Katherine & MJ's kids sue AEG / Trial date April 2, 2013

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Re: Wrongful death lawsuits - Katherine and MJ's kids sue AEG / Murray responds to Joe's lawsuit

Why are we wondering who saw the email. Wasn't Randy Phillips the one who gave an explanation for the email when Joe filed his lawsuit? So he was aware.

Of COURSE he was. It will shake out in court, and we will have to cope, somehow. We really will. . . . whatever we might want the truth to be.
 
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yes alberto alverez told this to the police in an interview.he said murray was more intrested in hiding the bottles and told alberto to help him b4 murray told him to ring 911


What the...:rant: alberto how could u???..why?? :cry:
 
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1. This should have raised red-flags at AEG, about such an extraordinary request that indicated unsafe practices were being planned.

I agree that when that machine name was mentioned someone should have asked "why do you need that for"? that's for sure. However that doesn't equal to knowing that propofol being administrated.

What really bugs me is that this is a resuscitation equipment which means that it's used after something goes wrong. But where's the request for the machines needed to proper administration or monitoring? Isn't the right step is to prevent something from happening, rather than trying to fix it when it goes wrong?

In the end all comes to what AEG knew.
Did they knew what was going on in regards to drugs given to Michael and the significance of this machine or did they think that it was just a ridiculous request from some doctor?

(Did Michael even KNOW that Murray had requested this machine? Maybe not? If he had known, he was not stupid, and that surely would have indicated the level of risk to him.)

If you find her credible - Cherilyn Lee said that after Michael asked him for propofol, she told him the dangers and said it was not safe to use.

But, as I've said before, I think that Murray will plea-bargain and the criminal trial will never happen. Why wouldn't he plea-bargain? At a civil trial, he would not have that option, and that way, hopefully, we will hear his version, under oath.

In order for a plea bargain you need to have the DA to offer a deal and I don't think that they'll do such a thing in such a high profile high public interest case.

Plus in any civil trial there's the option of settlement (and also pleading the 5th) so do not assume that a civil trial equals to a definitive trial / testimony.

If the suit is accurate, AEG had more to gain from disabeling Michael from performing, that way they would get their hands on his catalogue, it explains why a doctor was pumping drugs into him that he didn't need, and he was ordered to cooperate, it is beyond belief that they knew they were giving him drugs that could require him to have need to a defribrillator.

According to the lawsuit if they wanted to get the catalogue , they could simply pull the plug and sue Michael - they were already complaining about him missing rehearsals and Michael was vocal about the number of the shows. They could just let Michael to go to Klein and continue to miss rehearsals and even concerts and not give the high quality performance the contract states and then sue him and get whatever assets of him that they can.

The 18th June riot act, ordering not to see Klein as the medications he gave prevented Michael from rehearsing and making sure that he comes to rehearsals seems like that they were pushing the TII concerts to happen - not the other way around.If you actually read the lawsuit claims in more detail you see that the actual claim is that AEG was forcing / exposing to Michael to grueling rehearsal schedule without regard to his health/ well being to make the concerts happen. so the argument in the lawsuit complaint is not they were "trying to disable him to perform to get his catalogue", on the contrary the argument is "forcing him to perform no matter what the consequences might be".
 
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it all so tragic and sad:cry: The DA has said, No Plea for dr.death.
 
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Re: INSIDE STORY: A Chilling New Version of Michael Jackson's Final Days

Downright MURDER!!! If this could be proven, what a bombshell this is. I can't see how they could sue if this was "unsubstantiated and meritless".

They can sue like Sneddon could put MJ on trial for five long debilitating months. Certain facts are construed to serve purpose and others are ignored.
 
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Right. Yes, it WAS "beyond belief" that they would be giving him such drugs. There is so MUCH that is not known. There is so MUCH in terms of conflicting information. What I DO know, is that this is a man that we loved, and we do not yet have answers. I don't really care about his family's motivations (that is irrelevant to me). I just want the truth, and am prepared to handle whatever that is. It might not be easy? Not much in life is?

We get used to certain things, from hearing them so much they seem "normal?" That Michael was being given propofol was NOT normal, in any, possible, sense. It was outrageous, and is truly the elephant in the room. How did this happen, anyway? Who was responsible? Apparently, Murray was. Who else? Anyone else who KNEW about this was responsible. . . .

