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Inconsistencies in the autopsy report

- Page 1 states the body’s face is unshaven. Page 8 states that “a mustache and beard are absent.”

- The body was in a hospital gown. Why would they stop resuscitative efforts to change his clothes into a hospital gown ? Everyone very much doubts he wasn’t wearing any bottoms or undies when he was put under. And he would obviously not be wearing a hospital gown either originally.

- The report states his teeth are all natural. Then, they however proceed to describe ceramic and metallic alteration/restoration and endosseal implants which is a metal wire implanted to support an ARTIFICIAL tooth.

- The report states MJ was not found in his usual bedroom, down the hall, but in another one, on top of the stairs. Reports from Murray’s lawyer and other sources are inconsistent when it comes to where MJ was found.

- The report claims MJ’s body was identified using his driver’s license. It would state Michael JOE Jackson. Also, the paramedics claimed that he looked so unlike himself that they took a while recognising him. There is no mention of LaToya IDing the body.

- The coroner staff took hair samples for toxicology in August, after 2 autopsies were already completed. —> Why ? As hair provides a more accurate timeline of all drug use across the course of the hair’s growth (stringent drug tests use hair rather than urine), one would think it would be habitual and almost mandatory to take hair samples in toxicology cases.

- The toxicology screen did not find the Flumazenil administered by Murray. However, they found it in the IV system and a 10cc syringe, along with the Propofol and Lidocaine. There were no drugs found in the upper portion of the IV tubing or in the IV bag. –> was Murray re-using needles ? How much Propofol did he inject into the IV bolus ? Why was the fluid in the syringe white, while the fluid in the IV was yellow, though they both contained the same drugs and the IV fluid was clear ?

- The toxicology screen did not find the epinephrine or atropine said to be administered by paramedics during resuscitative efforts.

- The toxicology screen did find ephedrine, but there is no report of where or how it was administered. It was found only in his urine, which would mean that it had enough time to be filtered by the liver.

- The autopsy report states that Murray found MJ not breathing at around noon. —> The search warrant timeline claims that Murray found him at around 10.52 AM. Weird considering that that specific info was most likely given to the coroner by detectives on the case.

- The report states that MJ called Murray to his house at 1AM and MJ slept several hours at his side –> The search warrant indicates that Murray kept administering all those drugs because MJ could NOT fall asleep.

- Somehow, Murray managed to perform CPR with enough force to fracture ribs but there was no recorded bruise on MJ’s back which should have been present had he put his hand at his back to “harden” the surface, as stated by his legal team. Also, the report states Murray performed CPR on the ground when it was clear it was performed on a bed (the 911 dispatcher orders Alvarez to put MJ on the ground, yet Alvarez never relays the info to the doctor). This is a key element to proving Murray’s gross negligence and incompetence as CPR is a basic for any doctor, especially a cardiologist.

Oh God, he’s taking Propofol… Or is he ?

- The report indicates the presence of benzodiazepines, which are a contributory factor the death, as mixing Propofol with benzos is deadly. It takes exactly 15 seconds for any simpleton to find that info on the Internet – do a Wikipedia search on Propofol, they clearly state that Propofol and benzos should never be mixed together. Hard to believe Murray would be THAT stupid and ignorant on that clear contraindication.
I’m also finding it hard to believe that they would rule that death as an “acute Propofol intoxication”. I searched precedents of drug abuse and found some cases : all of them were results of a self-administered injection which too rapid and then, not monitored leading to cardiac arrest. All those deaths were declared as such – no technical overdose on the product. Also, several doctors have come out saying that the dosage was standard, some even going as far as saying that it was not sufficient to put him efficiently to sleep for a sufficient period of time.

- The report states that Propofol was found in stomach contents. How is that even possible ?
Propofol is an intravenous drug EXCLUSIVELY. The only way for it to be found in the stomach would be that one had taken it orally, had drunk it. Obviously, there’s no doubt that MJ didn’t drink the substance. Now, say he had drunk the substance. It would still have to be metabolised, which can’t happen if he’s dead. There wouldn’t have been enough time anyway, according to the search warrant timeline, for that to happen.

