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[bluetopez]

Re: Status hearings discussion thread / next hearing March 28th

So the defense want Tohme to testify to knowing MJ's alleged drug habits? Good luck getting the jury to believe this shady ass character! Tohme is gonna be nothing but confusing and self serving! Who will probably say anything to take blame off of himself and that's the reason why the defense want him!

Michael was scared of this ugly man and he did NOT trust him! He wanted him out his life! So I don't see how he would know anything personal about MJ life like what meds he was taking or not period!

Tohme fits in better for the AEG lawsuit Katherine has then in the criminal case which is all Murray IMO!

 

[ivy]

Re: Status hearings discussion thread / next hearing March 28th

could he take the 5th in relation to the lawsuit or is that only in crim cases.

you mean when testifying? you can always plead 5th for self incrimination. (even at civil cases)

 

[smoothlugar]

Re: Status hearings discussion thread / next hearing March 28th

Los Angeles (CNN) --

Murray's lawyers argued that Tohme is a critical witness for their defense strategy to prove that Jackson gave himself the fatal dose of anesthesia that led to his death on June 25, 2009.


Jackson's "financial difficulties at the time is clearly relevant to our assertion that Mr. Jackson self-administered himself with propofol," Gourjian said.

While the defense argument "seems to be a lot of speculation," Pastor said he would let the subpoena of Tohme stand since he was Jackson's business manager at the time of his death. He indicated he would later consider whether to limit the subjects on which Tohme can be questioned.

http://www.cnn.com/2011/CRIME/03/28/conrad.murray.trial/

Hope the judge can really stop so much speculation from the defence...:doh:

 

[classic]

Re: Status hearings discussion thread / next hearing March 28th

Absolutely NOTHING. What it's about is Murray's defense grasping at straws, trying to paint Michael as. . the "a-word." Which I'm pretty sure the jury will think is irrelevant.

It's possible, though, that things Tohme says under oath (if he even testifies) will be applicable to Katherine's lawsuit, since Tohme brokered the AEG deal and was with Michael through all of 2008 and nearly half of 2009.

Then, Mrs. Jackson's attorneys for that lawsuit can go after his testimony. Murray's trial should not be thought of as a connection to Mrs. Jackson's lawsuit against AEG. Actually, what would help her lawsuit would undermine the prosecution in this case.

Smoke and mirrors is a techinque that lawyers use for a reason; sometimes it works, so people should be careful of what they ask for when it comes to Tohme testifying.

 

[elusive moonwalker]

Re: Status hearings discussion thread / next hearing March 28th

you mean when testifying? you can always plead 5th for self incrimination. (even at civil cases)

yeah for testifying. thanks. i guess he may take the 5th alot then although he hasnt been named in the aeg suit yet as he?

 

[Alma]

Re: Status hearings discussion thread / next hearing March 28th

Well what do you expect them to do? You have fans acting like Thome held Michael down while Michael was injected. You got his family saying that bad people were controlling him you expect them not to go down this road?

Oh, so those attorneys are inspired by message boards and some people in here who actually want full justice to be done and have the right to express their opinions and certain facts as well, not just loony speculation. As though that would ever take away the blame from what Murray did that day and up until that day, which was pumping him full of propofol and medication to death, then covering for his dirty trails.

What do I or anyone expect them to do? Absolutely nothing from the defense, obviously. 0..0 Thome is not going to admit to anything affecting his and AEG's 'integrity', he disappeared all this time for a reason, and Murray is not gonna get help other than by potentially bribing jurors and some other officials to not spend a day in jail, or very little time, since it's bright as day that his guilt in all that went wrong that June 25 day is evident. Isn't Murray Already blaming Everybody else but himself, that I'm surprised the furniture in Michael's room hasn't yet been subpoenaed. ... Like it weren't predictable they're going to pick on poor innocent AEG's Jackson was contractually-binded to, it's the fans' fault for this route. The family's, yeah.

Some here are acting like/implying that WE, certain people on here/this forum (can't speak for other forums, since I don't visit them) are enemies as well for the chaotic, desperate routes the defense are taking. Really..? Not because Murray and his defence know not what road to take inherently, for their case is a complete mess of a joke and they're going round in circles? It's okay, maybe, to be sweeping things under the rug. Nobody here is claiming the regular bs that Murray was the fall guy and what not.