Michael was the best entertainer who ever lived. He was a wonderful person, and he was loved by millions. He has left behind three children who are grieving. That it would be more "comfortable" for fans to think he was in great shape, and simply had a terrible accident at the hands of a doctor, may not be the truth. The TRUTH is out there, and those who still grieve deserve to know it. His CHILDREN deserve to know it.

I welcome this lawsuit, because I think Murray will plea-bargain, and this will be the only chance any of us have to know FACTS. I welcome it, however it shakes out, and whatever the truth may be. We owe Michael that, and if not . . . why not?

peace, y'all. . .. .


I agree with your post..YES..the truth IS out there. I too welcome this lawsuit for that very same reason...to find out the truth..or as close to the truth as possible as to what it was that happened to Michael. you are correct in saying that we will hear...probably wont be easy for us to hear..however non the less..it HAS to be heard. Michael deserve the truth to brought forth.....his children deserve to know what happened to their father..and US the fans...some of us are comfortable not knowing as you say..calling it an accident. For ME...NO..I want the whole truth and as yourself I welcome it...I already know I AM NOT gonna like what will be said in the end..BUT...if Michael is ever to get justice...then it has to be done.

I believe that AEG KNEW exactly what that machine was being used for and they really didn't care at all about Michael's health....as long as he was there every day for rehearsals...they really didn't care about much else that was happending with Michael physically.
 
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I think it's entirely possible that he IS that stupid? (Also, he studied cardiology in med-school, but was was not actually "board-certified" in cardiology. Whatever that might mean to anyone?)

Well every time I resolve myself to the idea that [Ok, he was incompetent. He did this all on his own.] I remember that NO authorities have suspended his medical license. So "they" think he's a competent doctor. Therefore NOT stupid. Then I'm back to the conspiracy theory that someone else is involved.

Can anybody post pics of the difference (price comparaison) between the CPR machines that were used for the HIStory tour and the one Murray requested?
 
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I welcome this lawsuit, because I think Murray will plea-bargain, and this will be the only chance any of us have to know FACTS. I welcome it, however it shakes out, and whatever the truth may be. We owe Michael that, and if not . . . why not?
but you think we will ever get the truth and the facts? the only way that happens is if murray starts accusing others in order to cover himself. so he does that. how do we know hes telling the truth? and not just trying to save himself? the lawsuit is just giving opinions on what went on. without those involved admitting what really went on we wont ever get the truth. just theories of what ppl think went on. and when theres credibility issues with the theories coming from all sides you end up just going round in circles.

Plus in any civil trial there's the option of settlement (and also pleading the 5th) so do not assume that a civil trial equals to a definitive trial / testimony.
that aswell.
 
Re: Wrongful death lawsuits - Katherine and MJ's kids sue AEG / Murray responds to Joe's lawsuit

Great post! Thanks.

I agree that when that machine name was mentioned someone should have asked "why do you need that for"? that's for sure. However that doesn't equal to knowing that propofol being administrated.

Right. It doesn't necessarily equal knowing about the propofol. It DOES indicate that something very extreme was going on, either with Michael's health, or "treatment." There should have been a strong reaction to that email, and as far as we know, there wasn't.

What really bugs me is that this is a resuscitation equipment which means that it's used after something goes wrong. But where's the request for the machines needed to proper administration or monitoring? Isn't the right step is to prevent something from happening, rather than trying to fix it when it goes wrong?

Of course, the right step is to prevent something from happening! It might be remotely possible that other entertainers have a defribrillator on-hand for tours, but that seems ultra-cautious. That is NOT what was asked for here.

In the end all comes to what AEG knew.

Yes, it does. That also comes down to what sort of paper-trail there might be, and who is willing to put career on the line and say what they really know? Rumors in the press are one thing, and testimony under oath is quite another.

Did they knew what was going on in regards to drugs given to Michael and the significance of this machine or did they think that it was just a ridiculous request from some doctor?

I'd say this request indicates that there was something DANGEROUS going on! Not "ridiculous" at all, but dangerous!

If you find her credible - Cherilyn Lee said that after Michael asked him for propofol, she told him the dangers and said it was not safe to use.

