its own servers...do a WhoIs check of any Sony-owned domain and you will see that for yourself. If they did create any hoax site, they'd have no need to pay for hosting from another company, because they own their own servers. Anonymity? No, sorry, but they can privately register their domain regardless of hosting, so again, no need for hosting anywhere outside of their own servers. And guess what, the original hoax site(s) were C-R-A-P, full of errors and always going down. If Sony wanted to push hoax theories, I think they'd create better websites with which to do it.

2. The original hoax site....michaeljacksonhoaxdeath.com...was owned by Amy S. And when that domain was first registered, it was NOT a private registration. It showed her name and her address in Australia, and showed registered as June 25. Someone earlier described pretty accurately what happened with the multiple closings of that site and its reincarnations. I posted on the original hoax site for a little while as "JustTina," in a wasted effort to offer evidence to refute the hoax. So I am aware of much of what happened there. The site is now owned (allegedly) by other people and is located at http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxdeath.net/forum/

3. MJKit was meant only to be a "backup" site but was run by other people. That site closed (but is still visible) to be opened in a new format. It's now located at: http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com

4. Why would someone create a hoax site on June 25? Are they an MJ "hater?" Maybe. Or maybe a better word would be: opportunist (and I don't mean that in a complimentary sort of way). Does anyone realize how many michael jackson death-related domains were registered on or after June 25? It was a LOT! They have words in them like "death" "funeral" "autopsy" and so on. Do some Googling and see for yourself. It's mind-boggling. And why did they do it? Easy: to make money or to generate traffic...that would ultimately generate income. They don't have to hate MJ to open a website. Some probably do, or are just completely apathetic, but haters don't corner the market on making money off of MJ.

5. Calling hoax-believers "sick" or "disrespectful" is not really right, IMHO. Yeah, there ARE some sick folks among them. But guess what? There are sick folks who don't believe in the hoax too. Just because they believe MJ is alive doesn't make them sick--in denial, sure, a normal (allbeit extreme) part of the natural stages of grief, but not necessarily "sick." And to say that they are disrespecting MJ's legacy and/or his family or anything else? Well, um, there are plenty of people out there who think that the murder/conspiracy believers are just as "disrespectful." I have read AWFUL, DEPLORABLE comments online from people, aimed at anyone who believes MJ's death was anything but a tragic accident. Are they right? I don't think so. No matter what the truth is about MJ's death, any one person's belief is not "sick" or "disrespectful" as long as they have love for MJ at the heart of it.

6. To say anyone is not a fan just because they believe something that you don't, smacks of hubris just a bit. Who gets to define what a Michael Jackson fan is? Is there some doctrine somewhere on that I have missed somehow? We don't have to agree with anyone else's thoughts on Michael's death, but that doesn't give any one of us the right to say someone else is not a fan, simply because they believe differently than we do. My friend, the hoax-believer, knows far more about MJ than I ever will...has every bit of music, dvd, book, you name it in her collection (you can't even call what I have a "collection.") She LOVES him. Period. And while I do question her judgment on MJ's death, I have never ever questioned her love for him, nor will I. If that girl is not one of his biggest fans, then no one is.

7. The info on the screenshot from Google about the original hoax site, that came from a blogger who took it upon him (or her) self to dog and trash Amy, because they believe she only created the hoax site to make money. That blogger really, REALLY does not like Amy and uses very rough language, so if you want to check out their site, you are forewarned: http://www.mjhdconspiracy.blogspot.com/ I like that blogger though. He's seriously harsh and abrasive (if it's a he, not sure!), but he has been calling out Amy (and now the other hoax sites)almost from the beginning. And to my knowledge, he is the one who got the original Google screenshot, etc. Dig into the older posts there and you will find all that. Head's up though: that blogger DOES believe MJ is alive. He just doesn't buy into the B*llsh*t that most of them come up with as "clues" to the hoax.

