Katherine PP&B on GMA 2/25 Interview Post 208

[Autumn II]

Re: Katherine PP&B on GMA 2/25

Autumn II has mentioned it at least a few times - the estate exists to make money for Michael's children. By working against the estate, Katherine is working against the kids' financial interests. And, to make matters even worse, she's using the kids to do it!

Thank you. And THAT is the point.

 

[serendipity]

Re: Katherine PP&B on GMA 2/25

It's important because I don't like when people rush to judgement against others whom they've never met and whom there is no real evidence against. It's mainly hearsay.

How is it hearsay when they have PHYSICAL evidence in the form of her letters and her ADMITTING that she entered MJ's home and then refused to apologize, because she thought she didn't really do anything wrong? Please, explain how is that hearsay? And what exactly do you call someone who does that ish?

Surely Michael didn't ask his lawyers to warn her to stay away from him just for the heck of it?

I find it interesting how you keep ignoring HARD COLD evidence, her OWN WORDS and the statements of multiple witnesses, just so you can keep blindly defending Katherine's actions. *SMH*

 

[MJFan07]

Re: Katherine PP&B on GMA 2/25

I hope this is the bottom line. Almost ALL fans were in support of Katherine when she first had custody of those children. She is Michael's MOTHER. But, as time passed, more and more seemed to go wrong. First was the DCFS investigation of that household, in which MANY of her grandchildren were living. That was regarding a Taser in the hands of children. But yet, we STILL supported her.

And now? Michael is not here anymore, and there is NO confusion about how he was raising those children. . out of the public eye, very well educated, very well behaved, and allowed to be CHILDREN. Many of us, now, are taking exception to what Katherine is doing. . READ the contract with Howard Mann, ok?

Whatever anyone might think of them, it is the ESTATE that protects the children's financial interests. The estate has sole ownership of Michael's brand and image. In the alliance with Mann, Katherine is going against the estate's wishes. . . the estate of her own son.. and is promoting a "satellite estate," which is the subject of lawsuits. That might be her own BUSINESS, but she is also requiring Michael's children to support HER own "business," to their own detriment.

Please understand this? Any money Katherine's enterprises make, are for her, alone. Any money the estate makes, is for Michael's CHILDREN. Therefore, in requiring the children to promote Mann/Johnson, they are harming their own futures, with no choice in that, as minors. Would Michael have wanted this? REALLY?

I don't see how this is harming their financial futures, not in any noticeable way anyhow. They'll have plenty of money. As for the current time period, the money may be going to Katherine but she is their guardian and she is taking care of them so you can't say if she is or is not spending the money on the children. It is my understanding this income is to supplement the income from the estate for the time period that she is on an allowance. Once the estate is sorted out, Katherine will have full access to her 40% so this income will become meaningless as it will be miniscule in comparison.

What concerns me more about the contract is not the money but the TV appearances. That does make me somewhat uneasy, particularly given how private Michael was. It would be interesting to get a lawyer's take on the contract. In item 14) it does say 'upon mutual consent thereto' but then in item 13) above it does not. These kinds of things really need to be deciphered by a lawyer. Every little word has meaning. I would really hope Katherine consulted with a good attorney prior to signing. If she didn't then that was a huge mistake.

 

[serendipity]

Re: Katherine PP&B on GMA 2/25

Once the estate is sorted out, Katherine will have full access to her 40% so this income will become meaningless as it will be miniscule in comparison.

No, she won't get full access to all that money. After the probate is over she will still continue to receive an allowance. People still don't seem to understand how MJ's will is.

She has a trust in her name that will collect 40% of the profits the Estate makes, but she will only be receiving money for the allowance from that trust (or any purchase she needs to make) -- she will never have full access to all the money. She will not inherit anything, because the hairs are his children -- once Katherine passes all the money from her trust (and assets bought with that money) go to his children.

Michael was very smart when he wrote his will that way.

 

[Diplomate]

Re: Katherine PP&B on GMA 2/25

thats because these fans are fans of the jackson family not mj. and will try to justify anything they do no matter how wrong. no one can justify that contract any attempt to do so just confirms what i have said about who they really support..there are certain posters on several boards who are family fans and not mj ones. they will post and live on an mj board yet attack him and defend anything the family does no matter what.

Lol! How it's possible to be fans of has been never was who want to be since 1982 without to do nothing ?