I've never known quite what to think of her? She popped up, and then submerged again. That Michael would ask her about propofol seems not to be credible. He had a lot of medical knowledge, and there are at least some reports/rumors that he'd used it before. He was an avid reader, including medical books, and among his collection of books surely there was a PDR? If only to research any medications that might be prescribed for his children? I have no idea what Lee's role is, in all of this.

In order for a plea bargain you need to have the DA to offer a deal and I don't think that they'll do such a thing in such a high profile high public interest case.

I think the charges are absurdly low, and I have no faith that the DA is, in any sense, seeking justice. There was no public outcry about the low charges, and I still think a plea-bargain is very likely.

Plus in any civil trial there's the option of settlement (and also pleading the 5th) so do not assume that a civil trial equals to a definitive trial / testimony.

These attorneys have already said they do NOT "settle," but take cases to trial. I expect that's exactly what they will do. . . .fight it out in court. "Definitive?" Probably not. I think the best we can hope for is for SOME of the truth to come out. That would be better than what we have now, in terms of facts, which is virtually NOTHING. There is very little in life that is "certain," and I expect this will be the same. SOME information, only, that may give us a clearer picture?

According to the lawsuit if they wanted to get the catalogue , they could simply pull the plug and sue Michael - they were already complaining about him missing rehearsals and Michael was vocal about the number of the shows. They could just let Michael to go to Klein and continue to miss rehearsals and even concerts and not give the high quality performance the contract states and then sue him and get whatever assets of him that they can.

But now, they have the MOVIE. Remains to be seen what will happen with the catalog. Time will tell. . .

The 18th June riot act, ordering not to see Klein as the medications he gave prevented Michael from rehearsing and making sure that he comes to rehearsals seems like that they were pushing the TII concerts to happen - not the other way around.If you actually read the lawsuit claims in more detail you see that the actual claim is that AEG was forcing / exposing to Michael to grueling rehearsal schedule without regard to his health/ well being to make the concerts happen. so the argument in the lawsuit complaint is not they were "trying to disable him to perform to get his catalogue", on the contrary the argument is "forcing him to perform no matter what the consequences might be".

We don't really know WHAT happened during that "riot act," or what was said, by whom. I don't think this had very much to do with the catalog, actually -- or if it did, that was much farther down the road. We'll just see how it shakes out in court, and if the initial complaint is modified in any way (it can be)? It's possible that those rehearsals were NECESSARY to get the footage for the movie, as incomplete as any song might be -- edited heavily so there is not ONE continuous performance for any song. This was the first time, to my knowledge, that Michael didn't have his own videography crew, and didn't own the behind-the-scenes footage. If there was any question that he couldn't do the concerts, then the film was potentially much more lucrative than the concert series, and without the risks of illness/injury/cancellation.

I think this civil suit will happen. Not sure what we'll learn, but it's gotta be more than we know, now!
 
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I've never known quite what to think of her? She popped up, and then submerged again. That Michael would ask her about propofol seems not to be credible. He had a lot of medical knowledge, and there are at least some reports/rumors that he'd used it before. He was an avid reader, including medical books, and among his collection of books surely there was a PDR? If only to research any medications that might be prescribed for his children? I have no idea what Lee's role is, in all of this.

A little correction on my part - she actually didn't say that Michael directly asked her about propofol and/or effects of propofol or whether it was safe or not. She said that he asked her about someone to give him propofol. she said she didn't know the drug , checked from nurses handbook (or something similar) and then told Michael the dangers and said that it wasn't safe to use.

Edit: Here it is the actual events according to her

He said 'Find me an anesthesiologist, I don't care how much money they want, find me an anesthesiologist to be with me here overnight and give me this IV.'"

Jackson, Lee said, said he was in extreme discomfort, was desperate for sleep and said that one side of his body was hot and the other side was cold.

Lee said wasn't familiar with the drug when he first asked for it three months ago, but, after consulting with a doctor, warned Jackson it could kill him.

"'I look at you Michael and I've been around you long enough now, I love you as family. I would not give this to anyone,'" Lee said she told Jackson. "I said, 'This is not a safe medicine, please don't take this.'"

Lee said Jackson had often complained of not being able to sleep more than a few hours at a time and the man who would often watch Donald Duck cartoons in bed, trying to sleep. "'The problem with you telling me you want to be knocked out,'" She says she told him, is "'you might not wake up the next morning. You don't want that.'"