Finally, I will say what pains me every time I have to say it: I believe that Michael Jackson is dead. I believe that the most likely cause of death was murder, and I am just waiting now and hoping for justice for a death that should never have happened. But I respect any fan who believes MJ is still alive, and I fully believe that just as I have a right to believe MJ was likely murdered, so do they have the right to question and investigate.

 

[meena76]

Wonderful post TinaG.

Everyone please take something from it.

 

[Dangerous Incorporated]

:clapping:Bravo TinaG!:clapping:

 

[The Healer]

I will say this....I LOVE Michael with all my heart and soul for 28 years. I visit death-hoax sites too see what ppl think. That doesn"t mean I disrespect Michael or his family in any way and if someone would say that to me I could bite his head off.
Also...there are some NEW fans who admit themselves that they even thought that Michael was guilty 2005 and they didin"t know ANYTHING about him untill he was gone.
And suddenly...they know everything, they adore Michael, and they have the nerve telling someone like me that I need to get a life. Michael is MY LIFE for 28 years and I want to know everything. Even if I want to belive that he is alive - it is my right, my alone. Like I said many times....I am confused and sometimes I don"t know what to belive. I just want him back.
How gross would it be if I say to someone who greaves over his death that they are crazy and that they are actually happy he died ?!? Some "fans" actually are , I have seen it.
Also...some people on those death-hoax boards are saying some things that are totaly unreal. But I don"t argue with them, what would be the point ?!
Just one more thing.....this board is THE BEST in the world, and it should be a place where we can discuss everything ( and it is ) without being called crazy. If anyone insults Michael , they are banned. But we all love him with all our hearts, that is the thing that matters.

 

[Dangerous Incorporated]

What was the first thing most of us thought when we heard MJ had died? We thought it was a hoax or something right? We didnt believe it until Jermaine came out in front of the media (which it should be a Dr to announce MJs death, never a family member)

 

[Maria MJ]

Thank you Tina for the great post.
Remember: believers or non-believers of hoax, we are all on the same side. We are Michaels loyal fans spreading his message of L.O.V.E. to the world.

 

[man.in.the.mirror]

excellent post tina.

 

[Samtkaninchen]

Great post, TinaG.

I too do not believe in a hoax. But this does not give me the right to condemn someone who is thinking differently. It is the same with all kinds of belief: You are sure that your belief is the right one - but so does someone with a different belief. Not regularly but at times I take a look at postings from hoax believers. Their thoughts often differ from my own mindset but sometimes they give my thoughts a push in another direction I never thought of so far. Let's respect each other.

Peace.

 

[Asedora]

Great post, TinaG.

I too do not believe in a hoax. But this does not give me the right to condemn someone who is thinking differently. It is the same with all kinds of belief: You are sure that your belief is the right one - but so does someone with a different belief. Not regularly but at times I take a look at postings from hoax believers. Their thoughts often differ from my own mindset but sometimes they give my thoughts a push in another direction I never thought of so far. Let's respect each other.

Peace.

The thing is that the reverse is right too. Do not forget about it. I was treated like trash in hoax believers thread because I do not believe in hoax and I think it is very wrong to post material to MJ fan board from the website which contains disrespectful to Michael and his legacy subjects. It was my opinion and I was treated without any indication of politeness. Then mods came and cleaned up ID posts.
I have never said that ppl who believe in hoax are sick. Ppl behind these websites are maybe have problems.
The reason of starting this thread was to show ppl from what kind of disrespectful to Michael websites this material was taken and posted to this board.

I wanted to warn ppl and to be careful when they read/vote this kind of stuff because facts there are mixed with fraud and it seems to me like it is all about manipulations and speculations. This was my great concern. Do I have a right on this board to have my own concerns and opinions? I hope I do still.

I have never called hoax believers disrespectful fans. I addressed it to hoax websites and ppl who are behind them. And it seems rather strange to me to post nonstop material from hoax websites to this board without checking or without wrapping it in “proper words”.
It seems to me that hoax theories were growing on MJJC board especially for the last few days.
And timing looks strange to me too. This Monday fans in LA are going to do their first protest. God bless them!

