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really?they allow that? heck i hope they dont allow it in this case and its just the actual trial
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in the hearing about the witneses.in the transcript it mentioned stomach stuff but i dont know if urine was mentioned maybe ivy can clarify
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yes we heard the jurors being questioned...we didnt see them of course but they told you the age race and backround of the juror..I think it wold be beneficial for us to hear this in this case. It certainly was a big help in the other case...kinda gives you a feel as to what that juror is about
yes we heard the jurors being questioned...we didnt see them of course but they told you the age race and backround of the juror..I think it wold be beneficial for us to hear this in this case. It certainly was a big help in the other case...kinda gives you a feel as to what that juror is about
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Thanks.thats abit scary.not sure id wanna know cause of all the preconceived opinions it gives u
Thanks.thats abit scary.not sure id wanna know cause of all the preconceived opinions it gives u
Re: August 29th hearing
August 25 hearing
Flanagan: WE WANT TO TAKE A LOOK AT THE URINE SAMPLE IN VIEW OF THE RECENT STUDIES THAT HAVE BEEN PRODUCED TO US. APPARENTLY, THE PROSECUTION EXPERT HAS DONE THE FIRST-EVER STUDIES ON ORAL INGESTION, AND WE WERE GIVEN THAT A WEEK AGO OR
THE COURT: ORAL INGESTION OF PROPOFOL?
MR. FLANAGAN: YES. WE WANT TO TAKE A LOOK AT THE URINE SAMPLES TO CONFIRM AND NEGATE SOME OF THE OTHER THEORIES OF THEIR CORNERSTONE WITNESS, DR. SHAFER.
August 25 hearing
Flanagan: WE WANT TO TAKE A LOOK AT THE URINE SAMPLE IN VIEW OF THE RECENT STUDIES THAT HAVE BEEN PRODUCED TO US. APPARENTLY, THE PROSECUTION EXPERT HAS DONE THE FIRST-EVER STUDIES ON ORAL INGESTION, AND WE WERE GIVEN THAT A WEEK AGO OR
THE COURT: ORAL INGESTION OF PROPOFOL?
MR. FLANAGAN: YES. WE WANT TO TAKE A LOOK AT THE URINE SAMPLES TO CONFIRM AND NEGATE SOME OF THE OTHER THEORIES OF THEIR CORNERSTONE WITNESS, DR. SHAFER.
Re: August 29th hearing
I don't know if that will happen but we will see the questionnaires that they filed
AFTER THE JURORS HAVE FILLED OUT THEIR QUESTIONNAIRES, THEN A COPY OF THE BLANK QUESTIONNAIRE WILL BE PROVIDED. THEN WHEN WE BEGIN WITH JUROR SELECTION ON THE 23RD, AS SOON AS AN INDIVIDUAL JUROR IS QUESTIONED AND IF THAT JUROR IS ABLE TO REMAIN, THEN ONCE THAT JUROR IS ASKED QUESTIONS, THERE WILL BE A COPY OF THAT JUROR'S QUESTIONNAIRE PROVIDED TO THE PUBLIC ACCORDING TO EXISTING CASE LAW THAT I CITED A LONG TIME AGO.
I don't know if that will happen but we will see the questionnaires that they filed
AFTER THE JURORS HAVE FILLED OUT THEIR QUESTIONNAIRES, THEN A COPY OF THE BLANK QUESTIONNAIRE WILL BE PROVIDED. THEN WHEN WE BEGIN WITH JUROR SELECTION ON THE 23RD, AS SOON AS AN INDIVIDUAL JUROR IS QUESTIONED AND IF THAT JUROR IS ABLE TO REMAIN, THEN ONCE THAT JUROR IS ASKED QUESTIONS, THERE WILL BE A COPY OF THAT JUROR'S QUESTIONNAIRE PROVIDED TO THE PUBLIC ACCORDING TO EXISTING CASE LAW THAT I CITED A LONG TIME AGO.