But Jackson, she said, was convinced he'd be OK, telling her that his doctors had said it was safe as long as someone was monitoring him.


http://abcnews.go.com/Entertainment/MichaelJackson/story?id=7975029&page=1


But now, they have the MOVIE. Remains to be seen what will happen with the catalog. Time will tell. . .

AEG's possibility of going after Michael's assets and/or Sony/ATV catalogue is long over.

Previously in the executor's pay request it was mentioned that executor's share from TII profits were being used to pay back the debt to AEG. The latest estate report says that all the AEG debts (advances etc given to Michael) has been paid. The document states that "Estate completely satisfied their obligation to AEG". So as of now AEG has no standing to go after any asset of Michael's including Sony/ATV catalog.

IMO their actions (of telling him to attend rehearsals) show that they weren't after the catalog and as we can see Michael's death didn't give them the chance to get the catalog. On the contrary - if true- they were forcing Michael to perform regardless of the health consequences.
 
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A little correction on my part - she actually didn't say that Michael directly asked her about propofol and/or effects of propofol or whether it was safe or not. She said that he asked her about someone to give him propofol. she said she didn't know the drug , checked from nurses handbook (or something similar) and then told Michael the dangers and said that it wasn't safe to use.

Edit: Here it is the actual events according to her

He said 'Find me an anesthesiologist, I don't care how much money they want, find me an anesthesiologist to be with me here overnight and give me this IV.'"

Jackson, Lee said, said he was in extreme discomfort, was desperate for sleep and said that one side of his body was hot and the other side was cold.

Lee said wasn't familiar with the drug when he first asked for it three months ago, but, after consulting with a doctor, warned Jackson it could kill him.

"'I look at you Michael and I've been around you long enough now, I love you as family. I would not give this to anyone,'" Lee said she told Jackson. "I said, 'This is not a safe medicine, please don't take this.'"

Lee said Jackson had often complained of not being able to sleep more than a few hours at a time and the man who would often watch Donald Duck cartoons in bed, trying to sleep. "'The problem with you telling me you want to be knocked out,'" She says she told him, is "'you might not wake up the next morning. You don't want that.'"

But Jackson, she said, was convinced he'd be OK, telling her that his doctors had said it was safe as long as someone was monitoring him.

http://abcnews.go.com/Entertainment/MichaelJackson/story?id=7975029&page=1
This is where I get angry out of all of this with Murray. He was doctor and I am sure he knew MJ was feeling hot and cold on one side. Why is world would Murray continue to give this drug even after this happen the same week? I believe Ms. Lee and I am sure Michael is looking down from heaven now saying he wish he would have listen. The fact that this drug should be used in a hospital only with the RIGHT equipment is enough to know this should not have been use. And if MJ needed to use all of this to perform, I wish he just would have retired and did other things beside perform. Now look, he is gone from all of it including all of the people who loved him.
 
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This thread is very informative, thank you all for the intelligent discussion. It's very much appreciated!
 
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I have read upto page 9 of this thread, so if anything I say has already been said then apologies.

The Murray contract - I read the AEG lawsuit and to me it said Murray signed it on June 15th ( and this was the day he wrote to his patients to say he was leaving his practice) after which the contract went to Michael to sign. As Michael did not sign it, Murray can't claim payment for any of his services. Sorry about that Murray.

I have heard that the 60th wedding anniversary was 14th May, not 3 weeks before 25th June. By all accounts Michael was 'well' at that time, although it is possible he was under some medication even then.

I have seen other doctors discuss prescription medication abuse on tv, and it seems that people who do this are not spaced out 24 hours a day. Witnesses have said Michael was groggy on leaving the house, after visits to Klein, and after rehearsals, NOT ALL THE TIME.

I repeat NOT ALL THE TIME.

But he got worse from around 1st June ish. So perhaps things escalated from that point onwards, and that is what the lawsuit is about. The fact that after this date he was noticeably affected, and AEG did nothing but pressure him?

I'm glad the lawsuit has been filed. But we do need those supporting documents.
 
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:agree:
Autumn, I fully agree with your posts...
thank you...:yes::victory:
 
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Autumn, I fully agree with your posts...
thank you...:yes::victory:

You're welcome. There is what we know factually, i.e. can be backed up with documentation, and there is also what we know in terms of a pattern. In a civil suit, the burden of proof is preponderance-of-evidence, not beyond-a-reasonable doubt. So a pattern of behaviors on the parts of those named in the lawsuit will be admissible in court. Just FYI, there.

