Katherine & MJ's kids sue AEG / Trial date April 2, 2013

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Didn't Mark Cunniffe say that Michael did 2 full run throughs of his show on the tuesday and wednesday before he died? I got the impression from him that Michael was very much in control and stopping to give instructions. Or is he part of some cover up?

Is the Micheal Jackson Estate involved with this in any way? Now I am just asking but if there is a settlement where does the money go and who will control it?*ducks and runs for cover*
 
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Is the Micheal Jackson Estate involved with this in any way? Now I am just asking but if there is a settlement where does the money go and who will control it?*ducks and runs for cover*
no i dont think they are involved. they are seperate issues. katherine and the kids win the money goes to her or the koreans and the kids money will prob go into their trust to be given to them as mj wrote
 
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its utterly shocking to see how some members have changed SO Damn much to how they used to be last year this time around.
 
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From papers submitted on behalf of Murray in his child support case back in November he stated that he was employed by Michael who was an "old friend" and that he never received any payment from him. AEG is never mentioned.
http://www.etonline.com/documents/et_cmurray_objection_091020.pdf
Not sure how significant (if at all) that documentation might be to what has unfolded with Katherine's lawsuit?

Didn't Mark Cunniffe say that Michael did 2 full run throughs of his show on the tuesday and wednesday before he died? I got the impression from him that Michael was very much in control and stopping to give instructions. Or is he part of some cover up?

A couple of others have said he seemed ok in the last 1-2 days before June 25 as well, the magician's quote further down might explain the discussion about MJ's sore throat earlier in the thread:

30 June 2009: Mazur, who first took pictures of Jackson during the 1984 Victory tour, told the BBC about the "magical" show that was being prepared before the entertainer's untimely death on Thursday.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/8127448.stm


How much of the rehearsal did you see?
"I was there for a couple of days. I was there on the first day when they built the stage, and I took photographs of the dancers and the back-up singers for the tour book. Then, the next day I was taking casual shots of the band and the dancers rehearsing when Michael arrived.
I was like an expectant father waiting for him to take to the stage, I was so excited. And when he came out, I was even more excited because Michael was back.
He was happy, he was energetic, he was full of life. I had such an adrenaline rush. It was like the first time I had photographed him, when he moonwalked.

People were saying he wasn't ready, and the first shows had been pushed back because of his health. Did you see any evidence of that?
A photo tells a story. Michael was physically fit and performing the same way that I photographed him through the years. You can look at the photos. I documented it, I was there.

So how did you feel when, four days later, you were told he had died?
I was so shocked, because from what I saw on Tuesday night, he was full of energy and full of life. I couldn't wait to see this show at the O2 arena with all the fans there."

How much of the production did you see? Were there any big surprises?
There were still certain elements that they had to put into place, but I saw them rehearse about a dozen songs. And Michael never stopped. He worked right through. He did 12 songs and he only paused a couple of times to tweak some stuff with the music and a little bit of the choreography.



26 June 2009: The day before Michael Jackson suffered a cardiac arrest and died, the King of Pop seemed completely fine, according to magician Ed Alonzo, who was working on his upcoming tour.
http://www.mjfanclub.net/home/index...last-rehearsal&catid=85:latest-news&Itemid=82


"Michael was on stage performing the numbers, singing and dancing with the cast," Alonzo told Us about seeing Jackson Wednesday evening at rehearsals. "It was a privilege to be able to watch the concert that no one will see now."
He said Jackson -- wearing a white shirt and pants -- arrived at the Staples Center in L.A. around 6:30 p.m.

"By the time that Michael came in, all we had to do was just show [the plan] to him. He was such a quick learner," he said. "He would learn this stuff in seconds. And jump right into it! The choreography, all of it... He looked fantastic."

When it was time to sing, Alonzo said Michael mentioned a seemingly minor ailment.
"He claimed that he felt he had a little bit of laryngitis. He said 'I'm not going to sing this full-out because I have this laryngitis.'
But he looked great and these pop-locking moves that he was doing on stage with the crew were just breathtaking... He didn't seem tired. He went from one move to the next. It was an unbelievable experience to be with him and to see it all come together."