- Speaking of some time confusions… The AR states that Murray was called by MJ at his house at 1AM ; the search warrant more or less corroborates that since it states that Murray gave MJ his first injections at 1.30 AM. However, fan testimonies from the This Is Not It website (as well as some other reports from MJ’s entourage) place MJ going out the Staples Centre at 1.30 AM. That means MJ would be home at around 2 in the morning (it takes around 30 minutes without circulation to go from the Staples Center to his Carolwood home) – say Murray gets there at the same time. At the earliest, MJ’s first injections would have taken place at 2.10-15 AM when everything was set up.
It would have taken for the police a simple interrogation of MJ’s entourage to clear that up.
Speaking of the timeline, the search warrant itself shows something extremely strange. It states that Murray found MJ not breathing at 10.52 AM yet also that Murray placed three calls between 11.18 and 12.05 AM… in the midst of the chaos, seriously ? Though Murray’s lawyer said the timeline was flawed and Murray found MJ unconscious at 11.50 something, he still placed those calls AFTERWARDS. And the police didn’t find that suspicious… even malicious ? With all this crucial info (the benzo mix, the CPR on the bed, the timeline contradictions), it would have taken since Murray’s interrogation + the autopsy report completion to book Murray. Seriously. The judge didn’t even prohibit him from practising medicine when all goes to prove he was negligent, incompetent and even malevolent (placing phone calls while MJ was dying).
 
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- The report indicates the presence of benzodiazepines, which are a contributory factor the death, as mixing Propofol with benzos is deadly. It takes exactly 15 seconds for any simpleton to find that info on the Internet – do a Wikipedia search on Propofol, they clearly state that Propofol and benzos should never be mixed together. Hard to believe Murray would be THAT stupid and ignorant on that clear contraindication.


Actually, Propofol is often given with benzos or mimetic morphine, such as fentanyl when it is used in major surgeries. It also requires intubation and ventilation, as every general anesthesia does.
 
re-re-reading the search warrant again, I'll get back to you on the calls. Sorry for mixing up your name!

Thing is, Murray ADMITTED he gave Propofol via IV drip, so buh-bye bolus theory. Page 12 of the search warrant.

we already talked about that , the coroner did say they tested the IV system and you can conclude that it was given via an IV bolus, the anethiologist also gave her opinion and said if it was given via an IV bolus only MJ would not have been able to do it to himself . Ofcourse Murray would claim it was given via an IV drip , because he plans to blame MJ for the fatal dose .

the long tube had no drugs , the short tube attached to the Y connector had propofol in it , so it will be how they are going to prove it was given via an bolus injections and not IV drip
 
According to Paramedics it took them 10 minutes to realise it was Mike, they said it looked like a frail old Asian man. Yet the the autopsy report states he was identified by his drivers licence. Well how the heck could you identify a frail old Asian man, with the photo on Mikes licence?
 
that was a complete lie that came from TMZ . The first thing they would have done was asking for his name , if we want to believe they did not recognize him themselves .
 
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Inconsistencies in the autopsy report

- Page 1 states the body’s face is unshaven. Page 8 states that “a mustache and beard are absent.”

- The body was in a hospital gown. Why would they stop resuscitative efforts to change his clothes into a hospital gown ? Everyone very much doubts he wasn’t wearing any bottoms or undies when he was put under. And he would obviously not be wearing a hospital gown either originally.

- The report states his teeth are all natural. Then, they however proceed to describe ceramic and metallic alteration/restoration and endosseal implants which is a metal wire implanted to support an ARTIFICIAL tooth.

- The report states MJ was not found in his usual bedroom, down the hall, but in another one, on top of the stairs. Reports from Murray’s lawyer and other sources are inconsistent when it comes to where MJ was found.

- The report claims MJ’s body was identified using his driver’s license. It would state Michael JOE Jackson. Also, the paramedics claimed that he looked so unlike himself that they took a while recognising him. There is no mention of LaToya IDing the body.