And some are actually asking why the attitude, or why the argument? Well, when some are focusing maybe a personal spite on some other fans, 'loonies' (I keep mentioning that, because that's how some here are taken as, obviosly, that much that not even them trying to argue that and dispute it doesn't cut it) instead of directing the attention onto the nasties out there mind-playing us, that's really off. Plain mean and hurtful. Go figure, we're inspiring the defense, well, why the heck should we post anything afterall?

Low. Really low. ...

 

[Thrill]

Re: Status hearings discussion thread / next hearing March 28th

We know he was married to Randy Phillips' sister.

how did this rumour eve start???? Im not saying you are wrong,im just curious.. because Karen Faye have said a few times that Randy Phillips does NOT have a sister

fans asked her about this rumour and she said it wasnt true since he doesnt have a sister. maybe Karen is wrong on this but im just curious to know if we really can say for a fact that Tohme was married to Randys sister.

 

[Justthefacts]

Re: Status hearings discussion thread / next hearing March 28th

Oh, so those attorneys are inspired by message boards and some people in here who actually want full justice to be done and have the right to express their opinions and certain facts as well, not just loony speculation. As though that would ever take away the blame from what Murray did that day and up until that day, which was pumping him full of propofol and medication to death, then covering for his dirty trails.

What do I or anyone expect them to do? Absolutely nothing from the defense, obviously. 0..0 Thome is not going to admit to anything affecting his and AEG's 'integrity', he disappeared all this time for a reason, and Murray is not gonna get help other than by potentially bribing jurors and some other officials to not spend a day in jail, or very little time, since it's bright as day that his guilt in all that went wrong that June 25 day is evident. Isn't Murray Already blaming Everybody else but himself, that I'm surprised the furniture in Michael's room hasn't yet been subpoenaed. ... Like it weren't predictable they're going to pick on poor innocent AEG's Jackson was contractually-binded to, it's the fans' fault for this route. The family's, yeah.
Some here are acting like/implying that WE, certain people on here/this forum (can't speak for other forums, since I don't visit them) are enemies as well for the chaotic, desperate routes the defense are taking. Really..? Not because Murray and his defence know not what road to take inherently, for their case is a complete mess of a joke and they're going round in circles? It's okay, maybe, to be sweeping things under the rug. Nobody here is claiming the regular bs that Murray was the fall guy and what not.

And some are actually asking why the attitude, or why the argument? Well, when some are focusing maybe a personal spite on some other fans, 'loonies' (I keep mentioning that, because that's how some here are taken as, obviosly, that much that not even them trying to argue that and dispute it doesn't cut it) instead of directing the attention onto the nasties out there mind-playing us, that's really off. Plain mean and hurtful. Go figure, we're inspiring the defense, well, why the heck should we post anything afterall?

Low. Really low. ...

Defensive much?

 

[StacyJ]

Re: Status hearings discussion thread / next hearing March 28th

Shouldn't Murray have known about MJ's alleged 'drug habits' since he was his doctor? Murray should've gave MJ a full physical with blood and urine work before he even started treating him. I really hope the prosecution points out Murray's lack of records or files on MJ. Where are MJ's physical exams and the results of those from Murray?

 

[xthunderx2]

Re: Status hearings discussion thread / next hearing March 28th

Shouldn't Murray have known about MJ's alleged 'drug habits' since he was his doctor? Murray should've gave MJ a full physical with blood and urine work before he even started treating him. I really hope the prosecution points out Murray's lack of records or files on MJ. Where are MJ's physical exams and the results of those from Murray?

oh yes of course Murray should of had a whole file on Michael...and I am sure that the pros will point out the fact that Murray didnt have any accurate Medical records on Michael. I think that will also be an important part of this case..

 

[Autumn II]

how did this rumour eve start???? Im not saying you are wrong,im just curious.. because Karen Faye have said a few times that Randy Phillips does NOT have a sister

fans asked her about this rumour and she said it wasnt true since he doesnt have a sister. maybe Karen is wrong on this but im just curious to know if we really can say for a fact that Tohme was married to Randys sister.

Personally, I wouldn't believe a thing Karen Faye has to say, at this point.

But, do with this what you will. Whatever.

