Cascio track are really Michael, believe or not. I'm going to prove it. (Some explanation here.)

[kopwatcher]

All the people who believe the vocals are real will say 'sterling job', everyone else will not be interested. It's human nature to only be interested in evidence that supports your opinion. To that end, it may have been more useful if analysis was conducted by someone who wasn't biased and trying to prove one way or another.

That is all.

 

[Arklove]

Topflux, I appreciate your work and that you posted it here...I still don't hear a difference though....

 

[wolfrevenant]

All the people who believe the vocals are real will say 'sterling job', everyone else will not be interested. It's human nature to only be interested in evidence that supports your opinion. To that end, it may have been more useful if analysis was conducted by someone who wasn't biased and trying to prove one way or another.

That is all.

Either that, or we need a deeper, more scientific approach to analysing these tracks. One can edit these tracks as much as they see fit, but if it still boils down to having people actually listen to these tracks to make a judgement, then you're still going to get very biased views, and neither groups of opinions are going to budge.

Of course, drawing conclusions from a scientific analysis of the tracks may still be subjective, but I suppose it's more of a "respected" approach that people can reasonably agree/disagree on.

 

[love is magical]

I appreciate people's effort in "proving" Michael is on the tracks.

At the same time, this whole situation is very exhausting. I haven't even got a copy of the album; but, I felt so worn out.

What other Michael Jackson song that required fans to run all sort of pitching up, pitching down, striping vocals, remixing, etc. to make Michael's vocal more clear?

TBH, even the vocals are 100% genuine, Keep Your Head Up, Monster and Breaking News aren't really that great. There is nothing innovative or unforgettable about those tracks. I have no problem in saying this in front of Michael. I'm not trashing the songs, but those songs are not significant additions to the legendary Michael Jackson catalog.

I'm still puzzled by the Estate's decision to include those tracks. I guess people ike us, who are scratching heads and whose hair is falling down, remain the minority. The casual fans and the public who don't breath Michael's music everyday won't know the difference.

 

[love is magical]

Either that, or we need a deeper, more scientific approach to analysing these tracks. One can edit these tracks as much as they see fit, but if it still boils down to having people actually listen to these tracks to make a judgement, then you're still going to get very biased views, and neither groups of opinions are going to budge.

Of course, drawing conclusions from a scientific analysis of the tracks may still be subjective, but I suppose it's more of a "respected" approach that people can reasonably agree/disagree on.

I agree people can manipulate the mix the way they seen fit. Seriously, none of the "evidence" presented here is objective.

 

[BUMPER SNIPPET]

I appreciate people's effort in "proving" Michael is on the tracks.

At the same time, this whole situation is very exhausting. I haven't even got a copy of the album; but, I felt so worn out.

What other Michael Jackson song that required fans to run all sort of pitching up, pitching down, striping vocals, remixing, etc. to make Michael's vocal more clear?

TBH, even the vocals are 100% genuine, Keep Your Head Up, Monster and Breaking News aren't really that great. There is nothing innovative or unforgettable about those tracks. I have no problem in saying this in front of Michael. I'm not trashing the songs, but those songs are not significant additions to the legendary Michael Jackson catalog.

I'm still puzzled by the Estate's decision to include those tracks. I guess people ike us, who are scratching heads and whose hair is falling down, remain the minority. The casual fans and the public who don't breath Michael's music everyday won't know the difference.

Hello, how are you? )))

 

[love is magical]

Hello, how are you? )))

Fabulous!:dancin:

 

[mjscarousal]

No there not

 

[Topflux]

I'm still puzzled by the Estate's decision to include those tracks. I guess people ike us, who are scratching heads and whose hair is falling down, remain the minority. The casual fans and the public who don't breath Michael's music everyday won't know the difference.

Probably the reasons were their message (Michael's strong thoughts) and that they were fairly new recordings. That's probably also the reason to have them on the album so "desperately". But I have to disagree that the songs wouldn't be that good. At least "Monster" is really good and it's arrangement, too. I like it much more than "Another Day" and "Hold My Hand" Michael hasn't any credits in writing. Probably "Breaking News" is my least favourite of these three and "Keep Your Head Up" would be better with less tweaking. Overally I think the album's musical quality is really great and it has a great flow.

 

[SLAYER]

What other Michael Jackson song that required fans to run all sort of pitching up, pitching down, striping vocals, remixing, etc. to make Michael's vocal more clear?

2000watts got us pitching up and down, and he was alive back then.

So as a conclusion, it would be interesting to know among the non-believers and believers what brands of stereo devices we use to listen to the three tracks to try to understand what makes us hear (or not) Michael's voice timbre and pitch.

Exactly :yes:

For my part I don't hear Michael when I listen to him neither on the computer SONY-VAIO nor on the loudspeakers connected CREATIVE connected to SONY VAIO.

