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Did MJ Find Love In The Dark (continued)

Hey MP, u gonna laugh, but i was gonna post that exact song in the Christian thread. Since you posted only the lyrics here, imma go ahead and use the vid there. It really is inspirational. I love it. I've discovered it myself about a month ago and same as Michael's Smile, it made me cry and that is why I didn't watch it again. The message is beautiful though. Thanks for sharin' :) Who on earth would dare think they are cooler than you btw??? :p

Yo peeps, y'all didn't think i forgot my promise about Michael's lyrics, did ya? I may be the veteran of this board in terms of registration, but there are so many more of you far more adapt at this lyrical interpretation stuff. Y'all have to excuse my amateur attempts at this.

I must admit that Michael's love songs, weren't really a focus of mine until this thread came along and aroused my curiosity. Up until that point i was more focused on the Earth Songs, TDCAU, Heal the world, We've had enough and the rest of that social bonanza that fills his catalogue. I believed the sentimental stuff was just some lovey dovey, superficial, commercial attempts at selling the albums while tryin' to get people to listen to the truly important messages in music.

I have since come to reconsider my preconcieved notions and i do realize how important love is in one's life, alongside of course the higher purpose of caring and helping those in most need. They are not mutually exclusive, but rather complementary aspects of the great divine plan called life on earth and its greatest treasure, love.

The quest for true, ultimate love has been a constant in Michael's music. I've spent a lifetime, looking for someone he says in Give in to me. In Someone put your hand out he pleads and you can almost hear his soul aching while trying to find that 'love that's so divine'. In YRMW, he promises to be all that someone will need if only she would stay with him and fulfill his dreams. He goes one says that he 'had finally found a perfect love that time'. As the years proved we all discovered that was mostly wishful thinking on his part or maybe some sort of premonition because as we've all seen he has been so dreadfully alone in his darkest moments. By the time This is it was recorded he had tamed his expectations and from a 'perfect love' which he might have only found in his heart at the start of the decade maybe he had come to discover a 'real love' in his life, even if not in terms of physical proximity.

It has been offered as a theory in this thread that maybe he had been writing about this mysterious LITD girl throughout most of his life not knowing her until one day she might have, by some miracle, arrived into his life. I think that is very romantic, but also highly unlikely. If i had to guess, i would say Michael's love songs were written by other folks and those that were written by him were inspired by many women in his life. Only because he was a superbe vocalist that could carry a tune like no other and make you feel the emotions of the song, it doesn't necessarily mean any and all songs were about this chick we are speculatin' our fingers and minds away in here.

Michael put it very nicely 'it's the falling in love that's getting him high/ it was the being in love that got him to cry'. Like i've said time and again, i don't actually like to speculate since i do not know what Michael was thinking and feeling, i wasn't in the man's brain and like i've said before, i haven't met the man, so all i'm about to say is from mere observation.

I would venture a guess and say that Michael had, at least at some points in his life, maybe early on, like any of us actually, the tendency and the ease to become enchanted and infatuated with someone. We can get carried away by emotion or attraction and find certain aspects of someone appealing. That might have led to him creating many fantasies in his mind about such persons, only to be left wit the disappointment they weren't 'the one' for him after all.

I don't think this has been discussed, but how about this option – what if many of the songs, even the ones written by Michael himself, were not actually about this LITD girl, if she exists, of course, but for her???? It sounds like silly semantics, but what if he had written many things about many people, but she had made things which were written with others in mind to be about her, hence for her? Kinda like Michael singing sooo beautifully tracks like Man in the mirror and Keep the faith which he hadn't written, but had made them his own. What if she had made many songs from his past her own, even if he hadn't written them about her? Wouldn't that be even neater?

And even greater still, wouldn't it be funny if God was involved in all of this, as it has also been suggested in here, to have all kinds of things dating back to Michael's childhood fitting so well to prove that theirs was a thing that was truly meant to be? I'm pretty sure much of Michael's early songs with his brothers haven't been discussed in this thread.


The whole dream discussion which was taking place earlier on seems to be found in many songs.
In 'Find me a girl” he goes

Somebody who
Can make all my dreams
Come true

I know just what I want
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BRlJKKUYgiY

Although Jermaine sang the lead on this one, don't y'all think it would be nice if Mike could have related to this next one, a sort of 'answer' to the song before? I found that girl

The way you explained it to me that day,
You said only the right girl
Can make me feel this way
Well mama, I think I found that girl
I found that girl
she's that beautiful dream
That I dream each night,
You said son, go on and search around,
There's a good girl, who's out there, to be found

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-jjGoHb6xS0&feature=related

Maybe indeed, he never really had a dream of real love come true until he met her

I never, never had a dream come true
In my every dream, I'm loved by you
And we're free as the wind
And true love is no sin
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bs7ihwi9BXw


I'm dreaming dreams you may come true
Luck has made me a part of you
You're in my mind in such a way
How can I forget this lucky day
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yc3Exl2ek70&feature=related

What if for a good part of his life she was indeed only in his dreams. Kinda like MC Hammer's song – Have you seen her?

