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Are you kidding me?Soulmate :bugeyed
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Re: Frank Cascio "My Friend Michael" book release date Nov 15 ,2011 / Excerpt posted at @pg151
I didn't create anything in my mind. When Frank felt he had to talk about the drug rumors on interviews and in his book it was clear he was trying to clear up the misconceptions. So I don't know what ur talking about? He tries to clear up alot about MJ not just the allegation part of his life.
Also there was a recent interview where Frank says that the reason for MJ marriage to Debbie was for bussiness reasons. Yet, in his book he says he isn't sure whether that was the truth or not. So then why state it as a fact on an interview? Why do some think that me or anyone pointing out these things mean we are hating on Frank or believe MJ to be a saint or perfect? I for one never said those things. I don't mind the book in parts like him defending MJ from the allegations and I gave him credit for it in one of my post and also gave him credit for a different interview because he atleast in that interview did much better in how he worded things. So it amazes me how I'm still labeled a hater because I have a different view point with certain things he said in interviews and in the book that I thought were to personal. Aswell as him stating things that he doesn't even know are true that can only do more damaged then good and it did. Hmmm I guess I just have to love the book 100% to not be a hater then....interesting!:smilerolleyes:
Just because the whole book doesn't focus on the things that I and others have mentioned that we don't like doesn't mean it doesn't matter or there less important to point out. Because it does matter and there the most serious parts of MJ life that he struggled with that had people talking ill about him and that's why they got so much attention from the media and why Frank talked about them, so it isn't IMO to much to ask that he don't be playing guessing games or making ish more confusing is all.
I didn't create anything in my mind. When Frank felt he had to talk about the drug rumors on interviews and in his book it was clear he was trying to clear up the misconceptions. So I don't know what ur talking about? He tries to clear up alot about MJ not just the allegation part of his life.
Also there was a recent interview where Frank says that the reason for MJ marriage to Debbie was for bussiness reasons. Yet, in his book he says he isn't sure whether that was the truth or not. So then why state it as a fact on an interview? Why do some think that me or anyone pointing out these things mean we are hating on Frank or believe MJ to be a saint or perfect? I for one never said those things. I don't mind the book in parts like him defending MJ from the allegations and I gave him credit for it in one of my post and also gave him credit for a different interview because he atleast in that interview did much better in how he worded things. So it amazes me how I'm still labeled a hater because I have a different view point with certain things he said in interviews and in the book that I thought were to personal. Aswell as him stating things that he doesn't even know are true that can only do more damaged then good and it did. Hmmm I guess I just have to love the book 100% to not be a hater then....interesting!:smilerolleyes:
Just because the whole book doesn't focus on the things that I and others have mentioned that we don't like doesn't mean it doesn't matter or there less important to point out. Because it does matter and there the most serious parts of MJ life that he struggled with that had people talking ill about him and that's why they got so much attention from the media and why Frank talked about them, so it isn't IMO to much to ask that he don't be playing guessing games or making ish more confusing is all.
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Re: Frank Cascio "My Friend Michael" book release date Nov 15 ,2011 / Excerpt posted at @pg151
I think frank sees it that way claudia yes i do
And pace what a good post thank you
I think frank sees it that way claudia yes i do
And pace what a good post thank you
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Re: Frank Cascio "My Friend Michael" book release date Nov 15 ,2011 / Excerpt posted at @pg151
is it just me or does it feel like we all are repeating ourself, the pros and the negs.. I can see the username and then i know before reading the post wether it will be negative or positive. So i dont think IMO that its good to stay repeating ourself.. I only can see to the haters here read it before judging it
It will be a good read i promise
is it just me or does it feel like we all are repeating ourself, the pros and the negs.. I can see the username and then i know before reading the post wether it will be negative or positive. So i dont think IMO that its good to stay repeating ourself.. I only can see to the haters here read it before judging it
It will be a good read i promise
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Re: Frank Cascio "My Friend Michael" book release date Nov 15 ,2011 / Excerpt posted at @pg151
I think that a lot of these books are 'about making money', but putting myself in Cascio's position, if I had a friend like Michael, I would want to re-tell stories about my friendship with him. I would want to put pen to paper in order to remember him and to give myself the opportunity to relive some of the memories. Whether i'd want to air them to the public...I don't really know. Good that some of the money goes to charity though.
I think that a lot of these books are 'about making money', but putting myself in Cascio's position, if I had a friend like Michael, I would want to re-tell stories about my friendship with him. I would want to put pen to paper in order to remember him and to give myself the opportunity to relive some of the memories. Whether i'd want to air them to the public...I don't really know. Good that some of the money goes to charity though.
