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Re: Frank Cascio "My Friend Michael" book release date Nov 15 ,2011 / Excerpt posted at @pg151
I do believe the spider bite story because a doctor backed the story and it matched the infection of the spider that bite him. I don't believe the needle infection story or whatever Frank said in his book. Just as I don't believe Michael only signed 10 shows, as Frank said in Gest's doc.
It seems that Frank has been talking to Karen too much. Why is this woman the go to source anyway instead of Kenny or Payne?
I do believe the spider bite story because a doctor backed the story and it matched the infection of the spider that bite him. I don't believe the needle infection story or whatever Frank said in his book. Just as I don't believe Michael only signed 10 shows, as Frank said in Gest's doc.
It seems that Frank has been talking to Karen too much. Why is this woman the go to source anyway instead of Kenny or Payne?
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Re: Frank Cascio "My Friend Michael" book release date Nov 15 ,2011 / Excerpt posted at @pg151
^Is why I asked you to name the others using Shaffel and Dieter as examples. How is that a trick question when u made it an issue by bringing others into the mix? SMH
By the way I don't like to say "WE" because we are all individuals and don't want to group everyone together as if we all share the same opinon cause we clearly don't. That's why I always say "SOME" instead.
LOL SERIOUSLY?! Can't be that irrevalant since u replied back anyways. And Umm... Proably because you said this:
^Is why I asked you to name the others using Shaffel and Dieter as examples. How is that a trick question when u made it an issue by bringing others into the mix? SMH
We know alot about MJ HIStory but, certainly not 100%. Especially when one gets to tell one side without the other whether it's their perspective or not because one will end up with what exactly happen when Frank decided to say such personal and some inaccurate things about MJ that had many not just myself confused because it became a contradiction of what we heard prior. How is that wrong to point out? And also You are now fighting with me because I don't agree with u, so go figure!
Like I said before one has to know what they are talking about before they make their argument so for me to say the reason why I don't like that he shared personal things wouldn't make sense if I didn't know that he said now does it? When fans write to the media about hateful things or an article that they liked about MJ they have to know what they are talking about first don't they? Because how would u be defending ur point if u didn't point out what u liked about the book? So sorry ur point is lose there. Also I never said I hate Frank and the book. I simply said I don't agree with many if the personal ish he wrote in their about him and the people he associates with like Shumely and Freidman bother me. And that opinion won't change if I did or whether I will read the book. So I don't see how or why people will think so? I know many like urself postion on the book too yet, u guys still argue with other members like me too about it, so how are u calling me hypocrite then?! SMH
By the way I don't like to say "WE" because we are all individuals and don't want to group everyone together as if we all share the same opinon cause we clearly don't. That's why I always say "SOME" instead.
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Re: Frank Cascio "My Friend Michael" book release date Nov 15 ,2011 / Excerpt posted at @pg151
No offense but I don't know how you come to this conclusion. To me, most of the fans didn't take Frank's word as the gospel. At least it's not what I saw in this thread. Frank's words is only his side of story. To me, he is just one of the source to get some information of MJ's life. I didn't see too many people "buy his story" fully. I don't know why you get this impression. I am actually amazed that some people just jump to Frank if he wrote something that might not fit the MJ in people's mind and honestly how many people actually know MJ in person?
I can understand that fans being really defensive and want to protect MJ. I admitted that I myself also sometimes being over-reacted to MJ's family/friends/business associates. For example, at the beginning I also get really mad toward Frank. However, sometimes people might just being to harsh to MJ's friends.
No offense but I don't know how you come to this conclusion. To me, most of the fans didn't take Frank's word as the gospel. At least it's not what I saw in this thread. Frank's words is only his side of story. To me, he is just one of the source to get some information of MJ's life. I didn't see too many people "buy his story" fully. I don't know why you get this impression. I am actually amazed that some people just jump to Frank if he wrote something that might not fit the MJ in people's mind and honestly how many people actually know MJ in person?
