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Re: Frank Cascio "My Friend Michael" book release date Nov 15 ,2011 / Excerpt posted at @pg151

Yes, let's just blame MJ. Poor Frank, right?! SMH I'm sure MJ had his reasons. Yet we're ONLY getting Frank side....totally unfair and exactly what bothers me. Some make MJ out to be cold that turn away anyone just because he could. Whatever! I doubt MJ would just turn away for no good reason on a friendship that lasted yrs. He even talk to Franks dad cause he had that much concern, to me that isn't just nothing. Ofcourse the dad would take his son side and did. But, yea MJ loved him and still held on to the freindship dispite it's issues that came later in the yrs. I admire that and will give credit to MJ cause he clearly does care.
 
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Ingelief said:
But why did michael do that to frank? why believe an other person over frank? Also the strange story about frank asked by michael to come to ireland after that and then get a phonecall if you come here you will be arested. Franks dad pissed of called michael and said to the assistent, 25 year of friendship this is onacceptable! michael called the next day back and apoligized, but i never read in the story wethe michael was behind it or not?
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My understanding is that MJ apologized to Frank's dad about the situation and said he'd call Frank but never did. The way Frank left it in the book, you can conclude 2 things:

1. Either MJ was behind it
or
2. He didn't have the heart to apologize to Frank

I can't remember if Frank said MJ denied it to Frank's dad, but I don't think he did, he just apologized.

And yes, we are only getting Frank's side but MJ had problems with a lot of people, even his relationship with Bill Bray ended poorly. I don't think anyone is blaming MJ, persay, as oppose to trying to be objective and see it from the other person's point of view instead of always believing someone is a saint 24/7. There's only one common denominator in a lot of MJ's relationships, personal and professional, that ended badly and it's him. Relationships are difficult, not easy and there's a whole lot of shade of gray, it's never black and white, as some people seem to think.
 
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Re: Frank Cascio "My Friend Michael" book release date Nov 15 ,2011 / Excerpt posted at @pg151

Not trying to paint no one as a saint, just showin a BIG difference of someone in MJs position who was the famous one and had to deal with people seeing him more as that then anything else and how it was hard to deal with. There was awlays money involved and a power push of who get's the control over what is right for him in his life even with friends, sadly!
 
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bluetopez said:
Not trying to paint no one as a saint, just showin a BIG difference of someone in MJs position who was the famous one and had to deal with people seeing him more as that then anything else and how it was hard to deal with. There was awlays money involved and a power push of who get's the control over what is right for him in his life even with friends, sadly!
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I'm sorry, but you can't use that excuse for everything to excuse one's behavior and paint the other person as the bad guy or untrustworthy. The person who dealt with MJ as a real person, he appeared to dismiss and he seemed to do that with anybody except for those who didn't have his best interest at heart because they told him what he wanted to hear. In the real world, people become pissed off at these kinds of people and write them off, and sadly that is what appeared to happened to MJ many times and instead of reflecting internally as to why that is, it's always someone else's fault, and I see that same attitude expressed by some fans, and that ish don't fly. And the fact that some fans recognize this doesn't mean we do not love or appreciate MJ for who he was: we all have flaws but the excuses gotta go.

Lastly, MJ isn't the only person with feelings. There are others who likely feel the exact same way he did but don't see it as he would see it. Just because MJ lived a certain way doesn't mean that their feelings aren't valid because he "suffered" more, and I see a lot of people trying to invalidate feelings from those who feel they were wronged by MJ in some way. Or, wronged isn't the right word, just disappointed and hurt by him. He's human, and why can't those who knew MJ, and I mean really knew him, show this side of him? As a fan, I'm greatful and thank Frank for willing to share some of those memories.
 
