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Taryll Jackson tweets...

:smilerolleyes:because most fans had "stolen" the album from the internet already and they had to find excuse to save their 10 buck? If the album didn't went to Number 1, Media will have the field day to trash Michael again, actually some tabloids already did it. Yesterday most people were surprise and exciting of how good this ablum turned out to be, and a couple of hours later, we had this crap again.
 
loveforever said:
:smilerolleyes:because most fans had "stolen" the album from the internet already and they had to find excuse to save their 10 buck? If the album didn't went to Number 1, Media will have the field day to trash Michael again, actually some tabloids already did it. Yesterday most people were surprise and exciting of how good this ablum turned out to be, and a couple of hours later, we had this crap again.
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I haven't listened to the album yet :) and believe me, when I finally buy my copy from a store and listen to it, I'll be like "Taryll who?? let me just push the play button again and listen to the album once more!"
 
deano said:
Ah, but Taryll gets money/fame from this track. Just not enough money/fame obviously though.

Taryll, and a lot of the other Jacksons, would have; written, produced, sang, played on, every bloody song on the album if they could have. They probably would have even had themselves on the front cover with Joe smiling in the middle!

Michael had some problems with 'hangers-on', but rarely were there worse than some of his own family!
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I agree with the Joe smiling in the middle ( LOL...)
 
deano said:
But surely, "if voices are like finger prints", Taryll would be able to get his own 'expert' to say the opposite?

Or perhaps the Jacksons have, but they didn't like the results??

If Taryll and the rest of the "I'm not happy because I wanted more money from Michael's estate" gang had anything 'solid', they wouldn't be pissing about with meaningless Tweets!

Surely there is a Job Centre where Taryll lives? Can someone tell him the address please?
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Aren't we faithful fans all some kind of experts when it comes to MJ's vocals and music?

Aren't we divided?

So would experts be!

And that without Taryll's intervention.
 
It's a control thing...Many of the Jacksons are very angry about not having total control of the estate and it's projects, and I don't doubt that Taryll is one of them.
 
czechstar said:
I remember when Teddy and I were at Encore listening to KYHU. We both knew it wasn't my Uncle. He stopped working on it because (and I quote) "it didn't sound enough like Michael. Michael doesn't swing like that."
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czechstar said:
I'll never forget when Teddy called me telling me, "I'm so excited, I finally got a 'Michael record.' It's called Hollywood Tonight and it's him."
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:agree:
 
BUMPER SNIPPET said:
Aren't we faithful fans all some kind of experts when it comes to MJ's vocals and music?

Aren't we divided?

So would experts be!

And that without Taryll's intervention.
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aaawww, don't deny him his glory!!! it was him who started all this a couple of days before the Breaking News release. I know everyone will now say that "I have my own ears to judge", but we all must admit that a seed of doubt was put in own minds by his tweets, because up to that point 3T's reputation was cristal clear and we all trusted them. Even though we didn't take his tweets seriously, they planted a question "Is it him or not him?" And we listened with that question in our heads. I can say for myself, that the first thing I told my friends was not "wow, it's a beautiful song!" (even though I liked it from the first listen), it was "you, guys, it's Michael's voice". And I am sure every fan's first thought was either "it's him" or "it's not him" because we were all prepared for that controversy by Taryll!
 
BUMPER SNIPPET said:
I am sorry, but some of you are missing the point! Regardless what Taryll says, I am referring for my part to what I hear on the album. I don't hear Michael on the three songs and i don't have a slightest doubt about the remaining 7 songs which are all Michael's!

Taryll can change his opinion tomorrow, my ears will still not hear Michael on these three tracks.

@Smooth_Criminal05 not long ago you said your source from SONY told you that a singer was hired to fill in the blanks for more than 50% on those tracks!

Afterwards you twisted your quote into saying that it was only your source's opinion!