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yes that is the same way that they did it is the Casey Anthony case..well jury selection starts in 2 days.if we ARE going to see it then it will be on court TV. atleast they are the ones that carried it before. Like I said before I think it would beneficial to hear it gives you a grasp oh WHO the jurors are. and what they may add or take away from a proper decision. thank you IVY
yes that is the same way that they did it is the Casey Anthony case..well jury selection starts in 2 days.if we ARE going to see it then it will be on court TV. atleast they are the ones that carried it before. Like I said before I think it would beneficial to hear it gives you a grasp oh WHO the jurors are. and what they may add or take away from a proper decision. thank you IVY
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Re: August 29th hearing
Yes, I know they mentioned digestion (though there is a typo and says "digestion of demerol" when in fact Chernoff is talking about withdrawal from demerol and absence of it in the toxicological findings and obviously is referring to "digestion of propofol") and stomach content, but I did not know about the new urine test to prove digestion... (maybe it's in the transcript as you suggest and I missed it). Thanks, anyway.
EDITED: Ok, thanks, Ivy. I've just seen your reply. The urine test is mentioned in the transcript of August 25th, not 29th. Thank you, again!!!
Yes, I know they mentioned digestion (though there is a typo and says "digestion of demerol" when in fact Chernoff is talking about withdrawal from demerol and absence of it in the toxicological findings and obviously is referring to "digestion of propofol") and stomach content, but I did not know about the new urine test to prove digestion... (maybe it's in the transcript as you suggest and I missed it). Thanks, anyway.
EDITED: Ok, thanks, Ivy. I've just seen your reply. The urine test is mentioned in the transcript of August 25th, not 29th. Thank you, again!!!
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Thanks ivy. wonder where there trying to go by looking at sample.presume they looked at it before?
Thanks ivy. wonder where there trying to go by looking at sample.presume they looked at it before?
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I think they want to look at Michael's entire drug history so they can find anything to cling to and say Michael lied for failed to tell him about this and this medication. Also remember that Murray claimed to be given Michael propofol for six weeks before the 25th. However, given how carelessly Murry used the drug, it is highly doubtful Michael would had lived 6 weeks under his care.
On the drinking theory, that is even more stupid, imo, than the addict defense. Why would Michael pay a doctor all that money if he somehow reached the conclusion that he can just drink the stuff? Also, wouldn't the propofol be on his tongue, which they did test, but I don't recalled them actually finding anything. Not to mention, wouldn't Michael yelled in pain or even get sick from doing something like this?
I swear, Murray's entire defense depends on Michael not reacting like a normal person.
I think they want to look at Michael's entire drug history so they can find anything to cling to and say Michael lied for failed to tell him about this and this medication. Also remember that Murray claimed to be given Michael propofol for six weeks before the 25th. However, given how carelessly Murry used the drug, it is highly doubtful Michael would had lived 6 weeks under his care.
On the drinking theory, that is even more stupid, imo, than the addict defense. Why would Michael pay a doctor all that money if he somehow reached the conclusion that he can just drink the stuff? Also, wouldn't the propofol be on his tongue, which they did test, but I don't recalled them actually finding anything. Not to mention, wouldn't Michael yelled in pain or even get sick from doing something like this?
I swear, Murray's entire defense depends on Michael not reacting like a normal person.
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Re: September 6th hearing
Murray's defense team will look for jury members that might accept the following argument:
"Well, yes, our client killed someone; but it was only that 'Specimen, Michael Jackson.'
It was all just a tragic scientific experiment gone wrong.
So, set our 'doctor' free; so he can continue his work."
Murray's defense team will look for jury members that might accept the following argument:
"Well, yes, our client killed someone; but it was only that 'Specimen, Michael Jackson.'
It was all just a tragic scientific experiment gone wrong.
So, set our 'doctor' free; so he can continue his work."
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Re: September 6th hearing
you do realize that the quote "international Notoriety" only means that Michael was known all over the world? That is a compliment towards Michael.
you do realize that the quote "international Notoriety" only means that Michael was known all over the world? That is a compliment towards Michael.