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Re: Frank Cascio "My Friend Michael" book release date Nov 15 ,2011 / Excerpt posted at @pg151
You are becoming easy to read by ur username aswell, so look who's talking! SMH And Thank u for proving my point about how just because some point out what we don't like in the book that you and some others think we are haters. Maybe if some would stop sugar coating or/and looking for excuses or/and denying the obvious errors in many things Frank said in the book and interviews too especially when he don't know them to be true as he himself stated this thread would have never been so long?!
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Re: Frank Cascio "My Friend Michael" book release date Nov 15 ,2011 / Excerpt posted at @pg151
bluetopez;3558747Also there was a recent interview where Frank says that the reason for MJ marriage to Debbie was for bussiness reasons. Yet said:
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Re: Frank Cascio "My Friend Michael" book release date Nov 15 ,2011 / Excerpt posted at @pg151
He did explain the bases of what he said. Ivy said as much in his summary. When he talked about past drug problems, he did put it in context. He didn't just say Michael took drugs at this time and left it at that like some family members, so this simply isn't true.
You're not going to read the book, at least read Ivy's summary.
He did explain the bases of what he said. Ivy said as much in his summary. When he talked about past drug problems, he did put it in context. He didn't just say Michael took drugs at this time and left it at that like some family members, so this simply isn't true.
You're not going to read the book, at least read Ivy's summary.
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Re: Frank Cascio "My Friend Michael" book release date Nov 15 ,2011 / Excerpt posted at @pg151
Honestly, yes I would defend them if it was someone else.
I read books about dead and alive people all the time. I watch docs where friends and family talk in detail about a person about their flaws, victories, happiness, and sadness. To me, Michael is no different than any other famous person being written or documented about, so I don't give him special treatment or automatically assume he is being sold out just because a person talks about him. As long as the person is respectful and can back up their stories, I have no issue with them sharing their story and opinion.
To me, selling out is if Frank sold his story to the higher bidder to the Tabs like what some of his family did or use Michael's name to promote projects, turn him into a poster child, or just to get headlines. That to me is selling out and Frank hasn't done that in my eyes.
Honestly, yes I would defend them if it was someone else.
I read books about dead and alive people all the time. I watch docs where friends and family talk in detail about a person about their flaws, victories, happiness, and sadness. To me, Michael is no different than any other famous person being written or documented about, so I don't give him special treatment or automatically assume he is being sold out just because a person talks about him. As long as the person is respectful and can back up their stories, I have no issue with them sharing their story and opinion.
To me, selling out is if Frank sold his story to the higher bidder to the Tabs like what some of his family did or use Michael's name to promote projects, turn him into a poster child, or just to get headlines. That to me is selling out and Frank hasn't done that in my eyes.
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Re: Frank Cascio "My Friend Michael" book release date Nov 15 ,2011 / Excerpt posted at @pg151
Those who think this is going to hurt Michaels legacy are doing a couple things!
1) Underestimating how large his legacy is
2) Not understanding the fact that this book CLEARS rumors up.. People are saying he was an addicted junkie, and he's saying he's not..
I personally am thankful for that, and would prefer that than let people come to there own vicious conclusions. What do we expect from a friend ignore the main topic of the news at the time? I would thank my friend over and over if people are spreading rumors of me being a drug addict and he tells everyone no, no, no.. He's had dependancy issues but was never an addict.. That is CLEARING my name
Those who think this is going to hurt Michaels legacy are doing a couple things!
1) Underestimating how large his legacy is
2) Not understanding the fact that this book CLEARS rumors up.. People are saying he was an addicted junkie, and he's saying he's not..
I personally am thankful for that, and would prefer that than let people come to there own vicious conclusions. What do we expect from a friend ignore the main topic of the news at the time? I would thank my friend over and over if people are spreading rumors of me being a drug addict and he tells everyone no, no, no.. He's had dependancy issues but was never an addict.. That is CLEARING my name
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Re: Frank Cascio "My Friend Michael" book release date Nov 15 ,2011 / Excerpt posted at @pg151
Wow what i negativity here... im done with it
Wow what i negativity here... im done with it
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No offense but I think this post is taking things a bit far. There are people who have issues with the book that have read it and aren't just "haters".
Seriously interesting seeing how the mood in this thread has turned. Not even gonna comment on some other statements made in this thread recently. Just a shame really especially since I remember how different things were here when Michael was still here.
Maybe this thread should be closed at least temporarily. What's the point of continuing the arguments?
It only seems to be getting worse and more personal.
I never thought people would get so defensive over this particular book. Seriously if some people have issues with it they have a right to it.