I've never known exactly what to think about Cheryln Lee, or if anything she said is the truth. She popped out of nowhere, and submerged again. There is NO POSSIBILITY that a nurse would not know the medication, "propofol." It's a very commonly used anesthetic in hospitals and clinics, and if she did not know this drug, she needed to go back to nursing school.

The emails back and forth from Murray to "someone" ("Tim") at AEG show that Murray asked for not one, but TWO "extracorporeal CPR machines." One at the venue, and one at Michael's home. I repeat, this is very different from a defibrillator, which can be commonly found now at airports and large public buildings. The machines Murray asked for are only used during surgery (usually cardiac), and in Intensive Care. They are not used for rescue, but for life-support if someone's heart has stopped -- intentionally stopped, as in cardiac surgery, or due to some other, extreme, factor. If this did not raise red-flags, then I don't know what would have?
 
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I've never known exactly what to think about Cheryln Lee, of if anything she said is the truth. She popped out of nowhere, and submerged again. There is NO POSSIBILITY that a nurse would not know the medication, "propofol." It's a very commonly used anesthetic in hospitals and clinics, and if she did not know this drug, she needed to go back to nursing school.

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She must've got her degree from Trinidad like Murray. :no::yes:?

Poor Michael, why oh why all this incompetence and shenanigans around you?:(
 
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The emails back and forth from Murray to "someone" ("Tim") at AEG show that Murray asked for not one, but TWO "extracorporeal CPR machines." One at the venue, and one at Michael's home. I repeat, this is very different from a defibrillator, which can be commonly found now at airports and large public buildings. The machines Murray asked for are only used during surgery (usually cardiac), and in Intensive Care. They are not used for rescue, but for life-support if someone's heart has stopped -- intentionally stopped, as in cardiac surgery, or due to some other, extreme, factor. If this did not raise red-flags, then I don't know what would have?

I believe what Murray wanted was 2 regular defibrillator machines. I'd be surprised if there isn't at least one at the O2 anyway (as there are in airports, shopping malls etc as you have mentioned above). They are formally known as AEDs: Automated External (External being synonymous in this situation with "extracorporeal" i.e outside the body) Defibrillators. They are only really capable of assessing the hearts rhythm and delivering shocks, if indicated.

The type of machine used during cardiac bypass surgery is far more complex, as you have alluded to, and it simply cannot be used outside of a hospital environment. The machine essentially takes over the function of the heart and lungs by oxygenating blood which is removed from the body via a catheter and returned back via a 'pump'.

Unsurprisingly, it's use requires a team of highly trained staff to monitor the patient & the machine itself and, of course, a sterile environment. Therefore actually placing a patient on this type of machine (or "on bypass") is a considerable undertaking and categorically not one that Murray could be capable of alone whether backstage or at what was to be Michael's home. Not to mention, the nearest teaching hospital with bypass facilities (in the extremely unlikely event that such facilities were required) is only 15-20 minutes drive from where Michael was supposed to have stayed last summer and closer still to the O2 itself. Given all this, it is extremely unlikely that Murray was requesting this type of equipment in my opinion and was far more likely to have been seeking the more commonly used defibrillators/AEDs.
 
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The type of machine used during cardiac bypass surgery is far more complex, as you have alluded to, and it simply cannot be used outside of a hospital environment. The machine essentially takes over the function of the heart and lungs by oxygenating blood which is removed from the body via a catheter and returned back via a 'pump'.

Exactly. And that is exactly what he asked for, in writing, in an email (text available online). Hence, the red-flags!

This is the extra corporeal CPR machine that he asked for.


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Unsurprisingly, it's use requires a team of highly trained staff to monitor the patient & the machine itself and, of course, a sterile environment. Therefore actually placing a patient on this type of machine (or "on bypass") is a considerable undertaking and categorically not one that Murray could be capable of alone whether backstage or at what was to be Michael's home. Not to mention, the nearest teaching hospital with bypass facilities is only 15-20 minutes drive from where Michael was supposed to have stayed last summer and closer still to the O2 itself. Given all this, it is extremely unlikely that Murray was requesting this type of equipment in my opinion and was far more likely to have been seeking the more commonly used defibrillators/AEDs.

