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Michael - The Great Album Debate

Why is he doing all these "haaaaaaaaaaa aaaaaaaaaaeaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaheaaaa"? this isn't the only song he does a lot of these, he should stop, sounds like a dying cat ffs. It's not even falsetto like MJ used sometimes. If I had his voice, I bet I could imitate MJ better

The music isn't that bad though, it's quite decent.
 
Aniram said:
I am wondering now...

Why Jason sang in Spanish sometimes...

Mamacita, you know...

Burn Tonight seems very similar and also similar to other Jason Malachi works.

Interesting, his name is Jason CUPETA.

Seems like he could know a thing or two about Spanish, hm???

To sing in Spanish you'd have to be fairly confident about it.
You know, I don't think you could just pick it up and sound good...
If you didn't have some Spanish background.

(Now, I know MJ sang IJCSLY in Spanish, but I think that's just a bit different and I bet he had to practice a bit for it.)
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Yeah, i can recognize Jason because i speak spanish and yesterday when i heard the song i thought the same as you and i thought it was Mamacita 2.0. By the way, we heard more spanish from him on "STAY".
 
Guys, I really don't understand...To the believers who hear Mike on Burn2Nite...WHERE is it exactly that you hear Michael? I really don't understand why people take that as an insult or just can't answer the question. If you believe it's Mike, why wouldn't you want to point out just WHY you think it's him? It seems that people are just accepting this 'new voice' as Michael Jackson's...This voice that deviates so far from Michael's genuine vocals that we've listened to our entire life...WHY do you believe this is Michael singing??? I just want to understand. That's all the doubters want is to understand WHY people think this is Michael. It sorta scares me and saddens me that people just can't answer that. They choose to avoid the question and resort to assuming the doubters are bullying an answer out of them or won't respect their opinion. I respect the opinion, I just struggle to understand it.
 
ivy said:
personally I see it as disrespectful. nobody has to agree with other people's opinion but at least you'd expect respect or at least expect it to be evaluated with an open mind and THEN be criticized. why would I bother to type up anything if I know that people approach to it with the predetermination of "excuse"?
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but, there are people here who are willing to listen and debate with you and treat you with respect.

just yesterday, when i voiced my opinon in another thread, someone called my post "putting a spin on things". i don't think that's a respectful thing to say. but, i still enjoyed the discussion because of the few people who agree to disagree...

this is not the only topic in which people have perceived bias. actually, people are opinionated on almost every topic.

anyway, have you heard burn tonight?
 
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Isn't the whole point of a debate to show 2 different sides? I think so,but a joke's a joke and some people take them too seriously.

(I don't mean what KingMikeJ said btw,sorry)
 
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I know I can never know what's in Michael's mind. His creativity had no boundaries. So, I understand when people said we just don't know what he would or would not do. So, if I say Michael would haver never considered such boyband-ish material, such as Burn Tonight, people can argue back and say my point is invalid because no one was in Michael's mind.

I ask myself is there any song in the whole Michael Jackson catalog that I think is embarassing. In my opinon, there is none. Even songs like Heartbreaker and 2000 Watts are more sophisticated. I struggle to visualize Michael Jackson singing lyrics like "I'll be standing in the rain case you change your mind" and "play me like a toy"
 
love is magical said:
I know I can never know what's in Michael's mind. His creativity had no boundaries. So, I understand when people said we just don't know what he would or would not do. So, if I say Michael would haver never considered such boyband-ish material, such as Burn Tonight, people can argue back and say my point is invalid because no one was in Michael's mind.

I ask myself is there any song in the whole Michael Jackson catalog that I think is embarassing. In my opinon, there is none. Even songs like Heartbreaker and 2000 Watts are more sophisticated. I struggle to visualize Michael Jackson singing lyrics like "I'll be standing in the rain case you change your mind" and "play me like a toy"
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I completely agree...I know some of us have said, 'Michael would NEVER write or record anything like that'...In reality, we don't know....But, I go by his track record and his past works. The Cascio tracks don't seem like anything he'd record or write, in my opinion, based on his past work. Even IF he really did record and was involved in these songs, I seriously, seriously doubt they would have EVER seen the light of day. But to say that Michael was so happy with these songs that he ordered everything to be destroyed is very hard for me to believe. When was Michael ever, really truely happy with his work? He said himself he was never satisfied with anything.