Why is this such a big deal when it comes to this book? Some people do make up their minds before reading the complete book.
Why is that such a crime all of a sudden? Because it's Franks book?
I highly doubt everyone read latoya's or Jermaine's book before deciding to not buy it, let's be honest.
I think most people in this thread need a break from all of this. It's just sad to me reading these pages.
It's not worth it really.
Christmas is around the corner, a nice moment to focus on happier things or more important issues at least.
I say this with love by the way
No offense but I think this post is taking things a bit far. There are people who have issues with the book that have read it and aren't just "haters".
Seriously interesting seeing how the mood in this thread has turned. Not even gonna comment on some other statements made in this thread recently. Just a shame really especially since I remember how different things were here when Michael was still here.
Maybe this thread should be closed at least temporarily. What's the point of continuing the arguments?
It only seems to be getting worse and more personal.
I never thought people would get so defensive over this particular book. Seriously if some people have issues with it they have a right to it.
Why is this such a big deal when it comes to this book? Some people do make up their minds before reading the complete book.
Why is that such a crime all of a sudden? Because it's Franks book?
I highly doubt everyone read latoya's or Jermaine's book before deciding to not buy it, let's be honest.
I think most people in this thread need a break from all of this. It's just sad to me reading these pages.
It's not worth it really.
Christmas is around the corner, a nice moment to focus on happier things or more important issues at least.
I say this with love by the way
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MoeJack;3558635 said:
Exactly. Just because it doesn´t please the fans it doesn´t mean it has to be a lie.
Re: Frank Cascio "My Friend Michael" book release date Nov 15 ,2011 / Excerpt posted at @pg151
Nor does it mean it must be the truth.^^^
MOD NOTE:This is totally unbelievable and yet not.
A person does not have to read a book to get an idea of what a book is about. A person can read snippets hered and there and very well come up with an idea of a feel of something. I really wish people would not act as if they do not do this many, many times through out their lives. If you want to read the book, that is fine. But do not act as if every person who has not read the book in entirety all of the way through should have no opinion. There is absolutely no reason to get snappy with people like that. Sometimes, people are commenting on interviews, write ups, etc that reflect the book and they are well within their rights hered to post concerning those things whether they have read the books or not. And is people have legitimate concerns who are some of you people to call people haters or demean their concerns or opinions. That is so wrong. Especially when some of these same people have not been so forthright in giving this kind of treatment to others who have done things. I guess Frank gets a free pass. Whatever. It really needsd to stop now.
Conversely, for those who have not read the book, people really need to stop saying what they think the book says when they are not sure. Talking about interviews, headlines is one thing, but attributing things to the book when are not even sure what the book says is wrong as well. Talking about Frank's lack of communicating skills in interviews and his flip-flopping is one thing. But when talking solely about the book, it kind of helps if you have actually read the book. Now that Frank doesn't seem to be giving more interviews and the headlines have come and gone, getting back to what is actually in the book wopuld be helpful so that this thread can progress and doesn't just rehash again and again the same arguments.
People are continually demeaning one another for their opinions. It is easy to fall into that habit. But we have to demand better from ourselves. People assuming people don't like the book just because they have not read it is not appropriate; or assuming they don't like certain things in the book just because it does not reflect well upon Michael is so wrong. People assuming that people like the book because they are willing to believe everything Frank said or are in denial is wrong as well.
Some middle ground must be met. Some concessions have to be made and people need to stop assuming.
Nor does it mean it must be the truth.^^^
MOD NOTE:This is totally unbelievable and yet not.
A person does not have to read a book to get an idea of what a book is about. A person can read snippets hered and there and very well come up with an idea of a feel of something. I really wish people would not act as if they do not do this many, many times through out their lives. If you want to read the book, that is fine. But do not act as if every person who has not read the book in entirety all of the way through should have no opinion. There is absolutely no reason to get snappy with people like that. Sometimes, people are commenting on interviews, write ups, etc that reflect the book and they are well within their rights hered to post concerning those things whether they have read the books or not. And is people have legitimate concerns who are some of you people to call people haters or demean their concerns or opinions. That is so wrong. Especially when some of these same people have not been so forthright in giving this kind of treatment to others who have done things. I guess Frank gets a free pass. Whatever. It really needsd to stop now.
Conversely, for those who have not read the book, people really need to stop saying what they think the book says when they are not sure. Talking about interviews, headlines is one thing, but attributing things to the book when are not even sure what the book says is wrong as well. Talking about Frank's lack of communicating skills in interviews and his flip-flopping is one thing. But when talking solely about the book, it kind of helps if you have actually read the book. Now that Frank doesn't seem to be giving more interviews and the headlines have come and gone, getting back to what is actually in the book wopuld be helpful so that this thread can progress and doesn't just rehash again and again the same arguments.