Hopefully Murray will be arrested and we will see justice.
I hope everybody understands what I am saying and it does make sense. Thank you and have a nice day.....


In Our Darkest Hour
In My Deepest Despair
Will You Still Care?
Will You Be There?
In My Trials
And My Tripulations
Through Our Doubts
And Frustrations
.......

 

[Samtkaninchen]

I completely understand what your are saying. Unfortunately sick minds are to be found everywhere. When I say: Let's respect each other, I am referring this to everyone, no matter on which position somebody is standing. :flowers:

 

[Thetruthbetold]

Who ever runs that tired Azz site should really feel shameful and for those who are going on their and posting and so on should feel like piece of waste. A damn shame they ragged him on their blog then want to have all these so called sections list with theories. They need to fine something better to do.

 

[Asedora]

Who ever runs that tired Azz site should really feel shameful and for those who are going on their and posting and so on should feel like piece of waste. A damn shame they ragged him on their blog then want to have all these so called sections list with theories. They need to fine something better to do.

Thank you, hun for your understanding and your support.

 

[MJJ7777]

Ok, I just wanna add a few things. And I'll preface this by saying (something I have noted before) that I have a good friend who LOVES Michael and IS a fan (not "sick", as suggested) and does believe very much in the hoax. I have tried for many months to convince her otherwise, but I've not been successful...YET. She has shared many things with me that she discovers on the hoax sites (most of which I've seen surfacing in the IU the last week or two)...because she is also always trying to convince ME that MJ is not dead. It's an exhausting tug of war between us, but I respect her, and she respects me, and so we simply agree to disagree. But to my points...

1. There is no proof of any connection between any of the hoax sites to Sony. This was suggested on some of the hoax sites, but no one could ever back it up with any FACTS. It's all speculation. Sony has its own servers...do a WhoIs check of any Sony-owned domain and you will see that for yourself. If they did create any hoax site, they'd have no need to pay for hosting from another company, because they own their own servers. Anonymity? No, sorry, but they can privately register their domain regardless of hosting, so again, no need for hosting anywhere outside of their own servers. And guess what, the original hoax site(s) were C-R-A-P, full of errors and always going down. If Sony wanted to push hoax theories, I think they'd create better websites with which to do it.

2. The original hoax site....michaeljacksonhoaxdeath.com...was owned by Amy S. And when that domain was first registered, it was NOT a private registration. It showed her name and her address in Australia, and showed registered as June 25. Someone earlier described pretty accurately what happened with the multiple closings of that site and its reincarnations. I posted on the original hoax site for a little while as "JustTina," in a wasted effort to offer evidence to refute the hoax. So I am aware of much of what happened there. The site is now owned (allegedly) by other people and is located at http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxdeath.net/forum/

3. MJKit was meant only to be a "backup" site but was run by other people. That site closed (but is still visible) to be opened in a new format. It's now located at: http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com

4. Why would someone create a hoax site on June 25? Are they an MJ "hater?" Maybe. Or maybe a better word would be: opportunist (and I don't mean that in a complimentary sort of way). Does anyone realize how many michael jackson death-related domains were registered on or after June 25? It was a LOT! They have words in them like "death" "funeral" "autopsy" and so on. Do some Googling and see for yourself. It's mind-boggling. And why did they do it? Easy: to make money or to generate traffic...that would ultimately generate income. They don't have to hate MJ to open a website. Some probably do, or are just completely apathetic, but haters don't corner the market on making money off of MJ.

5. Calling hoax-believers "sick" or "disrespectful" is not really right, IMHO. Yeah, there ARE some sick folks among them. But guess what? There are sick folks who don't believe in the hoax too. Just because they believe MJ is alive doesn't make them sick--in denial, sure, a normal (allbeit extreme) part of the natural stages of grief, but not necessarily "sick." And to say that they are disrespecting MJ's legacy and/or his family or anything else? Well, um, there are plenty of people out there who think that the murder/conspiracy believers are just as "disrespectful." I have read AWFUL, DEPLORABLE comments online from people, aimed at anyone who believes MJ's death was anything but a tragic accident. Are they right? I don't think so. No matter what the truth is about MJ's death, any one person's belief is not "sick" or "disrespectful" as long as they have love for MJ at the heart of it.