This is the defribrillator, commonly found in airports, etc. He did not ask for this. . . .

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He was also asking for additional personnel. There is no confusion about what he was asking for. As a cardiologist, he certainly knew what a defribillator was. But, he didn't ask for that. . . . Unless he was so intellectually challenged and/or under-educated in medicine, that he had no idea what he was asking for? Doubtful, that he didn't know. . . This is an incredibly bizarre request, but yet, he DID make it.
 
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There is a whole lot more going on here than we know. I wonder if Murrary was even going to London.
Something DANGEROUS? :bugeyed Absolutely!!! :mat::angry: damn murrary
 
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Exactly. And that is exactly what he asked for, in writing, in an email (text available online). Hence, the red-flags!

This is the extra corporeal CPR machine that he asked for.


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This is the defribrillator, commonly found in airports, etc. He did not ask for this. . . .

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He was also asking for additional personnel. There is no confusion about what he was asking for. As a cardiologist, he certainly knew what a defribillator was. But, he didn't ask for that. . . . Unless he was so intellectually challenged and/or under-educated in medicine, that he had no idea what he was asking for? Doubtful, that he didn't know. . . This is an incredibly bizarre request, but yet, he DID make it.

I've read the email, or as much as I could from the CNN report, detailing the request for equipment.

As far as I am aware, he was only asking for one nurse in terms of additional staff. If you have witnessed a patient actually be placed on bypass it is clear how much of an impossibility it would be to even contemplate attempting such a procedure with one nurse and one cardiologist - in a hospital, nevermind backstage or in the home. As much as I consider Murray to be one of the biggest affronts to the medical profession, in my professional opinion it is extremely unlikely, if not impossible, that this is what he was requesting for the reasons I have already stated. But we may have to agree to disagree on this one...time will, no doubt, tell :)
 
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I've read the email, or as much as I could from the CNN report, detailing the request for equipment.

As far as I am aware, he was only asking for one nurse in terms of additional staff. If you have witnessed a patient actually be placed on bypass it is clear how much of an impossibility it would be to even contemplate attempting such a procedure with one nurse and one cardiologist - in a hospital, nevermind backstage or in the home. As much as I consider Murray to be one of the biggest affronts to the medical profession, in my professional opinion it is extremely unlikely, if not impossible, that this is what he was requesting for the reasons I have already stated. But we may have to agree to disagree on this one...time will, no doubt, tell :)

Actually, we DO agree on, that Murray was one of the biggest affronts to the medical profession. Sure it's unlikely/impossible. But yet, that IS really what the request was for -- incredibly, a "cardiac bypass machine" -- and Michael IS dead, so something sure as hell went incredibly WRONG?

Murray did study some cardiology in med-school, but was not certified in it. (FYI.) I'm really not sure what was going on, but if he was stupid enough to give propofol in a home setting, why stop there? Maybe delusions of grandeur? Sure, why not ask for a bypass machine, if he felt somehow god-like? (We don't really know anything about Murray's psychological make-up, do we? Other than he seemed to feel that all the world's women were available to him to make his babies, even though he couldn't support them? Whatever.) But yeah, he was asking for EXACTLY that, and THAT. . .is insane.

As far as "time will tell?" I doubt it. This all is locked up tighter than NORAD or Fort Knox.
 
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Actually, we DO agree on, that Murray was one of the biggest affronts to the medical profession. Sure it's unlikely/impossible. But yet, that IS really what the request was for -- incredibly, a "cardiac bypass machine" -- and Michael IS dead, so something sure as hell went incredibly WRONG?

Murray did study some cardiology in med-school, but was not certified in it. (FYI.) I'm really not sure what was going on, but if he was stupid enough to give propofol in a home setting, why stop there? Maybe delusions of grandeur? Sure, why not ask for a bypass machine, if he felt somehow god-like? (We don't really know anything about Murray's psychological make-up, do we? Other than he seemed to feel that all the world's women were available to him to make his babies, even though he couldn't support them? Whatever.) But yeah, he was asking for EXACTLY that, and THAT. . .is insane.

As far as "time will tell?" I doubt it. This all is locked up tighter than NORAD or Fort Knox.