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bluetopez said:
Yes, let's just blame MJ. Poor Frank, right?! SMH I'm sure MJ had his reasons. Yet we're ONLY getting Frank side....totally unfair and exactly what bothers me. Some make MJ out to be cold that turn away anyone just because he could. Whatever! I doubt MJ would just turn away for no good reason on a friendship that lasted yrs. He even talk to Franks dad cause he had that much concern, to me that isn't just nothing. Ofcourse the dad would take his son side and did. But, yea MJ loved him and still held on to the freindship dispite it's issues that came later in the yrs. I admire that and will give credit to MJ cause he clearly does care.
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Well thats the greatest selling point here that whatever happened to Michael or anything Michael was concerned about, he was just being "paranoid" mmm yeah :ermm:
 
Re: Frank Cascio "My Friend Michael" book release date Nov 15 ,2011 / Excerpt posted at @pg151

I'm sorry, but you can't use that excuse for everything to excuse one's behavior and paint the other person as the bad guy or untrustworthy. The person who dealt with MJ as a real person, he appeared to dismiss and he seemed to do that with anybody except for those who didn't have his best interest at heart because they told him what he wanted to hear. In the real world, people become pissed off at these kinds of people and write them off, and sadly that is what appeared to happened to MJ many times and instead of reflecting internally as to why that is, it's always someone else's fault, and I see that same attitude expressed by some fans, and that ish don't fly. And the fact that some fans recognize this doesn't mean we do not love or appreciate MJ for who he was: we all have flaws but the excuses gotta go.
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WOW really and U know this as a fact?! Hmmm I'm saying that we don't have the full story just always one side. But, u clearly rather believe those other people stories more since they seem to have big mouths that they can't keep shut so they must be telling the truth, right? While MJ always kept his bussiness quiet. And who may I ask had MJ best interest at heart that he dismissed for no good reason other then Frank in your opinion...seriously who else? Shaffel? Dieter?
 
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Re: Frank Cascio "My Friend Michael" book release date Nov 15 ,2011 / Excerpt posted at @pg151

It boggles my mind how unfaire people are.. They get on frank when he tells what happened, and tell fans that it's not fair to only hear one side when many fans don't care about both sides of anything.. they only care about MJ's side.. That has been proven over and over again...

same people that NEVER questions any actions of Michael.. No need to know why MJ does anything when he makes a choice. Just asume that it's all in good intension.. and finds any excuse for it.. "well he had reasons not to trust." Ya and?? That does not make it right!!

Its like we cannot see that Michael had the power of hurting people too. Yes I understand the fact he lost trust in basically everyone, and I can understand why.. But acting on it in specific ways cannot be excused because we understand it..

I can understand alot of reasons people do what they do, it does not make it right.. I can understand why a struggling mother would rob a bank, i could understand why an abused victom would abuse someone else, i understand why people that have been stabbed in the back would have weopons of defense up.. But how it's used and the fact it is used cannot always be right
 
Re: Frank Cascio "My Friend Michael" book release date Nov 15 ,2011 / Excerpt posted at @pg151

I agree with you KOPV, alot of fans think Michael was some kind of saint or that he was somehow infallible and never made mistakes. Michael was a person not a personality, I'm sure he made tons of mistakes just like all the other human beings on this planet. As fans, we all know that Michael was a very genuine human being and that he always set a good example for those around him. But it's also not fair that if anyone criticize Michael or points something out, he's automatically labeled as a liar or a traitor..
 
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bluetopez said:
Yes, let's just blame MJ. Poor Frank, right?! SMH I'm sure MJ had his reasons. Yet we're ONLY getting Frank side....totally unfair and exactly what bothers me. Some make MJ out to be cold that turn away anyone just because he could. Whatever! I doubt MJ would just turn away for no good reason on a friendship that lasted yrs. He even talk to Franks dad cause he had that much concern, to me that isn't just nothing. Ofcourse the dad would take his son side and did. But, yea MJ loved him and still held on to the freindship dispite it's issues that came later in the yrs. I admire that and will give credit to MJ cause he clearly does care.
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we didnt say that@ JEesh stop it! Ramona kopv i and some other we just were saying if i were frank..
 
Re: Frank Cascio "My Friend Michael" book release date Nov 15 ,2011 / Excerpt posted at @pg151

NICE Post kopv and moejack. It seems im not the only one who can see michael as a human being with flaws.. still he is my idol, that doesnt mean i agree with everything he does.. And frank story around that is just sad and if i were frank i would be very hurt like ramona said nicely
 
Re: Frank Cascio "My Friend Michael" book release date Nov 15 ,2011 / Excerpt posted at @pg151

let Michael be flawed!! It's the scrutiny of the pressure of perfection that caused so much of his pain... If we only let him be human when he was here............... Now that he's not, lets accept the man he was, for the wonderful and imperfect person he was.. That is what L.OV.E. is right?
 