6. To say anyone is not a fan just because they believe something that you don't, smacks of hubris just a bit. Who gets to define what a Michael Jackson fan is? Is there some doctrine somewhere on that I have missed somehow? We don't have to agree with anyone else's thoughts on Michael's death, but that doesn't give any one of us the right to say someone else is not a fan, simply because they believe differently than we do. My friend, the hoax-believer, knows far more about MJ than I ever will...has every bit of music, dvd, book, you name it in her collection (you can't even call what I have a "collection.") She LOVES him. Period. And while I do question her judgment on MJ's death, I have never ever questioned her love for him, nor will I. If that girl is not one of his biggest fans, then no one is.

7. The info on the screenshot from Google about the original hoax site, that came from a blogger who took it upon him (or her) self to dog and trash Amy, because they believe she only created the hoax site to make money. That blogger really, REALLY does not like Amy and uses very rough language, so if you want to check out their site, you are forewarned: http://www.mjhdconspiracy.blogspot.com/ I like that blogger though. He's seriously harsh and abrasive (if it's a he, not sure!), but he has been calling out Amy (and now the other hoax sites)almost from the beginning. And to my knowledge, he is the one who got the original Google screenshot, etc. Dig into the older posts there and you will find all that. Head's up though: that blogger DOES believe MJ is alive. He just doesn't buy into the B*llsh*t that most of them come up with as "clues" to the hoax.

Finally, I will say what pains me every time I have to say it: I believe that Michael Jackson is dead. I believe that the most likely cause of death was murder, and I am just waiting now and hoping for justice for a death that should never have happened. But I respect any fan who believes MJ is still alive, and I fully believe that just as I have a right to believe MJ was likely murdered, so do they have the right to question and investigate.

That was well said. Thank you.

Ok, I just wanna add a few things. And I'll preface this by saying (something I have noted before) that I have a good friend who LOVES Michael and IS a fan (not "sick", as suggested) and does believe very much in the hoax. I have tried for many months to convince her otherwise, but I've not been successful...YET. She has shared many things with me that she discovers on the hoax sites (most of which I've seen surfacing in the IU the last week or two)...because she is also always trying to convince ME that MJ is not dead. It's an exhausting tug of war between us, but I respect her, and she respects me, and so we simply agree to disagree. But to my points...

1. There is no proof of any connection between any of the hoax sites to Sony. This was suggested on some of the hoax sites, but no one could ever back it up with any FACTS. It's all speculation. Sony has its own servers...do a WhoIs check of any Sony-owned domain and you will see that for yourself. If they did create any hoax site, they'd have no need to pay for hosting from another company, because they own their own servers. Anonymity? No, sorry, but they can privately register their domain regardless of hosting, so again, no need for hosting anywhere outside of their own servers. And guess what, the original hoax site(s) were C-R-A-P, full of errors and always going down. If Sony wanted to push hoax theories, I think they'd create better websites with which to do it.

2. The original hoax site....michaeljacksonhoaxdeath.com...was owned by Amy S. And when that domain was first registered, it was NOT a private registration. It showed her name and her address in Australia, and showed registered as June 25. Someone earlier described pretty accurately what happened with the multiple closings of that site and its reincarnations. I posted on the original hoax site for a little while as "JustTina," in a wasted effort to offer evidence to refute the hoax. So I am aware of much of what happened there. The site is now owned (allegedly) by other people and is located at http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxdeath.net/forum/

3. MJKit was meant only to be a "backup" site but was run by other people. That site closed (but is still visible) to be opened in a new format. It's now located at: http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com

4. Why would someone create a hoax site on June 25? Are they an MJ "hater?" Maybe. Or maybe a better word would be: opportunist (and I don't mean that in a complimentary sort of way). Does anyone realize how many michael jackson death-related domains were registered on or after June 25? It was a LOT! They have words in them like "death" "funeral" "autopsy" and so on. Do some Googling and see for yourself. It's mind-boggling. And why did they do it? Easy: to make money or to generate traffic...that would ultimately generate income. They don't have to hate MJ to open a website. Some probably do, or are just completely apathetic, but haters don't corner the market on making money off of MJ.