Please believe me when I say I am not supporting CM in any way, shape or form. What I am wondering is whether or not it can be verified that he did indeed do a Fellowship in interventional cardiology at Loma Linda University, Sharp Memorial Hospital in San Diego, and UCSD in San Diego. A Fellowship is way-way beyond medical school. You've got Medical School, Internship, Residency, and finally Fellowship. To make it to Fellowship in a major Medical Center is no small fete. Can this be verified, and how?

I can't locate the exact wording of what CM requested, could you provide a link for that since it is available online and I can't seem to find it. That would help me in better understanding things, medical terminology wise.

Bottom line, irregardless of his credentials, he gave the Propofol and other meds found in the autopsy, his "monitoring" abilities were limited at best if we go by what has been reported, his "absence" for however long (which is up for grabs depending upon which report you read), etc.

The only thing I can't agree on without documented verification is whether or not he had completed a Fellowship in Interventional Cardiology, no small fete, if true; that goes far and beyond simply studying Cardiology in "medical school". Loma Linda is a recognized and respected teaching hospital in So. Cal. California. UCSD and Sharp Hospitals in San Diego are also 2 major medical centers. I can only speak on this having worked at both of them as a Critical Care Nurse.

None of this negates his apparent total lack of professional behavior in his care of Michael.




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I am wondering is whether or not it can be verified that he did indeed do a Fellowship in interventional cardiology at Loma Linda University, Sharp Memorial Hospital in San Diego, and UCSD in San Diego. A Fellowship is way-way beyond medical school. You've got Medical School, Internship, Residency, and finally Fellowship. To make it to Fellowship in a major Medical Center is no small fete. Can this be verified, and how?

Yes! It can be verified and should be available by doing a professional, credentials backgound check.
It will cost us; I am not sure how much though but if the DA and attorney's have it all blocked, we can't accesses it.
...USAsearch.com will do the work.
 
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I am wondering is whether or not it can be verified that he did indeed do a Fellowship in interventional cardiology at Loma Linda University, Sharp Memorial Hospital in San Diego, and UCSD in San Diego. A Fellowship is way-way beyond medical school. You've got Medical School, Internship, Residency, and finally Fellowship. To make it to Fellowship in a major Medical Center is no small fete. Can this be verified, and how?

Yes! It can be verified and should be available by doing a professional, credentials backgound check.
It will cost us; I am not sure how much though but if the DA and attorney's have it all blocked, we can't accesses it.
...USAsearch.com will do the work.


I'm writing myself a reminder to call the Medical Library and/or physician information databank at my hosital tomorrow and ask how I can verify a physician's reported credentials, training, etc. It's entered my mind to do this in the past, but I've always forgotten about it with other things in my life taking precedence.

It strikes me as odd that one must "PAY" for info regarding any physician that you or I may be considering as a medical care provider. Using the internet for something like this seems to have it's own set of restrictions, but considering the huge push recently for taking responsibility for our own medical decisions, I would certainly think info would be more readily available.
 
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I'm writing myself a reminder to call the Medical Library and/or physician information databank at my hosital tomorrow and ask how I can verify a physician's reported credentials, training, etc. It's entered my mind to do this in the past, but I've always forgotten about it with other things in my life taking precedence.

It strikes me as odd that one must "PAY" for info regarding any physician that you or I may be considering as a medical care provider. Using the internet for something like this seems to have it's own set of restrictions, but considering the huge push recently for taking responsibility for our own medical decisions, I would certainly think info would be more readily available.

Agreed. keep us posted. Thanks.
 
Re: Wrongful death lawsuits - Katherine and MJ's kids sue AEG / Murray responds to Joe's lawsuit

I'm writing myself a reminder to call the Medical Library and/or physician information databank at my hosital tomorrow and ask how I can verify a physician's reported credentials, training, etc. It's entered my mind to do this in the past, but I've always forgotten about it with other things in my life taking precedence.

It strikes me as odd that one must "PAY" for info regarding any physician that you or I may be considering as a medical care provider. Using the internet for something like this seems to have it's own set of restrictions, but considering the huge push recently for taking responsibility for our own medical decisions, I would certainly think info would be more readily available.



yeah keep us posted
 
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Conrad Murray to Joe Jackson: Objection!!!
3 minutes ago by TMZ Staff

Dr. Conrad Murray is making it clear -- he will fight Joe Jackson tooth and nail in the Michael Jackson wrongful death lawsuit.