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Dr Tohme related to Randy Phillips by marriage...

According to records from ancestry.com - the world&#8217;s largest family history website - Dr Tohme and AEG Live bos Randy Phillips were related by marriage back in the 1970&#8217;s. Dr Tohme Ramez Tohme (d.o.b. 1949) married Janet Phillips (d.o.b. 1953) on 29th January 1972 in Sacremento, California. The pair subsequently divorced in May 1976 in Sacremento, California.
Marriage - State file: 7307; Reg no: 289
Divorce &#8211; State file: 664652; Dissolution case no: 716055

 

[StacyJ]

Re: Status hearings discussion thread / next hearing March 28th

oh yes of course Murray should of had a whole file on Michael...and I am sure that the pros will point out the fact that Murray didnt have any accurate Medical records on Michael. I think that will also be an important part of this case..

I HOPE THEY DO.. It makes absolutely no sense for Murray to be giving MJ all that crap without any medical files. How is he going to pretend that he had no clue MJ was taking anything when he knew he was seeing Klein for 25 years for his skin?

 

[classic]

Re: Status hearings discussion thread / next hearing March 28th

yeah for testifying. thanks. i guess he may take the 5th alot then although he hasnt been named in the aeg suit yet as he?

The fact that he hasn't been named is very interesting. On the one hand, the suit is saying that Michael was having to do these concerts and pushed harder than necessary;yet, the very person who negotiated this is nowhere in the lawsuit?

 

[yaazgurl]

Re: Status hearings discussion thread / next hearing March 28th

I thought Thome was named in Katherine's lawsuit. If not they may be covering because at least Jermaine knew him personally. Thome should definitely be named in her lawsuit in my opinion

 

[TheChosenOne]

Re: Status hearings discussion thread / next hearing March 28th

Tohme should be a part of the AEG lawsuit, if the contention is that too much pressure was put on Michael.

 

[elusive moonwalker]

Re: Status hearings discussion thread / next hearing March 28th

. i presume thome wasnt named in the suit (if its correct that he isnt) even though hes prime suspect so to speak is cause hes buddies with jermaine. depending on his testimony in the crim case he maybe added later? but at the end of the day the new defence theory has probably being taken directly from the AEG lawsuit filed by randy/katherine. as we knew that lawsuit would be used against mj and the quest for justice

 

[Alma]

Re: Status hearings discussion thread / next hearing March 28th

Defensive much?

Uh-huh.

 

[TheChosenOne]

Re: Status hearings discussion thread / next hearing March 28th

Was there a time limitation on when the suit against AEG could be brought? Because if there wasn't, then the Jackson family should have waited until AFTER Murray's trial.

 

[StacyJ]

Re: Status hearings discussion thread / next hearing March 28th

. i presume thome wasnt named in the suit (if its correct that he isnt) even though hes prime suspect so to speak is cause hes buddies with jermaine. depending on his testimony in the crim case he maybe added later? but at the end of the day the new defence theory has probably being taken directly from the AEG lawsuit filed by randy/katherine. as we knew that lawsuit would be used against mj and the quest for justice

of course.. it appears to be that Murray's team is using the AEG lawsuit to toss in reasonable doubt. The truth is Murray giving MJ propofol has nothing to do with AEG. AEG doesn't have a medical degree or a medical license.

 

[StacyJ]

Re: Status hearings discussion thread / next hearing March 28th

Was there a time limitation on when the suit against AEG could be brought? Because if there wasn't, then the Jackson family should have waited until AFTER Murray's trial.

for wrongful death I thought it had to be within 1 year. I'm not sure though

 

[smoothlugar]

Re: Status hearings discussion thread / next hearing March 28th

for wrongful death I thought it had to be within 1 year. I'm not sure though

Yes, I remember reading the same, within one year since the crime was ruled out as such. (I read it on this board, from Ivy I think...).

 

[Soundmind]

Re: Status hearings discussion thread / next hearing March 28th

it appears to be that Murray's team is using the AEG lawsuit to toss in reasonable doubt. The truth is Murray giving MJ propofol has nothing to do with AEG. AEG doesn't have a medical degree or a medical license.

they are going to claim that MJ was broke, had out of control shopping habits and desperatly needed to do the concerts thus he needed to sleep , he begged for propofol that day and when Murray left to relieve himself , he selfinjected and accidently killed himself.