5. Calling hoax-believers "sick" or "disrespectful" is not really right, IMHO. Yeah, there ARE some sick folks among them. But guess what? There are sick folks who don't believe in the hoax too. Just because they believe MJ is alive doesn't make them sick--in denial, sure, a normal (allbeit extreme) part of the natural stages of grief, but not necessarily "sick." And to say that they are disrespecting MJ's legacy and/or his family or anything else? Well, um, there are plenty of people out there who think that the murder/conspiracy believers are just as "disrespectful." I have read AWFUL, DEPLORABLE comments online from people, aimed at anyone who believes MJ's death was anything but a tragic accident. Are they right? I don't think so. No matter what the truth is about MJ's death, any one person's belief is not "sick" or "disrespectful" as long as they have love for MJ at the heart of it.

6. To say anyone is not a fan just because they believe something that you don't, smacks of hubris just a bit. Who gets to define what a Michael Jackson fan is? Is there some doctrine somewhere on that I have missed somehow? We don't have to agree with anyone else's thoughts on Michael's death, but that doesn't give any one of us the right to say someone else is not a fan, simply because they believe differently than we do. My friend, the hoax-believer, knows far more about MJ than I ever will...has every bit of music, dvd, book, you name it in her collection (you can't even call what I have a "collection.") She LOVES him. Period. And while I do question her judgment on MJ's death, I have never ever questioned her love for him, nor will I. If that girl is not one of his biggest fans, then no one is.

7. The info on the screenshot from Google about the original hoax site, that came from a blogger who took it upon him (or her) self to dog and trash Amy, because they believe she only created the hoax site to make money. That blogger really, REALLY does not like Amy and uses very rough language, so if you want to check out their site, you are forewarned: http://www.mjhdconspiracy.blogspot.com/ I like that blogger though. He's seriously harsh and abrasive (if it's a he, not sure!), but he has been calling out Amy (and now the other hoax sites)almost from the beginning. And to my knowledge, he is the one who got the original Google screenshot, etc. Dig into the older posts there and you will find all that. Head's up though: that blogger DOES believe MJ is alive. He just doesn't buy into the B*llsh*t that most of them come up with as "clues" to the hoax.

Finally, I will say what pains me every time I have to say it: I believe that Michael Jackson is dead. I believe that the most likely cause of death was murder, and I am just waiting now and hoping for justice for a death that should never have happened. But I respect any fan who believes MJ is still alive, and I fully believe that just as I have a right to believe MJ was likely murdered, so do they have the right to question and investigate.

That was well said. Thank you.

Asedora- I can honestly feel your zeal for Michael's Justice and I know you mean well. I actually appreciate your questioning of the Hoax theory that I and many others have spent massive amount of time investigating over these last couple of months. Your questions kind of opened up another avenue for my train of thought...I mean, yeah you do make sense, it could really be a big deity or a powerful coporation trying to divert our attention and wasting valuable time... but you haven't really given me any solid or factual proof to think otherwise. Believe me, if you could somehow PROVE to me that someone with an agenda is behind these hoax theories then I'd drop this theory like a hot sack of potatoes because obviously it consumes alot of time, of which I don't have, to connect the dots to this theory.

So, I'm still waiting for the Sony and Hoax site/theory connection you claimed...really.

And please remember, you're not the only one who's here for Michael and his Justice. I think its really out of line when people start to question others fandom on here, especially in the IU where we fans sacrifice a massive amount of our time investigating all areas concerning Michael's suspicious death and by all areas I mean a section of fans here investigating the conspired murder against Michael, another section there investigating the possible hoaxed death, bottomline we are gathering all the info we can inorder to FIGURE out exactly what happened to Michael on 6/25.