In new legal documents -- obtained by TMZ -- Dr. Murray's lawyer, Charles Peckham, is asking the judge to throw out statements attributed to Michael Jackson ... that Katherine Jackson was acting as an agent -- a go-between -- in funneling support money to Joe.

Peckham says the claims that Katherine was Michael's agent -- made by Joe's lawyer, Brian Oxman, and Leonard Rowe, the self-proclaimed former MJ advisor, are nothing but rank hearsay.

For example, Oxman said in legal papers filed last week, "[Michael Jackson] supported his father, Joseph Jackson, by making payments to his mother, Katherine Jackson, on a monthly basis." Peckham calls Oxman an "incompetent legal expert."

Peckham also claims there is no proof Rowe ever served as Michael's advisor.
 
EXCLUSIVE: 'Puppet' Katherine Jackson Being Controlled By Son Randy & Naked Wrestling BossEXCLUSIVE: 'Puppet' Katherine Jackson Being Controlled By Son Randy & Naked Wrestling Boss

Katherine Jackson was persuaded by her son, Randy, to file the wrongful death lawsuit against AEG, RadarOnline.com has exclusively learned.

“Katherine didn't want to sue AEG for Michael's death,” a source with knowledge of the situation tells us.

“Katherine was ultimately swayed by her son Randy to sue AEG.

“Most people assume that the lawsuit was Joe's -- and that Joe controls Katherine, but Randy has much more control of Katherine than Joe does.

Joe spends a majority of his time in Las Vegas.

“Randy lives in Southern California and sees Katherine at least 4-5 times a week."

The wrongful death lawsuit that Katherine filed against AEG stunned even her closest advisers who weren't notified about the action.

“Katherine has a couple of business associates that are independent of any Jackson family control or influence,” said the source.

“Those associates weren't told about the lawsuit and were absolutely stunned, as they had advised her in the past not to sue AEG.”

Michael's three children, who live at the Jackson family Encino compound, are going to have to endure their dad's name being dragged through the mud again, the source claimed.

Michael's children are going to suffer the most because of this lawsuit,” added the source.

“It's truly sad that they are going to have to go through this. The kids will hear unflattering things about their dad because of this lawsuit.

“They are the real victims in all of this.”

Randy Jackson is responsible for introducing Howard Mann, the founder of the Naked Women's Wrestling League, to his mom.

Said the source, “It was Howard Mann's idea to have Katherine and Joe appear on The Oprah Winfrey Show.

“Katherine is for all intents and purposes a puppet for Randy and Howard for financial gain for the two of them

"Katherine is biting the hand that feeds her by suing AEG.

“One of the reasons Michael's estate is getting out of the red, and making a profit, is because of the footage AEG shot of Michael during his rehearsals, which ended up being turned into the movie that has made the estate very, very rich.”

http://www.radaronline.com/exclusiv...on-being-controlled-son-randy-naked-wrestling
 
Re: Wrongful death lawsuits - Katherine and MJ's kids sue AEG / Murray responds to Joe's lawsuit

Conrad Murray to Joe Jackson: Objection!!!
3 minutes ago by TMZ Staff

Dr. Conrad Murray is making it clear -- he will fight Joe Jackson tooth and nail in the Michael Jackson wrongful death lawsuit.


In new legal documents -- obtained by TMZ -- Dr. Murray's lawyer, Charles Peckham, is asking the judge to throw out statements attributed to Michael Jackson ... that Katherine Jackson was acting as an agent -- a go-between -- in funneling support money to Joe.

Peckham says the claims that Katherine was Michael's agent -- made by Joe's lawyer, Brian Oxman, and Leonard Rowe, the self-proclaimed former MJ advisor, are nothing but rank hearsay.

For example, Oxman said in legal papers filed last week, "[Michael Jackson] supported his father, Joseph Jackson, by making payments to his mother, Katherine Jackson, on a monthly basis." Peckham calls Oxman an "incompetent legal expert."

Peckham also claims there is no proof Rowe ever served as Michael's advisor.

I guess everyone saw this coming.
 
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Murray's team is winning the media game. Obviously, his lawyer is smarter and more competent that that imbecile, that shall remain nameless.
 
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