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Was Michael Jackson really murdered? Who did it? Let's talk about it

Teddy Riley interview
http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,26257469-12377,00.html

Net 'closing in on Jackson murderer'

MICHAEL Jackson was murdered and his killer will be caught soon, one of his closest friends in showbusiness says.

Teddy Riley, co-producer of Jackson's multi-platinum Dangerous album and founding member of R&B band Blackstreet, says he and Jackson's family are confident they know who the pop artist's killer is and that they will be caught soon.

Blackstreet are in Australia as VIP guests for Wednesday's world premiere of the film about Jackson's life, This Is It.

Asked if Jackson was murdered, Riley told AAP: "I said that the first day. "I called the family and I said listen, 'He was murdered'.

"Somebody didn't like something he said or something he's doing or didn't want him to go to the top so they had to get rid of him."

Riley worked extensively with Jackson over the last 18 years and counted himself a close personal friend.

Blackstreet co-founder Chauncey Hannibal agrees the singer was murdered.

Jackson's family have accused those close to the singer of murdering him and the Los Angeles County coroner has ruled Jackson's death was a homicide caused primarily by Propofol and another sedative.

Riley and Hannibal saw Jackson two days before he died on June 26, in rehearsal for his planned comeback sell-out tour in London.

Riley said Jackson was in "great health" just prior to his death but admitted he did suffer some pain because of his skin.

Asked who killed the singer, Riley replied: "You're going to find out.

"We've got so many people we think it could be. It's going to come out.

"He was doing so great at his rehearsals. I was over at the studio two days before ... two days later he was gone.

"He was in great health. Only thing that bothered him is he gets in pain. When he works hard, he gets home, he's in pain because of his skin. Other than that he was in great shape."

Riley said no current artist would ever enjoy the iconic status achieved by Jackson. "(His death) has definitely affected us really badly, our whole family, we still think he's here, people think Elvis still lives, well Michael Jackson lives on in a lot of people's hearts."

Blackstreet are playing a two date mini tour of Australia in December.

They will be at Sydney Olympic Park Sports Centre on December 4 and The Forum, Melbourne on December 6.

It is the first time the band has played in Australia and is likely to feature some Jackson tribute material.


Teddy Riley doing damage control :

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Riley sounds like he is back-peddling there. Teddy makes comment about clearing his own name?

He also talked about Michael in present tense for a little bit before specifically mentioning "back then".

He claims MJ was paranoid? He was murdered! Doesnt sound like paranoia when it comes true right?

Who is Riley always looking at off camera?
 
Dangerous Incorporated said:
Riley sounds like he is back-peddling there. Teddy makes comment about clearing his own name?

He also talked about Michael in present tense for a little bit before specifically mentioning "back then".

He claims MJ was paranoid? He was murdered! Doesnt sound like paranoia when it comes true right?

Who is Riley always looking at off camera?
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I thought Riley was pressured to do that interview - my guess is it was Branca & co. They actually made it worse, the story was just in the NE, having Riley do the interview just made them more suspicious IMO.
 
Hes hiding / covering up evidence, waits 2.5 hrs to call 911, reportedly does cpr on someone with weak pulse (thats not when you do cpr) ... all this sounds like no accident to me whatesoever.


Could motive be: not money, but just that its Michael Jackson (??)
 
Dangerous Incorporated said:
Riley sounds like he is back-peddling there. Teddy makes comment about clearing his own name?

He also talked about Michael in present tense for a little bit before specifically mentioning "back then".

He claims MJ was paranoid? He was murdered! Doesnt sound like paranoia when it comes true right?

Who is Riley always looking at off camera?
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When he said Michael was paranoid, I really think he meant just that.

I think when he said Michael was paranoid, Michael was paranoid because he knew someone was out to get him.

But Paranoia isn't only a psychotic disorder. There are two different meanings to it. Here is the second meaning (that is not a disorder), and I think it is what Riley meant.

2.Extreme, irrational distrust of others / baseless or excessive suspicion of the motives of others


If I were Michael, I would definately be paranoid in that sense!
 
kasume said:
When he said Michael was paranoid, I really think he meant just that.

I think when he said Michael was paranoid, Michael was paranoid because he knew someone was out to get him.

But Paranoia isn't only a psychotic disorder. There are two different meanings to it. Here is the second meaning (that is not a disorder), and I think it is what Riley meant.

2.Extreme, irrational distrust of others / baseless or excessive suspicion of the motives of others


If I were Michael, I would definately be paranoid in that sense!
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Yes Michael's paranoia was in fact rational due to his experiences whereas the medical term for it is used to describe irrational paranoia, a paranoia for no reason
 
We do not even talk about paranoia when there is a true threatening or unusual behavior of ppl around... a rational reason.
 