I can understand that fans being really defensive and want to protect MJ. I admitted that I myself also sometimes being over-reacted to MJ's family/friends/business associates. For example, at the beginning I also get really mad toward Frank. However, sometimes people might just being to harsh to MJ's friends.
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Wow! The spider bite has been confirmed by doctors, the pictures were posted on a hospitals' website showing the progress of healing. If you think doctors faked this up and lied to a judge, than I don't know what to say. Taking Frank's word over hard cold evidence, says it all to me really.
Oh and BTW:
Roger Friedman:
Gee, I wonder who this "very inside" source was?!
See, that's the stuff I'm talking about that may have made MJ suspicious about Frank (and rightfully so). If he suspected Frank was giving crap to Friedman and other media, then he had every right to distance himself. (BTW, T-Mez going on Nancy Grace has nothing to do with this, unless T Mez was giving her crap stories about MJ, which he was not.)
Oh and BTW:
Roger Friedman:
Gee, I wonder who this "very inside" source was?!
See, that's the stuff I'm talking about that may have made MJ suspicious about Frank (and rightfully so). If he suspected Frank was giving crap to Friedman and other media, then he had every right to distance himself. (BTW, T-Mez going on Nancy Grace has nothing to do with this, unless T Mez was giving her crap stories about MJ, which he was not.)
Re: Frank Cascio "My Friend Michael" book release date Nov 15 ,2011 / Excerpt posted at @pg151
It's impossible to take his word as "gospel" as Frank himself has no claims of "his truth" being the absolute indisputable truth.
It's impossible to take his word as "gospel" as Frank himself has no claims of "his truth" being the absolute indisputable truth.
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Re: Frank Cascio "My Friend Michael" book release date Nov 15 ,2011 / Excerpt posted at @pg151
sorry but docs lie for michael, happend alot before. They even do illigal stuff for him like precribing on false name to protect him. So the bite can easly also a lie.. just IMO
sorry but docs lie for michael, happend alot before. They even do illigal stuff for him like precribing on false name to protect him. So the bite can easly also a lie.. just IMO
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Re: Frank Cascio "My Friend Michael" book release date Nov 15 ,2011 / Excerpt posted at @pg151
Michael has lied in the past for PR, Privacy, and controversy.. To top it off he was not a good lier either lol! I take it as his heart came from an honest place and he never pulled off lies well..
I don't take Franks word as the gospel and I didn't take Michaels as the gospel, I can say that some of the things Frank talked about in the book made sence of SOME questions I had.
Michael has lied in the past for PR, Privacy, and controversy.. To top it off he was not a good lier either lol! I take it as his heart came from an honest place and he never pulled off lies well..
I don't take Franks word as the gospel and I didn't take Michaels as the gospel, I can say that some of the things Frank talked about in the book made sence of SOME questions I had.
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LOL, yes seriously! So let’s see here, because I replied back with the names Dieter and Schaffel, somehow it is not irrelevent? Hmm… you’re stretching yourself into a pretzel with that one.
Yes, I did say that but consider the context which was a GENERAL statement about the relationship between Frank and MJ, and MJ’s issues with people in his life in general. I did not bring others into it because I didn’t name anyone; you want those names so you can continue to go page after page arguing points we already know to come from you, so it is pointless and irrelevant to the discussion at hand, which is Frank’s book (which is what this thread is about, not your questions to get everyone off track), a book I’m still not sure if you’ve even read or just basing your opinions on excerpts other members have written or what you’ve heard in the web-sphere.
Exactly, as a reader, we have to take that into account, not come up with scenarios to fit our narrative, like the whole Friedman/Frank linkage. We have no idea if MJ knew or not Frank was Friedman’s mule that is just taking out of thin air, so why it’s even debated as if it actually happened is silly but you need to keep your fuel going somehow.
Those of us who enjoy the book have been saying from the jump that this is Frank’s perspective, the “such personal things” are only a few pages, you guys all act like this book is an expose and it’s not. Whether or not the information is inaccurate, Frank is relaying the information as was told to him by MJ or what he witnessed. Like I said, a few pages ago, there are some things Frank said about certain people that have me scratching my head, but I take that as Frank simply having a different relationship with these people than MJ, but I’m not going to continue to belabor the point by expressing anger and finding anything to discredit the dude, to the point of making up scenarios, to fit a narrative one has going on in their head.