What else do we have to go by when we don't have any evidence on either side? Obviously it's all suspicion and OBVIOUSLY we can't consider any of that as fact. However, we can use instincts and consideration of his previous work habits and work, period.
 
^^Exactly! I don't claim to know Michael inside out. It's just that these songs are so inconsistent with Michael's previous work habits.

If I think hard, there is a song that I wonder why Michael would consider. That is She Got It. But then, when I listen to the demo, I hear all the Michael Jackson work habits. His instructions are kept in the recording. The vocals have his trademarks all over. At the end of the day, that song was not officially released.
 
There may not be 'evidence' per se...However, there are red flags ALL over the place in this entire situation...It just puzzles me that believers will justify these red flags, or don't even consider them as red flags at all...
 
We all know it's much easier in every sense to accept "It's processed"/"They had a people verify it it's him" than it is to think that the Cascios used deception and betrayed Michael or a greater conspiracy..No matter how suspicious the vocals/the lyrics or the creation of these songs are, there is always going to be people who will defend it to no end, which is fine.. Fans want to support official MJ products, that's good and a natural thing, and if one of the products is a little...dirty, lets say, there will be fans who will support it because they don't want people thinking there is 'fake' songs on these albums.

So what I'm saying is that it's not and never has been all about the songs, it's the big picture in all of this that's created the difference of opinion..
 
Haven't been in this thread in a while, now I remember why. Anyway, continue your discussion.
 
Tsukiji said:
We all know it's much easier in every sense to accept "It's processed"/"They had a people verify it it's him" than it is to think that the Cascios used deception and betrayed Michael or a greater conspiracy..No matter how suspicious the vocals/the lyrics or the creation of these songs are, there is always going to be people who will defend it to no end, which is fine.. Fans want to support official MJ products, that's good and a natural thing, and if one of the products is a little...dirty, lets say, there will be fans who will support it because they don't want people thinking there is 'fake' songs on these albums.

So what I'm saying is that it's not and never has been all about the songs, it's the big picture in all of this that's created the difference of opinion..
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I agree with you, especially the last paragraph. No offense to any believers. But, I feel some fans expect fellow fans to support ALL releases authorized by the MJ Estate.

Fans want to see Michael's name top the charts, the polls, etc. Some feel it's our obligations to support everything blessed by the MJ Estate as this is part of reinforcing his legacy. Some feel John Branca and John McClain can do no wrong, as they are both well known industry experts. So, some may let their fondness in the Estate interfere with their feelings on the songs.

Don't get me wrong. I respect Mr. Branca a lot. He's a brilliant entertainment lawyer. I also respect Michael wish to have him manage his Estate. But, I do not confuse with Michael's wish as the Estate's wish. What I mean is that Mr. Branca's wishes and decisions are not Michael's wishes and decisions. So, I don't see how not support one of the many projects authorized by the Estate as going against Michael's wish.
 
love is magical said:
I agree with you, especially the last paragraph. No offense to any believers. But, I feel some fans expect fellow fans to support ALL releases authorized by the MJ Estate.

Fans want to see Michael's name top the charts, the polls, etc. Some feel it's our obligations to support everything blessed by the MJ Estate as this is part of reinforcing his legacy. Some feel John Branca and John McClain can do no wrong, as they are both well known industry experts. So, some may let their fondness in the Estate interfere with their feelings on the songs.

Don't get me wrong. I respect Mr. Branca a lot. He's a brilliant entertainment lawyer. I also respect Michael wish to have him manage his Estate. But, I do not confuse with Michael's wish as the Estate's wish. What I mean is that Mr. Branca's wishes and decisions are not Michael's wishes and decisions. So, I don't see how not support one of the many projects authorized by the Estate as going against Michael's wish.
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Yep..I agree.