If I keep searching, that love I'll find,
the picture grows clearer and clearer,
from the back to the front of my mind,
and like love, a love I know I'll have,
the girl that I want, she'll be mine, she'll be fly, and it'll last,

I see her face and I can't let go,
she's in my dreams and my heart, so let me know,
(have you seen her?)
have you seen her?,
(tell me have you seen her?)
I'm looking for that love,
she's a thought and a vision in my memory,
I haven't met her, but tell me where could she be,
(have you seen her?)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B4qZec7B6oU

Maybe she was his 'ballerina girl', like Lionel sang.

I can see in you my dreams come true
don't you ever go away.
Holding you tight
how I've waited for your love.
Sometimes I've wondered if you'd ever come my way
Now that I've finally found you
this is where my heart will stay.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DUsb_VrpdYc


We've also talked about fairy tales in this thread. Turns out he wasn't very 'fond' of them as a youngster :p

Fairy tales, fairy tales
I don't enjoy,
Fairy tales and wishful dreams
Are broken toys

'Cause I'm a big boy now (Big boy)
That's looking for (Big boy)
Someone to love, oh yeah
Someone, someone to share my dreams, oh yeah
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4-mqVVj0PyU


Later on, in his teen years he actually discovered he did believe in them
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gl0pUFT4q5s&feature=related
Fairy tales
Make believe in you
Fairy tales
Make believe in you


Only to go back to his earlier attitude of cool realism in the lady in my life.

No time for castles in space
Orlivin' in make believe (Don't you just see)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bsnh4q0Rpow

Maybe indeed he had found that lady in the end, but maybe it took him a bit longer than he thought, so much so at some point he had given up hope of ever finding her.

Lady, for so many years I thought I'd never find you
You have come into my life and made me whole
And yes, oh yes, I'll always want you near me
I've waited for you for so long
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3of2F1QXtKo


Perhaps it took him so long to find her because he was so specific in his demands when he placed the order with the big man upstairs. He did sing that he wanted a different kind of lady, one made especially for him.

No, I don't wanna be with anyone else you see
'cause you were made especially for me, no no no
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CyeuiKeyF0Q


I’m here to please you
In every way I can
I searched this world
For a different kind of girl
Caught myself going girl shopping
Different kind of lady
Especially meant for me
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iUAqQga4Gec

We all know Michael was quite the shoppoholic, but maybe urns and other hideous stuff weren't the only things he sought to buy lol. Maybe that's where his strategy was all wrong, maybe he believed he could actually buy love. What song was that 'made him buy things for all the girls'.

In TWYMMF he talks about working 9 – 5 to 'buy things to keep people by his side'. That imagine to me is quite funny actually – can anybody seriously imagine Michael at some office desk, behind a comp workin' the normal hours? Lol Actually there is that virtual song from Nathan Jay which 'features' Michael just like that now that i think of it http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mIeGWn-8nF8&list=UUvz0eZy-kU-34YnBi00fSDw&index=5&feature=plcp He's the same man who brought us the wonderful Take me away piece http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F17xQ07Smtc&feature=related Seeing that lil' cartoon is enough vizualizing, had that become reality the world would have been deprived of some of its greatest art had he worked the 9 -5. Another thing that always had me crackin' is Workin' day and night where he goes in some of the performances 'workin' to put food on the table' he is sooo funny bless his heart. He really was the average Joe tryin' to make ends meat and supporting his family, lil' darlin'. :lol:

In Invincible he brags about all the things he can buy and do for a girl, whilst forgetting what himself and Stevie had sang about in “Get it”

Some think that
diamond rings, fancy cars
Will make a big impression
But I know that all she needs is my tender
Love and affection

They think that ready
cash, flashy clothes
Will fill her life with laughter
But I've got the very thing that she needs
True love forever after

Goin' back in time to his earlier shoppin' days, as a tyke he sang that

You're the one, I've been searching for
Like a special treat, in a candy store
I had to shop around to find out

(la la la la la) Love comes in different flavors
(la la la la la) I like the kind you make girl
(la la la la la) Love comes in different flavors
(la la la la la) Just wrap it up, I'll take it
Others guys like your flavor too
You say you like mine
So it's me and you

I'm gonna hang a sign, down at the candy store
Ooh all sold out, there ain't no more
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p8SEFxHN1Iw

He was quite the possesive little thing, wasn't he? Here's another song where he don't wanna share her with anybody else. Considering his imagination and his determined self i'd hate to think what he came to understand by that over time. Maybe nobody truly could love him like her and cause of that maybe he truly didn't want to share her with nobody.

The good book says, the good book says
To share with your brother.
The good book says, when it comes to you,
You better find him another.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DpZgprzNXnM

In later works that same, perhaps excessive, sense of possessiveness shows up as well. Take for example them mighty Heaven can wait lyrics. Makes ya wonder what was sooo darn special about her for him to be such a maniac in having and keeping her all to himself???

And to keep up with the sweet theme from before...honey love, honey chile, they all the same, right? LOL Michael himself recognized he had a sweet tooth.

Oh I can't believe love can be so neat
Oh, your sweet love, girl, just can't be beat
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Tg1E54UR_0


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=shkbyqyO85w
What I never could get in Honey chile was the 'shoes' conidition though – why on earth couldn't he kiss girls without shoes on LOL. I really don't get that connection.