Today you vehemently defend those tracks as being authentic! Did you receive some money?
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^^^This ^^^
 
JMie said:
aaawww, don't deny him his glory!!! it was him who started all this a couple of days before the Breaking News release. I know everyone will now say that "I have my own ears to judge", but we all must admit that a seed of doubt was put in own minds by his tweets, because up to that point 3T's reputation was cristal clear and we all trusted them. Even though we didn't take his tweets seriously, they planted a question "Is it him or not him?" And we listened with that question in our heads. I can say for myself, that the first thing I told my friends was not "wow, it's a beautiful song!" (even though I liked it from the first listen), it was "you, guys, it's Michael's voice". And I am sure every fan's first thought was either "it's him" or "it's not him" because we were all prepared for that controversy by Taryll!
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I don't agree!

I was not aware of his twitter thing untill after I heard Breaking News.

I don't have twitter by the way.

But my wife and I were awaiting eagerly to hear the song on www.michaeljackson.com we both found the rhythm catchy, but both wondered if we had just heard Michael or someone else! It just didn't sound MJ!
 
BUMPER SNIPPET said:
Aren't we faithful fans all some kind of experts when it comes to MJ's vocals and music?

Aren't we divided?

So would experts be!
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ahh no.

first of all we aren't experts (per legal definition) we are just long term fans that states and opinions based on our ears and gut feelings. We are all stating subjective opinions (which wouldn't matter in a court of law).

However forensic experts use predetermined methods that has a relatively objective determination method. For example you have DNA tests, fingerprint tests that has a road-map for comparison, written techniques used and comes with results that are 95% - 99% certain. Similarly forensic music experts should be able to determine the authenticity of vocals to some certainty. Of course it wouldn't be perfect but they would be better than any subjective opinion. Plus if analyses are legit you would expect them yield similar results.

and even if you get torn experts with differentiated reports that helps Taryll to prove that the vocals are really questionable.
 
Giant Enemy Cat said:
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I thought the sensible ones among us had already agreed that Taryll talks bollocks?

Also, "It doesn't sound ENOUGH like Michael" does not mean "It's not Michael" - unless you live in 'Taryll's world' that is.

Secondly, sorry to burst your little bubble, there are lots of tracks that I would say are not "Michael tracks". Tracks that he has put out but are not really what people would associate him with - but they still had Michael Jackson on them.

Perhaps Teddy meant "This is Michael" meaning "This is what I expect from Michael"?

Perhaps Taryll just wants to twist what was said to fit his 'aganda'?

As others have already said though - "Tell it to the Judge Taryll, or shut the fuc* up man!"
 
JMie said:
I am also defending the tracks. Where should I get my money? No one told me you get money for defending the tracks. How much money exactly am I missing?
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Well don't you see that every time when someone says it is not authentic you all think people say it because they are out for money.

We can also reverse the situation and say, ok, you think it is authentic, then you must have received some money.
 
Big Apple2 said:
I'm sorry but if "Billie Jean Jackson" can go to court with her CRAZY claims over and over again, then Taryll Jackson can certainly go to court with claims that he claims have merit. The fact that he has not filed some sort of suit leads me to believe that he is NOT sure himself. Just my opinion.

Continuing to complain on Twitter just makes him seem like a high school senior complaining about the MEAN GIRLS. LOL!

Action speaks louder then words, so I say: Put Up OR Shut Up!

I'll tell you one thing I notice. He has a lot of PASSION for this situation, too bad he didn't show the same PASSION when Oxman was running around calling his DEAR Uncle a "drug addict" 2 seconds after his Uncle passed away. To my knowledge, Taryll never tweeted about that!

Where were his PASSIONATE Tweets when Klein and Lester were making their outrageous claims regarding Michael's children. To my knowledge, Taryll never tweeted about that!

Where were his PASSIONATE Tweets when the Mann contract was made publc and everybody saw how Mr. Mann is basically ripping off Grandma Katherine. Folks are OBVIOUSLY taking advantage of his elderly grandmother. Where are Taryll's angry tweets regarding that? What's the message there, it's okay to shop on Mann's crooked site, but it's not okay to buy my Uncle's new album.