People are continually demeaning one another for their opinions. It is easy to fall into that habit. But we have to demand better from ourselves. People assuming people don't like the book just because they have not read it is not appropriate; or assuming they don't like certain things in the book just because it does not reflect well upon Michael is so wrong. People assuming that people like the book because they are willing to believe everything Frank said or are in denial is wrong as well.
Some middle ground must be met. Some concessions have to be made and people need to stop assuming.
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This is what I was trying to say. I never said you had to read the book, but I don't like how people spread misinformation about it when some of it can be clear by reading the summary or people's takes of it. You can't really have a real and civil discussion when one side have their facts mix up.
There is also the problem of some fans questioning the morality of other fans with questions and statements like: 'if this was anyone else, but Michael', 'how can you believe everything Frank said', 'you call Michael a liar'. As I said, just because we chose to believe some stuff from Frank doesn't mean we believe everything or think he is an angel. The same is true for Michael. It has gotten to the point on this board that you can't say anything critical of Michael without being attack, even if the criticism is valid.
I know everyone is more jumpy than usual because the trial just ended, but I've seen more hate towards Frank's book than Toya, Rowe, T. Randy, and Ian's book combine and they said allot more damaging things about Michael than Frank. Even Jones' book back in the day didn't get this much attention.
This is what I was trying to say. I never said you had to read the book, but I don't like how people spread misinformation about it when some of it can be clear by reading the summary or people's takes of it. You can't really have a real and civil discussion when one side have their facts mix up.
There is also the problem of some fans questioning the morality of other fans with questions and statements like: 'if this was anyone else, but Michael', 'how can you believe everything Frank said', 'you call Michael a liar'. As I said, just because we chose to believe some stuff from Frank doesn't mean we believe everything or think he is an angel. The same is true for Michael. It has gotten to the point on this board that you can't say anything critical of Michael without being attack, even if the criticism is valid.
I know everyone is more jumpy than usual because the trial just ended, but I've seen more hate towards Frank's book than Toya, Rowe, T. Randy, and Ian's book combine and they said allot more damaging things about Michael than Frank. Even Jones' book back in the day didn't get this much attention.
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Re: Frank Cascio "My Friend Michael" book release date Nov 15 ,2011 / Excerpt posted at @pg151
Ginvid, thanks for another wonderful post! I could not have said it better myself.
I'm also surprised by the latest development in this thread. We should understand that different people always have different opinons. And, no one's opinion is better than another. People who don't like the book are not necessarily haters. People who like the book are not in denial.
I have read the book myself and I actually enjoy it. However, I understand why so many have issues with a friend writing a book and shared personal stories about Michael. Different people want to honor Michael in different ways. Some may want to preserve and safeguard the wonderful memories of Michael. So, some may find this book a difficult read, especially so shortly after the trial.
If people are turned off by the negative headlines this book helped spin, then they have the right to do so.
If people think the long term benefit outweights the short term damages, then they are also right.
I happen to think both opinions are valid.
Ginvid, thanks for another wonderful post! I could not have said it better myself.
I'm also surprised by the latest development in this thread. We should understand that different people always have different opinons. And, no one's opinion is better than another. People who don't like the book are not necessarily haters. People who like the book are not in denial.
I have read the book myself and I actually enjoy it. However, I understand why so many have issues with a friend writing a book and shared personal stories about Michael. Different people want to honor Michael in different ways. Some may want to preserve and safeguard the wonderful memories of Michael. So, some may find this book a difficult read, especially so shortly after the trial.
If people are turned off by the negative headlines this book helped spin, then they have the right to do so.
If people think the long term benefit outweights the short term damages, then they are also right.
I happen to think both opinions are valid.
Re: Frank Cascio "My Friend Michael" book release date Nov 15 ,2011 / Excerpt posted at @pg151
I agree with the "assuming" part.
I think some people's (at least mine) problem ISN'T people having an opinion. It's people having an opinion based on an ASSUMPTION without reading the book.
For example very recently a poster ASSUMED that Frank focused on Michael's flaws and omitted his own and we had pages of messages about this. Well if you have an opinion about mentioning Michael's flaws it's fine but if you are going to compare what Frank has written about Michael versus himself - well please read the book rather than making ASSUMPTIONS.
To me what is most tiring is that when people make ASSUMPTIONS without reading the book and we need to spend post after post after post writing about the book.
Personally I think while "concept" of the book is discussable by everyone, discussion about the "content" of the book kinda requires reading the book.