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Michael hardly got his side of the story out when it came to certain people that says he pushed them away for whatever reason. Except for when he defended himself from the allegations. So we don't know for certain who was saying the whole truth if at all. That is a fact. Because MJ didn't air his or others personal bussiness to the public. That isn't making him out to be a saint, it's just the truth. We just don't know who is right in some parts and who was wrong.
 
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^ in ways it is still acting like he's a saint because of ONE reason... When he says a story about someone we don't give a $h!t what the "other side" of the story is.. Only when the other side IS Michaels. If Michael says anything we never questioned it.. Even when we knew he was exadurating or lying..
 
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What story about MJ he has said about someone that " We" never questioned or gave a shit about as you put it? A bad story about someone MJ said? Where and When? Plus, I don't know what "WE" ur talking about? But, from what I've seen many fans do and did question people that MJ let into his life. And that's hardly seeing someone as a saint.
 
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the things he said about his dad.. we never questioned! true or not.. the point is we did not question.. stories about him and tatum... she denies it but we never question.. him and brook.. stories he said about what the police did to him when arested.. we don't ask for the other side of the story.. Wather the stories are true or not, or half truths.. We never questioned them or asked to hear the other side..
 
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Sorry to cut in. In my POV, I don't think it's anyone's fault about the fall out between them. It's not MJ's or Frank's. Eventually, they seemed to reach out to each other and make peace. At least, it's what Frank said.

Friends might have difference, friends might have fights, friends might fall out and friends might make peace after they fight. Michael Jackson is just another human being like everyone else. He had his friend and he also would have up and down with his friends. When he had some issue with Frank, it doesn't mean it's anyone's fault. I don't think we should just jump on either Frank or MJ. I know fans could be very offensive about MJ because he suffered so much during his life. However, I don't think it's fair to blame everything to his friend. It's tough to be Michael Jackson and I don't think it's easy to be Michael's friends. For example, no matter what you said, people suspect you to have agenda.

It's Frank's side of story. In his story, MJ is a human who can make mistakes and with a great heart.
 
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Re: Frank Cascio "My Friend Michael" book release date Nov 15 ,2011 / Excerpt posted at @pg151

^ your not jumping in :) you are more than welcome to join in at any time!!
 
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Ginger said:
My understanding is that MJ apologized to Frank's dad about the situation and said he'd call Frank but never did. The way Frank left it in the book, you can conclude 2 things:

1. Either MJ was behind it
or
2. He didn't have the heart to apologize to Frank

I can't remember if Frank said MJ denied it to Frank's dad, but I don't think he did, he just apologized.
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Michael did eventually apologized to Frank about that phone call threatening to have him arrested if he went to Ireland..........page 306.
 
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KOPV said:
the things he said about his dad.. we never questioned! true or not.. the point is we did not question.. stories about him and tatum... she denies it but we never question.. him and brook.. stories he said about what the police did to him when arested.. we don't ask for the other side of the story.. Wather the stories are true or not, or half truths.. We never questioned them or asked to hear the other side..
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That's a very good point. And there are many other examples of that as well. There is a lot of evidence as well as Michael's own candid admission that he was constanty putting up a performance and that sometimes he made up stories or exaggerated certain points in order to make the story seem more dramatic. The story about his abuse when he got arrested is a good point, we don't really know the truth about any of that. (Our feelings for Tom Sneddon should not get in the way of the truth..just because he was out to get Michael and we dont like him, doesnt mean that story is true). There are many instances where Michael faked certain injuries in order to get out of concerts or appearances. In the book Frank mentions the whole spider bit thing and how it was a phoney. There are also minor stories like Paris being named such because she was conceived in Pais, France, or the nature of Blanket's mother, etc. Sometimes Michael said things just so that it had a nice ring to it, even if it wasn't entirely true. And so when others counteract such claims, they're immediately labeled liars by the fans. I just think we should always keep an open mind when it comes to these things.

Michael always said, we shouldn't judge him before we know him, well doesn't that rationale apply to every other human being as well? Or only to Michael Jackson..?
 