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Ramona122003;3476480 said:
Defense allegue he was addicted to demerol and was suffering from withdrawal and in desesperation resorted to drink propofol. (BTW the tongue was not analysed for toxicological findings).
From transcript of the last hearing:
CHERNOFF: Michael Jackson needed sleep because he was withdrawing and addicted, both addicted and withdrawing from Demerol. That’s important to our defense. In fact, it’s absolutely vital at the period of time that he self-ingested the Demerol (This must be a typo), he was going through the pain of withdrawal. It’s very important (...) That’s our defense.
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Notoriety isnt complementry. means notorious. well thats how i read it
Notoriety isnt complementry. means notorious. well thats how i read it
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Judge: Jackson trial 'on course' despite appeal
(AP) – 16 minutes ago
LOS ANGELES (AP) — A judge says the trial of the doctor charged in Michael Jackson's death is "on course" despite an appeal filed last week by the physician's attorneys.
Los Angeles Superior Court Judge Michael Pastor says jury selection in the case will begin as planned on Thursday unless the appeals court issues a stay in the case.
Attorneys for Dr. Conrad Murray on Friday appealed a ruling by Pastor that jurors in the upcoming involuntary manslaughter trial will not be sequestered.
Pastor says he's confident justices on the 2nd District Court of Appeal will provide some guidance soon.
Murray pleaded not guilty and faces up to four years in prison if convicted.
Authorities say he gave Jackson a lethal dose of the anesthetic propofol and other sedatives in June 2009.
Copyright © 2011 The Associated Press. All rights reserved.
http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap...at5hnQ?docId=bde0815283c2419b99d58cd27114e6db
(AP) – 16 minutes ago
LOS ANGELES (AP) — A judge says the trial of the doctor charged in Michael Jackson's death is "on course" despite an appeal filed last week by the physician's attorneys.
Los Angeles Superior Court Judge Michael Pastor says jury selection in the case will begin as planned on Thursday unless the appeals court issues a stay in the case.
Attorneys for Dr. Conrad Murray on Friday appealed a ruling by Pastor that jurors in the upcoming involuntary manslaughter trial will not be sequestered.
Pastor says he's confident justices on the 2nd District Court of Appeal will provide some guidance soon.
Murray pleaded not guilty and faces up to four years in prison if convicted.
Authorities say he gave Jackson a lethal dose of the anesthetic propofol and other sedatives in June 2009.
Copyright © 2011 The Associated Press. All rights reserved.
http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap...at5hnQ?docId=bde0815283c2419b99d58cd27114e6db
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yes it is a compliment is this case....although and I do understand what you are saying. However the author of this article is not saying it in a bad term he is just using it as a term to how popular Michael name is around the globe sorry back on topic
yes it is a compliment is this case....although and I do understand what you are saying. However the author of this article is not saying it in a bad term he is just using it as a term to how popular Michael name is around the globe sorry back on topic
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Re: September 6th hearing
DR. CONRAD MURRAY
Lawyers Seek to Bar Testimony
On Swallowing Propofol
Dr. Conrad Murray's lawyers want to ban a prosecution medical expert from testifying that ingesting Propofol would not trigger a fatal reaction.
TMZ broke the story months ago ... the defense will argue ... a frustrated Michael Jackson accidentally killed himself by either ingesting or injecting himself with a fatal dose of Propofol when Dr. Murray left the room.
Prosecutors intend to call Dr. Steven Schafer, who embraces two studies which allegedly conclude a patient can't die from orally ingesting the drug.
In one of the studies, 6 Chilean students volunteered to drink Propofol -- and they survived just fine.
Another study produced the same results, but the patients were pigs -- real pigs.
Dr. Murray's team claims the studies are hearsay, because Dr. Schafer wasn't part of the tests.
Judge Michael Pastor has not ruled on the objection.
http://www.tmz.com/2011/09/06/dr-co...equestered-death-mj-propofol/#comments-anchor
DR. CONRAD MURRAY
Lawyers Seek to Bar Testimony
On Swallowing Propofol
Dr. Conrad Murray's lawyers want to ban a prosecution medical expert from testifying that ingesting Propofol would not trigger a fatal reaction.