I agree with the "assuming" part.
I think some people's (at least mine) problem ISN'T people having an opinion. It's people having an opinion based on an ASSUMPTION without reading the book.
For example very recently a poster ASSUMED that Frank focused on Michael's flaws and omitted his own and we had pages of messages about this. Well if you have an opinion about mentioning Michael's flaws it's fine but if you are going to compare what Frank has written about Michael versus himself - well please read the book rather than making ASSUMPTIONS.
To me what is most tiring is that when people make ASSUMPTIONS without reading the book and we need to spend post after post after post writing about the book.
Personally I think while "concept" of the book is discussable by everyone, discussion about the "content" of the book kinda requires reading the book.
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Re: Frank Cascio "My Friend Michael" book release date Nov 15 ,2011 / Excerpt posted at @pg151
Agreed with you about the assumption part. I also think it would be helpful for people to actually read the book before assuming what Frank said or did not say in the book. Reading the exerpts can be misleading at times.
However, I also oberserve how people who like the book called the non-readers haters. I don't think we can generalize in this case. The people choose not to read the books may be turned off by the negative headlines or they simply are not ready. May be because I was skeptical about the book before reading it, I can relate to the people who choose not to read the book.
I believe Ginvid is right. We need to find a middle ground here. People should stop making assumptions about what's in Frank's book. And, people need to stop making assumptions among others.
Agreed with you about the assumption part. I also think it would be helpful for people to actually read the book before assuming what Frank said or did not say in the book. Reading the exerpts can be misleading at times.
However, I also oberserve how people who like the book called the non-readers haters. I don't think we can generalize in this case. The people choose not to read the books may be turned off by the negative headlines or they simply are not ready. May be because I was skeptical about the book before reading it, I can relate to the people who choose not to read the book.
I believe Ginvid is right. We need to find a middle ground here. People should stop making assumptions about what's in Frank's book. And, people need to stop making assumptions among others.
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Re: Frank Cascio "My Friend Michael" book release date Nov 15 ,2011 / Excerpt posted at @pg151
I agree that we should all find middle ground and respect each other's opinions. However, judging a book without actually reading it, is the same as juging a person without knowing him/her, or juding a culture/ethnicity without knowing its customs. Sometimes even if two people read the same book ,they may interpret it in different ways. One fan may feel that overall the book was great and enlightening. Another fan might be bothered by certain points that he/she felt ruined the experience of enjoying the book. The problem is when someone who didn't read the book at all tries to use things he/she read here and there to try and formulate an opinion about the entire book. As Michael Jackson fans, I think we're the first people to know what it's like to judge a person without truly getting to know that person. Or assuming there must be a fire since there's smoke. It's that same ideaology that people use to accuse Michael of all the atrocious things he was accused of during his lifetime. Imagine if I were to take someone who somehow had never heard about Michael Jackson, and I put together a video for him of all the negative things that were talked about in the media, eccentricities, plastic surgeries, baby danglings, drugs, child molestation..my god, I'm getting creeped out just writing these things. If I presented these to someone, what do you think his opinion will be of this so called King of Pop. This scenario is comparable to judging a book or trying to get a feel for the book just from small snippets here and there. Some fans may have just been exposed to all the so called "negative" aspects that others pointed. So with that mentality they would naturally assume this book is rubbish. I just feel that whether it's the book, Frank, Michael, or anyone for that matter, we shouldn't jump to conclusions without taking the time to understand the facts..
I agree that we should all find middle ground and respect each other's opinions. However, judging a book without actually reading it, is the same as juging a person without knowing him/her, or juding a culture/ethnicity without knowing its customs. Sometimes even if two people read the same book ,they may interpret it in different ways. One fan may feel that overall the book was great and enlightening. Another fan might be bothered by certain points that he/she felt ruined the experience of enjoying the book. The problem is when someone who didn't read the book at all tries to use things he/she read here and there to try and formulate an opinion about the entire book. As Michael Jackson fans, I think we're the first people to know what it's like to judge a person without truly getting to know that person. Or assuming there must be a fire since there's smoke. It's that same ideaology that people use to accuse Michael of all the atrocious things he was accused of during his lifetime. Imagine if I were to take someone who somehow had never heard about Michael Jackson, and I put together a video for him of all the negative things that were talked about in the media, eccentricities, plastic surgeries, baby danglings, drugs, child molestation..my god, I'm getting creeped out just writing these things. If I presented these to someone, what do you think his opinion will be of this so called King of Pop. This scenario is comparable to judging a book or trying to get a feel for the book just from small snippets here and there. Some fans may have just been exposed to all the so called "negative" aspects that others pointed. So with that mentality they would naturally assume this book is rubbish. I just feel that whether it's the book, Frank, Michael, or anyone for that matter, we shouldn't jump to conclusions without taking the time to understand the facts..