Laptops are never meant to produce high quality audio (this would kill the battery), regardless of what speakers you use on them. this also applies to Desktop PCs WITHOUT a dedicated sound card. so even if you use sennheisers with headphone amps, if you don't have a good sound system, you wont hear good results.

of course most of us used our PCs/Laptops to listen to a crappy stream of a heavily processed, over produced demo that day... no wonder why people don't think it's him.

 

[loka]

Probably the reasons were their message (Michael's strong thoughts) and that they were fairly new recordings. That's probably also the reason to have them on the album so "desperately". But I have to disagree that the songs wouldn't be that good. At least "Monster" is really good and it's arrangement, too. I like it much more than "Another Day" and "Hold My Hand" Michael hasn't any credits in writing. Probably "Breaking News" is my least favourite of these three and "Keep Your Head Up" would be better with less tweaking. Overally I think the album's musical quality is really great and it has a great flow.

you only made a snippet...could you make the entire track ?

could you also explain once again what you did to the track !

i think it's interesting

 

[love is magical]

Probably the reasons were their message (Michael's strong thoughts) and that they were fairly new recordings. That's probably also the reason to have them on the album so "desperately". But I have to disagree that the songs wouldn't be that good. At least "Monster" is really good and it's arrangement, too. I like it much more than "Another Day" and "Hold My Hand" Michael hasn't any credits in writing. Probably "Breaking News" is my least favourite of these three and "Keep Your Head Up" would be better with less tweaking. Overally I think the album's musical quality is really great and it has a great flow.

I love Keep Your Head Up myself. I'm a sucker of inspirational songs. I found the lyrics to be beautiful. It's a message song that I can see Michael put in his album.

I'm not saying the three tracks are bad; but, they are simply not great. I don't see anything new and fresh in Monster and Breaking News. Overall, I don't find the tracks are strong enough. Just my opinion!

 

[BUMPER SNIPPET]

Well to my general surprise, despite the fact that I am having some problems in hearing Michael in the songs Monster and Breaking news on my computer, I hear him on my other stereo device.

But what is even more puzzling is that many people claim that ALL I NEED is not Michael, while I can hear even on my laptop that it is he who sings ALL I NEED!

 

[BUMPER SNIPPET]

I love Keep Your Head Up myself. I'm a sucker of inspirational songs. I found the lyrics to be beautiful. It's a message song that I can see Michael put in his album.

I'm not saying the three tracks are bad; but, they are simply not great. I don't see anything new and fresh in Monster and Breaking News. Overall, I don't find the tracks are strong enough. Just my opinion!

To me it sounds Michael. I gotta cd ;-)

 

[love is magical]

Laptops are never meant to produce high quality audio (this would kill the battery), regardless of what speakers you use on them. this also applies to Desktop PCs WITHOUT a dedicated sound card. so even if you use sennheisers with headphone amps, if you don't have a good sound system, you wont hear good results.

of course most of us used our PCs/Laptops to listen to a crappy stream of a heavily processed, over produced demo that day... no wonder why people don't think it's him.

The funny thing is why we don't need a quality sound system to hear him in DYKWYCA, Blue Gangster, etc.?

Don't get me wrong. I agree with you. When I heard the snippets streamed from HMV, I heard them with Bose speakers, they sound better.

Seriously, I find it a little ridiculous that we need good speakers and headphones in order to hear Michael Jackson's vocals.

I like hearing music with good headphones becasue I want to hear the sound of instruments more clearly, not becasue I need them to hear the lead vocalist more clearly.

 

[loka]

Well to my general surprise, despite the fact that I am having some problems in hearing Michael in the songs Monster and Breaking news on my computer, I hear him on my other stereo device.

But what is even more puzzling is that many people claim that ALL I NEED is not Michael, while I can hear even on my laptop that it is he who sings ALL I NEED!

I can hear him also on "all i need"

 

[love is magical]

To me it sounds Michael. I gotta cd ;-)

Aww... this is sweet... :wub:

 

[kopwatcher]

I can hear him also on "all i need"

I don't. Is that a Cascio song or not?

 

[Topflux]

I love Keep Your Head Up myself. I'm a sucker of inspirational songs. I found the lyrics to be beautiful. It's a message song that I can see Michael put in his album.

I'm not saying the three tracks are bad; but, they are simply not great. I don't see anything new and fresh in Monster and Breaking News. Overall, I don't find the tracks are strong enough. Just my opinion!

Well, what is "strong enough" then.. For a single or for an album. I think they are very much strong enough to be on the album because they are definitely not fillers. There are no fillers that is a good sign. For a single I think the only strong enough (of those three tracks) is "Monster".