Without Michael there is nothing. Everybody knows that except the Jacksons...

It's not that we are acceptive, it's that what is 'right' is an opinion. We are fans. We do not know the parties involved. We do not know the ins and outs of the situation. We may think we do, but we don't. We only know little pieces here and there that we can gather from google.

I think what we know gives reason to show some concern, but not enough reason to vilify Katherine or disrespect her choices. It's clear she loves her grandchildren and she has shown year after year how much she loves Michael.

Like Michael said, and quite adamantly, don't condemn someone unless you've spoken with them one on one about the situation. None of you, as far as I know, have spoken with Katherine one on one about this situation. So, in my opinion, I think Michael would be ashamed that his fans would be so eager to judge and condemn his mother, without even speaking to her. It's OK to question her choices but to vilify and condemn her as many here are doing IMO is extreme, unfair, and uncalled for.

What we are saying it's JUST THE TRUTH.

 

[MJFan07]

Re: Katherine PP&B on GMA 2/25

No, she won't get full access to all that money. After the probate is over she will still continue to receive an allowance. People still don't seem to understand how MJ's will is.

She has a trust in her name that will collect 40% of the profits the Estate makes, but she will only be receiving money for the allowance from that trust (or any purchase she needs to make) -- she will never have full access to all the money. She will not inherit anything, because the hairs are his children -- once Katherine passes all the money from her trust (and assets bought with that money) go to his children.

Michael was very smart when he wrote his will that way.

I understand the money eventually goes to the children when she passes, but doesn't she get a bigger allowance once the estate is sorted? In any case, it doesn't change my point in that the children are not being financialy hurt by this in any meaningful way. If anything, it solidifies my point b/c then Katherine will have less need to take money from her trust and even more of her trust will go to the children.

 

[Diplomate]

Re: Katherine PP&B on GMA 2/25

We have a Jackson on this board :lol:

 

[diana79]

Re: Katherine PP&B on GMA 2/25

I don't see how this is harming their financial futures, not in any noticeable way anyhow. They'll have plenty of money. As for the current time period, the money may be going to Katherine but she is their guardian and she is taking care of them so you can't say if she is or is not spending the money on the children. It is my understanding this income is to supplement the income from the estate for the time period that she is on an allowance. Once the estate is sorted out, Katherine will have full access to her 40% so this income will become meaningless as it will be miniscule in comparison.

What concerns me more about the contract is not the money but the TV appearances. That does make me somewhat uneasy, particularly given how private Michael was. It would be interesting to get a lawyer's take on the contract. In item 14) it does say 'upon mutual consent thereto' but then in item 13) above it does not. These kinds of things really need to be deciphered by a lawyer. Every little word has meaning. I would really hope Katherine consulted with a good attorney prior to signing. If she didn't then that was a huge mistake.

So, as long as they only steal a little, it's OK?

This isn't only about the money made from the book (supposedly $1.5 million in the first 2 days, but I'm skeptical about that). It's also about the future value of Michael's trademarks and copyrights. This is from an LA Times article:

"This is effectively a satellite estate. Its value is unfathomable," Mann said.

That's what Mann wants - a satellite estate - to use to sell stuff to fans. Michael intended for his kids to profit from his copyrights and trademarks, not Howard Mann. The estate is going to have to fight that battle in court. Katherine certainly isn't helping by teaming up with the guy.

Regarding the contract - it's been reported that Katherine's lawyer did not review it.

 

[max000]

Re: Katherine PP&B on GMA 2/25

Lol! How it's possible to be fans of has been never was who want to be since 1982 without to do nothing ?

Without Michael there is nothing. Everybody knows that except the Jacksons...





What we are saying it's JUST THE TRUTH.

Now we are going after the grand kids.? Who is next on the hit list.?
Not a monolithic society. Uniform thinking not present in any family, or among friends. Why would we want it here.?

 

[moodyblue97]

It's not that we are acceptive, it's that what is 'right' is an opinion. We are fans. We do not know the parties involved. We do not know the ins and outs of the situation. We may think we do, but we don't. We only know little pieces here and there that we can gather from google.

I think what we know gives reason to show some concern, but not enough reason to vilify Katherine or disrespect her choices. It's clear she loves her grandchildren and she has shown year after year how much she loves Michael.