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MoeJack said:
The story about his abuse when he got arrested is a good point, we don't really know the truth about any of that. (Our feelings for Tom Sneddon should not get in the way of the truth..just because he was out to get Michael and we dont like him, doesnt mean that story is true).
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So you admit you don't know if it's true, but you still call him a liar? Um, ok.

MoeJack said:
There are many instances where Michael faked certain injuries in order to get out of concerts or appearances. In the book Frank mentions the whole spider bit thing and how it was a phoney.
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Whoa, he seriously says the spider bite was phony? Despite all the pictures and the ones from the hospital being released? Seriously? And you believe Frank over hard cold evidence?
 
bluetopez said:
WOW really and U know this as a fact?! Hmmm I'm saying that we don't have the full story just always one side. But, u clearly rather believe those other people stories more since they seem to have big mouths that they can't keep shut so they must be telling the truth, right? While MJ always kept his bussiness quiet. And who may I ask had MJ best interest at heart that he dismissed for no good reason other then Frank in your opinion...seriously who else? Shaffel? Dieter?
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First off, do not get an attitude with me. You may speak to others anyway you like but you can keep it moving. Secondly, what about "appeared" don't you understand? Appeared = impression which is hardly fact, so calm the f down.
 
KOPV said:
It boggles my mind how unfaire people are.. They get on frank when he tells what happened, and tell fans that it's not fair to only hear one side when many fans don't care about both sides of anything.. they only care about MJ's side.. That has been proven over and over again...

same people that NEVER questions any actions of Michael.. No need to know why MJ does anything when he makes a choice. Just asume that
it's all in good intension.. and finds any excuse for it.. "well he had reasons not to trust." Ya and?? That does not make it right!!

Its like we cannot see that Michael had the power of hurting people too. Yes I understand the fact he lost trust in basically everyone, and I can understand why.. But acting on it in specific ways cannot be excused because we understand it..

I can understand alot of reasons people do what they do, it does not make it right.. I can understand why a struggling mother would rob a bank, i could understand why an abused victom would abuse someone else, i understand why people that have been stabbed in the back would have
weopons of defense up.. But how it's used and the fact it is used cannot always be right
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Excellent post! :)
 
SimplyMagic said:
Michael did eventually apologized to Frank about that phone call threatening to have him arrested if he went to Ireland..........page 306.
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You are right, MJ did apologize when Frank confronted him at the house.
 
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KOPV said:
the things he said about his dad.. we never questioned! true or not.. the point is we did not question.. stories about him and tatum... she denies it but we never question.. him and brook.. stories he said about what the police did to him when arested.. we don't ask for the other side of the story.. Wather the stories are true or not, or half truths.. We never questioned them or asked to hear the other side..
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Again you can't say "WE" as a whole because not every fan believed Joe abused MJ or thought it was that serious and think it was the way people raise their kids at that time and that it was normal. I disagree with that by the way. And Joe finally has admitted he did beat his kids on Oprah so, it's safe to say atleast on that MJ was honest. I for one don't know what happen between him and Tatum or Brooke, they all contradict eachother. The police abuse well it's one side verses the other that was obvious.

First off, do not get an attitude with me. You may speak to others anyway you like but you can keep it moving. Secondly, what about "appeared" don't you understand? Appeared = impression which is hardly fact, so calm the f down.
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:smilerolleyes: LMFAO I have an attitude. Really? I ask you simple questions darlin that u still haven't answered and I don't remember cursing at u either, so who needs to calm down? U may say appear but, it was obvious u were swaying on the other side of believing everyone else. Just re-read ur own post. Anywho now I'll keep it movin! NEXT!-_-
 
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Re: Frank Cascio "My Friend Michael" book release date Nov 15 ,2011 / Excerpt posted at @pg151

I'm currently reading the book and lets just say that I'm amazed at how so many fans seem to be taking Frank's word as the gospel.
 
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I can say "WE" cuz we represent Michael TOGETHER... I always include myself in the good and bad because I know WE are ONE.. read all my posts going back, I very most usually use WE even when it's something I don't believe it at all..