And believe it or not, many of us fans who are here in the IU investigating the grim circumstances of Michael's passing aren't allowing ourselves to be misled by the media or whoever wishes to mislead us...IF that were the case we would be in the This is It sub-forum discussion having the time of our lives in lala-land or the News and Happening thread hanging onto every word provided by the media outlets. Where everything is seen as simply Black and White issues.

Many of us crossover to many other theories in the IU and have a healthy discussion where people are free to refute a particular claim or support it with logical proof/evidence. We're all here to help each other, which is not what you did when you entered the Hoax theory thread and wreaked pure havoc in there by insulting and accusing other fans of stupidity and the supporting of malice against Michael.

Kinda like that saying "united we stand, divided we fall"...How are we supposed to get anywhere in finding the truth of what happened to Michael, when all we do is Bicker and Bicker for nothing, which is another distraction all by itself?

So if you really want to do whats right, start with yourself

(Sorry if I'm all over the place in the post I'm trying to post fast, make sense and get back to my homework all at the same time, so sorry for the jungle of a mess organization-wise in this post)

 

[Dangerous Incorporated]

T

So, I'm still waiting for the Sony and Hoax theory you claimed...really.

And believe it or not, many of us fans who are here in the IU investigating the grim circumstances of Michael's passing aren't allowing ourselves to be misled by the media or whoever wishes to mislead us...IF that were the case we would be in the This is It sub-forum discussion having the time of our lives in lala-land or the News and Happening thread hanging onto every word provided by the media outlets. Where everything is seen as simply Black and White issues.

unk:I laughed when I read this paragraph but its so accurate though.:clapping:

 

[Gaiaschild]

this screen came from this hoax site. I don't know if this "june 23" is true. Always when I check out mjhd in "who is", it shows "june 25"
here is link:
http://whois.domaintools.com/michaeljacksonhoaxdeath.com

and when i've searched this site in google to compare results (in september), I've never seen this "june 23". Maybe this person made this screen earlier, when was posibility to find this "google cache". I don't know how it works.

I know that someone from hoax site made this screen and showed it to other members and they all started asking Amy S. (owner) what does it mean. After this, mjhd was unavailable for few hours and when site back again, Amy showed them "proof", that this site was made on june 25 (I don't remember what is was). They don't belived her and were suspiciuos untill the end. Many people don't believed that mjhd was created by regular fan. And it wasn't like they all belived that it was for "hoax death" reason (by MJ or someone close to him). Big part of these people thought that mjdh was started by Sony. They atacked this person, asked what was the reason of created this site before Michael's death and why she told them that she live in Australia and domain was registered in Scottsdale, Arizona. Finally she told them that she want to close this site. She sold this site and this person, who bought it, did "redirection" to other "hoax site" (made few months earlier by ex members of mjhd) :
http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/index.php

Thanks for this information shamone, interesting

 

[Gaiaschild]

Yes it was..



^ thanks for this post btw.

Asedora you said you had proof of the link to Sony, I keep asking you for it but you haven't shown me.. so I can't accept thats true until I see it for myself. Otherwise I just assume it is a fan or hater.

I heard rumours too that it was linked to Sony, of course it could be just rumours, but at the same time it is difficult to know either way for certain. I doubt it would be possible to prove as they would use a false name anyway. I feel there is something not quite right about some of the hoax sites as if they some of them are set up as a distraction, anyone who seriously researches MJ death can see he did not hoax his death.

There is a lot of inaccurate info on that hoax site like they say proof that he is alive because his will was made on 7/7 2007, but Michael will was made on 7/7/2002 so they get really basic stuff they should know wrong.

I'm not really surprised though at the hoax death stuff, some people still believe Elvis is alive

 

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There is a lot of inaccurate info on that hoax site like they say proof that he is alive because his will was made on 7/7 2007, but Michael will was made on 7/7/2002 so they get really basic stuff they should know wrong.