I smell AGENDA and it has nothing to do with Michael's legacy, as far as I'm concerned!
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:clapping::clapping::clapping::clapping:

some Taryll's supporters here said Taryll is too poor to take legal action, he had no choice but whining on his twitter... blah, blah... where is he or his "concern" on twitter when those things happened if he really cared about his uncle's wishes as he claimed?
 
ivy, I like your siggy! lol

I also love someone else's siggy with your quote explaining the difference between "sh*t" and "the sh*t" haha

(sorry for offtopic)
 
smooth_criminal05 said:
I can't believe this thread is getting this much attention. We have a new album only 3 to 6 days away (depending where you are) and many in here are obsessing over some attention seeking nephew who has zero credibility.

Let's get the focus back on the album!
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SC, why did you avoid answering my post the other day re 'consultancy payments' a la Raffles?
 
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Tsukiji said:
It's a control thing...Many of the Jacksons are very angry about not having total control of the estate and it's projects, and I don't doubt that Taryll is one of them.
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YEP!

In my opinion, it's the "This Is NOT It" campaign all over again. You know the movie wherein they used a FAKE Michael. LOL!

When "some" folks in the family don't get their way, the project is deemed a FAKE.

Watch what happens when the Cirque du Soleil project is released. I mean, Joe Jackson already said that he does not support it. I wonder how many OTHER family members will jump on Joe's bandwagon.
 
BUMPER SNIPPET said:
Well don't you see that every time when someone says it is not authentic you all think people say it because they are out for money.

We can also reverse the situation and say, ok, you think it is authentic, then you must have received some money.
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actually, no, I don't think that about people on forums who don't believe the songs are real. I dont' think they are saying that because they were paid. I am actually rather tired of the money accusations going both sides.
 
Big Apple2 said:
I'm sorry but if "Billie Jean Jackson" can go to court with her CRAZY claims over and over again, then Taryll Jackson can certainly go to court with claims that he claims have merit. The fact that he has not filed some sort of suit leads me to believe that he is NOT sure himself. Just my opinion.

Continuing to complain on Twitter just makes him seem like a high school senior complaining about the MEAN GIRLS. LOL!

Action speaks louder then words, so I say: Put Up OR Shut Up!

I'll tell you one thing I notice. He has a lot of PASSION for this situation, too bad he didn't show the same PASSION when Oxman was running around calling his DEAR Uncle a "drug addict" 2 seconds after his Uncle passed away. To my knowledge, Taryll never tweeted about that!

Where were his PASSIONATE Tweets when Klein and Lester were making their outrageous claims regarding Michael's children. To my knowledge, Taryll never tweeted about that!

Where were his PASSIONATE Tweets when the Mann contract was made publc and everybody saw how Mr. Mann is basically ripping off Grandma Katherine. Folks are OBVIOUSLY taking advantage of his elderly grandmother. Where are Taryll's angry tweets regarding that? What's the message there, it's okay to shop on Mann's crooked site, but it's not okay to buy my Uncle's new album.

I smell AGENDA and it has nothing to do with Michael's legacy, as far as I'm concerned!
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amen :agree:
 
ivy said:
ahh no.

first of all we aren't experts (per legal definition) we are just long term fans that states and opinions based on our ears and gut feelings. We are all stating subjective opinions (which wouldn't matter in a court of law).

However forensic experts use predetermined methods that has a relatively objective determination method. For example you have DNA tests, fingerprint tests that has a road-map for comparison, written techniques used and comes with results that are 95% - 99% certain. Similarly forensic music experts should be able to determine the authenticity of vocals to some certainty. Of course it wouldn't be perfect but they would be better than any subjective opinion.

Plus even if you get torn experts with differentiated reports that helps Taryll to prove that the vocals are really questionable.
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And I say that after decades of Michael's voice in our ears you cannot ignore the fact that his voice has become extremely familiar to us and that we could recognize him beyond any doubt in any song!

Here is one "gut" proof as you call it.

When I listened to Stevie Wonder's CD "Hotter than july", all I wanted is the song "Master Blaster Jammin' ". But when I heard for the first time "All I do" I didn't really like the song, but despite that I could swear that I heard Michael in this song in the chorus among many other voices!