Like Michael said, and quite adamantly, don't condemn someone unless you've spoken with them one on one about the situation. None of you, as far as I know, have spoken with Katherine one on one about this situation. So, in my opinion, I think Michael would be ashamed that his fans would be so eager to judge and condemn his mother, without even speaking to her. It's OK to question her choices but to vilify and condemn her as many here are doing IMO is extreme, unfair, and uncalled for.

As far as you know yes.. Don´t asume that no one on this board haven´t spoken to anyone in the Jackson family.

And it´s not hearsay when you see it by yourself and hear it from security working at Neverland.

And a few knew Michael better than his mother, even if it sounds strange.

 

[Memefan]

Re: Katherine PP&B on GMA 2/25

Why are you all wasting time answering to a troll?

Can't you all see this person for what s/he is ?

 

[ginvid]

Re: Katherine PP&B on GMA 2/25

This a final warning on this, let your opinion be made known without calling people losers, pathetic, etc. This has already been asked in this thread, beofre. Do not ignore this.

Thank you.

 

[bluemoonchild]

Re: Katherine PP&B on GMA 2/25

Lies. Michael NEVER NEVER agreed to Melissa Johnson hijacking " Heal The World". Never. And she admitted under oath, she had never talked or had direct contact with Michael. EVER.

After trespassing t Neverland, she was caught & put on notice to stop harassing Michael. Now, the stalker has free access to her prey's cubs.





Please make sure you leave a comment here.

Call from fans for Howard Mann to Stop Exploiting the Children








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that's great! Thank you very much indeed!

:clapping:
Betty

 

[bluemoonchild]

Re: Katherine PP&B on GMA 2/25

you contradict yourself, first of all you say the children should be out of tv. and then you say they should live their lives ..so this is what i dont get , cauze Paris wants to be an actress and Prince a Film director.. so? they want to be on the bussines man.. these are their dreams... and stop insultin michael's mother... she is his mother ..i bet Michael should be very sad about what his own fans say about his mother.. THE WORLD IS SO CRAZY THESE DAYS!

Hi there -- thank you for answering. sorry for the late reply.

They can be on TV when THEY want it -- acting and directing. That's fine.

And for now they have to learn and study everything without every step and mistake being recorded, published or joked about (see Friedmans message and seen how he targets what Prince said)?

Imho, Michael would be very sad if he saw his Kids on TV. And THAT they are there -- being put there, that is crazy, don't you think?

and i did not insult his mother, just to make this very clear!

 

[sophie]

Re: Katherine PP&B on GMA 2/25

you can a file a complaint file here :

http://oag.ca.gov/charities

thanks for posting this link.

the complaint form can be found here:
http://ag.ca.gov/charities/forms/charitable/ct9.pdf


some pages ago i posted IRS related info on HTWF:
http://www.mjjcommunity.com/forum/showpost.php?p=3274291&postcount=735

here's the IRS form HTWF filed for 2009:
http://207.153.189.83/EINS/262160396/262160396_2009_05C8C3C5.PDF

to me, the most interesting figures from the IRS form seem:

***
Revenue, expenses, and changes in net asset or fund balances:

Total revenue: 33,458

Professional fees and other payments to independent contractors: 16,590
Other expenses: 87,563
Total expenses: 105,790

Total liabilities: 78,231
Net assets or fund balances: -74,721

Other expenses:
donations: 5,520
advertising: 21,674
trademark fees: 54,458
Total: 87,563

Supported organizations:
Feed the Children: 2,000
Network for Good: 1,102
A Childs Hope Foundation: 500
City Meals On Wheels: 668
Scars to Freedom: 1,000
The Carter Center: 250
Total: 5,520
***

aside from the charity being deep in the red in 2009, i see a discrepancy between revenue, money spent on charitable activities and money spent on things like advertising, professional fees, and trademark fees. in 2009 this charity spent more than its entire revenue on trademark fees; and what was the amount over 16,590 spent on? ("professional fees and other payments to independent contractors") who was the independent contractor?