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Re: Frank Cascio "My Friend Michael" book release date Nov 15 ,2011 / Excerpt posted at @pg151
I'm really curious about certain things Frank has obviously told Roger about.
- Blanket's mother
- seems likely he has told Friedman MJ is not the father of his kids
- Elizabeth Taylor jewelry thing
- talk of drugs
- Omer being the son
- spider bite
Probably others I've missed. He claims he only shared things with Roger to help Michael, I can't see how sharing those stories helps Michael. It makes me wonder if when Michael cut him off he decided to do what most people did and just sell out stories to someone, namely Friedman.
I find it interesting that a lot of the negative stories he's shared are ones he's shared with Friedman before, Friedman seemed to have been expecting all of them. It was like Frank felt obliged to validate them in his book.
Do you have the story from the doctor who treated the spider bite?
I think the reason Michael gave with cutting Frank off in 2005 was an excuse, he never liked confrontations, so I think that was his attempt to try and end his friendship there in as gentle a manner he could without having Frank be angry at him. It seems like there had been tension between them for a while in 2002 and 2003 before they had to stop talking for the trial.
I mean... part of the problem MJ had with the party Frank threw was that he'd invited his two friends, who were both in the process of having sued Michael. I find that a strange thing to do to a friend. He claims Michael was okay with this... I find that hard to believe and I find it telling he believes Michael should be okay with it.
I'm really curious about certain things Frank has obviously told Roger about.
- Blanket's mother
- seems likely he has told Friedman MJ is not the father of his kids
- Elizabeth Taylor jewelry thing
- talk of drugs
- Omer being the son
- spider bite
Probably others I've missed. He claims he only shared things with Roger to help Michael, I can't see how sharing those stories helps Michael. It makes me wonder if when Michael cut him off he decided to do what most people did and just sell out stories to someone, namely Friedman.
I find it interesting that a lot of the negative stories he's shared are ones he's shared with Friedman before, Friedman seemed to have been expecting all of them. It was like Frank felt obliged to validate them in his book.
Do you have the story from the doctor who treated the spider bite?
I think the reason Michael gave with cutting Frank off in 2005 was an excuse, he never liked confrontations, so I think that was his attempt to try and end his friendship there in as gentle a manner he could without having Frank be angry at him. It seems like there had been tension between them for a while in 2002 and 2003 before they had to stop talking for the trial.
I mean... part of the problem MJ had with the party Frank threw was that he'd invited his two friends, who were both in the process of having sued Michael. I find that a strange thing to do to a friend. He claims Michael was okay with this... I find that hard to believe and I find it telling he believes Michael should be okay with it.
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Wow!!!! :doh:
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And you're certain he's telling the truth because? Maybe we need to applaud him for giving "the truth" to the tabs behind MJ's back too?
Again why are you so certain what's in the book is the truth? Nevermind the fact that even Frank himself admits many times he doesn't know if the story is true and he's just speculating and assuming things.
Again, why is MJ the big liar and everyone else is telling the truth?
I'll say it again, I don't need this type of "truth" that a lot of times consists mostly of speculations, opinions and selective stories so he doesn't offend certain people he wants to remain in the good graces of. No thanks to this type of "truth". Especially when it's being sold at Michael's expense and at a time when he cannot respond or defend himself. What a convenient time to come out with the "truth".
I mean, he didn't have a problem blabbing to Roger behind MJ's back, so why didn't ha have the balls to write this book and tell the "truth" while MJ was still here, affording him the courtesy of giving his side of the story and defend himself? I think we all know the answer to that question...
And you're certain he's telling the truth because? Maybe we need to applaud him for giving "the truth" to the tabs behind MJ's back too?
Again why are you so certain what's in the book is the truth? Nevermind the fact that even Frank himself admits many times he doesn't know if the story is true and he's just speculating and assuming things.
Again, why is MJ the big liar and everyone else is telling the truth?
I'll say it again, I don't need this type of "truth" that a lot of times consists mostly of speculations, opinions and selective stories so he doesn't offend certain people he wants to remain in the good graces of. No thanks to this type of "truth". Especially when it's being sold at Michael's expense and at a time when he cannot respond or defend himself. What a convenient time to come out with the "truth".
I mean, he didn't have a problem blabbing to Roger behind MJ's back, so why didn't ha have the balls to write this book and tell the "truth" while MJ was still here, affording him the courtesy of giving his side of the story and defend himself? I think we all know the answer to that question...