- The coroner staff took hair samples for toxicology in August, after 2 autopsies were already completed. —> Why ? As hair provides a more accurate timeline of all drug use across the course of the hair’s growth (stringent drug tests use hair rather than urine), one would think it would be habitual and almost mandatory to take hair samples in toxicology cases.

- The toxicology screen did not find the Flumazenil administered by Murray. However, they found it in the IV system and a 10cc syringe, along with the Propofol and Lidocaine. There were no drugs found in the upper portion of the IV tubing or in the IV bag. –> was Murray re-using needles ? How much Propofol did he inject into the IV bolus ? Why was the fluid in the syringe white, while the fluid in the IV was yellow, though they both contained the same drugs and the IV fluid was clear ?

- The toxicology screen did not find the epinephrine or atropine said to be administered by paramedics during resuscitative efforts.

- The toxicology screen did find ephedrine, but there is no report of where or how it was administered. It was found only in his urine, which would mean that it had enough time to be filtered by the liver.

- The autopsy report states that Murray found MJ not breathing at around noon. —> The search warrant timeline claims that Murray found him at around 10.52 AM. Weird considering that that specific info was most likely given to the coroner by detectives on the case.

- The report states that MJ called Murray to his house at 1AM and MJ slept several hours at his side –> The search warrant indicates that Murray kept administering all those drugs because MJ could NOT fall asleep.

- Somehow, Murray managed to perform CPR with enough force to fracture ribs but there was no recorded bruise on MJ’s back which should have been present had he put his hand at his back to “harden” the surface, as stated by his legal team. Also, the report states Murray performed CPR on the ground when it was clear it was performed on a bed (the 911 dispatcher orders Alvarez to put MJ on the ground, yet Alvarez never relays the info to the doctor). This is a key element to proving Murray’s gross negligence and incompetence as CPR is a basic for any doctor, especially a cardiologist.

Oh God, he’s taking Propofol… Or is he ?

- The report indicates the presence of benzodiazepines, which are a contributory factor the death, as mixing Propofol with benzos is deadly. It takes exactly 15 seconds for any simpleton to find that info on the Internet – do a Wikipedia search on Propofol, they clearly state that Propofol and benzos should never be mixed together. Hard to believe Murray would be THAT stupid and ignorant on that clear contraindication.
I’m also finding it hard to believe that they would rule that death as an “acute Propofol intoxication”. I searched precedents of drug abuse and found some cases : all of them were results of a self-administered injection which too rapid and then, not monitored leading to cardiac arrest. All those deaths were declared as such – no technical overdose on the product. Also, several doctors have come out saying that the dosage was standard, some even going as far as saying that it was not sufficient to put him efficiently to sleep for a sufficient period of time.

- The report states that Propofol was found in stomach contents. How is that even possible ?
Propofol is an intravenous drug EXCLUSIVELY. The only way for it to be found in the stomach would be that one had taken it orally, had drunk it. Obviously, there’s no doubt that MJ didn’t drink the substance. Now, say he had drunk the substance. It would still have to be metabolised, which can’t happen if he’s dead. There wouldn’t have been enough time anyway, according to the search warrant timeline, for that to happen.

- Speaking of some time confusions… The AR states that Murray was called by MJ at his house at 1AM ; the search warrant more or less corroborates that since it states that Murray gave MJ his first injections at 1.30 AM. However, fan testimonies from the This Is Not It website (as well as some other reports from MJ’s entourage) place MJ going out the Staples Centre at 1.30 AM. That means MJ would be home at around 2 in the morning (it takes around 30 minutes without circulation to go from the Staples Center to his Carolwood home) – say Murray gets there at the same time. At the earliest, MJ’s first injections would have taken place at 2.10-15 AM when everything was set up.
It would have taken for the police a simple interrogation of MJ’s entourage to clear that up.
Speaking of the timeline, the search warrant itself shows something extremely strange. It states that Murray found MJ not breathing at 10.52 AM yet also that Murray placed three calls between 11.18 and 12.05 AM… in the midst of the chaos, seriously ? Though Murray’s lawyer said the timeline was flawed and Murray found MJ unconscious at 11.50 something, he still placed those calls AFTERWARDS. And the police didn’t find that suspicious… even malicious ? With all this crucial info (the benzo mix, the CPR on the bed, the timeline contradictions), it would have taken since Murray’s interrogation + the autopsy report completion to book Murray. Seriously. The judge didn’t even prohibit him from practising medicine when all goes to prove he was negligent, incompetent and even malevolent (placing phone calls while MJ was dying).

