Heart wrenching-My conversation with Dieter Wiesner

Nena, thank you so much for that well documented piece. It is so necessary, when dealing with Michael, to understand the background and history of authors and interviewees. I really cannot take any communication made by former managers, acquaintances and friends at face value. What I do not understand is that Dieter gave an interview about Michael in 2009 where he talks about Michael's state up to 2009, but wasn't the relationship between Michael and Dieter severed by 2009? If it was, how does he know what was happening with Micahel?
 
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2007 Interview....


When Jackson went on trial in 2005, Frank stayed in Los Angeles for over three months, on his own dime. “I know that he is innocent,” Dileo says. “A lot of people attack him for a lot of different reasons. One is, everybody would love to get their hands on the Beatles’ publishing. And he’s just one of those guys, he’s real kind and real nice and he can easily be taken advantage of.
“In this particular case, this kid had cancer, he found him a doctor, they didn’t have any money, he allowed them to live on his ranch. And when it was over, they didn’t want to leave. It was like blackmail. That’s all it was.
“We talked at each and every break,” Dileo continues. “I wanted to let him know that I know he didn’t do it. In fact, when I went there, he didn’t know I was coming. It was very emotional. He went, ‘Frank, I can’t believe you’re here.’ And he started to cry. And I went over and I hugged him and we got on the elevator and he told [defense attorney] Tom Mesereau, ‘This is Frank Dileo. He used to manage me. I’ve had nine managers since then. He’s the only guy that showed up, or even called to see how I’m doing.’ That was a very rough thing on him, a very emotional thing.”


It seems to me that out of all the managers, Weisner included, with his drug addict puppet agenda, DiLeo was the only one who irrefutably defended MJ. He's been going on & on about MJ conspiracies even before MJ rehired him in 2009, I think his book will be about that, the conspiracy against MJ. Something Wiesner would say as paranoia, but DiLeo seems to sincerely believe it as he has been saying it over & over for years now.

As to Weisner’s past…..