Re: Frank Cascio "My Friend Michael" book release date Nov 15 ,2011 / Excerpt posted at @pg151
he also says that Michael told him to make the lawsuit go away and he was trying to come to an settlement. It's always preferable to negotiate and settle rather than going through a long court battle. I mean probably letting them into neverland was oversight and he could have meet with them someplace else however his intentions seem to be genuine.
and I'm curious about how certain some of you seem to be that Frank was the source for Friedman or even his only source. For example Friedman wrote an article I suppose either Michael's first or second death anniversary and said in 2005 Dileo told him that he saw an IV in Michael's bedroom and believed them to be tranquilizers. Shaffel is the one that said the spider bite was actually a heroin shot (Frank says it was a nutritional IV). All of Friedman's stories from way back about Michael's business requires other people such as managers, lawyers etc that were knowledgeable about those stuff.
And if I'm not mistaken spider bite note was from Dr. Alex Farshian
he also says that Michael told him to make the lawsuit go away and he was trying to come to an settlement. It's always preferable to negotiate and settle rather than going through a long court battle. I mean probably letting them into neverland was oversight and he could have meet with them someplace else however his intentions seem to be genuine.
and I'm curious about how certain some of you seem to be that Frank was the source for Friedman or even his only source. For example Friedman wrote an article I suppose either Michael's first or second death anniversary and said in 2005 Dileo told him that he saw an IV in Michael's bedroom and believed them to be tranquilizers. Shaffel is the one that said the spider bite was actually a heroin shot (Frank says it was a nutritional IV). All of Friedman's stories from way back about Michael's business requires other people such as managers, lawyers etc that were knowledgeable about those stuff.
And if I'm not mistaken spider bite note was from Dr. Alex Farshian
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I have to look it up. It was a doctor from Florida as far as I remember and he submitted his report to the judge. I'll check up to see if I can find it.
Well that is certainly messed up. People who just sued MJ and he's inviting them to a party in MJ's HOME? Seriously WTF? I very much doubt MJ was ok with that.
And BTW, for those who are talking about "haters" - I'm certainly not a hater. Up until this book I have defended the Cascios to the max. Check my old posts if you don't believe. I have defended Frank, I have defended their songs, I bought the album and supported it and defended them anywhere and everywhere I could. Again, check my old posts and you'll see. So I'm far from being a hater.
I have to look it up. It was a doctor from Florida as far as I remember and he submitted his report to the judge. I'll check up to see if I can find it.
Well that is certainly messed up. People who just sued MJ and he's inviting them to a party in MJ's HOME? Seriously WTF? I very much doubt MJ was ok with that.
And BTW, for those who are talking about "haters" - I'm certainly not a hater. Up until this book I have defended the Cascios to the max. Check my old posts if you don't believe. I have defended Frank, I have defended their songs, I bought the album and supported it and defended them anywhere and everywhere I could. Again, check my old posts and you'll see. So I'm far from being a hater.
Re: Frank Cascio "My Friend Michael" book release date Nov 15 ,2011 / Excerpt posted at @pg151
Again I think it was Dr. Alex Farshian
- according to Frank he was the doctor Michael hired after his 1999-2001 issues to get clean.
- US weekly in 2009 claimed that it wasn't a spider bite but an IV given by Dr. Alex Farshian went wrong.
He didn't invite them to a party. He asked them to come to the house one night to discuss the lawsuit and come to an agreement.
Frank says his reason was Michael told him "fix it , make the lawsuit go away". And he says it was "radical" to ask them to come to Neverland and that Michael was angry when he found out those were in the house but later calmed down.
Again I think it was Dr. Alex Farshian
- according to Frank he was the doctor Michael hired after his 1999-2001 issues to get clean.
- US weekly in 2009 claimed that it wasn't a spider bite but an IV given by Dr. Alex Farshian went wrong.
He didn't invite them to a party. He asked them to come to the house one night to discuss the lawsuit and come to an agreement.
Frank says his reason was Michael told him "fix it , make the lawsuit go away". And he says it was "radical" to ask them to come to Neverland and that Michael was angry when he found out those were in the house but later calmed down.
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Re: Frank Cascio "My Friend Michael" book release date Nov 15 ,2011 / Excerpt posted at @pg151
I never said I was certain he's telling the truth. I'm just saying that we should acknowledge the possibility that he may be telling the truth even if we don't like it. I mean what if he told a wonderful story about Michael that was so lovely and inspirational. We probably believe it right? Not because we know it's the truth (because we don't) but simply because we want it to be the truth. Anything negative is dismissed as lies, and anything positive is welcomed wit open arms. Again, I'm not claiming to know the truth behind Frank's stories, but I'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt as someone who has been Michael's close friend for decades and has nothing to gain from distorting the truth at this point..