Mentally, Michael seemed completely fine.
"He was joking with the crew on stage. There was a cameraman on stage ... that was a foot away from him that was kind of crouched down and Michael said some kind of funny gesture like, ‘Oh you're very close, look how close you are.' And he reached down and touched the cameraman on the top of the head in a joking manner. You could see on the screen how big Michael's image was on these projection screens. He was playful and light-hearted."

Alonzo spent the rest of the evening watching him perform.
"I just thought, 'Wow, he still has it. When he did 'Thriller,' I was just in awe. I stayed for a while, probably until about midnight. And then they started to rehearse the 'Thriller' number with a gigantic spider on stage and I thought, 'Well, it's getting late...' Had I known, I would have stayed another half hour and watched more."
He said that Michael rehearsed with the dancers until 1 a.m.
 
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its utterly shocking to see how some members have changed SO Damn much to how they used to be last year this time around.

Grief does terrible things to people. Especially in cases like this.

The more I see, the more I think of that one line from Michael's song: "Lies become the truth."
 
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I was so shocked, because from what I saw on Tuesday night, he was full of energy and full of life. I couldn't wait to see this show at the O2 arena with all the fans there."

The quotes coming from this person sounds similar to Ken Erlich (the Grammy guy) and Michael Bearden (who recently gave an interview regarding his new job on the George Lopez Show).

The Grammy Guy said that he was at the last rehearsal watching Michael perform the Thriller piece and that it was SO good that the hairs on the back of his neck were standing up. (He said he was at the Staple Center to speak with Michael regarding ANOTHER project.)

Michael Bearden said that on the last night of rehearsal, Michael was soo good and it appeared that he (MJ) had a glow about him. Bearden went on to say that he and his bandmates were very impressed with MJ's performance. And how MJ would stop and give direction and suggestions to the dancers and musicians.

If this case does make it to trial, I'm sure these folks will be on the witness list. It will be interesting to hear from folks who were actually in the room with Michael and what THEY thought.
 
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No wonder i am dreading these trials. Don't want these trials, don't care about these trials. When they get through stomping on MJ'S carcass in just about every court room in california, Will he be recognizable.??? And this is justice for MICHAEL.?????

Totally agree. And they'll probably ask for another autopsy to defame his body even more, just because they can. :(
 
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Totally agree. And they'll probably ask for another autopsy to defame his body even more, just because they can. :(
dear God...lets hope not..THAT would be horrific..:(
 
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I don't think they can or will do that. Besides, there would be no reason. The drugs found in MJ have a short shelf life (If I remember correctly). And the condition of his body was already documented by 1 possibly 2 autopsies.

Besides that is such a horrific thought, it surely would meet with heavy outcries from Michael's fans. Would anyone even dare to have so much gumption. That WOULD be terrible.
 
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its a non issue it wouldnt happen.
 
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This article quotes NOTW. First step at proving their unreliability. Are there any medical people here? I though the drugs MJ was supposedly given had a short half life. So an autopsy now would be fruitless. Does anyone know about that?
 
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yes it would be fruitless. not going inot details but there is nothing left. no fluids nothing
 
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was given the below by a friend. havnt read through it all myself but its something to discuss


25. Rehearsals for the This is it Tour were under way by April 2009 Jackson attended rehearsals, dancing, performing, and working closely with production staff on the development of the show. In early May, 2009, AEG complained to Michael Jackson that he was missing rehearsals and states it was because of a negative health condition related to prescription medications. AEG instructed Michael Jackson to stop seeing and taking medications from his current doctor and to instead start to seeing a doctor that AEG would provide.

26. Around the same time in early May, 2009, AEG retained Dr. Conrad Murray to be Jackson's personal "concierge" physician and to exclusively treat Jackson AEG said it would hire Murray and pay him $ 150.000 00 per month for 11 months commencing May, 2009, through Mach, 2010 along with other benefits , travel, and expenses, including a large house in London and health insurance.
( An outrageous lie from the Jacksons, Murray delivered a file with MJ’s name on it as patient which prove he was his doctor for the last three years , it was dated back to 2006. Murray prescribed to MJ Temazepam in December,2008. Murray prescribed to MJ lorazepam in April,2009. Murray rented an apartment in LA at the beginning of 2009, moved with his girlfriend to LA and she gave birth to their son on March 2, 2009 and the birth place was LA as stated in his birth certificate, Murray had no office in California, did not practice in California and the only reason he’s in LA was because of MJ . Murray went with MJ in March and they both visited Dr. Adams to ask him to join them on the tour. He was the doctor Murray claimed he gave MJ propofol in his presence which Dr.Adams denied and said that he had administered propofol over 9000 times the last five years and none of his patients ever had any problems, he said propofol was a great drug and Murray gave it a bad name)

27. AEG promised it would pay for and provide all of Murray's medical equipment, supplies, personnel and treatments administered to Jackson. AEG and MURRAY agreed Murray would start immediately . Murray did begin immediately. ( please where is the confirmation?)