***** Loses Logo; Manager Owns Sex Clubs
Tuesday, December 02, 2003
By Roger Friedman

***** Loses Logo Rights; Manager Owns Sex Clubs Abroad
Michael Jackson's got some big problems. And that's besides being arrested for child molestation. Jackson has no idea that his current manager, Dieter Wiesner, the man who helped hire attorney Mark Geragos and is now calling the shots in the Jackson camp, is known for operating sex clubs and brothels at home in Germany.
Prostitution is legal in Germany, in case you didn't know. But many other things, which Wiesner’s former partners and employees say he has interests in, are not legal, including fraud — for which he was tried earlier this year in a German court — and selling stolen goods.
As well, because of debts Wiesner incurred on his behalf, Jackson has lost the rights to his MJ trademark in Germany and Europe to a technology company. The result could be that company's interference with the sales of Jackson CDs on that continent.
This is bad news for a number of reasons. According to my sources, in recent weeks Wiesner and his partner, Ronald Konitzer, have cut Jackson off from his regular group of advisers, isolating him. (Konitzer, a Vancouver businessman who is said to have many enemies, is apparently the one who actually called Geragos last spring.) Together they have been with Jackson since before the search of Neverland Ranch on Nov. 19, staying at the pop star's side.
Wiesner can be seen lurking in the background on the infamous videotape of Jackson dangling a baby from a German hotel balcony.
It's no secret that Jackson has been a poor judge of character in the past regarding business partners. But Wiesner seems the oddest choice of all. In 1997, during Jackson's European tour, Wiesner set up a plan to market a soft drink called the MJ Mystery Drink with Jackson's endorsement. The project crashed and burned, with Wiesner and his partner Karl Neubacher — a garage mechanic Wiesner is said to have hired off the street — declaring bankruptcy and bringing the ire of his investors.
Wiesner and Neubacher eventually stood trial for fraud but a judge gave them two years probation and a fine of $5000 euros. Nevertheless, Jackson continues to trust Wiesner who still manages Jackson's MJ Net Entertainment AG, which handles merchandising for the singer.
Even though the court let Wiesner off the hook, the investors in Mystery Drink remain furious with him. One of them, a printing company, lost roughly a million dollars in the deal. Another investor, Thomas Rinnert, who now runs an air cargo company, has nothing but disdain for his former partner.
Rinnert, who said he set up the initial Mystery Drink meetings for Wiesner with Sony’s merchandising office in London, said he lost $120,000 of his own money.
"Dieter will take Michael's money," said Rinnert. "He is a snake. He's very dangerous. He's an unhuman, greedy, unscrupulous person. He is dangerous. Michael Jackson is his victim."
Rinnert also said that during the time he knew Wiesner, the latter man invited him several times to sex clubs he owned. Another former associate who worked with Wiesner on the failed Mystery Drink project said over the weekend that Wiesner owns several such clubs. Two of the clubs were identified as the Sauna Relax Club in Limburg, Germany, and the Sex In (formerly called Rosie's Bar), which is managed by Wiesner's girlfriend, Roswitha Becker, in Darmstadt, Germany. Becker's sister is also said to be part of the team, which operates the two clubs plus private apartments where call girls ply their trade.
"He's the worst thing you can come across," said Richard Kaser, who worked for Wiesner for three years on Jackson related projects.
Kaser said that Wiesner regularly used the MJ Entertainment company offices to house stolen goods, which Wiesner allegedly purchased in bulk. "We had a load of leather jackets that suddenly arrived at the Mystery company. But there was a tip off of a police raid, and by the time they came, the jackets were gone."
In August 2000, a Darmstadt police official, Thomas Karolewicz, quipped in a memo that Wiesner was "well known" to his department. Karolewicz told me yesterday he knew Wiesner but was prevented by law from discussing his activities
According to my sources, Jackson does not know the true nature of Wiesner's business. The two were introduced by Jackson's former head of security, Wayne Nagin, after Wiesner approached Nagin with a business proposition for Jackson in 1997. Nagin is now rumored to have his own legal troubles.
Apart from Wiesner's own questionable business, his mishandling of Jackson's financial dealings is now in question also. This year, he lost control of Jackson's trademark "MJ" logo to a German businessman, Wolfgang Rath. Rath runs TePax, a German investment company that owns the technology to make flat, wall hanging high-end stereo speakers. Rath said he made a deal with Jackson, via Wiesner, to put Jackson's (removable) image on the speakers. In turn, Wiesner ordered thousands of speakers for Jackson to give or sell to fans.
"The problem started as MJ Net Entertainment never paid any of our invoices," Rath wrote to me from his sickbed yesterday. "So we have already delivered several systems, which they never paid for, and in addition we have about 10,000 systems in our warehouse, which were built for them. Our channels are totally filled up, so no one knows what to do with the product."
Rath said he wrote to Jackson's representatives and got no response. Eventually, he said, TePax won two cases against Wiesner in court and gained the rights to the Jackson trademark. "But merchandising is not our core business and after another six months time of no reaction from mj net we start now our second step and try to sell our rights on the logo. The only problem is that exactly now MJ has a really bad image in Germany, but of course this can change. So we are now willing to do anything to sell some of the remaining stock and the logo to get a small compensation for our loss."
One would think that buying back the Jackson logo would be something Sony would be mildly interested in. But Rath said Sony declined to get involved.
"Their only comment was that they don’t deal with MJ any longer." He adds, "It would be a disaster if we send Sony a letter mentioning they are not allowed to use the logo any longer and they have to take back even all old CDs from the German market. This would cost them millions."
Wiesner's German lawyer, Thomas Stein, told me yesterday that he was surprised to hear about his client's activities, but didn't know him well. Wiesner, through a spokesman, said that he never owned any businesses involving prostitution, just restaurants with bars. "I've never been convicted of fraud. Fraud was alleged, but the case was resolved," he said.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,104516,00.html


So yeah, I think Wiesner is full of it. Is it just me or does Wiesner remind you of Karen Faye?
BTW, if the original german text implies a girlfriend, not necessarily Chris Tucker’s – maybe we have some German posters here that can translate the entire interview better? Thanks.
 
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Thanks for the video.
Anyone involved in sex business is not very trustworthy in my eyes, it's all about money for them.

I tend to agree on this point. Yet then again, this topic of Dieter came up here years ago and everyone said that I was trashing the man just b/c he was in the porn business, that he would never turn on MJ and that I was out of my tree for saying that any director who worked on porn didn't have a professional interest in anything but porn. I have to say that porn is easy, directing a solid film which focuses on all the elements of a real motion picture are not. I said Dieter would betray Mike, some hated me for it, than a few months later, Michael let him go b/c he was concerned about working with someone from the porn industry. Dieter then tried to sue MJ then. Now the man is talking about Mike's so-called drug use? Why do they have to betray those who gave them so much.
 
nenabunena;3231941 said:
Part of the post is missing, I think there may have been some kind of error, i can't even edit it.