Interesting discussion on Karen's FB re Thome, AEG/SONY, Colony, conspiracy. In case you didn't know, now everybody there shares the view of this IU.
Interesting point raised by fans re raising money for justice. Go there and read. This is what needs to be done. I read a fan comment somewhere that moved me: if all the fans (millions) would gather together in one place and pray, the tremendous, unprecedented amount of love will be able to bring him back.
 
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^^ Ive seen that and a fan-movement is exactly what is needed as fans have come up with a lot of information that I doubt is being seriously looked at.
 
Could Michael / Murray, been set up? Do you think that possibly Dr. Murray was told to do this? : mind you, this is what I hear in the state I am in ; the news have said that this whole murder could even be a conspiracy, set up, planned etc. LAPD did not like Michael for whatever reason, so they got a hold of Murray.

I know it sounds bizarre but this is all what I am reading.
 
Dangerous Incorporated said:
^^ Ive seen that and a fan-movement is exactly what is needed as fans have come up with a lot of information that I doubt is being seriously looked at.
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That's why we need powerful allies in this.
Our strength is in our numbers and all the evidence that we are gathering, but we need voices on our side that can be heard loud and clear so that everyone involved in this murder can not afford to ignore them.
 
For me...the whole issue started when I started to worry that Michael is sick. I just have to mention how thin he was even before the concerts started. It was just so obvious, eventhough everybody were saying that he is in a perfect shape. Idk. I still don"t know what the truth is. Could or could he not do all 50 shows, we will never know.I just can"t get over it, and never will. I am sad and angry beyond words.
Also, I heard on my TV that Arnold Klein is also a suspect. He was providing illegal drugs to Michael, together with Murray.
I am so negative and desperate and I am so affraid that we won"t know the truth.....or the files will be sealed for years and years, like they did with Kennedy and M.Monroe....omg.
 
zpredra5 said:
For me...the whole issue started when I started to worry that Michael is sick. I just have to mention how thin he was even before the concerts started. It was just so obvious, eventhough everybody were saying that he is in a perfect shape. Idk. I still don"t know what the truth is. Could or could he not do all 50 shows, we will never know.I just can"t get over it, and never will. I am sad and angry beyond words.
Also, I heard on my TV that Arnold Klein is also a suspect. He was providing illegal drugs to Michael, together with Murray.
I am so negative and desperate and I am so affraid that we won"t know the truth.....or the files will be sealed for years and years, like they did with Kennedy and M.Monroe....omg.
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Back in the thriller and bad era, Michael was still as thin. It's his body, he has a dancer's body. And also, men are usually the most muscular and broad during their 30s or 40s.

Wasn't their no illegal drugs found in Michael's system through the autopsy. If their was, I think that info would have been out. Boy, who would want to hide that.....

and lastly, all i have to say it, we must keep the faith.
 
kasume said:
Wasn't their no illegal drugs found in Michael's system through the autopsy. If their was, I think that info would have been out. Boy, who would want to hide that.....
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The only thing in Michael's system was the propofol that killed him that was given to him by Murray. There was nothing else.
 
Dangerous Incorporated said:
The only thing in Michael's system was the propofol that killed him that was given to him by Murray. There was nothing else.
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There were other things in Michaels system (but not demeral as was widely ciruculated by the media that Michael was addicted too, and obviously not true) ephedrine, was found in his system which proves he was murdered. Ephedrine side effects are weight loss and insomnia, Michael said himself that he would lose weight during rehearsals for concerts, and he also had insomnia in the past so why on earth would he take a substance that would give these side effects.

I don't believe he did choose to take something that would give him these problems. I beieve it was given to him unknowingly to cause him these problems which may then have caused him anxiety and it was possibly to persuade him to take medications for the insomnia it caused. BINGO very clever.
 
Michael Jackson's death is very like Elvis Presley's death and Elvis's Dr. Nick never went to prison.
Dr. Murray is like the new Dr. Nick and no doubt in 20 or 30 years time if Murray is still alive he will write a book about being MJ's doctor.
Back in 1977 they thought Elvis's death might put an end to Dr. Feelgoods in America but it didn't.
I think America needs a proper NHS.

Was MJ murdered? yes I believe he was like with Elvis he was worth more dead than alive.
 