28. On May 8, 2009 AEG confirmed the agreement in writing ( another lie , they are referring to an email Murray sent to AEG to document everything incase he was not hired so he could sue to get money from MJ ). The written confirmation stated AEG would provide Murray with Cardio-Pulmonary Resuscitation equipment and a nurse during his services. On May 8, 2009, Dr Murray accepted the contract's terms ( The AEG -MURRAY AGREEMENT).( again a complete lie, an email sent by Murray asking for things is not an agreement )

29. On May 12, 2009, Murray made his first order to purchase of the drug propofol for Michael Jackson from a pharmacy in Las Vegas, Nevada. Propofol is an intravenously administered hypnotic drug, which is commonly used to induce and maintain general anesthesia in a hospital setting.
30. On May 15, 2009, Murray advised AEG in writing that he started his services to Jackson on AEG's behalf. ( see all he was doing document everything because he was not sure he was going to be hired)

31. On May 22, 2009, Murray sent an email to AEG with his bank account information , and requested AEG deposit his May 2009 salary payment of $ 150.000.( another desperate attempt to document and beg to be hired by them)

32. Murray provided services under the terms of the AEG-MURRAY AGREEMENT for several weeks( ofcourse at the time there was nothing but the emails sent by Murray to AEG people) by administring various controlled substances and other medications to Michael Jackson, including Valium, Ativan, Versed, and propofol. These medications were administered to Jackson at the Beverly Hills home rented for him by AEG.AEG was fully aware that Murray was carrying out his end of the AEG-MURRAY AGREEMENT. ( He sent them emails , at the time they did not agree to anything)

33. On May 28, 2009, Murray sent an email to AEG stating he had performed his part of the bargain in good faith. He requested that AEG perform its end of the agreement. ( further desperate attempt )

34. On June 18, 2009, Michael Jackson did not appear at rehearsals. ( a very very very long day pay close attention please and put in mind that April 17 was the last day MJ was seen PUBLICALLY visiting Klien’s office he was wearing his leopard pants so the Jacksons has to make it the 'crucial' day )

35. On June 18, 2009, AEG's agents, including Randy Phillips, traveled to Michael Jackson's house at 100 Carolwood Way, Beverly Hills, California. Murray attended the meeting at AEG's direction.

36. At the June 18,2009, meeting AEG demanded Michael Jackson stop seeing Dr. Arnold Klien and stop taking the drugs Klien gave to him. AEG said Klien's drugs made him sleepy and prevented him from rehearsing. AEG demanded Michael Jackson take only the medications given to him by Murray. ( yeah, sure, I’m sure Lorazepam was making Mike feel great lol)
37. AEG threatened that if Jackson missed any further rehearsals, they were going to "pull the plug" on the show, Jackson's house, the doctor ( I thought he did not want the doctor lol), and all the expenses for which they paid. if AEG called off the tour, Jackson would be required to repay AEG for its advances to him ( VERY FAIR). If he could not repay AEG, AEG would be entitled to collect the collateral Jackson had put up to secure his obligation to perform ( AGAIN FAIR). AEG said that if they called off the Tour, there would be lawsuits and Jackson's career would be over . They said Jackson must work with Murray ( Theory and another lie) . They threatened there would be no further failures to perform on his part or everything with AEG was over. ( They would not have been able to do that, the concerts had not even started and MJ did not break the agreement, that’s a complete bullish from Randy , his mother and the rest of the conspiracy believers)
38. AEG told Murray that he had to make sure Jackson got to rehearsals. Unless Jackson got to rehearsals, the shows would be cancelled and Murray's employment would be terminated. It was Murray's job to ensure Jackson was at rehearsals, and Murray was to attend rehearsals with Jackson. ( he only attended two rehearsals out of tens so they had to make it sound like a conspiracy act ,you do remember Sneddon’s conspiracy acts that sounded laughable like the events the Jacksons are claiming now)They said it was to be "tough love" and that they had read Jackson the "riot act" Murray agreed to each of AEG's demands, Murray thereafter attended rehearsals with Jackson.