Thanks for putting it all together; you bring up some important points. To me all of these inconsistencies show that the D.A's office just don't care. There is enough just based on what we know the charge Murray with Murder 2 or at least with involuntary manslaughter and trying to conceal evidence and such. I don't understand them. They don't seem intent on getting Justice done and it bothers me a lot, I mean why? Because It's Michael and they don't like him? I don't want to believe that and really hope it's not true. I so wish there was a way to contact someone there, a spokesperson that could answer questions from the media. If you know of a way to contact such a person please write it here. Maybe we could have some of our questions answered.
 
timeline according to media reports


At 11:18am he called his Las Vegas office for 32 minutes

at 11:49am he called another Las Vegas phone for 3 minutes (The answer machine message)

at 11:51am he phoned somebody in Houston for 11 minutes. (his GF)

at 12:05 pm he called MJ's assistant.

at 12: 21 pm paramedics were called
 
we already talked about that , the coroner did say they tested the IV system and you can conclude that it was given via an IV bolus, the anethiologist also gave her opinion and said if it was given via an IV bolus only MJ would not have been able to do it to himself . Ofcourse Murray would claim it was given via an IV drip , because he plans to blame MJ for the fatal dose .

the long tube had no drugs , the short tube attached to the Y connector had propofol in it , so it will be how they are going to prove it was given via an bolus injections and not IV drip

No, the anesthesiologist states that "if only bolus injections via a seringe were used, sleep would not have been maintained, due to the short action of Propofol".

Propofol is used in major surgeries via a bolus injection first, and then the sedation is maintained by an IV drip. It says that in the report also, bolus is used for induction, followed by continuous infusion.

She also states that "Someone with medical knowlege or experience would have started the I.V."

These conclusions are all on pages 30 and 31 of the report.

I can't seem to find the conclusion of the coroner about the IV tube, please point me to the page?
 
No, the anesthesiologist states that "if only bolus injections via a seringe were used, sleep would not have been maintained, due to the short action of Propofol".

Propofol is used in major surgeries via a bolus injection first, and then the sedation is maintained by an IV drip. It says that in the report also, bolus is used for induction, followed by continuous infusion.

She also states that "Someone with medical knowlege or experience would have started the I.V."

These conclusions are all on pages 30 and 31 of the report.

I can't seem to find the conclusion of the coroner about the IV tube, please point me to the page?

Popescu it´s also about the medical evidence report - on page 49 you have it stated that no propofol is detected in the longer IV tube nor in the IV bag, though it´s present in the shorter tube (13,5 cm) and syringe.
 
No, the anesthesiologist states that "if only bolus injections via a seringe were used, sleep would not have been maintained, due to the short action of Propofol".

Propofol is used in major surgeries via a bolus injection first, and then the sedation is maintained by an IV drip. It says that in the report also, bolus is used for induction, followed by continuous infusion.

She also states that "Someone with medical knowlege or experience would have started the I.V."

These conclusions are all on pages 30 and 31 of the report.

I can't seem to find the conclusion of the coroner about the IV tube, please point me to the page?

COULD THE DECEDENT HAVE GIVEN PROPOFOL TO HIMSELF ?

she was ansewring that question . If (as they believe) it was given only via bolus injections then MJ would have not been able to sleep AT ALL , due to the position he was in and where the IV was .

as for the IV system , read the Medical evidence analysis report , they tested the IV's and no propofol or any other drug was detected in the long tube attached to the bag or the bag , it was only detected in the short tube attached to the Y connector and propofol was detected in two syringes
 
COULD THE DECEDENT HAVE GIVEN PROPOFOL TO HIMSELF ?

she was ansewring that question . If (as they believe) it was given only via bolus injections then MJ would have not been able to sleep AT ALL , due to the position he was in and where the IV was .

as for the IV system , read the Medical evidence analysis report , they tested the IV's and no propofol or any other drug was detected in the long tube attached to the bag or the bag , it was only detected in the short tube attached to the Y connector and propofol was detected in two syringes

Yes, I found the tubes part, thank you Daisy! Soundmind, I'll get back to you on that one.