HTWF is run from the same address as a business called "Angels Embrace Home Health Care", the owner of this business is also Melissa Johnson.

s. listing of Angels Embrace at bbb.org:
http://www.la.bbb.org/Business-Report/Angels-Embrace-Home-Health-Care-LLC-13197938

A CNN article from August 11, 2009 also mentions the connection to Angels Embrace:
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2009/08/11/cbsnews_investigates/main5234202.shtml

here is the link to the motion the estate filed against HTWF:
http://www.rosespeaks.com/downloads/Jackson/world/2-18-10-MOTION-Preliminary-Injunction.pdf

quote from motion:

[pg. 15, section IIG]

G. Defendants' Purported "Charitable Organization"

To add insult to injury, Defendants have created an "organization" that purports to carry on the work of Jackson's Foundation and have made numerous false representations regarding their affiliation with Mr. Jackson and his charity. ... In reality, this "charitable organization" is merely a subterfuge for Defendants to turn a profit using Mr. Jackson's name and likeness.

list with trademarks johnson has filed:

http://www.trademarkia.com/correspondent-melissa-johnson-1-10246
http://www.trademarkia.com/company-johnson-melissa-3163182-page-1-2

acc to trademarkia.com johnson has filed more than 30 trademarks, many of them MJ related, e.g. these:

[...]
NEVERLAND
LIVE (Circa: 2009)
Goods and Services: Art prints; Blank journal books; Brochures about celebrities; Decals; Educati...
Primary Class: Insurance; financial affairs; monetary affairs; real estate affairs.

MAKE THAT CHANGE
LIVE (Circa: 2009)
Goods and Services: Clothing items, namely, adhesive pockets that may be affixed directly to the ...
Primary Class: Clothing, footwear, headgear.

HEAL THE WORLD
LIVE (Circa: 2009)
Goods and Services: Action figures and accessories therefor; Action skill games; Articles of clot...
Primary Class: Games and playthings; gymnastic and sporting articles not included in other classes; de...

 

[JMie]

Re: Katherine PP&B on GMA 2/25

Hi there -- thank you for answering. sorry for the late reply.

They can be on TV when THEY want it -- acting and directing. That's fine.

And for now they have to learn and study everything without every step and mistake being recorded, published or joked about (see Friedmans message and seen how he targets what Prince said)?

Imho, Michael would be very sad if he saw his Kids on TV. And THAT they are there -- being put there, that is crazy, don't you think?

and i did not insult his mother, just to make this very clear!

I agree. And it's not even about them appearing on TV at this point... It's about them being put in a position when they have to promote questionable companies and projects run by more than questionable people. There are a lot of real and transparent charities in the USA and the world, but the Jacksons choose the one that has a lot of issues run by a person who was a known stalker and they let this stalker near Michael's kids. It's not only unwise, it's also dangerous.

 

[Alma]

Re: Katherine PP&B on GMA 2/25

You know what? Michael loved his mother. He loved her endlessly and he trusted her to love, protect, and take care of his children to the best of her abilities in case something happened to him. Sometimes as parents and/or guardians, we get it wrong because we're not perfect. Ms. Katherine has made and will continue to make mistakes. We all do and no one should question her love for her children, grandchildren and great grandchildren. I will never forget seeing her stand with Michael day in and day out, every single day in that courtroom. She was strong and heroic and she stood for Michael when he couldn't stand. So, it was and is a logical choice that he would pick her to raise his three children.

With that said...

She has made a very big error associating with Howard Mann. Howard Mann is the PIMP in this situation and Katherine is a willing participant in all of this. He cannot get anything done without her participation. If Howard Mann and Katherine Jackson continues to do business together, then so be it. But stop using and exploiting Michael's name, image, likeness, copyrights, philanthropic works, and music.

And more importantly, stop using the children in order to further a financial agenda. I do not agree with it and YOU ALL KNOW MICHAEL WOULD NOT HAVE WANTED THIS.

Moving beyond the money aspect... do you honestly think that Michael Jackson - the man who protected his children and hid them from the public would want a known harasser and stalker around his children? A woman who was told repeatedly to leave Michael and his staff alone? A woman who usurped Michael's charity? A woman whom his estate has called a fraud?

Money is money and my concern is beyond Howard Mann and Katherine making money. I'm concerned about the safety of Michael's children because KATHERINE JACKSON, JOE JACKSON and HOWARD MANN has brought a stalker around MICHAEL'S CHILDREN. It is not right and no amount of spinning can change the simple fact that this is WRONG.

Bottom line.

Thank you for this post, and agree with all, including your first paragraph, which certainly can't be ignored.