TMZ broke the story months ago ... the defense will argue ... a frustrated Michael Jackson accidentally killed himself by either ingesting or injecting himself with a fatal dose of Propofol when Dr. Murray left the room.
Prosecutors intend to call Dr. Steven Schafer, who embraces two studies which allegedly conclude a patient can't die from orally ingesting the drug.
In one of the studies, 6 Chilean students volunteered to drink Propofol -- and they survived just fine.
Another study produced the same results, but the patients were pigs -- real pigs.
Dr. Murray's team claims the studies are hearsay, because Dr. Schafer wasn't part of the tests.
Judge Michael Pastor has not ruled on the objection.
http://www.tmz.com/2011/09/06/dr-co...equestered-death-mj-propofol/#comments-anchor
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Re: September 6th hearing
How can that be hearsay its documented medical fact. idiots that means no medical evidence could ever be testifyed to unless you were directly involved.last minute b.s the pros better go contact those that did the research .what will be the defence argument then
How can that be hearsay its documented medical fact. idiots that means no medical evidence could ever be testifyed to unless you were directly involved.last minute b.s the pros better go contact those that did the research .what will be the defence argument then
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Re: September 6th hearing
Well said
Well said
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The defense were the ones who came out with "he swallowed it and killed himself," so the prosecution, then went and got technical evidence to prove that swallowing it will not kill you. Now they seek to bar the evidence. Similarly, the defense stated they wanted to see all the TII footage because they wanted to show Michael was out of it during rehearsals. The judge allowed them to see it. Then, they claim his worst day was good, and then tried to bar the prosecution from using it. The defense's requests are more like fishing trips; they toss something out and see what they will catch.
The defense were the ones who came out with "he swallowed it and killed himself," so the prosecution, then went and got technical evidence to prove that swallowing it will not kill you. Now they seek to bar the evidence. Similarly, the defense stated they wanted to see all the TII footage because they wanted to show Michael was out of it during rehearsals. The judge allowed them to see it. Then, they claim his worst day was good, and then tried to bar the prosecution from using it. The defense's requests are more like fishing trips; they toss something out and see what they will catch.
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Re: September 6th hearing
U can read the defence motion on the court website. link in the sticky at the top of this section of the forum.anyone feel free to tear it apart.i dont have the stomach for their crap
U can read the defence motion on the court website. link in the sticky at the top of this section of the forum.anyone feel free to tear it apart.i dont have the stomach for their crap
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Re: September 6th hearing
The defence claims of drinking it is nothing but hearsay and speculation.
The defence claims of drinking it is nothing but hearsay and speculation.
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Re: September 6th hearing
Tonge was in the A.R but smoothlugar said it wasnt tested for anything
Tonge was in the A.R but smoothlugar said it wasnt tested for anything
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Re: August 29th hearing
^^So Michael stopped taking demerol since the 90s and was still having withdrawal symptoms in 09. He was so desperate that he drank the propofol. This demerol must be some very strong drug for it to still have its effects after all these years, just saying!!!!
^^So Michael stopped taking demerol since the 90s and was still having withdrawal symptoms in 09. He was so desperate that he drank the propofol. This demerol must be some very strong drug for it to still have its effects after all these years, just saying!!!!
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Re: August 29th hearing
Klien was giving it to him.but according to the defence they seem to think that anyone who takes anything has to be addicted to it! amazing that mj was so addicted to it but he only saw klien on random days for treatments that required painkillers and there was none in his house.
Klien was giving it to him.but according to the defence they seem to think that anyone who takes anything has to be addicted to it! amazing that mj was so addicted to it but he only saw klien on random days for treatments that required painkillers and there was none in his house.
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Re: September 6th hearing
I'm so confused :doh: .... So... what was the result of today's hearing?
I'm so confused :doh: .... So... what was the result of today's hearing?