Maybe i actually got it – maybe she needed the shoes for dacing cause she was......a dancing machine. Alright, that was corny, y'all pretend you didn't read it lol.

But if i'd have to guess, i would say being able to shake and twist and bend a bit might have been mandatory if anybody was goin' to have Michael's heart and dancing feet by her side.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lD2OsUcgb00
She's geared to really blow your mind


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=54wTW62yBn8
She's two girls in one
And she sure twice the fun


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I7465DNJSdQ
Whatever you got, I want
Whatever you want
I’ll give to you

Maybe, juusst maybe he was born to love her

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jzq7GU0K67s
Girl, as you walk by
I see the sign so deep inside
I knew it had to be
I knew right then and there
That you were made for me
And it wasn't hard to see
I guess I was born to love you
Guess I was born to love you

And maybe she was born to be his baby and he was born to be her man.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ahf2B_eZUc4&ob=av2e

Maybe she had that 'sold out' sign from that other song all over her and maybe he also had his own 'reservation'.


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Perhaps they were indeed made to love one another and couldn't get enough of each other lol. I understand Mr. Gene Simmons has had some rather inflamatory remarks when it comes to Michael's integrity. I would think that is rather unfortunate, but like they say – lapses in judgement can happen to anyone, even to the best of us. This next song still rocks....http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kNGNLo8K6Fk

Although he might have been the best of joy and forever for his fans, maybe once he met her his forever really did begin.

For everlasting love
I’ve been forever dreaming of
At last, at last
My forever came today
When you walked into my life
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CTEGraARUxs

Through thick and thin
I will always love you
Through good and bad weather
We're together (together)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SVr4-tBGC8Q

The eyes of love will watch you
As you go from day to day
The hands of love will catch you
When you fall along the way
My arms will hold and be with you
Your whole life through
’Cause I am love
And I’m in love with you
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4C2PmYY0xDc

Maybe it took him so long cause he actually had...as outrageous and downright sacrilegious as this may sound to many....to earn her love? There's a song from Michael's younger years, which says

Could it be your love is something that I've got to earn?
Though I get good grades in school
I've got a lot to learn about you

What if you turn them 'good grades' into 'he made Thriller/Bad/Dangerous....& people screamed and shouted at his mere sight'? I know it's very difficult a mind exercise to be made considering who Michael was, but do you think that should have had an overwhelming impact on his relationship to her? His fame and people's reaction to him, although impossible to ignore, should not have been the main aspect of their relationship. I do get the feeling that at times, in this thread we made the mistake of confusing his career for his life. What if not only she needed time to prepare herself for him, but also he needed a few lessons before actually reaching her?

Prince has a glorious song which goes

If I ever held a hand
It was only because I'd never held your hand
That was part of the plan
I had 2 get it right if I was 2 be your man
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0h7JQs4ehAU

Beyond any true or perceived connections between his songs and whatever love affair he might have had of whatever nature and with whomever (all of those are irrelevant points from the outside, it's their business at the end of the day and night), i do believe they were just a couple of people simply in love.

In this thread it has been said that this story has been going on for decades, as far as the early 80s, maybe even earlier. How realistic is that though? Who would wait around for anybody for decades? I know i'm getting' sick and tired of hangin' around after my guy after three years, but then again, he ain't no Michael Jackson.

Although living under some extraordinary circumstances, Michael had some really ordinary needs – like any of us human beings, he wanted to be loved for who he was and not what he was. For all that simplicity Michael was also a highly complex individual. And that is why, I think that he needed not only a 'two in one girl, twice the fun' like that song went but about three dozens of them all rolled up into one, fact which is virtually impossibile and makes this whole LITD story improbable.

It is a wild exercise in imagination on my part and some might accuse me of analyzing Michael without having spoken to him or met the man, but i would say that he needed a girl that could be very many things. In most relationships we seek someone who will on the one hand mirror ourselves, but also complete us in those 'areas' where we are lacking in order to compensate and create balance.

for his confunked self.....................someone with a clear mind

for his stylish self..........................someone elegant

for his pijama lovin' behind..............some negligent bummer

for his big ego..............................someone to humble him

for his insercure self.....................someone to restore his faith and confidence

for the social rebel in him...............someone with an agenda to do good

for his beautiful self.......................someone ugly j/k

for his strong self..........................someone weak whose insecurities he could pray on

for his weak self...........................someone strong enough to stand by his side

for his assertive self......................someone submissive

for the victim in him.......................someone to stand up for him in front of others

for the manipulator in him................someone just as mischevious

for his overconfident self................someone not afraid to tell him 'no' and 'you're wrong'

for the kink and pimp in him............a slut and a freak, but only for him

for the jealous guy in him...............a possesive lover

for the megastar in him..................someone who wouldn't mind sharing him with the world