39. AEG knew or should have known that it was jeopardizing Jackson's health and safety by assuming control over the doctor-patient relationship between Jackson and Murray, and by directing and influencing Murray to act without regard to medical safety standards. ( according to this lawsuit they threatend they would pull the plug on the whole show because of Kliens treatment that made MJ sleepy but now they want us to believe they were aware Murray was giving MJ propofol?)
40. On June 18, 2009 at 1 11 pm, the very day of the "Riot act" meeting at Jackson's house, AEG sent Murray yet another written confirmation of the existing oral agreement regarding his services to AEG. Murray had been rendering his services to AEG under the May 8, 2009, oral agreement ( oral the magic word, they are admitting so far everything was oral and the only written confirmation were emails murray was sending to them)
, and AEG never unstructed MURRAY to cease his services. AEG KNEW THAT Murray had been performing per the AEG-MURRAY AGREEMENT ( that was not even drafted yet), and AEG knew that it had not yet provided MURRAY with the Cardio-Plumonary Resusciation equipment or the nurse( he asked to be provided with them once they reach London) .

41. The written Agreement delivered to Murray on June 18, 2009, at 1 11 pm ( it seems Randy Phillips was upset MJ did not attend the rehersals at 8, 9 , 10, 11 am? lol ) provided the "term" of Murray's services was May1, 2009, through completion of the concert series. In addition to controlling the housing, insurance, travel, equipment and where Murray would perform services, AEG controlled the provision of Murray's services. AEG could fire Murray if he did not perform to their liking. Murray was to perform services as AEG directed, and Michael Jackson had no right to terminate the Agreement( are they saying AEG agreed to sign a contract where they admitted they had the right to force MJ to whatever treatement they wanted and he had no say ???????? are they that stupid to believe we are that stupid? where is this very damaging contract? ) . It was AEG who directed, controlled, oversaw, and supervised Murray's services.

42. The written Agreement further confirmed that AEG would provide Murray with necessary safety equipment and personnel, including Cardio-Pulmonary resusciation equipment and a nurse. Although AEG had promised to provide these services, and although AEG knew or should have known that Murray was nightly administring sleep remedies to Jackson, AEG failed to provide them. ( I thought they were angry because Klien’s was giving MJ drugs that made him sleepy, now they were demanding that Murray gave Mike the same exact things?)

43. when Jackson got to the rehearsal at the Forum in Inglewood, California, On June 18,2009,at 9:30 pm, a few hours after the "Riot act" meeting, he was visibly shaken .He and his family depended on AEG's continuing with the tour. He had no choice but to accept AEG's dangerous demands or suffer the consequences. And he was in no condition to say no to AEG. Witnesses present at that rehearsal confirm that Michael was not himself that day. ( Drama queens, MJ was living large in Vegas for two years, he got 48 millions in February 2008 after refinancing his loans against ATV/SONY 25 millions in cash and the rest to pay off pending lawsuits , he solved the Neverland problem in October, 2008. He did not need to move to LA, it would have made perfect sense to ask AEG to pay for everything as an advance, why not? It was not like MJ was homeless and AEG provided him with a home and fed him and his kids. At the time he signed the agreement he was in good financial position , everything was stable financially at the time. The company paid 20 + millions as a budget why would not they insure themselves incase anything happened ? is it now suspicious to make smart business decisions? No one put a gun against MJ’s head to sign the contract, he hoped he would have got hundreds of millions of that SMART decision and AEG hoped the same and everyone tried to make the other side comfortable with the whole deal, nothing strange , nothing odd)
44. At AEG's direction Murray went to rehearsal that day to observe Jackson Murray took directions from AEG, and he remained at the rehearsal until AEG excused him.( the laughable conspiracy act again)