Thing is, massive amount of Propofol were found in Michael's system, ""similar to these found during major surgery, after bolus injection. ". Toothfairy? Multiple bolus injections?

The syringes have no relevance, one can inject the IV bag, as well as the shorter tube.
 
Yes, I found the tubes part, thank you Daisy! Soundmind, I'll get back to you on that one.

Thing is, massive amount of Propofol were found in Michael's system, ""similar to these found during major surgery, after bolus injection. ". Toothfairy? Multiple bolus injections?

The syringes have no relevance, one can inject the IV bag, as well as the shorter tube.

But was propofol detected in any IV bag?
 
you don't inject propofol into an IV bag , you either give it via bolus injection or infusion IV (drip).

The syringes have no relevance, one can inject the IV bag, as well as the shorter tube.

read above
 
you don't inject propofol in an IV bag , you either give it via bolus injection or infusion IV (drip).

Sorry, I meant the drip, english is not my native language.

No, Propofol was not detected in the IV bags, neither the longer tubes, so yes, you were right, the DA must think, or only have proof, that it was bolus injection. It's still inconsistent with the amount found in Michael's system.
 
It's still inconsistent with the amount found in Michael's system.
she made it clear in the previous page of her report that there's a firm line between a dose enough for sedation and a dose to induce general anesthesia that's why all the necessary equipments are required always whenever propofol is given .

the amounts in the urine are consistent with minutes , not hours of propofol , he probably gave him a RAPID injection and that's what caused his death .
 
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But was propofol detected in any IV bag?

This probably won't conclusively answer anything, but, Propofol comes in glass bottles with an access port for iv tubing. I've never seen Propofol given as boluses except when needed for a short "burst" of sedation or prior to the start of an iv drip of Propofol.

As an example, let's say my patient is about to be emergently intubated. Generally speaking I'll give an iv bolus of Propofol pulled from the bottle with a syringe while the doc is intubating, then "spike" the bottle with the iv tubing and let it flush the iv line down to the end which is then hooked to an indwelling iv port for a continuous infusion.

Now I'm only surmising because I don't completely get the whole picture of why the iv tubing attached to Michael did not have Propofol in it. Intermittent boluses of Propofol are so short acting, I just can't imagine why CM would have chosen that route, at least over several hours of time. Sounds like there was perhaps a regular iv running, like normal saline or something similar to maintain hydration as well as provide an avenue to give other meds, and Propofol drips can be piggybacked into a primary "plain" iv line/solution. Bottom line for me is what info we've been given is missing some important parts to explain things with certainty.

And I have to say this. I've been a Critical Care nurse since 1974. Remaining neutral and just reading things, I've never seen Beachlover give any medical info that isn't spot on in the medical milieu. We all come to our own conclusions with the interpretation of events, though. I don't post many times because my interpretation may or may not sit well with certain theories or beliefs at times, bottom line.
 
OKaaay. I think I did better during the 2005 trial when I prayed and prayed watched the lying news and didn't communicate with people because some things are so obvious.

Oh yeah, it is not about the terminology and technical terms its the constant defending. I can give technical terms to my field of employment also but I will not defend a murderer.

Now I am out.
 
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Now I'm only surmising because I don't completely get the whole picture of why the iv tubing attached to Michael did not have Propofol in it. Intermittent boluses of Propofol are so short acting, I just can't imagine why CM would have chosen that route, at least over several hours of time. Sounds like there was perhaps a regular iv running, like normal saline or something similar to maintain hydration as well as provide an avenue to give other meds, and Propofol drips can be piggybacked into a primary "plain" iv line/solution. Bottom line for me is what info we've been given is missing some important parts to explain things with certainty.