 

[elusive moonwalker]

Re: Katherine PP&B on GMA 2/25

You know what? Michael loved his mother. He loved her endlessly and he trusted her to love, protect, and take care of his children to the best of her abilities in case something happened to him. Sometimes as parents and/or guardians, we get it wrong because we're not perfect. Ms. Katherine has made and will continue to make mistakes. We all do and no one should question her love for her children, grandchildren and great grandchildren. I will never forget seeing her stand with Michael day in and day out, every single day in that courtroom. She was strong and heroic and she stood for Michael when he couldn't stand. So, it was and is a logical choice that he would pick her to raise his three children.

With that said...

She has made a very big error associating with Howard Mann. Howard Mann is the PIMP in this situation and Katherine is a willing participant in all of this. He cannot get anything done without her participation. If Howard Mann and Katherine Jackson continues to do business together, then so be it. But stop using and exploiting Michael's name, image, likeness, copyrights, philanthropic works, and music.

And more importantly, stop using the children in order to further a financial agenda. I do not agree with it and YOU ALL KNOW MICHAEL WOULD NOT HAVE WANTED THIS.

Moving beyond the money aspect... do you honestly think that Michael Jackson - the man who protected his children and hid them from the public would want a known harasser and stalker around his children? A woman who was told repeatedly to leave Michael and his staff alone? A woman who usurped Michael's charity? A woman whom his estate has called a fraud?

Money is money and my concern is beyond Howard Mann and Katherine making money. I'm concerned about the safety of Michael's children because KATHERINE JACKSON, JOE JACKSON and HOWARD MANN has brought a stalker around MICHAEL'S CHILDREN. It is not right and no amount of spinning can change the simple fact that this is WRONG.

Bottom line.

great post.

 

[Autumn II]

Re: Katherine PP&B on GMA 2/25

By now it's pretty obvious what is happening in this thread, so I'm suggesting more self-control? IS there "a Jackson" on this board? That's entirely possible, or someone from Mann's staff, or from the HTW "charity." The purpose seems to be to derail the thread or even to shut it down, or to provoke people into ANGER (name-calling, etc.) Please see it for what it is? By self-control, I mean -- if we STOP responding to those posts (you know which posts I mean), the thread can stay on track. It's not possible to have an "argument" if only one person is "arguing?" As infuriating and illogical as they can be, if we all just IGNORE those types of posts, the thread can continue with logic and decency.

Seriously. Just DON'T respond, and they will eventually go away?

Carry on. . . .

 

[sophie]

Re: Katherine PP&B on GMA 2/25

^agree this thread is being derailed on pupose imo

 

[Alma]

Re: Katherine PP&B on GMA 2/25

By now it's pretty obvious what is happening in this thread, so I'm suggesting more self-control? IS there "a Jackson" on this board? That's entirely possible, or someone from Mann's staff, or from the HTW "charity." The purpose seems to be to derail the thread or even to shut it down, or to provoke people into ANGER (name-calling, etc.) Please see it for what it is? By self-control, I mean -- if we STOP responding to those posts (you know which posts I mean), the thread can stay on track. It's not possible to have an "argument" if only one person is "arguing?" As infuriating and illogical as they can be, if we all just IGNORE those types of posts, the thread can continue with logic and decency.

Seriously. Just DON'T respond, and they will eventually go away?

Carry on. . . .

Agree... However, don't mean to sound rude, but you often sound like a moderator/mediator with these guidelines and pieces of advice you express, maybe become one again, but this whole "Carry on.." thing being repeated after many posts are making some not that comfortable if it doesn't come from an official staff member meant to arbitrate members/forums (like you used to be). .. Just wanted to express that as a fellow member, and hoping that it won't upset you...

 

[Autumn II]

Re: Katherine PP&B on GMA 2/25

Agree... However, don't mean to sound rude, but you often sound like a moderator/mediator with these guidelines and pieces of advice you express, maybe become one again, but this whole "Carry on.." thing being repeated after many posts are making some not that comfortable if it doesn't come from an official staff member meant to arbitrate members/forums. .. Just wanted to say that, and hoping that it won't upset you...

Respectful behavior is OBVIOUS, isn't it, or it should be? To avoid arguments, just don't argue? That's only common sense?

To return to the topic, my question is, at present, I wonder if there is any way to find out what is planned NEXT, in terms of public appearances of the children in support of Mann's enterprises, and HTW?