Whaaat? Maybe that was a typo.. or you're visiting an uninformed site. I don't visit hoax sites, I have visited one in the past via a link on here. I have watched videos online.. mostly by mjfanforeverandaday, again I was directed there by someone on mjjc. I've not seen errors like that about well documented things. In fact people say the Will is not real because it was signed on 7/7/2002 in Los Angeles when Michael was actually in New York.

Ok, I just wanna add a few things. And I'll preface this by saying (something I have noted before) that I have a good friend who LOVES Michael and IS a fan (not "sick", as suggested) and does believe very much in the hoax. I have tried for many months to convince her otherwise, but I've not been successful...YET. She has shared many things with me that she discovers on the hoax sites (most of which I've seen surfacing in the IU the last week or two)...because she is also always trying to convince ME that MJ is not dead. It's an exhausting tug of war between us, but I respect her, and she respects me, and so we simply agree to disagree. But to my points...

1. There is no proof of any connection between any of the hoax sites to Sony. This was suggested on some of the hoax sites, but no one could ever back it up with any FACTS. It's all speculation. Sony has its own servers...do a WhoIs check of any Sony-owned domain and you will see that for yourself. If they did create any hoax site, they'd have no need to pay for hosting from another company, because they own their own servers. Anonymity? No, sorry, but they can privately register their domain regardless of hosting, so again, no need for hosting anywhere outside of their own servers. And guess what, the original hoax site(s) were C-R-A-P, full of errors and always going down. If Sony wanted to push hoax theories, I think they'd create better websites with which to do it.

2. The original hoax site....michaeljacksonhoaxdeath.com...was owned by Amy S. And when that domain was first registered, it was NOT a private registration. It showed her name and her address in Australia, and showed registered as June 25. Someone earlier described pretty accurately what happened with the multiple closings of that site and its reincarnations. I posted on the original hoax site for a little while as "JustTina," in a wasted effort to offer evidence to refute the hoax. So I am aware of much of what happened there. The site is now owned (allegedly) by other people and is located at http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxdeath.net/forum/

3. MJKit was meant only to be a "backup" site but was run by other people. That site closed (but is still visible) to be opened in a new format. It's now located at: http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com

4. Why would someone create a hoax site on June 25? Are they an MJ "hater?" Maybe. Or maybe a better word would be: opportunist (and I don't mean that in a complimentary sort of way). Does anyone realize how many michael jackson death-related domains were registered on or after June 25? It was a LOT! They have words in them like "death" "funeral" "autopsy" and so on. Do some Googling and see for yourself. It's mind-boggling. And why did they do it? Easy: to make money or to generate traffic...that would ultimately generate income. They don't have to hate MJ to open a website. Some probably do, or are just completely apathetic, but haters don't corner the market on making money off of MJ.

5. Calling hoax-believers "sick" or "disrespectful" is not really right, IMHO. Yeah, there ARE some sick folks among them. But guess what? There are sick folks who don't believe in the hoax too. Just because they believe MJ is alive doesn't make them sick--in denial, sure, a normal (allbeit extreme) part of the natural stages of grief, but not necessarily "sick." And to say that they are disrespecting MJ's legacy and/or his family or anything else? Well, um, there are plenty of people out there who think that the murder/conspiracy believers are just as "disrespectful." I have read AWFUL, DEPLORABLE comments online from people, aimed at anyone who believes MJ's death was anything but a tragic accident. Are they right? I don't think so. No matter what the truth is about MJ's death, any one person's belief is not "sick" or "disrespectful" as long as they have love for MJ at the heart of it.

6. To say anyone is not a fan just because they believe something that you don't, smacks of hubris just a bit. Who gets to define what a Michael Jackson fan is? Is there some doctrine somewhere on that I have missed somehow? We don't have to agree with anyone else's thoughts on Michael's death, but that doesn't give any one of us the right to say someone else is not a fan, simply because they believe differently than we do. My friend, the hoax-believer, knows far more about MJ than I ever will...has every bit of music, dvd, book, you name it in her collection (you can't even call what I have a "collection.") She LOVES him. Period. And while I do question her judgment on MJ's death, I have never ever questioned her love for him, nor will I. If that girl is not one of his biggest fans, then no one is.