No, you like discussing it, it’s that simple. You’ve made your argument time and time again, nothing has changed but you keep going. All of the controversial elements of the book have already been discussed, we know you don’t like elements of MJ’s personal life to be discussed, and we get that. However, some of these personal elements Frank was involved in and they’re his memories as well, and whether you like it or not, he has the right to tell them from his point of view.
And the difference between a fan who writes a letter to the media about what they did or did not like about MJ, they usually write one and keep it moving, they don’t come back day after day to a thread that is almost 240 pages, and continue to express the same thing. The fan would write a letter to Frank or his publisher and leave it at that, so it’s not the same thing. This is a discussion; the other is purely a statement. So, sorry you lose.
In regards to me, as you can see, I only have a handful of post, and I haven’t argued with anyone except you, at this point. In fact, my first full post was in support of Ivy over a month ago, then I just posted my second post last week and that was to disagree with Ivy. In fact, I told Ivy in my first post to give it up, she was wasting her time because she’s too smart and actually THINKS unlike some who have a mob mentality.
The difference between Ivy and others, and you: you claim to not like the personal information Frank, or anybody, released about MJ. I assume Ivy and the others like it, so that’s why they’re here 240 some pages later. You, if you don’t like it, why are you here? If I don’t like something, I stay clear away from it after I’ve expressed my opinion. They took the time to read the book, from what I can guess, you haven’t. If I’m wrong, I apologize but if you haven’t read the book and you’re the most vocal in this thread against the book, that’s not only hypocritical it’s maddening that you can participate in this discussion for pages and haven’t even read the book.
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People use your same argument to say that the FBI files were fake. Do you have any proof that doctors lied in this circumstance? By the way, prescribing medication under an assumed name is not illegal if it is noted in a patients medical chart. I have no problem accepting that you believe Cascio in this circumstance. In fact, I have no true opinion on the whole matter. I just don't like when people make blanket, unproved statements about professionals who have worked many years to obtain their position.
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Re: Frank Cascio "My Friend Michael" book release date Nov 15 ,2011 / Excerpt posted at @pg151
I can't believe this thread.
It's pretty upsetting how some of you have started questioning almost everything Michael had said and done.
And this new trend "maybe Frank is right and Michael was lying" I think is way too much.
I can't believe this thread.
It's pretty upsetting how some of you have started questioning almost everything Michael had said and done.
And this new trend "maybe Frank is right and Michael was lying" I think is way too much.
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Re: Frank Cascio "My Friend Michael" book release date Nov 15 ,2011 / Excerpt posted at @pg151
I said that because other said it was a fact that the story is true, so why if i believe the opposite am i the one in fault?
Also it is illigal to use different names, it was in the news alot, thats why some docs are under suspicius now.. Even in the trial it was mentioned
I said that because other said it was a fact that the story is true, so why if i believe the opposite am i the one in fault?
Also it is illigal to use different names, it was in the news alot, thats why some docs are under suspicius now.. Even in the trial it was mentioned
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Re: Frank Cascio "My Friend Michael" book release date Nov 15 ,2011 / Excerpt posted at @pg151
For the record im not questioning michael, damned! Im just saying he is human, frank is human, and i think both made storys up prob.. Like everybody in life does, Everybody lies somehow, even a small one , LIKE im ok when your not ok..
Im getting pissed at this thread because it seems like some of us are only trying to swim in the watter and to survive all the attacks only because we like the book and we stand behind frank.. Next to the fact we always stand behind michael.
That doesnt mean he is a saint who never lied!
For the record im not questioning michael, damned! Im just saying he is human, frank is human, and i think both made storys up prob.. Like everybody in life does, Everybody lies somehow, even a small one , LIKE im ok when your not ok..