for the artist in him.......................a muse to inspire him

for the faithful man in him..............a fellow believer

for the country boy in him.............a peasant

for his globetrottin' behind.............a gypsy

for his inquisitive mind..................someone curious

for the slave to the music in him..........a master

for the master in him.........................a slave

for the teacher in him........................a student

for the student in him.......................a trainer

for the American in him......................a Lib(r)erian girl j/k

for the sick puppy in him.....................a nurse

for the busy man..............................someone to give him his space

for the forgetful man in him................someone to remind him of his duties

for his passive self...........................someone pro-active

for his ultra energetic self................someone to cool him down

for the funny guy in him...................someone who could take a joke

for the prankster in him....................someone who would play pranks on him

for the ornery one in him..................someone who could pass most, if not all of his tests

for the feeble one in him...................someone who would stand by him even if he passed few of hers

for the playful one in him..................someone who liked games

for the little boy in him....................a little girl

for the adult in him.........................a mature soul

for the perfectionist in him...............someone highly flawed and imperfect to teach him life is imperfect

for the procrastinator in him......................someone to get him to move

for the anxious one in him................someone to reassure him that everything would be alright


for all his other needs.............a friend


This next picture comes pretty close to demonstratin' the many Michaels that were out there.....

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Sooo, considerin' all of that it is rather unlikely, realistically speaking, that he could find all of that wrapped up into a single human being. Maybe he came very close with some girls who had some of those traits, but he might have been too complex. But then again, who knows? If God made him, maybe, just maybe He also made his match.

In any case, all of this speculation is solely for the purpose of entertainment. We don't actually know if there ever was a girl at all and with Michael being gone very little remains of this highly elusive tale.

If there is such a girl somewhere out there, can you imagine how difficult this time must be for her? I was talking about this with a friend of mine earlier this year and he was telling me how June 25[SUP]th[/SUP] 2009 must have 'had her questioning everything she thought she knew', like he put it, especially if, all the communication they ever shared was of spiritual nature and somehow through his songs. Like he was saying, at that point, when Michael passed away, she must have been on the brink of insanity, cause like my friend said, that would have been the normal, human reaction.

If, like it has been said here, they never did meet in real life and he couldn't 'keep her happy with all his might' like he sang ever so beautifully in this duet with Bryan Loren http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D3XtyzlWz4s and even if he wasn't there when she woke up and said 'hello, world' http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Feq_q8gfj0c, hopefully he made her feel that when she was 'with him', whatever that meant, she was indeed at home, cause maybe he truly was her home http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_xYEIGSOLq8.

It would really be a shame if singing to and about her was all he actually got to do. Not only would the poor chick be in a deplorable state by now not being able to have truly and completely lived with the love of her life, but who knows, if theirs was the providentially outstanding kinda love we've all speculated about, maybe it was also a great loss for him as well. Who knows what he actually missed out on?

Maybe she was the best he (n)ever had. Maybe she is hanging somewhere in the spheres caught up between Drake's http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JkhK-d-e-vY and Beyonce's songs http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FHp2KgyQUFk....who knows, right?

Let's hope for both of their sake that Michael did manage somehow to let her know, even if not in every way and not every day that she was the only one for him because for him tomorrow didn't come. And that's what makes this whole supposed story so beautiful and so very tragic at the same time. I guess it's just another of them sad, terrible scripts...whatta complete waste of a marvelous opportunity to show the world what true love is really all about.

[video=youtube;S4kzGhDEURA]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S4kzGhDEURA&ob=av2e[/video]


[video=youtube;kv9lL-Lyu2A]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kv9lL-Lyu2A[/video]

When i was in Solvang one of the books i bought at the bookstore there was a short collection of love poems. This next one fits perfectly in here - The parting, by Michael Drayton (1563 - 1631)

<dt style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: 'Times New Roman'; background-color: rgb(240, 235, 214); font-size: medium; ">
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INCE there's no help, come let us kiss and part--</dt><dt style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: 'Times New Roman'; background-color: rgb(240, 235, 214); font-size: medium; ">Nay, I have done, you get no more of me;</dt><dt style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: 'Times New Roman'; background-color: rgb(240, 235, 214); font-size: medium; ">And I am glad, yea, glad with all my heart,</dt><dt style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: 'Times New Roman'; background-color: rgb(240, 235, 214); font-size: medium; ">That thus so cleanly I myself can free.</dt><dt style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: 'Times New Roman'; background-color: rgb(240, 235, 214); font-size: medium; ">Shake hands for ever, cancel all our vows,</dt><dt style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: 'Times New Roman'; background-color: rgb(240, 235, 214); font-size: medium; ">And when we meet at any time again,</dt><dt style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: 'Times New Roman'; background-color: rgb(240, 235, 214); font-size: medium; ">Be it not seen in either of our brows</dt><dt style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: 'Times New Roman'; background-color: rgb(240, 235, 214); font-size: medium; ">That we one jot of former love retain.</dt><dt style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: 'Times New Roman'; background-color: rgb(240, 235, 214); font-size: medium; ">Now at the last gasp of Love's latest breath,</dt><dt style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: 'Times New Roman'; background-color: rgb(240, 235, 214); font-size: medium; ">When, his pulse failing, Passion speechless lies,</dt><dt style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: 'Times New Roman'; background-color: rgb(240, 235, 214); font-size: medium; ">When Faith is kneeling by his bed of death,</dt><dt style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: 'Times New Roman'; background-color: rgb(240, 235, 214); font-size: medium; ">And innocence is closing up his eyes,</dt><dt style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: 'Times New Roman'; background-color: rgb(240, 235, 214); font-size: medium; ">--Now if thou wouldst, when all have given him over,</dt><dt style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: 'Times New Roman'; background-color: rgb(240, 235, 214); font-size: medium; ">From death to life thou might'st him yet recover.</dt>
http://www.poetry-archive.com/d/the_parting.html

Don't we all wish she did indeed exist and could 'recover' him from death to life for all of us ??? Unfortunately, life is not made of poetry, wishes and song lyrics. There's a reality we are all facing these days and most of us have a very hard time coping with it.