I am not 100% sure what you are suggesting here,
but the last thing that Michael got was propofol and it was not detected into the longer IV tube.
 
Now I'm only surmising because I don't completely get the whole picture of why the iv tubing attached to Michael did not have Propofol in it. Intermittent boluses of Propofol are so short acting, I just can't imagine why CM would have chosen that route, at least over several hours of time. Sounds like there was perhaps a regular iv running, like normal saline or something similar to maintain hydration as well as provide an avenue to give other meds, and Propofol drips can be piggybacked into a primary "plain" iv line/solution. Bottom line for me is what info we've been given is missing some important parts to explain things with certainty.

the urine concentration proves propofol was only used for minutes . We have to know the amounts he purchased and the hair analysis to figure out what was really going on .
 
Not sure what inconsistency you mean.

What I already said is that he was at the house for too long. They should have done basic ACLS immediately without delay. That part I understand; the not rushing out the door without giving those drugs first. Murray was a cardiologist and he knew to give them. The EMT's knew that too. They intubated him (got air to his lungs) which is VITAL. They gave the rescue drugs to get the heart beating.

When they had all this in place they should have left for the hospital. It should have taken 10 minutes or so, not 40. Maybe 15.

I am sure the EMT's know what happened at the scene and why there was a delay. We don't know that because we have never heard their side of the story here. Thats what I mean by we don't know everything.

This can incriminate Murray more than we know. I keep saying we don't have all the information because they don't want us to.

The interview with Murray at the police precinct was 3 hours. Do we know exactly what he said at that time? No. We only know what was on the search warrants. Not the whole conversation.

Again, I think the police know a lot more than we do. We are all being junior detectives but with limited information at our disposal.

This is why things can be so easily debated here. We don't have all the facts.
I gave up to follow all these SPECULATIONS and I don't REALLY understand, what's the use for it????
 
OKaaay. I think I did better during the 2005 trial when I prayed and prayed watched the lying news and didn't communicate with people because some things are so obvious.

Oh yeah, it is not about the terminology and technical terms its the constant defending. I can give technical terms to my field of employment also but I will not defend a murderer.

Now I am out.

Yeap, I'm out too.

For the record, what you're saying, bgz, does make sense to me, and it's clear that you know what you're talking about. I've thought about this too. And if that's helping Murray's defense, so be it. My guess is his defense is already very solid, and I would bet a large amount of money that he will WALK.

As for Beachlover, I think she/he/them will wait a couple of more pages, for what I posted on the previous page (88) to blow away and be forgotten. It's the second time this happens. Just my personal opinion though.

So... I'm out.
Carry on,
Maira.
 
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Inconsistencies in the autopsy report

- Page 1 states the body’s face is unshaven. Page 8 states that “a mustache and beard are absent.”

- The body was in a hospital gown. Why would they stop resuscitative efforts to change his clothes into a hospital gown ? Everyone very much doubts he wasn’t wearing any bottoms or undies when he was put under. And he would obviously not be wearing a hospital gown either originally.

- The report states his teeth are all natural. Then, they however proceed to describe ceramic and metallic alteration/restoration and endosseal implants which is a metal wire implanted to support an ARTIFICIAL tooth.

- The report states MJ was not found in his usual bedroom, down the hall, but in another one, on top of the stairs. Reports from Murray’s lawyer and other sources are inconsistent when it comes to where MJ was found.

- The report claims MJ’s body was identified using his driver’s license. It would state Michael JOE Jackson. Also, the paramedics claimed that he looked so unlike himself that they took a while recognising him. There is no mention of LaToya IDing the body.

- The coroner staff took hair samples for toxicology in August, after 2 autopsies were already completed. —> Why ? As hair provides a more accurate timeline of all drug use across the course of the hair’s growth (stringent drug tests use hair rather than urine), one would think it would be habitual and almost mandatory to take hair samples in toxicology cases.

- The toxicology screen did not find the Flumazenil administered by Murray. However, they found it in the IV system and a 10cc syringe, along with the Propofol and Lidocaine. There were no drugs found in the upper portion of the IV tubing or in the IV bag. –> was Murray re-using needles ? How much Propofol did he inject into the IV bolus ? Why was the fluid in the syringe white, while the fluid in the IV was yellow, though they both contained the same drugs and the IV fluid was clear ?