I'm bringing this up here, I already brought it up in the thread about the autopsy. It was brought up a month or two ago in Kleins interview with TMZ, that Michael "liked to pee" in random places, like jars. It's TOO much of a coincidence that they happened to find a jar of pee next to where Michael was. Didn't Murray place a call to Klein? The tapes from the house were missing, maybe they caught Klein there at some part of the day? There were meds prescribed by Klein found in the room. Another theory to me could be there was a condom catheter, it could have easily been Michaels urine, Murray just hadn't thrown it in the toilet, but emptied a bag in the jar. But a bag wouldn't fill up that fast if Michael had still been awake three-four hours prior. I dunno....Klein is just throwing up too many red flags for me.
 
so now that the coronors report have been made public..I find the first discrepancy in Witness statement...who we all know Murray is the witness....ok.....he tells the detective that he was doing cpr on the bedroom floor...when in the 911 call we CLEARLY hear the person call say.."he is on the bed"....Murray only moves him to the floor after being told by the 911 operator to do so....So..this the first lie in this report and the report just began...So far we have Murray lying from the very beginning of this report..
 
xthunderx2 said:
so now that the coronors report have been made public..I find the first discrepancy in Witness statement...who we all know Murray is the witness....ok.....he tells the detective that he was doing cpr on the bedroom floor...when in the 911 call we CLEARLY hear the person call say.."he is on the bed"....Murray only moves him to the floor after being told by the 911 operator to do so....So..this the first lie in this report and the report just began...So far we have Murray lying from the very beginning of this report..
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Also, the beads that were on the bed made a mark on the body, as shown by the autopsy (it's in there somewhere, still haven't had the time to carefully read it), which shows that he died on the bed :(

It also proves, imo, that the picture that we discussed about, the deathbed pic, is real. It is consistent with what is described in the beginning of the autopsy report.
 
I was in the middle of cooking dinner, doing Valentines for my sons class and reading the report, so someone correct me if I'm wrong. But it did say he was on the bed and that he was not in his bedroom. It was reported early on that it was a room that Murray would stay in at times, I guess when he wasn't with one of the girlfriends.
Popescu said:
Also, the beads that were on the bed made a mark on the body, as shown by the autopsy (it's in there somewhere, still haven't had the time to carefully read it), which shows that he died on the bed :(

It also proves, imo, that the picture that we discussed about, the deathbed pic, is real. It is consistent with what is described in the beginning of the autopsy report.
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ElleBella said:
I was in the middle of cooking dinner, doing Valentines for my sons class and reading the report, so someone correct me if I'm wrong. But it did say he was on the bed and that he was not in his bedroom. It was reported early on that it was a room that Murray would stay in at times, I guess when he wasn't with one of the girlfriends.
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Ok, found it, page 13, "Over the lower back are several 1/4-1/2 inch perimortem abrasions. (Comment : Scene photographs show beads on the bed)."

And yes, the report states that it was not his bedroom, but it's still consistent with the picture from news of the world.
 
"What are the differences between antemortem, perimortem, and postmortem?

All three terms refer to time periods:

Antemortem is before death
Perimortem is at or around the time of death
Postmortem is after death"

http://www.answerbag.com/q_view/14922
 
I just want to throw this out there, as I have thought about it A LOT!

I believe corruption may have helped write the coroner report! I would love to get my hands on the private autopsy the Jackson's had done!
Does anyone know if that would have included another toxicology report?
 
EarthSong100 said:
Michael Jackson's death is very like Elvis Presley's death and Elvis's Dr. Nick never went to prison.
Dr. Murray is like the new Dr. Nick and no doubt in 20 or 30 years time if Murray is still alive he will write a book about being MJ's doctor.
Back in 1977 they thought Elvis's death might put an end to Dr. Feelgoods in America but it didn't.
I think America needs a proper NHS.

Was MJ murdered? yes I believe he was like with Elvis he was worth more dead than alive.
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Elvis was killed to "they" want us to think dude killed him self I really don't want to get into it right now I don't want to shake up this thread like I said the music industry is dark and horriable
 
Gaiaschild said:
There were other things in Michaels system (but not demeral as was widely ciruculated by the media that Michael was addicted too, and obviously not true) ephedrine, was found in his system which proves he was murdered. Ephedrine side effects are weight loss and insomnia, Michael said himself that he would lose weight during rehearsals for concerts, and he also had insomnia in the past so why on earth would he take a substance that would give these side effects.

I don't believe he did choose to take something that would give him these problems. I beieve it was given to him unknowingly to cause him these problems which may then have caused him anxiety and it was possibly to persuade him to take medications for the insomnia it caused. BINGO very clever.
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I can think of no reason why he would knowingly take this drug. I also think the bottles of ephedra were left around to make it look like he was taking the drug voluntarily, knowing it would be found in the tox-report. I do think the scene was "staged," including the used bottles of propofol. Someone just poured them down the sink? The autopsy report showed a massive bolus of propofol, but I didn't read about ANY sign of long-term or recent use except for that. Certainly, he was not "begging for it" for six weeks. That was an outright LIE. A cover-story. I think Michael was executed. Deliberately. That is my opinion.
 
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