I don't wanna end this on such a sad note though. Here's a funny little thang. Y'all check lil' and big Mike' sayin' the same lines from ABC a few decades apart – it's from 1:56 – 2:03 in both vids. Is that funny or what??

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GaE3m6gY1Vw&feature=related

Sit down, girl!
I think I love you!
No!
Get up, girl!
Show me what you can do!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8nEXHhqa9qs :lol:

And here's my lil' creative merger of those two. The result is awesome, if i may say so in my ever so humble opinion http://picosong.com/3FsP/ :p


Also funny is the 1:03 – 1:05 moment in here http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u-BUQ-b4ecs I would've given just about anything to hear the grown up version of that one lolol. Can y'all imagine Mike goin': I wanna, I wanna....just....biiite ya . There is actually a way around that and there is a similar tune i've done, but that one is not for public consumption, at least not yet. In any case, he would go somethin' like dis:

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*Cut it out you ramblin' head with your crazy theories and makeshift songs stealin' my tunes and words away like dat. Beat it already.*


I should actually be on my way now. I like to think I provided enough distraction and entertainment for this current session. Since i'm fairly positive i won't be makin' any apparances around here during the holiday season i would like to take this opportunity, even if a bit early, to wish you all a Merry Christmas and a very happy new year. Here's one of my favorite songs from the J5 boys - Up on the house top http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I6XrBLKaooc&feature=related


And btw of this thread.....although it may get inactive every now and then, it is sort of an never ending story.

[video=youtube;3khTntOxX-k]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3khTntOxX-k[/video]
Look at what you see.
In her face the mirror of your dreams.

Make believe I'm everywhere, living in your eyes.
Written on the pages is the answer to a never ending story.

As long as we all believe in love and magic and imagination, kinda like in the movie......nothing is truly lost.

God bless you everyone.

P.S. At times i don't use the quote marks as i should and i 'borrow' people's words. If some of mine offended at times, the problem could be up on the 'next level'. And one more thing.........about my trip to Neverland – what makes anyone think that if i did get in i would actually write or talk about it?
 
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I don't post here that much. I mostly just read everything all of you say, but I have to say, This is my favorite thread out of eva thread that is on this forum. :)
 
lulubelle said:
I don't post here that much. I mostly just read everything all of you say, but I have to say, This is my favorite thread out of every thread that is on this forum. :)
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Well, just for you then, lulubelle (for it is so kind of you to stop by and say what you did above) I will have to come back maybe tomorrow and post one of my loooong ones...lol. :flowers:



~ btw, hi, Ashtanga. *waves* :holiday: :scorerer:
 
Aww Shila! I'd love to read what you have to say..Feel free to post one of your long ones hehe :)
 
I wish there were someone else as interesting, as good, and who deserves as much respect as Michael out there who I could be a fan of or just be interested in but he is the best. It's not even about his music because I love all kinds of music and his isn't necessarily my favorite. I just miss there being someone out there as creative and fascinating and wonderful. He was a good man, loving father, fun, unique... so unique that nobody really compares. He was fun to be a fan of. He made it all a mystery and like a game but not. Like an important game... maybe game is the wrong word. An adventure. That's it. He made it all a big adventure that felt like it had a very important outcome. Maybe parts of that weren't even a direct result of his doing but it surrounded him. The horrible accusations weren't good, but even that gave us all something to stand up against and fight for because we could easily see it was so wrong and such an injustice because he has done all kinds of good for this world. He's influenced this world heavily in a positive way. Who can be that for me now? I had such admiration for him and what happens now? It's sad.

In many ways, the only one who was like him to me was my father. I didn't realize it until recently but there were so many similarities. If you met the two in person I'm sure you would think I'm nuts for saying it. My dad was a cowboy and carpenter and jack of all trades and in the end he was a sailor, but no one in the world had ever taken me on an adventure like Michael had but my own father. He also loved to sing and create his own music. He loved children and always beamed with pride when holding one of his newborn grandchildren and loved to play with them as they got older. Dad loved to dance and was the best dance partner to have, a great leader. He was creating and inventing things all the time. He had big dreams and was a child at heart for his whole life but could also be serious and give the best advice in any situation. Dad could get furious over injustice but he wanted to take care of things in a non-violent way if possible. He took care of situations. If someone was in trouble, you called my father and he would take care of it. He did that for a stranger just as often as for his own family, but would give his life for my brother and I if he felt it necessary. Nothing intimidated him or if it did, he would face it head on anyways. He had a genius IQ and though he was proud of it, he was humble in his own way too...but could also be cocky about his abilities as well. He also loved my mom throughout his whole life even though they had split up when I was just 6. So he never did remarry or find another to love the way he had with my mom. He died single and we all wished he would have found someone who could have taken care of him, just as we here wish Michael had found someone to be that for him. There are also many ways they aren't alike, but both are so unique and much too much to ever have to lose. I feel lost without a good man around to look up to. To admire. To make me still have hope that maybe there's more out there like them as well.