The funny thing is that every fan would completely support this album along with future ones if they knew that what we were getting was Michael's musical vision only..The problem is they brought in to many people.. to many people were involved with this project..There really no need for that, just select 10 completed songs and put them in the best tracklist order possible then release it..No need to bring in producers to work with these "very raw vocals" or alter his lyrics/instrumentals..Michael is the biggest selling artist for a reason here, there should be no pretending that they can 'make his songs better'. If Michael finished a song, it's should never be changed. Heck even his demo's are better than anything out there today.
 
KingMikeJ said:
Haven't been in this thread in a while, now I remember why. Anyway, continue your discussion.
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If comments like those are the kind of contribution you are going to make, then you don't need to be in any thread on this board.

StellaJackson said:
Your comment was offensive and unneccesary.
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And, stupid. There is a plcae for humor and sarcasm, but to make a joke at the expense of the suffering of someone else (someone you purport to be a fan of) is really low. And if you realize it was a mistake in saying it, do not act as if the other board members are over reacting; apologize and man up.
 
^^Exactly! Michael was the biggest selling artist not because he was calculated or commercial. He's the best selling because he's a genius. He's just that good. To be honest, I'm quite tired of the whole "materials recently brought to completion by a team of aspiring producers who followed Michael's roadmap". Seriously, no matter how hard they try, nobody can recreate that magic. Nobody can recreate that soul. I'd rather they just released album outtakes or demos with no dressing up. But, who am I? I'm not their target audience.

I understand the nature of posthumous release. That's why it's almost depressing to think about future new releases...
 
love is magical said:
but, there are people here who are willing to listen and debate with you and treat you with respect.

just yesterday, when i voiced my opinon in another thread, someone called my post "putting a spin on things". i don't think that's a respectful thing to say. but, i still enjoyed the discussion because of the few people who agree to disagree...

this is not the only topic in which people have perceived bias. actually, people are opinionated on almost every topic.

anyway, have you heard burn tonight?
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no. like I said I don't listen to leaked songs and knowing that how these songs were acquired I have no intention to click on any link that has them.
 
love is magical said:
Seriously, no matter how hard they try, nobody can recreate that magic. Nobody can recreate that soul. I'd rather they just released album outtakes or demos with no dressing up. But, who am I? I'm not their target audience.

I understand the nature of posthumous release. That's why it's almost depressing to think about future new releases...
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you're so right :(
 
love is magical said:
I understand the nature of posthumous release. That's why it's almost depressing to think about future new releases...
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See, that's the thing with posthumous releases...There are some realities we obviously have to accept...However, the sloppiness with which they've handled these releases cannot be accepted. I realize there's not much we can do, except NOT supporting the releases as we see fit. I just really feel for Michael right now. This isn't part of his mantra at all :no:

As Michael Jackson fans, we should be excited and happy about future releases. Instead, fans are fighting, being banned, ridiculed and other such nonsense, all while Michael's legacy gets dragged through the mud. The apathy just astounds me as well. Realizing, of course, that Michael isn't here to put his final touches, but when the releases deviate so far from what COULD be done and respected in terms of his legacy and work, it's very difficult to not be skeptical with what's to come in the future. :(

EDIT: BTW, speaking of posthumous releases, we got a new PS3 a little while ago, and the 'Vision' DVD's don't even work in it! It works in our old one, but not the new one! Sony's own products aren't even compatible :doh:

That's totally pathetic :lol:
 
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ivy said:
no. like I said I don't listen to leaked songs and knowing that how these songs were acquired I have no intention to click on any link that has them.
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That's understandable but then to be fair, should you really be debating and defending these songs without being in full posession of the currently available evidence? What leaked yesterday isn't "just another Cascio track", it is a song that is far more difficult to defend because it is so blatantly Jason Cupeta singing. It has changed the minds of quite a few believers. Also, I presume that means you've not heard Slave To The Rhythm, Blue Gangster, Do You Know Where Your Children Are, Escape, She Got It, Work That Body and if If You Dont Love Me to name but a few? Or do you just not want to listen to Burn 2Nite for fear that you will have to concede that you have been wrong to defend these songs. I think this debate needs to end so that we can focous our energy on making it clear to Sony that we don't want this to happen again. No more Cascio tracks should ever be used on any future product under any circumstances.
 
Ok, I need to start over. I'm sorry if my comment offended you, that's not how I intended it. My point was, Burn Tonight is a joke.
 
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