Michael to us fans has such a distinctive voice. I checked the credits and indeed Michael was the part of the background chorus!

Here I hear the lead vocal and I don't hear Michael!
 
I agree BigApple!

The family is saying everything is fake because they have no control of it. You bet if Jermaine, Joe and others were able to control the estate they wouldn't care who's voice was on those songs as long as they had control and were getting paid.

We have one month to go until the preliminary hearing for Murray, I would like to see the Jackson family use as much effort in pursuing justice as they are for these songs and the estate.
 
deano said:
There is a guy on this forum who is an 'expert' on voice recognition.

He said that all voices are like a finger print - no two are alike - and that a specialist would be able to prove if Michael was singing on the 3 songs or not.

Here's an idea! Why doesn't Taryll get a 'voice expert' to analyse the tracks to prove it's NOT Michael!!??

Great idea or what!?

Oh wait a minute..............someone's already done that haven't they? And it IS him!

Epic fail Taryll - now go get a real job son.
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It's not a question of whether or not it is Mike singing on these tracks. It is a question of how fragments of Mike's vocals were cut and pasted together and augmented with samples from other (totally unconnected) recordings in such a way as to mislead the listener into thinking that the 'performance' is MJ's.
 
Go Flying said:
It's not a question of whether or not it is Mike singing on these tracks. It is a question of how fragments of Mike's vocals were cut and pasted together and augmented with samples from other (totally unconnected) recordings in such a way as to mislead the listener into thinking that the 'performance' is MJ's.
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what do you mean? like, the first line of Breaking News was recorded at one session and the second line was recorded in a different place and a different time?
 
MICHAEL is totally Michael Jackson. 100%. Case closed.

Please, enough with these childish games and conspiracy theories. This is probably some kind of crazy publicity stunt anyway, just to keep everyone (including the press) talking and guessing, then having to buy the album to find out themselves. It's actually kind of ingenious, in a bizarre and twisted way. But, hey, in today's world, I wouldn't be the least bit surprised...
 
Definition of SLANDER

http://www.lectlaw.com/def2/s052.htm

Teddy shouldn't even bother but if he did have unlimited funds, he should sue the pants off this guy. Stating as a fact that someone is lying is complete slander in every way.
 
StacyJ said:
We have one month to go until the preliminary hearing for Murray, I would like to see the Jackson family use as much effort in pursuing justice as they are for these songs and the estate.
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Did any of the TWEETING Jackson's ever say a word about Murray continuing to keep his medical license!

Now that's a tweeting campaign they should have ALL gotten behind, but to my knowledge, NOBODY in the family said a word via their Twitter accounts.

I guess that doesn't fit in their "we want CONTROL agenda," in my opinion.
 
BUMPER SNIPPET said:
And I say that after decades of Michael's voice in our ears you cannot ignore the fact that his voice has become extremely familiar to us and that we could recognize him beyond any doubt in any song!

Here is one "gut" proof as you call it.
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and it's completely fine to have an opinion based on our personal experiences. That's your opinion and you are entitled to it (as I'm entitled to mine).

If you read my post carefully I said that it wouldn't matter in a court of law as it's subjective (My opinion doesn't matter either so does anyone else's). We aren't using any techniques, calculations etc to come to our conclusions we just based it on the argument that "we listened to Michael for decades and we know him".
 
Dutchie said:
I don't understand why people are having a go at Taryll. He has been really close to Michael ever since he was little (as well as his brothers), they have spent a lot of time in the studio together and he is spending a lot of time with Prince, Paris and Blanket taking them places and making sure they have a nice childhood while dealing with the loss of their dad. They KNOW how Michael's children must feel, because 3t lost their mother at a young age.

Taryll is speaking out and he is so far the ONLY ONE being honest. Taryll doesn't gain anything from the things he is saying, he is simply putting the truth out there.

I am dissapointed at some of Michael's fans for the things they say about Taryll, Taj and TJ. These boys deserve respect.
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Totally agree with this post :punk:
 
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