45. Late on the evening of JUNE 18, 2009, Murray attended to Jackson and gave him a cocktail of Valium ( LIE Murray first prescribed valium to MJ on June 21 there is written documentation of that, that's an evidence everything is a theory made by them stated as facts in this lawsuit) , Ativan, Versed, and Propofol in order to get him to sleep . The cocktail Murray provided was similar to the medications he had given Jackson for the prior five weeks, and Murray sought to make sure Jackson slept so he could attend the next day ( This is all from their wild imagination and based solely on Murray’s very suspicious accounts of the events) . Murray administered propofol without necessary resuscitation equipment and nursing support.
46. Jackson appeared for rehearsals on June 19, 2009, at the Forum. Murray was also present at rehearsals on June 19, 2009, at AEG's direction. Witnesses confirm that Michael was upset, not coherent, and seemed drugged and disoriented. ( according to the family MJ was drugged throughout April that’s why AEG wanted MURRAY and hired him, he was drugged throughtout May because of Klien’s treatment and that’s why the “riot act” event took place, so there was really nothing new or strange about Mike being upset, not coherent and seeming drugged and disoriented , right? It was something that lasted for damn three months by then !!!!!)

47. Jackson continued to recieve treatments from Murray over the weekend( there were no rehearsals that weekend due to Father's day) when he appeared for the next rehearsal on June 23,2009, Jackson was freezing cold ( He went to see Klien that day but the media did not capture him that day , so WHY AEG DID NOT CANCEL EVERYTHING?). His assistants had to give him several shirts to wear under his long heavy coat. Although it was warm in the staples Center that day, and although the reherasal was rigorous, Jackson had to have a heater. ( The man was ill for whatever reason , another laughable conspiracy act ) Jackson's shivering and disorientation continued on June 24, 2009, the last day before his death.AEG was well aware of his condition but did not postpone any rehearsals, nor did AEG relent in its demand that Jackson continue to maintain the grueling rehearsal schedule. ( all of the footage we saw were from these three days , I Believe MJ seemed very good coherent and sharp)

48. On June 23, 2009, AEG forwarded Murray by e-mail a revised written copy of the AEG-MURRAY AGREEMENT ( that was the first time there was a written agreement in the first place and please notice the word REVISED, sure it was far different from what this lawsuits has been claiming so far that’s why they had to distinguish between the Oral one and the Revised one, on April 18 they sent him an email , not a contract) . On June 24,2009,the night before Michael Jackson died Murray signed it and faxed it back to AEG( the contract was found in Murray’s car that was seized on June 26 and they confirmed that only Murray’s signature was on it, we have no real evidence that AEG even got it back) .AEG still did nothing to provide Murray with Cardio-Pulmonary Resuscitation equipment, a nurse, or any other life saving equipment necessary for the treatments Murray gave Jackson.( he asked for them to be present when he moved to London, Joe Jackson said in his complaint against AEG that AEG sent Murray an email on June 23 telling him the delay in signing any agreement was due to the fact that it was very RARE for a promoter to hire a doctor to look after the artist, does not support the whole theory the Jackson family wants everyone to believe that AEG was the one asking and begging to hire Murray , right? )

The family is stating that AEG is responsible because they ASKED FOR AND FORCED MJ TO HIRE MURRAY IN MAY which is not true , if you want justice , if you indeed believe in justice you don’t lie , you don’t make up events, you don’t add more drama to the events and you sure don’t portray your son as this helpless , hopleless man who was drugged left and right just so you can fill your pockets with $$$$$$$. “We want money because they forced him to hire Murray” that’s what everyone needs to keep in mind and that’s as everyone with braincells knows a complete and proven LIE.
 
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The quotes coming from this person sounds similar to Ken Erlich (the Grammy guy) and Michael Bearden (who recently gave an interview regarding his new job on the George Lopez Show).

The Grammy Guy said that he was at the last rehearsal watching Michael perform the Thriller piece and that it was SO good that the hairs on the back of his neck were standing up. (He said he was at the Staple Center to speak with Michael regarding ANOTHER project.)

Michael Bearden said that on the last night of rehearsal, Michael was soo good and it appeared that he (MJ) had a glow about him. Bearden went on to say that he and his bandmates were very impressed with MJ's performance. And how MJ would stop and give direction and suggestions to the dancers and musicians.

If this case does make it to trial, I'm sure these folks will be on the witness list. It will be interesting to hear from folks who were actually in the room with Michael and what THEY thought.

Wasn't Karen also singing praises about how wonderful things were and then things changed after Michael's death. These people could be exagerrating or telling the truth or say something entirely different on the witness stand.