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It seems to me that out of all the managers, Weisner included, with his drug addict puppet agenda, DiLeo was the only one who irrefutably defended MJ. He's been going on & on about MJ conspiracies even before MJ rehired him in 2009, I think his book will be about that, the conspiracy against MJ. Something Wiesner would say as paranoia, but DiLeo seems to sincerely believe it as he has been saying it over & over for years now.

So yeah, I think Wiesner is full of it. Is it just me or does Wiesner remind you of Karen Faye?
BTW, if the original german text implies a girlfriend, not necessarily Chris Tucker’s – maybe we have some German posters here that can translate the entire interview better? Thanks.

Thanks for this extra information.
 
People will say what needs to be said to gain approval from their target market.

When actors are interviewed their favourite artist changes depending on the magazine they are being interviewed by! It is no different with Weisner.

We would have better served if the interviewee had done some research and asked some hard questions of Mr Weisner. But this interview was just to soften us up for a possible book. And I gotta say - unless Prince, Paris and Blanket choose to write a book, I am not buying a one.
 
People will say what needs to be said to gain approval from their target market.

When actors are interviewed their favourite artist changes depending on the magazine they are being interviewed by! It is no different with Weisner.

We would have better served if the interviewee had done some research and asked some hard questions of Mr Weisner. But this interview was just to soften us up for a possible book. And I gotta say - unless Prince, Paris and Blanket choose to write a book, I am not buying a one.

Excellent post^^^. My convictions to the tee. Yes the interviewer should have looked at his past interviews and then do some follow up questions when Dieter made his statements. I notice this trend around the interviews that are being posted. The interviewers are not preparing themselves about the subject before hand.

Yes, I am happy to say that the only book I am going to buy in reference to Michael is one written by his children. The exception is if we have a factual book from the trial like the Aphrodite book. I will buy some copies as I did with the Aphrodite book and pass them around. All the rest that are coming out and are in the process of coming out will have to remain on the shelf. However, since we are part of forums we will find out what is going on in them.
 
No problem Petrarose. I was very stressed when I read this & seeing the responses not only here, but on other MJ boards & on YT as well.

I agree, it seems many interviewers, Oprah included in 1993 seem to be unprepared for what they could garner from an interview. But then again, this interviewers sympathy for Wiesner's tale reminds me of the many fans who have been duped into his false sincerity. Charles Thompson seems to have bought into it as well if we remember his article interviewing Scott, Wiesner, & Schaffel.
 
The girlfriend he refers to can be just something he made up or he´s talking about the girlfriend he had around 92 before LMP. For what I klnow they tried to make her made a statement but she refused. She didn´t ask for money though. And she did some bad things to Michael so that can be why the interviewer says that it seemed to be that Michael like her more than she liked him.
 
moodyblue97;3233085 said:
The girlfriend he refers to can be just something he made up or he´s talking about the girlfriend he had around 92 before LMP. For what I klnow they tried to make her made a statement but she refused. She didn´t ask for money though. And she did some bad things to Michael so that can be why the interviewer says that it seemed to be that Michael like her more than she liked him.

This does not sound like a girlfriend, more like someone he knew that wanted to use him, if what Dieter said was true. If there was a true "girlfriend" why didn't she want to support him if she did not want money? Yet, she did bad things to him and did not want money. This does not make sense. Usually if you are so low as to not support the innocent and bad mouth them, then taking money is not too low for you.
 
To Nenabunena:

Many of us are not as simple minded as you might think. I'm aware of weisner's background and I still think there is merit in what he is saying. I don't have time right now to expand on what I want to say but I just wanted to point out that most of us DO know what he's done earlier. Also, I feel much less trust towards Dileo. Instinctually.
 
To Nenabunena:

Many of us are not as simple minded as you might think. I'm aware of weisner's background and I still think there is merit in what he is saying. I don't have time right now to expand on what I want to say but I just wanted to point out that most of us DO know what he's done earlier. Also, I feel much less trust towards Dileo. Instinctually.