I don't think its fair to jump on the boat and jump off and point the finger.. I use 'WE' including myself so no one would feel fully attacked and alone. Why make someone feel attacked in that way to only get defesive and feel mistreated.. if you as an individual don't want to include yourself in the "we" thats your personal wish, that's fine.. But I wont exclude myself even if there are individual actions done that I am 100% agenced.. We are part of a full picture.. TOGETHER!

thats the way I see it.. Just take notice on how I said "we" don't question Michael WHILE I questioned Michael.. because I know the picture as a whole for the most part does not question him, I am just ONE person with my own view, but a part of something bigger than myself.
 
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Again you can't say "WE" as a whole because not every fan believed Joe abused MJ or thought it was that serious and think it was the way people raise their kids at that time and that it was normal. I disagree with that by the way. And Joe finally has admitted he did beat his kids on Oprah so, it's safe to say atleast on that MJ was honest. I for one don't know what happen between him and Tatum or Brooke, they all contradict eachother. The police abuse well it's one side verses the other that was obvious.

:smilerolleyes: LMFAO I have an attitude. Really? I ask you simple questions darlin that u still haven't answered and I don't remember cursing at u either, so who needs to calm down? U may say appear but, it was
obvious u were swaying on the other side of believing everyone else. Just re-read ur own post. Anywho now I'll keep it movin! NEXT!-_-
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Well, if it were obvious to you, I didn't answer your questions because they
are simply irrelevant. What does Dieter or Schaffel have to do with anything I said? First, you assumed to have already figured out whom I was referring to, so why answer? As if I'm going to actually fall for your
trick question so you can continue to go pages and pages lashing out against Frank who clearly told his side of the story from his perspective, for which he has every right considering there were two people in that
relationship: Frank and MJ - you and everyone else, the collective we, are just bystanders.

Secondly, we all know MJ's history and I'm not about to get into a pissing contest because you cant accept that other fans feel differently. Instead of taking what people have said and actually let it marinate, you jump to the furthest conclusion because you go from 0 to 100 at an instant: it's
been your ammo this entire time with everybody with an opposing view.

And I find it amusing that you are so concerned about MJ's privacy but you are one of the most vocal in this thread about a book that details private information about his life. We already know your position, so why you continue to argue with members in this thread is rather hypocritical because secretly you do love it, otherwise you would have kept it moving long ago.
 
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serendipity said:
Yes, if MJ suspected that Frank gave Friedman stories that personally hurt him, then I can see his trust not being the same anymore. Why is this so hard to believe? Heck anyone would be suspicious if they had a friend who suddenly became friends with someone who constantly writes crap about them. I know I would. We don't know what MJ knew or what was going on in his head.
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Michael didn't seem personally hurt by T-Mez going on Nancy Grace or HLN in general and that network called him allot worst stuff than anything Friedman wrote. At least the guy never called him a pedo.

It's not about being hard to believe, it's about seeing a pattern and I honestly don't see one in this case. We can agree to disagree since we both have our beliefs on this subject and we can't really prove one either way.
 
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Resa said:
I'm currently reading the book and lets just say that I'm amazed at how so many fans seem to be taking Frank's word as the gospel.
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No offense, but no one is taking Frank at his word. You see people discussion what points they believe, what points they question, and what points they can't really believe. This book is from Frank's point-of-view so it won't tell the complete story and from Ivy said Frank doesn't pretend to know everything unlike Michael's siblings who act like they lived in Michael's head.

What I have a problem with is that people assume that Frank is lying or not being truthful based on what Michael did. Some fans assume that Michael was in the right cutting Frank off with no explanation or a chance to defend himself. When I try to present how Frank may of felt this viewpoint was mock.

Is it hard to believe that maybe Michael could had been in the wrong? That he jumped the gun because of what he went through during the trial and he assumed the worst for anyone, even his long times friends? He thought Q was his friend and he abandon him in his hour of need. So, I can understand Michael's reasoning, but it doesn't mean I agree with it or think it was right. I personally feel that Michael could had confronting Frank sooner and told him what he heard instead of taking this other person at fact value. This has happened before with Brance so Michael knew his people do lie to him about other people.

In either case, the grievous was between Michael and Frank so only they know the full detail. I just don't cosign with the assumption that Michael was right. As posters had said before, Michael wasn't the only one with feelings here.
 
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agree
and i believe frank that the spider bite story isnt true. I think michael made that up..
 
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