 

[BUMPER SNIPPET]

I don't. Is that a Cascio song or not?

I have no idea if it's a Cascio song, but I know I hear Michael in the song ALL I NEED.

It's the same tone of voice you hear in SCARED OF THE MOON or LADY IN MY LIFE

 

[love is magical]

Well, what is "strong enough" then.. For a single or for an album. I think they are very much strong enough to be on the album because they are definitely not fillers. There are no fillers that is a good sign. For a single I think the only strong enough (of those three tracks) is "Monster".

Hmm... when I listen to Michael, I don't distinguish whether the song is a single or not. I truly think there isn't any filler in a Michael Jackson album. So, I don't think the songs, the way they are now, are strong enough to be officially on a Michael Jackson album.

 

[butterflies]

now where have you been? i just checked the forum title threads again and in case of the ones related to the cascio tracks, there's only 1 thread where people are being asked if they still believe it's fake and then 2 or more like "READ HERE, I HAVE PROOF IT'S MJ" with some silly theories.

Practically EVERY topic has people saying the Cascio tracks are fake. Check that.

 

[Topflux]

Hmm... when I listen to Michael, I don't distinguish whether the song is a single or not. I truly think there isn't any filler in a Michael Jackson album. So, I don't think the songs, the way they are now, are strong enough to be officially on a Michael Jackson album.

Yeah, but I just meant some songs are stronger for singles that means they are stronger to promote the album. I have always said if the music just gets a decent promotion the music itself (meaning strong singles and their airplay) continues to promote itself. Even nowadays. You don't really have to wear strange costumes, show some tits, or kiss same sex on the stage to keep it going.

 

[StaceyMJ]

Enough of the bickering, everyone is entitled to an opinion.

 

[butterflies]

Aha aha, so they are trying to program us to think it's Michael.
I believe in what my heart says, and it's not Michael..

Giving a theory does not mean someone is trying to "program" anyone, lol. Just keep on believing in the conspiracy theory between Sony, The Estate and the Cascios. It's all good.
I find it almost funny that rather than to believe that Michael's voice was somehow altered, it's easier for some to believe in this elaborate scheme where someone else was hired to "pretend" to be Michael, and everyone thought no one would notice, and Sony decided NOT to investigate and just lie and say they did and risk being sued over it. Interesting, to say the least.

 

[Alma]

Enough of the bickering, everyone is entitled to an opinion.

Topflux does more than that in practically every thread he starts. Just pushing people's buttons. In this thread, he is forcing his opinions unto people imperatively, like we should love what he does.

"Believe it or not"?


'Bickering' for no reason?..

 

[butterflies]

2000watts got us pitching up and down, and he was alive back then.




Exactly :yes:



Laptops are never meant to produce high quality audio (this would kill the battery), regardless of what speakers you use on them. this also applies to Desktop PCs WITHOUT a dedicated sound card. so even if you use sennheisers with headphone amps, if you don't have a good sound system, you wont hear good results.

of course most of us used our PCs/Laptops to listen to a crappy stream of a heavily processed, over produced demo that day... no wonder why people don't think it's him.

Exactly! There is really no debate about the fact that his voice sounds different on those recordings. We just have different reasons for why that is, I guess. I just think logically, there is only one thing that makes sense. It has to be him. Not only that, but they are good songs, IMO. I think his voice also sounds different on HT, but not the same. If 2000 Watts and Shout came out on this album, people would think they were fake. I don't doubt that for a second.

 

[love is magical]

Yeah, but I just meant some songs are stronger for singles that means they are stronger to promote the album. I have always said if the music just gets a decent promotion the music itself (meaning strong singles and their airplay) continues to promote itself. Even nowadays. You don't really have to wear strange costumes, show some tits, or kiss same sex on the stage to keep it going.

I agree with you. Some songs have better promotional value. For instance, both Scream and SIM are GREAT songs. But, Scream is a better song to launch HIStory.

In this case, I don't think Breaking News or Monster is good enough to be on the album, let alone say single.

IMHO, it puzzled me that Sony chose to release Breaking News as the first unofficial single in nine years.

 

[butterflies]

Well, it wasn't an official single, and probably because of the name "Breaking News". Just a guess, but I could be wrong.

 

[Topflux]

IMHO, it puzzled me that Sony chose to release Breaking News as the first unofficial single in nine years.

I thought it was only because of the message. But I have been wondering that, too. I think they chose it because they knew it won't be an official single later. I mean they probably didn't want to kill those more potentional songs. The strongest singles on the album imo are "Hollywood Tonight", "Monster", "Another Day" and "Behind The Mask". If there was three singles ("Hold My Hand" being the first) I would choose "Hollywood Tonight" and "Another Day" because of the message and the style. "Behind The Mask" is kinda known already so that is not so strong as a single imo.