I don't know why I am writing this here. I hope his kids keep that love of adventure and curiosity in life that their father must have instilled in them, as well as that humanitarian need to help others when they can despite time and time again of people taking advantage of that. It's a good trait to have despite those who will abuse it and despite those who would advise them against having. There are enough good people in the world that it's worth spreading some benefit of the doubt and trust around. Yes be aware of the possibility of bad happening, but be open to all the good as well. I miss having my father around to help me when someone would take advantage of me, but I don't want to quit believing in people just because he isn't here to bail me out or give advice when someone does hurt me.

I miss being the girl my dad raised. This world tries to make skeptics of us all. I want to still believe in the impossible, and possible.
 
^^ That was a lovely post, Ape.

It's good to see you in here, too, Lorraine! :hug:

lulubelle, I haven't forgotten about you and writing a post for this thread, but I just haven't had the opportunity to focus on an involved post (as it will probably end up being) for awhile. Personal things going on in my life have prevented it.

And now I think I would like to give others a chance to respond to Ape's post before I might take things in a different direction, for her post says some important things, and wonderful things about Michael, and it is kind of nice to ruminate on those things for a bit. :)
 
Thank you Shila, but it's alright. You can post something not to do with what I wrote. I just wrote it out of the blue. Didn't expect to share anything like that here, it just happened. So we can move on from it. Not sure I even realized I felt all that before.
 
Thanks Ape, for your post. It's interesting that your father reminded you of Michael. I think my mother reminded me of him also, even though that probably sounds so strange. It's also interesting that your post was posted on the anniversary of her passing. I can't say they had a whole lot in common. I mean, she wasn't exactly an electrifying entertainer or anything even remotely like that. I guess it was something about their hearts that were similar -- the goodness, the kindness, the gentleness, the innocence, the child-likeness. Also, when I lost the both of them, I felt like I lost everything that was good about life and this cold world. I kinda feel like I'm lost in a world full of strangers, kind of like in that song I posted a while back. I mean, there are other people in this world who are also kind and I know they mean well and everything, but still something is missing, well, maybe a whole lot is missing actually. I think I was able to pinpoint what that was the other day. I think I was finally able to figure out what I got from my mom - and Michael that I don't get too much of anywhere else. I think that missing "thing" is actually ... unconditional love and acceptance.
 
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I think that is it isn't it? My dad was the same and yes, I couldn't imagine my father entertaining how Michael had, though he had in his own way to much smaller crowds; it was that he loved me no matter what and I never felt judged by him. Even when he had every right to judge me, he instead was just there for me showing that he loved me and nothing I could ever do would take that love away. He accepted me always and so often was proud of me and believed in me. In a world where it feels you cannot even show your face without being judged (whether beautiful or ugly in the worlds eyes) it was needed to have at least someone who could see and accept others just as they are. .. and I know there are more people like that in the world, it's just my dad for sure was that special one for me and Michael had become that as well in a different way. Special to me.

Thank you for your response MP and letting me know you understand too.

For me it makes it easier believing he is still out there somehow. To know that goodness is around. I hope, even though it may not be so. Otherwise it's just too sad.
 
MP</SPAN> and Ape, thank you both for your posts above. The two of you were so blessed to have a parent who loved you in such a way. It is a rarity. Prince, Paris and Blanket were very lucky to have a parent who loved them like that, weren&#8217;t they?

When someone we know dies, it so often causes us to re-evaluate what things are really important to us and it can get us to want to line up better with those things. At some point in the night, last night, as I was lying in bed, I was thinking how, you know, I could die at any time. I could die tonight if God decides it. My mother died in her sleep about a week ago. She probably went to bed that last time not thinking it was going to be her time to go. Few of us will get any warning in advance when our time to die will be. This realization, I guess, really should put things in perspective for us and make us bolder about some of the decisions we might make while we&#8217;re still here waiting for our turn.
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Shhaaaby</SPAN>, I already told you as much through rep, but your recent post was so good, and I know how much effort it takes to put together a post like that and yours was so incredibly thought-through. Posts like yours, and Ape&#8217;s last longer one that had such honesty to it, are so appreciated in here. They really get us thinking. :)</SPAN>
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</SPAN>And, Shhaaaby, I think I also already let you know that I especially enjoyed your image of the &#8220;LITD girl&#8221; who MJ &#8220;possessed.&#8221; Haha&#8230;hey MP, remember how we have had some talks about how MJ&#8217;s lyrics so often came off like he owned the girl before he even got close to it, that girl is MINE! She&#8217;s MY Baby!!! I thought Shhaaaby&#8217;s image here,

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did a great job of communicating just that in one quick glance. </SPAN></SPAN></SPAN>It reminds me of what he and his brothers were taught at a young age to do:
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Think it, See it, Believe it, Make it happen!
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MJ seemed to take those words seriously when it came to his career&#8230;what if he transferred that over to his love life. He sees a girl, she knocks him off his feet (haha) and he decides to "make her his" beginning first in his mind, and then spent time picturing it as being so (is that called &#8220;daydreaming), and with all his heart believing it will be so..and then, make it happen.