Nobody said MJ was the big liar, but that doesnt mean Frank is a liar either..
Defending himself against what?? Frank never accused Michael of anything! He just wrote a bunch of stories about his time with Michael. That's it. It's his personal memoir of his time with Michael. If fans are interested in reading it great..if not, that's there choice. It's one thing to not like Frank or his book, and another thing to start accusing him of things he didn't do or say..
I never said I was certain he's telling the truth. I'm just saying that we should acknowledge the possibility that he may be telling the truth even if we don't like it. I mean what if he told a wonderful story about Michael that was so lovely and inspirational. We probably believe it right? Not because we know it's the truth (because we don't) but simply because we want it to be the truth. Anything negative is dismissed as lies, and anything positive is welcomed wit open arms. Again, I'm not claiming to know the truth behind Frank's stories, but I'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt as someone who has been Michael's close friend for decades and has nothing to gain from distorting the truth at this point..
Nobody said MJ was the big liar, but that doesnt mean Frank is a liar either..
Defending himself against what?? Frank never accused Michael of anything! He just wrote a bunch of stories about his time with Michael. That's it. It's his personal memoir of his time with Michael. If fans are interested in reading it great..if not, that's there choice. It's one thing to not like Frank or his book, and another thing to start accusing him of things he didn't do or say..
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Re: Frank Cascio "My Friend Michael" book release date Nov 15 ,2011 / Excerpt posted at @pg151
Wow frank said that to roger???? oh boy frank what have u done!?
Wow frank said that to roger???? oh boy frank what have u done!?
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Re: Frank Cascio "My Friend Michael" book release date Nov 15 ,2011 / Excerpt posted at @pg151
This is what Frank says. I find it hard to believe that Michael was so affable about yet another lawsuit, this time involving people Frank, his friend, had brought in. He says his intentions were genuine in his book, what else would he say?
Someone asked Frank that on the facebook for his book the other day, he deleted the message. He's deleted all messages relating to Friedman.
Friedman seems very convinced about it and we've seen Frank dodge the question in an interview, I imagine the two have spoken about it. The Blanket mother story is ripped directly from what we know Frank has now said. If he spoke to Friedman about Blanket, why not about the other kids? Doesn't the Blanket mother story reported by Friedman also involve another man's sperm?
In that recent post in June 25th by Friedman he said that he'd been assured or something that many more tales of MJ using propofol before would come from Frank's book. Which is what was in Frank's book. He also repeated the story about Omer being Michael's son, which was again in Frank's book. If he felt so comfortable sharing all these stories in his book, why not to Friedman before?
This is what Frank says. I find it hard to believe that Michael was so affable about yet another lawsuit, this time involving people Frank, his friend, had brought in. He says his intentions were genuine in his book, what else would he say?
Someone asked Frank that on the facebook for his book the other day, he deleted the message. He's deleted all messages relating to Friedman.
Friedman seems very convinced about it and we've seen Frank dodge the question in an interview, I imagine the two have spoken about it. The Blanket mother story is ripped directly from what we know Frank has now said. If he spoke to Friedman about Blanket, why not about the other kids? Doesn't the Blanket mother story reported by Friedman also involve another man's sperm?
In that recent post in June 25th by Friedman he said that he'd been assured or something that many more tales of MJ using propofol before would come from Frank's book. Which is what was in Frank's book. He also repeated the story about Omer being Michael's son, which was again in Frank's book. If he felt so comfortable sharing all these stories in his book, why not to Friedman before?
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Re: Frank Cascio "My Friend Michael" book release date Nov 15 ,2011 / Excerpt posted at @pg151
Again here is the example that people jump to the conclusion. The poster said it "seem like".
This is all assumption.
1 Frank never said they weren't MJ's bio kids.
2 People here just "guessing" maybe Frank was the source of lots of thing of Frideman but it doesn't equal to he really told him those things.
Honestly, how can Frank know whether they were Mj's bio kids for sure????
People can chose to question Frank's words but just don't accusing him something base on assumption or guessing.
Again here is the example that people jump to the conclusion. The poster said it "seem like".
This is all assumption.
1 Frank never said they weren't MJ's bio kids.
2 People here just "guessing" maybe Frank was the source of lots of thing of Frideman but it doesn't equal to he really told him those things.
Honestly, how can Frank know whether they were Mj's bio kids for sure????
People can chose to question Frank's words but just don't accusing him something base on assumption or guessing.