The judge will allow them to go there, he will allow them to go after Klien,simply because the prosecutors did not do their job and can't counter their accusations.
now we know the prosecutors did not even interview Tohme !

 

[StacyJ]

Re: Status hearings discussion thread / next hearing March 28th

they are going to claim that MJ was broke, had out of control shopping habits and desperatly needed to do the concerts thus he needed to sleep , he begged for propofol that day and when Murray left to relieve himself , he selfinjected and accidently killed himself.

The judge will allow them to go there, he will allow them to go after Klien,simply because the prosecutors did not do their job and can't counter their accusations.
now we know the prosecutors did not even interview Tohme !

You sound very confident in this assertion. I don't think the judge will allow him to go there because it has nothing to do with Murray giving MJ propofol and killing him. Keep in mind Murray was broke too and that's why he took the job. Stick with the facts Soundmind. Murray is on trial not MJ. And also keep in mind that you already said there is no proof that MJ self-injected anything. The coroner said it was impossible because of where the IV was and Murray said he left for 2 minutes. There is no way MJ could've done all of that and laid back down perfectly flat in the bed and put the needles and bottle back on the table. Why are you changing your tune?

 

[Justthefacts]

Re: Status hearings discussion thread / next hearing March 28th

Once again was the standard of care met for given propofol?

 

[StacyJ]

Re: Status hearings discussion thread / next hearing March 28th

Once again was the standard of care met for given propofol?

Exactly..

That is what this case is about. Not whether or not MJ was broke, begging, insane etc. This case is about Murray and whether the standard of care was met for administering anesthesia in a home setting. The answer is NO it was not met, so that makes Murray guilty

 

[elusive moonwalker]

Re: Status hearings discussion thread / next hearing March 28th

he judge will allow them to go there, he will allow them to go after Klien,simply because the prosecutors did not do their job and can't counter their accusations.

how did the pros not do their job? and how do u know the pros cant counter whatever the defence might say.klien is a state witness for starters.and until the judge rules on what questions can be asked of thome/klien we dont even know where the defence can take anything

 

[StacyJ]

Re: Status hearings discussion thread / next hearing March 28th

how did the pros not do their job? and how do u know the pros cant counter whatever the defence might say.klien is a state witness for starters.and until the judge rules on what questions can be asked of thome/klien we dont even know where the defence can take anything

Thank You elusive...

 

[Soundmind]

Re: Status hearings discussion thread / next hearing March 28th

how did the pros not do their job? and how do u know the pros cant counter whatever the defence might say

they did not interview him so they could not tell the judge why the defence request to subponea him should have been denied that's why they did not do their job

 

[elusive moonwalker]

Re: Status hearings discussion thread / next hearing March 28th

its wasnt the D.A who were asking for the sub to be quashed it was thomes own lawyers

 

[Autumn II]

Re: Status hearings discussion thread / next hearing March 28th

You sound very confident in this assertion. I don't think the judge will allow him to go there because it has nothing to do with Murray giving MJ propofol and killing him. Keep in mind Murray was broke too and that's why he took the job. Stick with the facts Soundmind. Murray is on trial not MJ. And also keep in mind that you already said there is no proof that MJ self-injected anything. The coroner said it was impossible because of where the IV was and Murray said he left for 2 minutes. There is no way MJ could've done all of that and laid back down perfectly flat in the bed and put the needles and bottle back on the table. Why are you changing your tune?

Agree. Michael is not on trial here, although the defense will do all they can to make it seem that he is. Oh, and Michael's "shopping" has absolutely nothing to do with Murray's standard of care, which IS the issue. That really IS the issue, and anything personal about Michael is about as relevant as "hot-air balloons" were to the trial. Which is not relevant at all, and that jury saw through all that crap. I'm assuming/hoping Murray's trial will be the same -- and that common sense will prevail. There is NO common sense in delving into Michael's finances (and Murray's were abysmal), "shopping behavior," or any of the rest of it. In the end, Murray must be accountable for what happened. . on June 25, 2009. I do think that at this late stage, we, here, should be supporting Michael and not disrespecting him, and that "devil's advocacy" should remain where it belongs. . . with the the DEVIL.