I think many fans have a very short term memory when it comes to things, DiLeo who they loved to bits before MJ died & Wiesner who they despised after he had shown his true colors especially after MJ died. YET now they choose to forget all of that history & sentiment, like a fish with a 3 second memory. Fans like to indulge in speculation & gossip which is fine by me BUT I draw the line when serious allegations are made or malice WHEN THERE IS NO EVIDENCE OR LOGIC that supports it. Those with the loudest voices - the TINIs & KFists - are as shady as all these other characters. They twist data, they fan unsubstantiated malicious rumors & they prefer to listen to those who backstabbled MJ instead of those who stood up to defend him. It also doesn't help that a majority of the fanbase is very ignorant of facts & logical deduction, & it's obvious that the fanbase is very susceptible to the mob mentality as we have witnessed more & more since MJ's passing. You have less trust for DiLeo just bec of misinformed YT people or the TINIs, & like you say, your instinct. In other words, you don't have logic or evidence on your side, just lies, speculation, gossip & malicious whisperings from whoever. This is the very same thing they did to MJ. Many turned on him because of their so-called instinct, not because evidence or facts supported this. & the TINIs & KFists are doing the very hateful things done to MJ, unto others like Branca or DiLeo all based on 'JUST SO'. & I find this hypocrisy interesting that fans did not take lesson from MJ's suffering, instead of being cautious & positive, they turn to constant hating & negativity. No thanks. Maybe some wisdom & learned lesson needs to get into the culture of the fanbase, instead of buying into a shady man's past just because he stroked our 'collective ego.'

But logic & facts will not deter those who prefer to side with these shady characters, being a fan is about supporting MJ's legacy, not being instrumental in it's destruction. You do what you have to do, while I do what I have to do to counter it.
 
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I think many fans have a very short term memory when it comes to things, DiLeo who they loved to bits before MJ died & Wiesner who they despised after he had shown his true colors especially after MJ died. YET now they choose to forget all of that history & sentiment, like a fish with a 3 second memory. Fans like to indulge in speculation & gossip which is fine by me BUT I draw the line when serious allegations are made or malice WHEN THERE IS NO EVIDENCE OR LOGIC that supports it. Those with the loudest voices - the TINIs & KFists - are as shady as all these other characters. They twist data, they fan unsubstantiated malicious rumors & they prefer to listen to those who backstabbled MJ instead of those who stood up to defend him. It also doesn't help that a majority of the fanbase is very ignorant of facts & logical deduction, & it's obvious that the fanbase is very susceptible to the mob mentality as we have witnessed more & more since MJ's passing. You have less trust for DiLeo just bec of misinformed YT people or the TINIs, & like you say, your instinct. In other words, you don't have logic or evidence on your side, just lies, speculation, gossip & malicious whisperings from whoever. This is the very same thing they did to MJ. Many turned on him because of their so-called instinct, not because evidence or facts supported this. & the TINIs & KFists are doing the very hateful things done to MJ, unto others like Branca or DiLeo all based on 'JUST SO'. & I find this hypocrisy interesting that fans did not take lesson from MJ's suffering, instead of being cautious & positive, they turn to constant hating & negativity. No thanks. Maybe some wisdom & learned lesson needs to get into the culture of the fanbase, instead of buying into a shady man's past just because he stroked our 'collective ego.'

But logic & facts will not deter those who prefer to side with these shady characters, being a fan is about supporting MJ's legacy, not being instrumental in it's destruction. You do what you have to do, while I do what I have to do to counter it.


You're using the words "Logic and facts" way too many times for someone who is freely and hypocritically speculating as mucha s anyone else. I don't like seeing anything in black and white. Michael's life and his relationships with people are way too complex to be looked at in the way you want it to be looked at. Dileo's interview after 25 June was awful and he contradicted himself many times. There is information, but not "facts" and that goes for you too. Please, step off your high horse and stop labeling people and fitting them into categories. At the end of the day all of them, the people you call TINI are fans too and care about Michael and have expended more energy on him than many of us sitting and speculating behind computers. I don't mean to be rude but I don't like it when people are smug with their opinions and confuse them with "facts" and talk down to others because of it. And the only reason I said I instinctually don't trust Dileo is because I do not have the time to make a long post with why I think he is shady - so I'm leaving that as an opinion.
 
Petrarose;3233497 said:
This does not sound like a girlfriend, more like someone he knew that wanted to use him, if what Dieter said was true. If there was a true "girlfriend" why didn't she want to support him if she did not want money? Yet, she did bad things to him and did not want money. This does not make sense. Usually if you are so low as to not support the innocent and bad mouth them, then taking money is not too low for you.

The one Dieter refers too doesn´t sound like a girlfriend, that´s what I was trying to say I think. ;) I´m bad with words and writing them down. I thought he was refeering to a really old one that I know they tried with but she refused, no money involved. Their breakup was a bad one and many hard feelings. And he did everything to keep her away from media and she wanted to stay away. I don´t really know why she didn´t want to make a statement to help him more than that she didn´t want anything to do with it. Keeping her family out of it.
And it was such a longe time ago, back in 90.
 
indeed:( The only thing that haunts me in that interview was "Michael was alone... :no:"

*runs away from this thread in tears* :no:
 
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