- The toxicology screen did not find the epinephrine or atropine said to be administered by paramedics during resuscitative efforts.

- The toxicology screen did find ephedrine, but there is no report of where or how it was administered. It was found only in his urine, which would mean that it had enough time to be filtered by the liver.

- The autopsy report states that Murray found MJ not breathing at around noon. —> The search warrant timeline claims that Murray found him at around 10.52 AM. Weird considering that that specific info was most likely given to the coroner by detectives on the case.

- The report states that MJ called Murray to his house at 1AM and MJ slept several hours at his side –> The search warrant indicates that Murray kept administering all those drugs because MJ could NOT fall asleep.

- Somehow, Murray managed to perform CPR with enough force to fracture ribs but there was no recorded bruise on MJ’s back which should have been present had he put his hand at his back to “harden” the surface, as stated by his legal team. Also, the report states Murray performed CPR on the ground when it was clear it was performed on a bed (the 911 dispatcher orders Alvarez to put MJ on the ground, yet Alvarez never relays the info to the doctor). This is a key element to proving Murray’s gross negligence and incompetence as CPR is a basic for any doctor, especially a cardiologist.

Oh God, he’s taking Propofol… Or is he ?

- The report indicates the presence of benzodiazepines, which are a contributory factor the death, as mixing Propofol with benzos is deadly. It takes exactly 15 seconds for any simpleton to find that info on the Internet – do a Wikipedia search on Propofol, they clearly state that Propofol and benzos should never be mixed together. Hard to believe Murray would be THAT stupid and ignorant on that clear contraindication.
I’m also finding it hard to believe that they would rule that death as an “acute Propofol intoxication”. I searched precedents of drug abuse and found some cases : all of them were results of a self-administered injection which too rapid and then, not monitored leading to cardiac arrest. All those deaths were declared as such – no technical overdose on the product. Also, several doctors have come out saying that the dosage was standard, some even going as far as saying that it was not sufficient to put him efficiently to sleep for a sufficient period of time.

- The report states that Propofol was found in stomach contents. How is that even possible ?
Propofol is an intravenous drug EXCLUSIVELY. The only way for it to be found in the stomach would be that one had taken it orally, had drunk it. Obviously, there’s no doubt that MJ didn’t drink the substance. Now, say he had drunk the substance. It would still have to be metabolised, which can’t happen if he’s dead. There wouldn’t have been enough time anyway, according to the search warrant timeline, for that to happen.

- Speaking of some time confusions… The AR states that Murray was called by MJ at his house at 1AM ; the search warrant more or less corroborates that since it states that Murray gave MJ his first injections at 1.30 AM. However, fan testimonies from the This Is Not It website (as well as some other reports from MJ’s entourage) place MJ going out the Staples Centre at 1.30 AM. That means MJ would be home at around 2 in the morning (it takes around 30 minutes without circulation to go from the Staples Center to his Carolwood home) – say Murray gets there at the same time. At the earliest, MJ’s first injections would have taken place at 2.10-15 AM when everything was set up.
It would have taken for the police a simple interrogation of MJ’s entourage to clear that up.
Speaking of the timeline, the search warrant itself shows something extremely strange. It states that Murray found MJ not breathing at 10.52 AM yet also that Murray placed three calls between 11.18 and 12.05 AM… in the midst of the chaos, seriously ? Though Murray’s lawyer said the timeline was flawed and Murray found MJ unconscious at 11.50 something, he still placed those calls AFTERWARDS. And the police didn’t find that suspicious… even malicious ? With all this crucial info (the benzo mix, the CPR on the bed, the timeline contradictions), it would have taken since Murray’s interrogation + the autopsy report completion to book Murray. Seriously. The judge didn’t even prohibit him from practising medicine when all goes to prove he was negligent, incompetent and even malevolent (placing phone calls while MJ was dying).
 
They in the autopsy listed the punctures found on MJ's body as evidence of recent therpay , but why they did not mention the age of each puncture wound ? they should have been able to determine that .
 