Regarding the layering of clothing. I think they are referencing MJ's complaint that he was hot on one side of his body and cold on the other. Obviously something he had been given had caused this.
 
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was given the below by a friend. havnt read through it all myself but its something to discuss

Thank you very much for posting this Elusive. Everytime they say that Mj was freezing cold and wore many layers while everyone else wore much less clothing, it makes me think of the Victory tour and other times I have seen MJ perform where he had on sirts and jackets while his brothers or other dancers wore short sleeves and the like. Why is that suddenly out of character for MJ?
 
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Thank you very much for posting this Elusive. Everytime they say that Mj was freezing cold and wore many layers while everyone else wore much less clothing, it makes me think of the Victory tour and other times I have seen MJ perform where he had on sirts and jackets while his brothers or other dancers wore short sleeves and the like. Why is that suddenly out of character for MJ?

u know i pretty much suffer from raynards disease. it means u are cold blooded. im always cold unless its about 75 degrees at least. my hands go purple in the winter.my cirulation is terrible. i work outside alot and have onl itterally 10 layers sometimes. ppl are like its not cold! mjs hands were purple alot prob came with the lupus etc. maybe he suffered with the above? but someone wearing a few layers hardly supports some grand conspiracy
 
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but someone wearing a few layers hardly supports some grand conspiracy
Taken out of context no, but taken with the context that Michael complained about his body temperature it indicates that something was happening to him.
 
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Totally agree. And they'll probably ask for another autopsy to defame his body even more, just because they can. :(
Another autopsy wouldn't require michael's body to be tampered with, the coroner already has samples.
 
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u know i pretty much suffer from raynards disease. it means u are cold blooded. im always cold unless its about 75 degrees at least. my hands go purple in the winter.my cirulation is terrible. i work outside alot and have onl itterally 10 layers sometimes. ppl are like its not cold! mjs hands were purple alot prob came with the lupus etc. maybe he suffered with the above? but someone wearing a few layers hardly supports some grand conspiracy

I am always cold as well but that is because I am anemic. From what I remember hearing, MJ has always been someone who was cold. I really want to know what makes this above and beyond what is normal. If it is because of something that was happening to him. What was happening to him the other years of his life?
 
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In a wrongful death suit, the legal guardian of minor children can be referred to as the guardian ad litem. Only in cases where "best interests of the children" are litigated, is there a neutral guardian ad litem (attorney) appointed to represent the children. I'm sure Mrs. Jackson's lawyers know what they are doing; let's give them the benefit of the doubt. It is really none of our business to speculate on motives, guilt, etc.----that's what court cases are about. Bottom line: The Jackson family deserves to know every detail of everything that happened to Michael by every party involved. That's all that's important.

This is true. I believe that there was confusion with Panish using the phrase in the complaint, referring to Katherine, because Beckloff appointed Margaret Lodise, an estates law expert, as MJ3 Guardian Ad Litem last August.
 
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Taken out of context no, but taken with the context that Michael complained about his body temperature it indicates that something was happening to him.

true. if that happened. but as stated b4 he always wore alot of layers
 
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Also if this is true, wouldn't it be Michael's responsibility to get himself help if he felt ill? Especially if it was for 2 days. Are you telling me AEG had agents in the hospital as well. And if they were so concern about Michael performing that they forced a doctor, wouldn't they be concern if Michael was drugged and cold? I mean, they held an 'intervention' for Klien because he drugs made Michael too sleepy. I guess AEG felt Michael being cold, shaking, drugged, and confuse was much better.

Also, other people from TII were wearing layers, so maybe they were all sick. I mean, one of them was wearing a sweat suit and the guiltier player had a leather jacket on the entire time.

Not to mention the customs he was going to wear for TII was not exactly light. Most of them were full body suites like the ones from the History Tour. Now that I think about it, did Michael ever where sleeves during his concerts?
 
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I am always cold as well but that is because I am anemic. From what I remember hearing, MJ has always been someone who was cold. I really want to know what makes this above and beyond what is normal. If it is because of something that was happening to him. What was happening to him the other years of his life?

Maybe he wore a bunch of clothing because it was his way of getting used to wearing a heavy costume. Raymone Bain said Michael's jackets were very heavy and he had to practice to get used to wearing them.
 