Had MJ been carrying the first three steps in his mind for years about some girl, but never had the opportunity to make it happen... and then it was too late? :(
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Could it be that </SPAN></SPAN>while he was still believin,&#8217; he was making his lyrics sound like &#8220;it had already happened&#8221; , while at the same time &#8220;it was still yet to happen&#8221;, and all of that kind of contradicting we&#8217;ve discussed before in how it takes place in a few of his songs (ie You Rock MY World, She Drives Me Wild, to name a few).</SPAN>

I also thought this take of yours, Shabuuuuya, was interesting:</SPAN>

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I don't think this has been discussed, but how about this option &#8211; what if many of the songs, even the ones written by Michael himself, were not actually about this LITD girl, if she exists, of course, but for her???? It sounds like silly semantics, but what if he had written many things about many people, but she had made things which were written with others in mind to be about her, hence for her? Kinda like Michael singing sooo beautifully tracks like Man in the mirror and Keep the faith which he hadn't written, but had made them his own. What if she had made many songs from his past her own, even if he hadn't written them about her? Wouldn't that be even neater?
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I think this makes a bunch of sense. Imagine how amazing it would be for her to listen to so many of the early Jackson5 songs, and many of MJ&#8217;s earlier songs, and see how they would fit their &#8220;story&#8221;, if there really is a story. ;)
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MP, about this here,</SPAN>

MysteriousPhoenix;3515604 said:
Do you think it would just be better for two people to wait to experience "true love" in the "Great Beyond" rather than try to have it now in this life? I don't know how well this world can sustain love.
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I don&#8217;t know how well this world can sustain love either. Love will be perfected once in Heaven though. No more evil, no more hate to get in the way. It seems though that we might have to settle for less than what often times our expectations build up about love&#8230;romantic love or man and wife love.
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I was going to post a list that Shhaaaby put together that was quite good in her last post, but it is very long and will make this post probably too long, but it really was like a list of what MJ perhaps would like God to have in place in the woman God had for him. I&#8217;ll just post a bit of it to help you recall:

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It was really good. And having a list before God of what you would like in a mate I suppose is not such a rare thing. I remember when I worked with a friend amost twenty years ago that she was telling me that her and a friend were gonna get &#8220;serious&#8221; about helping God find them their God-given mate. I was single at the time, and was like&#8230;
"Is there anything you can do to help that along? o_O&#8221;

She said, &#8220;Not sure, but this is what we are going to do. We are going to fast together one day a week and write a list of about maybe twenty things in what we want in a mate and give that over to God!&#8221;

I was like, "&#8230;okay. Let me know how that all goes&#8230;&#8221; haha. Wouldn&#8217;t you know it - they were both married within a year of that conversation. :O I was around to watch my friend begin her relationship with her future husband (I&#8217;m still around them after all these years later) and I asked her at the time, </SPAN>

&#8220;Is he matching your list?&#8221;</SPAN>

She said, &#8220;Yes, everything, even down to us both loving dolphins! Oh&#8230;except one thing on there, I forgot. It was pretty shallow of me anyway, but I put that I&#8217;d rather he would have a full head of hair&#8230;and as you can see&#8230;he is already balding! But I find now it&#8217;s not that big of a deal to me afterall.&#8221;
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Haha. There&#8217;s that dying to expectations thing, huh?
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I had remembered all this, but what I hadn&#8217;t remembered is that I had written a list myself. It wasn&#8217;t until recently when I had to find my son&#8217;s immunization card in this toss all drawer that I came across a folded piece of paper. I opened it up and was like, &#8220;What is this?&#8221; Then I remembered. I had even scribbled a date on there. Instead of 20 things like my friend had come up with, I only put ten. I thought I&#8217;d go ahead and share it with you (I scanned it in), </SPAN>

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I got married about a year and a half after her, but things about the man I married did not match up so well. I thought, well, maybe my list wasn&#8217;t so very important to God or that maybe in time more things would match. Maybe my expectations for my life were too high. I think whenever I get a disappointment in such a way I think in that way. Is it rationalizing or is it maturity?