Im getting pissed at this thread because it seems like some of us are only trying to swim in the watter and to survive all the attacks only because we like the book and we stand behind frank.. Next to the fact we always stand behind michael.
That doesnt mean he is a saint who never lied!
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Re: Frank Cascio "My Friend Michael" book release date Nov 15 ,2011 / Excerpt posted at @pg151
Ya know, if MJ cut Frank's @$$ out of his life, I say good for him and he should've probably done it sooner! Not only he has now added to the drug addict image the media gleefully is spreading, but we know now he has also helped them spread the mantra that MJ is faking up illnesses all the time. (And God knows what else) And if even his fans are believing it (no matter what proof MJ may be showing), then imagine the public....
Poor MJ, with "friends" like this......
Ya know, if MJ cut Frank's @$$ out of his life, I say good for him and he should've probably done it sooner! Not only he has now added to the drug addict image the media gleefully is spreading, but we know now he has also helped them spread the mantra that MJ is faking up illnesses all the time. (And God knows what else) And if even his fans are believing it (no matter what proof MJ may be showing), then imagine the public....
Poor MJ, with "friends" like this......
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Re: Frank Cascio "My Friend Michael" book release date Nov 15 ,2011 / Excerpt posted at @pg151
The thing is that Frank's opinion and he has a right to it. Just because the media will twist something isn't an excuse in my opinion to keep your mouth shut. I don't believe Frank in this case, but I don't know why he holds this view either. Maybe he saw something that made him jump to this conclusion even if I don't think it's the right one. At the same time, Frank doesn't actually say what he's saying is the truth and that's the big different here. It's simply his point of view like fans will go on about Michael being too skinny during his last days despite him being within a healthy range.
Also, I don't find anything fundamental wrong with thinking "maybe Frank is right and Michael was lying". The way this is worded you make it sound like Michael never lie or something. We honestly don't know what Michael could had lie about but we shouldn't just dismiss Frank's view point just because we don't like it. All long as he doesn't shove it down our throats like the Jacksons family, Karen, TINI, ect I see no real problem and why we should cheer the fact that Michael cut Frank off over false witness.
The thing is that Frank's opinion and he has a right to it. Just because the media will twist something isn't an excuse in my opinion to keep your mouth shut. I don't believe Frank in this case, but I don't know why he holds this view either. Maybe he saw something that made him jump to this conclusion even if I don't think it's the right one. At the same time, Frank doesn't actually say what he's saying is the truth and that's the big different here. It's simply his point of view like fans will go on about Michael being too skinny during his last days despite him being within a healthy range.
Also, I don't find anything fundamental wrong with thinking "maybe Frank is right and Michael was lying". The way this is worded you make it sound like Michael never lie or something. We honestly don't know what Michael could had lie about but we shouldn't just dismiss Frank's view point just because we don't like it. All long as he doesn't shove it down our throats like the Jacksons family, Karen, TINI, ect I see no real problem and why we should cheer the fact that Michael cut Frank off over false witness.
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Re: Frank Cascio "My Friend Michael" book release date Nov 15 ,2011 / Excerpt posted at @pg151
Did Frank really NEED to tell the world what happened (according to him)? Did anyone ask him to write a book about Michael's private life? He says he promised Michael to write a book about him, but knowing how private Michael was I doubt it he would approve a book like this.
No one thinks Michael was a saint, a god or anything like that. No one says he could not do wrong. But he had the right to have a damn privacy and he had the right to keep things private those he intended to keep private! I can't believe the entitlement people feel to know everything about Michael and judge every detail of his life! And we should be fair to others when they are not fair to Michael, when they write books about things those were private things of Michael? Why doesn't Frank write about the private things those are not too flattering about him? Like things those were said on the trial that he took advantage of Michael's hospitality? It seems like everyone has a right to show his best face to the public and not expose his unflattering side, only MJ doesn't have this right.
Did Frank really NEED to tell the world what happened (according to him)? Did anyone ask him to write a book about Michael's private life? He says he promised Michael to write a book about him, but knowing how private Michael was I doubt it he would approve a book like this.