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did Michael ever where sleeves during his concerts?


Yeh nearly everytime he was on stage he did. It was either a jacket or jumpsuit thingys he would wear.
 
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about Michael's Layering of clothes I know myself I get cold easy...and I change body temps fast esp. when dancing. alot of dancers wear layered clothing for a reason.
 
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If you look up Propofol and read some of the possible side effects, all of this makes sense. Abnormal body temperatures (too hot, too cold) are one of the side effects of Propofol. That's what I also believe he was suffering from when he called the nurse, Cherilyn Lee on that last Sunday.
 
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One of the dates in question is the 21st of June. Nurse Cherilynn Lee was called on the 21st of June by someone from Michael's place just 5 days before his death. Who from his house made that phone call to her? As she has stated in interviews, Michael himself is heard yelling "tell her, tell her!" in the background about being both hot and cold and not feeling well. He was not on the phone directly with her according to her previous statements. Why? Something is obviously wrong with him and others knew it too as they answered the call from her directly. Yet he's still attending tour rehearsals afterward? Ms. Lee says she even instructed the person who answered her returning call to get him to a hospital because she couldn't get to him being that she was in Florida. Why did "they" not take him? Did they (person who spoke to Lee) tell Michael he should go the hospital? This situation seems awfully serious to me. Wth happened? I'd like to hear the audio. Where was Dileo, did he know? This particular call to Lee was never released to the public, will it be used? The audio should prove interesting to a jury be it trial or lawsuit.imo What did AEG know of this phone call to Lee about his condition and where was Murray at the time? How does this factor into the lawsuit against AEG over Michael's death? Dunno... Everyone involved had a story to tell of these events, yet none of it seems to add up.

I don't think the memorial should have been at Staples, especially given the disrespectful tone of RP toward Michael. Even attending Michael's burial by invitation... were they that close? What's done is done though. RP was all over the place talking non-stop and quite defensively might I add soon after Michael's death. Many things he said in reference to MJ after the fact were taken off of YT recently. Wonder why? lol I have many questions as to who knew what when, and why they acted the way they did. As I am sure Katherine does too...her son is dead. I'll bet Murray knows, but he's not been straightforward either.
 
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If you look up Propofol and read some of the possible side effects, all of this makes sense. Abnormal body temperatures (too hot, too cold) are one of the side effects of Propofol. That's what I also believe he was suffering from when he called the nurse, Cherilyn Lee on that last Sunday.

I believe that is what the family is referencing when they mention his temperature.
As far as why Michael never made it to the hospital that night. I am not sure but I believe Murray must have gave him assurances that he would handle it. Sandy thank you for doing that research. I followed and did it too. There are fans insisting up and down that it couldn't be the propofol that caused that.

Just look for yourself and stop trusting so called medical experts. There are going to be medical experts on both sides saying completely opposite things.

As far as AEG planning the funeral and why that is even mentioned in this thread is beyond me. Randy Jackson also helped to plan the funeral and apparently the coroner was not finished doing tests with Michael as they took the hair sample in August so obviously Michael couldn't just be buried.
 
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Re: Wrongful death lawsuits - Katherine and MJ's kids sue AEG / Murray responds to Joe's lawsuit

If you look up Propofol and read some of the possible side effects, all of this makes sense. Abnormal body temperatures (too hot, too cold) are one of the side effects of Propofol. That's what I also believe he was suffering from when he called the nurse, Cherilyn Lee on that last Sunday.


That is not completely true. I remember when they asked experts if Propofol could cause such effects, everyone said no. Propofol does not cause one side of your body to be hot and other side cold. It can drop or raise your temperature, but it does not cause that side-effect. The main question of course if Michael was really scared, why didn't he go get help at the hospital? Better yet, why would he allow anyone inject him again soon after the incident? We need to the full tox before we can completely say that Murray told the truth about how long he was given him Propofol.


On in this quote about the Staple Center, the family chose it because they could not afford anything else. The family spent days trying to figure out what to do for Michael's memorial and AEG offered them the Staple. They even flipped the bill for the service because the family could not afford it and the estate was still in limbo. They used all the cast from TII to pull the memorial, including Michael's own props from the show. You saw for yourself that it took the family 3 months just to bury Michael's body because they are that disorganize and Michael's estate paid for everything, even the clothes they wore.
 
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