7. The info on the screenshot from Google about the original hoax site, that came from a blogger who took it upon him (or her) self to dog and trash Amy, because they believe she only created the hoax site to make money. That blogger really, REALLY does not like Amy and uses very rough language, so if you want to check out their site, you are forewarned: http://www.mjhdconspiracy.blogspot.com/ I like that blogger though. He's seriously harsh and abrasive (if it's a he, not sure!), but he has been calling out Amy (and now the other hoax sites)almost from the beginning. And to my knowledge, he is the one who got the original Google screenshot, etc. Dig into the older posts there and you will find all that. Head's up though: that blogger DOES believe MJ is alive. He just doesn't buy into the B*llsh*t that most of them come up with as "clues" to the hoax.

Finally, I will say what pains me every time I have to say it: I believe that Michael Jackson is dead. I believe that the most likely cause of death was murder, and I am just waiting now and hoping for justice for a death that should never have happened. But I respect any fan who believes MJ is still alive, and I fully believe that just as I have a right to believe MJ was likely murdered, so do they have the right to question and investigate.

Absolute fantastic post! Yes, there is much disrespect to Michael's family on this board which is nothing to do with any 'hoax'.

That was well said. Thank you.


That was well said. Thank you.

Asedora- I can honestly feel your zeal for Michael's Justice and I know you mean well. I actually appreciate your questioning of the Hoax theory that I and many others have spent massive amount of time investigating over these last couple of months. Your questions kind of opened up another avenue for my train of thought...I mean, yeah you do make sense, it could really be a big deity or a powerful coporation trying to divert our attention and wasting valuable time... but you haven't really given me any solid or factual proof to think otherwise. Believe me, if you could somehow PROVE to me that someone with an agenda is behind these hoax theories then I'd drop this theory like a hot sack of potatoes because obviously it consumes alot of time, of which I don't have, to connect the dots to this theory.

So, I'm still waiting for the Sony and Hoax site/theory connection you claimed...really.

And please remember, you're not the only one who's here for Michael and his Justice. I think its really out of line when people start to question others fandom on here, especially in the IU where we fans sacrifice a massive amount of our time investigating all areas concerning Michael's suspicious death and by all areas I mean a section of fans here investigating the conspired murder against Michael, another section there investigating the possible hoaxed death, bottomline we are gathering all the info we can inorder to FIGURE out exactly what happened to Michael on 6/25.

And believe it or not, many of us fans who are here in the IU investigating the grim circumstances of Michael's passing aren't allowing ourselves to be misled by the media or whoever wishes to mislead us...IF that were the case we would be in the This is It sub-forum discussion having the time of our lives in lala-land or the News and Happening thread hanging onto every word provided by the media outlets. Where everything is seen as simply Black and White issues.

Many of us crossover to many other theories in the IU and have a healthy discussion where people are free to refute a particular claim or support it with logical proof/evidence. We're all here to help each other, which is not what you did when you entered the Hoax theory thread and wreaked pure havoc in there by insulting and accusing other fans of stupidity and the supporting of malice against Michael.

Kinda like that saying "united we stand, divided we fall"...How are we supposed to get anywhere in finding the truth of what happened to Michael, when all we do is Bicker and Bicker for nothing, which is another distraction all by itself?

So if you really want to do whats right, start with yourself

(Sorry if I'm all over the place in the post I'm trying to post fast, make sense and get back to my homework all at the same time, so sorry for the jungle of a mess organization-wise in this post)

Great post too.

Asedora - the 'hoax' thread on here is not filled with 'hoax believers' and its intention is not to prove a hoax. It is a place people come to post or view inconsistencies and oddities etc. I've only seen like 3 people on this forum who actually believe Michael is alive. All of us here care for Michael, and none of us want to disrespect him, we just are pointing things out which we see as odd.