No one thinks Michael was a saint, a god or anything like that. No one says he could not do wrong. But he had the right to have a damn privacy and he had the right to keep things private those he intended to keep private! I can't believe the entitlement people feel to know everything about Michael and judge every detail of his life! And we should be fair to others when they are not fair to Michael, when they write books about things those were private things of Michael? Why doesn't Frank write about the private things those are not too flattering about him? Like things those were said on the trial that he took advantage of Michael's hospitality? It seems like everyone has a right to show his best face to the public and not expose his unflattering side, only MJ doesn't have this right.
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Re: Frank Cascio "My Friend Michael" book release date Nov 15 ,2011 / Excerpt posted at @pg151
yes i believe he did @respect i think its good to hear his story and he writes about an amazing michael so why if he keeps it real that is a problem to you? dont like the truth maybe different then what you can hear or handle
IMO frank wrote an amazing book and describes his soulmate truthfully and with alot of love
yes i believe he did @respect i think its good to hear his story and he writes about an amazing michael so why if he keeps it real that is a problem to you? dont like the truth maybe different then what you can hear or handle
IMO frank wrote an amazing book and describes his soulmate truthfully and with alot of love
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Re: Frank Cascio "My Friend Michael" book release date Nov 15 ,2011 / Excerpt posted at @pg151
Let me just ask, how many books have been writing about famous people like Disney, Einstein, Elvis, ect. These people probably wouldn't care about their business being aired either, but I don't see fans being up in arms about these people being writing about along with their private lives. Why is Michael the only celebrity that should never have a book written about him?
Also, did Frank have to write a book about him, no. Did Diamond, Jones, Ian, T. Randy, ect have to writes books about Michael that spread false information and contributes 90% to people's image of Michael? No, they didn't, but they did. When we ask everyone who knew Michael to shut up and don't say anything, these are the kind of books people will read so what kind of image of Michael are you going to see in a couple decades?
When Michael was alive, this was not a big deal because he could handle himself and could speak out. Now Michael is dead, has no voice or means to defend himself. The ones left behind can act as he voice, but you tell them to shut up because we don't want their words twisted or what the media will say. So people like Deepak and some members of the his family can go around unchallenged and bend Michael's image to serve their will. To me, this is far worst than thinking about how the media will twist some drug talk.
Let me just ask, how many books have been writing about famous people like Disney, Einstein, Elvis, ect. These people probably wouldn't care about their business being aired either, but I don't see fans being up in arms about these people being writing about along with their private lives. Why is Michael the only celebrity that should never have a book written about him?
Also, did Frank have to write a book about him, no. Did Diamond, Jones, Ian, T. Randy, ect have to writes books about Michael that spread false information and contributes 90% to people's image of Michael? No, they didn't, but they did. When we ask everyone who knew Michael to shut up and don't say anything, these are the kind of books people will read so what kind of image of Michael are you going to see in a couple decades?
When Michael was alive, this was not a big deal because he could handle himself and could speak out. Now Michael is dead, has no voice or means to defend himself. The ones left behind can act as he voice, but you tell them to shut up because we don't want their words twisted or what the media will say. So people like Deepak and some members of the his family can go around unchallenged and bend Michael's image to serve their will. To me, this is far worst than thinking about how the media will twist some drug talk.
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Re: Frank Cascio "My Friend Michael" book release date Nov 15 ,2011 / Excerpt posted at @pg151
I'm perfectly able to handle the thought MJ was not perfect, thank you. But why does Frank only "keep it real" about Michael? Why not also about himself? If the aim is to keep it real? Now we got to a point where to some people Frank is the gospel and Michael is a pathological liar. I don't like it.
I'm perfectly able to handle the thought MJ was not perfect, thank you. But why does Frank only "keep it real" about Michael? Why not also about himself? If the aim is to keep it real? Now we got to a point where to some people Frank is the gospel and Michael is a pathological liar. I don't like it.
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Re: Frank Cascio "My Friend Michael" book release date Nov 15 ,2011 / Excerpt posted at @pg151
@ respect, have you read the book?