 

[Big Apple2]

Re: Katherine PP&B on GMA 2/25

To return to the topic, my question is, at present, I wonder if there is any way to find out what is planned NEXT, in terms of public appearances of the children in support of Mann's enterprises, and HTW?

Good question, because Lord knows, they ain't earning any real money by selling Katherine's book or any of the other crap they are trying to push.

The BACKLASH has been swift and I'm sure they ALL know about it. It will be interesting to see what happens next, since the support that was there in the beginning has now decreased in a dramatic fashion, in my opinion.

 

[Autumn II]

Re: Katherine PP&B on GMA 2/25

Good question, because Lord knows, they ain't earning any real money by selling Katherine's book or any of the other crap they are trying to push.

The BACKLASH has been swift and I'm sure they ALL know about it. It will be interesting to see what happens next, since the support that was there in the beginning has now decreased in a dramatic fashion, in my opinion.

My hunch is that all these "products" have been marketed primarily to the fanbase, and the general public just isn't that interested in buying this stuff? I think that the "market" for these products has been greatly overestimated, and the potential revenues will actually be quite small? Especially now, that there are those lawsuits by the estate? And TV appearances by the children, which many fans take exception to?

One area where there may have been an "overestimation" is that the assumption that Michael's fans will automatically transfer to any and all members of the Jackson family? I think this is NOT the case, and the various "products" will be evaluated on their own merit. That's just one way the fanboards are useful, in critiquing the various "products," so fans can choose to buy, or not to buy.

 

[prismsagainst5live]

Re: Katherine PP&B on GMA 2/25

might it be useful go get some kind of signature banner or something that can be used and taken by all fan boards. We need a fan-wide alert on what is going on cos I do know a few people on other boards who 'aren't really sure' about what is going on with Mann and Johnson.

 

[ScrEAm.Jack5on]

Re: Katherine PP&B on GMA 2/25

I've read this thread from start to finish & while I AGREE with the majority of people here that what is going on IS WRONG, I do not think it is appropriate to be calling the DCFS authorities.. for various reasons.

 

[Memefan]

Re: Katherine PP&B on GMA 2/25

Respectful behavior is OBVIOUS, isn't it, or it should be? To avoid arguments, just don't argue? That's only common sense?

To return to the topic, my question is, at present, I wonder if there is any way to find out what is planned NEXT, in terms of public appearances of the children in support of Mann's enterprises, and HTW?

Mann has a documentary in the works. I had been told the kids would appear. The GMA took me (all of us actually) by surprise. I have been expecting another sit down with the kids...but not with GMA.

So, around MJ's anniversary....we should brace ourselves for the same crap we had last year if Mann finds a venue for this documentary crap.

 

[ScrEAm.Jack5on]

Re: Katherine PP&B on GMA 2/25

Has anyone sent all the info about Melissa Johnson & Howard Mann to people who were in Michael's life.. one obvious example being Debbie Rowe..? I'm not necessarily saying for her to take custody, but she is someone who could have strong words with the Jacksons about HER children. I know she has a connection to Schaffel, another ex-porn guy, however, I'm nearly sure she'd be freaked out about the stalker Melissa having access to the children & I don't think she'd approve of the children being used like this, & being in a 'life-long' contract with Howard Mann to promote whatever he is flogging. She KNOWS MJ would be angry & she must care...surely?! She could threaten to fight for custody if Prince, Paris & Blanket continue to be exploited like this...I'm not necessarily saying she should have custody, but just that by using that threat she has the power to make the Jacksons listen to her..?

Can I just ask though.. is Katherine tied to that contract now? If she came to her senses would she be able to get out of it? The children would easily yeh?.. but Katherine? She'd be sued by Mann?

 

[xthunderx2]

Re: Katherine PP&B on GMA 2/25

Mann has a documentary in the works. I had been told the kids would appear. The GMA took me (all of us actually) by surprise. I have been expecting another sit down with the kids...but not with GMA.

So, around MJ's anniversary....we should brace ourselves for the same crap we had last year if Mann finds a venue for this documentary crap.

noway..you are serious???...why should we NOT expect this...Katherine signed that damn contract...all this has to be brought to a holt...and quickly.

 

[Diplomate]

Re: Katherine PP&B on GMA 2/25

The surrogate is a joke for everybody. Specially the Jacksons PPB included.

She has nothing to do with the family, she's someone that nobody knows execpt Schaffel and Klein.

Leave her with her children, her horses.