I remember one night, I think it was around this time in &#8217;93, I was working behind a register in a bookstore that was extremely busy at the moment&#8230;ten people deep at both my register and my co-worker&#8217;s next to me. Then the strangest thing happened, all of a sudden this guy who I had never seen before, kind of squeezed between the two lines quickly and from a little distance back from the counter yells out to me, &#8220;You have beautiful eyes!&#8221; I was so startled, not to mention embarrassed, and said a quiet &#8220;thank you&#8221; in response. Then got back to work, but soon noticed that he like&#8230; vanished. I really don&#8217;t have that pretty of eyes and I wasn&#8217;t completely flattered by the compliment because it was so strange for some guy to do something like that&#8230;but, on the otherhand, while I was continuing ringing up books, I spoke to God for a moment and said,

"Oh Lord, it would mean so much to me if the man I marry one day would think my eyes are pretty."
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It wasn&#8217;t too long after I married my husband, that he shared with me two different things. First, that when he first saw me he wasn&#8217;t all that into my looks, I wasn&#8217;t his type. Second, he said that he thought my eyes were nothing special. *sigh* So what was I to do with that? Had my expectations once again been too high? Does God not care then about these kinds of things or take as seriously as we do about &#8220;our lists&#8221;? Now days, of course, my eyes are old and tired. No one would think they are pretty now.
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I received in the mail about a week ago a short message from someone, a special woman of God who was sharing how she had bought more than a year ago(and money for them does not grow on trees) a deluxe shower head. She was so excited. However, around the time of installing it, the water pressure where they lived decreased, and the shower head spray has always been whimpy at best&#8230;worse then the one they replaced. After a few years of &#8220;enduring&#8221; this, her husband suggested maybe trying another shower head. They did and low and behold, it never was the water pressure at all, the new showerhead works great. The deluxe shower head had been defective all along. She had just accepted it and endured unnecessarily. She had had no idea what was really going on, and so accepted.</SPAN>

It made me think about how often I just accept that things can&#8217;t be any better for me, or that I just need to endure, because God wants me to be mature and not have such high expectations for things in my life. Do any of you do that?

How very different from Michael Jackson. He wanted it all&#8230;and set his sights high, and believed God would give him whatever he asked for.</SPAN>

This woman felt God told her during a prayer time, "How many other things are like your shower head? They aren't what you want, but you just assume I can't make them better?" And she added this scripture: James 4:2, "...You do not have because you do not ask."
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For Michael it was all about this:

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Isn&#8217;t that a lot like having faith that God will surely answer your prayers if you believe He will. The end part, I guess, above would be more like - God will be the one to make it happen.
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Ask for something as if it has already been given to you and then wait. That&#8217;s faith. </SPAN>

But not always so easy to do, huh?</SPAN>

MP </SPAN>are we setting our expectations too high to think we can experience true love here on earth and will be able to sustain it? I dunno. It sure seems like it. Or Ape can we find magic again in our lives? Or is there still the unconditional love and acceptance we yearn for out there for us?
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&#8220;With man this is impossible, but not with God; all things are possible with God"
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It just depends what His will is for our lives. But it is so hard to know sometimes what His will is or what we should just accept and endure, or what we need to keep pressing in on in prayer or with our actions.

It&#8217;s like the Serenity Prayer I suppose, that has been posted in here before. Didn&#8217;t you post this once, Ash?</SPAN>

God, grant me the serenity to accept the things I cannot change,
Courage to change the things I can,
And wisdom to know the difference.

</SPAN></SPAN>It seems we need God to show us the way at every turn. And when we are having a hard time believing, we can ask like the father of the demon possessed boy did who said to Jesus to &#8220;do something if he can&#8221;. Jesus said, &#8220;If I can.&#8221; I remember the father said quickly, &#8220;I do believe. Help my unbelief!&#8221;

It is so true, Ape, that something seems to be missing without MJ being here with us like before. :( How you said the MAGIC is gone. There is a member I have noticed just recently whose user name everytime I see it makes me break out in song. Or at least one small part of a song. The member's name is love is magical and I have noticed them because they usually write very fair and reasonable posts and I always appreciate that! :) You can probably guess what lines of what song I was finding myself singing, when doing dishes or housework...it was happening a lot:

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It made me think that the words he sang there in TII really do reflect what the fans feel about him. His love has always been magical to all of us, and if only we could have found a way to truly explain that to him.


Well, because the song wouldn't leave me the other day, I thought I would sponteneously record it. Unfortunately, my computer is pathetic these days and you can hear its motor pretty loud in the recording, lol. I just made a quick clip with Sound Recorder, and didn't first go listen to it on YouTube so typical me, got the words wrong...so, please know this is imperfect and I'm no pro singer :blush:,

but maybe anyone who would like to can sing along with me to Michael and maybe he will hear it up in the sky and know how we feel about his love, and that we all love him back. :)

EDIT: I can't get the link to work like it is supposed to so maybe everyone can just sing with the words below (probably better off not hearing me sing anyway. *sigh* :blush:)



Michael, your love is magical.

That's how we feel

There are worlds and worlds of ways to explain

To tell you...


We love you...


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Shila;3542393 said:
It’s like the Serenity Prayer I suppose, that has been posted in here before. Didn’t you post this once, Ash?

God, grant me the serenity to accept the things I cannot change,
Courage to change the things I can,
And wisdom to know the difference.
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:yes: But do not ask me when it was because I do not remember. :lol: :blushing: :fear:



I think it was this... was on my picture files:


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^ State of Independence! How -did- that slip by us?!! :D I like it. Who's able to pick out MJ's vocals? Woah...that's a trick. lol. I think we can probably feel his essence throughout the whole song. :yes:

MP, thank you for liking my post and I am looking forward to your comments...hope you come by again real soon. :)


EDIT: btw, Ash, this emoticon you used in a recent post is so cute, lol!!!

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