@ respect, have you read the book?
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frank is keeping it real in the book also about him
frank is keeping it real in the book also about him
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Re: Frank Cascio "My Friend Michael" book release date Nov 15 ,2011 / Excerpt posted at @pg151
agree. This book is a good book about michael in let say 50 years.. Really i believe that with whole my heart.. I wish all the fans would see it like you said it.
agree. This book is a good book about michael in let say 50 years.. Really i believe that with whole my heart.. I wish all the fans would see it like you said it.
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Actually, going by Ivy Frank did keep it real about himself. He fully admits to not knowing everything or know what Michael was thinking. He also said he could never imagine the pain he was in at certain periods of his life. So, Frank never claim to know everything.
Also, please name one person on this thread who said they believed everything Frank said and called Michael a pathological liar.
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Re: Frank Cascio "My Friend Michael" book release date Nov 15 ,2011 / Excerpt posted at @pg151
Frank's book is certainly better than those books, no doubt. However he too has his biases. In this case we learn every detail about Michael's flaws but he doesn't say anything about the conflicts they had because Frank took advantage of his association with Michael.
Frank's book is certainly better than those books, no doubt. However he too has his biases. In this case we learn every detail about Michael's flaws but he doesn't say anything about the conflicts they had because Frank took advantage of his association with Michael.
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Re: Frank Cascio "My Friend Michael" book release date Nov 15 ,2011 / Excerpt posted at @pg151
That's not what I'm talking about. I'm talking about if Frank feels inclined to talk about Michael's flaws and what Michael did to him after the trial, then perhaps he should also mention what he did to Michael before the trial. Those things are there in trial transcripts. Like throwing wild parties at Neverland while Michael wasn't there, which resulted in depletion of ranch resources. Inviting people to Michael's bedroom while he wasn't there. And so on. You may say things like these happen. Not good but sometimes things like these happen between friends. True. But if Frank doesn't tell about these, do we get the whole picture about their relationship? If he doesn't tell about this or if he doesn't tell about his relationship with Friedman, do we not miss something which could perhaps be another explanation of why Michael behaved with him the way he did after the trial? That's why I'm saying if he intends to keep it perfectly real perhaps he should tell not just about Michael's mistakes but about his own as well.
That's not what I'm talking about. I'm talking about if Frank feels inclined to talk about Michael's flaws and what Michael did to him after the trial, then perhaps he should also mention what he did to Michael before the trial. Those things are there in trial transcripts. Like throwing wild parties at Neverland while Michael wasn't there, which resulted in depletion of ranch resources. Inviting people to Michael's bedroom while he wasn't there. And so on. You may say things like these happen. Not good but sometimes things like these happen between friends. True. But if Frank doesn't tell about these, do we get the whole picture about their relationship? If he doesn't tell about this or if he doesn't tell about his relationship with Friedman, do we not miss something which could perhaps be another explanation of why Michael behaved with him the way he did after the trial? That's why I'm saying if he intends to keep it perfectly real perhaps he should tell not just about Michael's mistakes but about his own as well.
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Re: Frank Cascio "My Friend Michael" book release date Nov 15 ,2011 / Excerpt posted at @pg151
How hard some people are taking this book makes me really wonder how they would manage being a celebrity themselves...
BTW the book is not about Michaels flaws!! so we need to stop highlighting on them more than the book did..
How hard some people are taking this book makes me really wonder how they would manage being a celebrity themselves...
BTW the book is not about Michaels flaws!! so we need to stop highlighting on them more than the book did..
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The thing is this book is about Michael. Why would he go into detail about himself and all his flaws. This isn't like Toya's book where it is suppose to be her story, but she shoehorn Michael into it. This book is about Michael through Frank's eyes, nothing more.
And of course the book is bias. All books written by anyone will be bias in some form. If a person decided to write a book about Michael with nothing but positive stories, that is a bias. Even if a fan write a book it would be bias in some way.
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The above mentioned mistakes of Frank are not just some random mistakes of his but they relate to his relationship with Michael.