I LoL'd at that too - 'SoundLover.' :lol: I needed a laugh. =)

timeline according to media reports


At 11:18am he called his Las Vegas office for 32 minutes

at 11:49am he called another Las Vegas phone for 3 minutes (The answer machine message)

at 11:51am he phoned somebody in Houston for 11 minutes. (his GF)

at 12:05 pm he called MJ's assistant.

at 12: 21 pm paramedics were called

Are we sure of this?... Most cellphones have a ring cycle of 23 seconds before the voicemail picks up. The message he left was like 18 seconds, wasn't it? Where are the other 2 mins. and some odd seconds? :scratch:

You know, I think those were prayer beads. It would be divine intervention if they end up being the one thing that nails Murray's arse to the wall as far as time of death.

Whenever anyone mentions them I feel sick.
For me, the worst parts of reading that report were the mention of the "string of wooden beads", "eyeglasses", and "several empty orange juice bottles". :( Everything else was so technical and detached, talking about his body in such scientific detail that it was difficult to even equate it to Michael. But mentioning those things just brought it all home. I think because each of those items conjured up several fond memories and images, whereas talk of the parathyroid area doesn't mean anything to me, nor does it scream "Michael". :(

However, that's an amazing connection you've made there. So poignant.
There have been so many incredible instances like this in the past involving him.
 
Inconsistencies in the autopsy report
- The toxicology screen did not find the Flumazenil administered by Murray. However, they found it in the IV system and a 10cc syringe, along with the Propofol and Lidocaine. There were no drugs found in the upper portion of the IV tubing or in the IV bag. –> was Murray re-using needles ? How much Propofol did he inject into the IV bolus ? Why was the fluid in the syringe white, while the fluid in the IV was yellow, though they both contained the same drugs and the IV fluid was clear ?

- The toxicology screen did not find the epinephrine or atropine said to be administered by paramedics during resuscitative efforts.

- The toxicology screen did find ephedrine, but there is no report of where or how it was administered. It was found only in his urine, which would mean that it had enough time to be filtered by the liver.

- The report states that Propofol was found in stomach contents. How is that even possible ?
Propofol is an intravenous drug EXCLUSIVELY. The only way for it to be found in the stomach would be that one had taken it orally, had drunk it. Obviously, there’s no doubt that MJ didn’t drink the substance. Now, say he had drunk the substance. It would still have to be metabolised, which can’t happen if he’s dead. There wouldn’t have been enough time anyway, according to the search warrant timeline, for that to happen.

I read on a US Police Dept's (can't remember which one now) website about toxicology screens. They gave a list of drugs/substances that are routinely screened for. These included benzodiazepines, narcotics, amphetamines, amongst others. Any other drug would not show unless specifically requested, which is why I believe epinephrine and atropine are not mentioned. The propofol would have been requested as a special test.

As for the propofol being found in the stomach.....well I hate to write this but somewhere early in the report they state there is some transmural haemorrhaging of stomach caused by the resuscitation. I think this means there could have been some blood in the stomach contents, and thus propofol was detected in this blood.

I found it weird that lorazepam was not tested for in the urine samples.
 
I mean that you were thanking me for the medical info, stating that you had no idea, but after a few pages, you have been in Code Blue situations?

I pointed this inconsistency earlier in this thread, you talked about ACLS after I provided the info, but you did not respond to that.

I apologize for my sarcasm. I assumed everyone knew I was in the medical field. Obviously you did not. So again, I apologize. I do understand Code Blue situations very well and have been a cardiology nurse and ICU nurse for many years.
 
But I still don't understand why this would be a good explanation for Murray.

I can't imagine him saying: "Well, I really gave Michael Flumazenil, look, it's in the tubing! And I don't have any idea how it is possible that it was not discovered in Michael's system" :doh:

doesn't make sense, does it?

I am not making any excuse for him or against him here. At one point Sound stated he didn't give it. Now, why it didn't show up in the blood I don't know, but since it was in the tubing I'm going to assume he gave it or else it would not be in the tubing.
 
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