Did MJ Find Love In The Dark (continued)

Does this possibly mean that you have personally encountered someone who is presenting themselves as the woman that was last in his life, and...

you believe them?

As you know this thread (a beautiful thread BTW) is mostly about speculating about Michael's love life and your beliefs/dreams about if he had or had not met the love of his life so this is not the place for me to answer to your questions.

I know how hard it is to believe something without having any "proofs", without seeing with your own eyes or listening with your own ears , but you have to feel it in your heart and if you do so you couldn't be mistaken.

Someday , hopefully it will be known by the world and everybody will be happy for Michael :heart:
 
Well, like you've already brought up, if we are using the meaning of "love in the dark" as being hidden, then yeah, lot's of gals may have been in MJ's life and stayed hidden, just like the LITD girl stayed "hidden" from view or general knowledge (if she exists)...but if we mean "love in the dark" like AllForMJ was intending it, that is, and MP, you are saying this, too, then it means one special lady that God revealed to him at some point in his life as being "the best choice for him" or "the only one for him" or "God's divine choice for him," or his "soulmate," etc.

You stated that very well. Yes, I think that is what has been confusing me - the fact that the term "LITD" can be used either way, when I had just been seeing it one way (the way AllforMJ had intended it). I always viewed it as meaning something far more special than just being involved in a secret relationship with MJ. A matter of semantics, as they say? Perhaps coming up with another term for all the other gals would help.


I can't imagine doing that. Wouldn't it be difficult, and cause some inner turmoil. But I've always been a one guy at a time kinda gal. I can't love two at the same time, at least, not in the same compacity. The only way I can picture it, if there are two simultaneously (like maybe in MJ's life at any point), then the level of love, or the type of love is different between himself and each of the two.

Isn't that kind of what we were assuming was going on if indeed "You Are Not Alone" when it came out was a message to his LITD girl (if she evah, evah existed)...while he was still married to Lisa Marie? Did MJ love Lisa Marie? Yes, I totally believe he did. Was it the same kind of love he had for the LITD girl...I don't think so. We have talked about the importance of having in place (in fact I think SoS, AllforMJ, and Shhaaby all talked about this) a Love... in all three of these areas: Mind, Body, and Spirit. Do I have the right three? And we talked about how Lisa Marie did not have the same kind of relationship with God that MJ had..so that would indicate that things were not "in place" in the area of "spirit." But then again, if the LITD girl was not "in" his life...(because it was a long distance, spiritual communication, only) then things were not in place in the area of "body" for her and MJ. But, hmm, I think there is a better chance for a deep, meaningful love, from God, that can take place between two people without the "body" connection, if that is the only thing missing, than a relationship with the "spirit" connection missing, at least for such a spiritual individual as MJ.

However, in a marriage relationship, I would think it's the three areas being present that are making it complete.

What do you guys think about all this?

I mean, there are marriages, I should think, where something occurs, like an illness, where the couple cannot be intimate with each other physically...but if their love is strong based also on the "mind" area, and especially the "spirit" area...will they not get through it without their love being jeopardized?

But if in a marriage, a couple is "unevenly" yoked, or there is no connection in the "spirit" area...even though they have had some connection through the "mind" area, and the "body" (physical) area, will love, can the love, if it was ever there truly in the first place, flourish or even survive?

It also seems to me that the mind and body areas of connection will reach their true level of fulfillment, only if the "spirit" connection, with God in the right place in the relationship, is present and where it needs to be. Don't you think that marriage would have a better chance of lasting and the love behind it being superior, that way, than a love that is without the "spirit" area being in place?

Maybe MJ had some lovely 3D interactions with some really fascinating, beautiful, likable, amazing women, but if only some of the areas were there in these relationships, but not all three...it could still be a "love" of sorts, but not "a love so divine," which MJ made clear through his lyrics he longed for. And I think probally prayed for.

Also very well put. I've been thinking there must have been a reason God said to not be "unequally yoked." However, I think if two people are "unequally yoked," this could possibly be overcome, but not without a lot of help and intervention from God.

But, speaking of being a "one guy at a time" kinda gal, I think MJ and his LITD were probably both "one person at a time" kinda people, also, but like you said, we are mind, body and spirit (which I believe also encompasses the mind), and if you have just the spirit, you probably long for the body part, and likewise, if you have just the body part, you probably long for the spirit. This would probably explain how it would be easy for them to love two people at the same time. Like you said, the love they would feel for each person would be different and on a different level, I suppose. The love they have for each other would be very deep since it would be on a spiritual level, but they might love the other person for other reasons.


I was thinking other day about everything that people said about Michael :thinking: ..... principally Frank and others. I came to the conclusion that all people around Michael knew just enough, the essential just what Michael wanted them to know, nothing more. I think Michael NEVER spoke everything about himself to everyone around her. One part was only with him and nobody else. To me that's a fact. -_- Or not???? :fear:

I agree with that. I think a lot had to do with how much he trusted a person.
 
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Also very well put. I've been thinking there must have been a reason God said to not be "unequally yoked." However, I think if two people are "unequally yoked," this could possibly be overcome, but not without a lot of help and intervention from God.
Do you think the right thing for MJ to have done as far a shis marriage with Lisa Marie, was to hang in there with the marriage and never cease praying that she would come to the Lord? Then I think of the scripture, where Paul is dicussing some of this in 1 Corinthians 7, and says that if the unbelieving spouse wants to leave the marriage...the believer is not bound in such a situation for God has called us to peace. And the next part brings up the argument many have in regards not only to marriage, but the idea of "ministry dating" and that is:

(Corin. 7:16) How do you know wife, whether you will save your husband? Or, how do you know husband, whether you will save your wife?

In other words, we have no guarentee that any of us can be successful in leading someone over to Christ or even into a deeper relationship with Jesus if they have put other things in more importance in their lives than Him. Prayer is powerful though, and there have been many marriage relationships restored through the spouse praying faithfully for their spouse...but it can take YEARS before their heart is changed. And again, some hearts are so hardened or so deceived they do not turn. :(
But, speaking of being a "one guy at a time" kinda gal, I think MJ and his LITD were probably both "one person at a time" kinda people, also, but like you said, we are mind, body and spirit (which I believe also encompasses the mind), and if you have just the spirit, you probably long for the body part, and likewise, if you have just the body part, you probably long for the spirit. This would probably explain how it would be easy for them to love two people at the same time. Like you said, the love they would feel for each person would be different and on a different level, I suppose. The love they have for each other would be very deep since it would be on a spiritual level, but they might love the other person for other reasons.

Well. when I think of the saying "my heart belongs to them" what does that mean? I would think if someone's heart belongs to another, than that heart will not belong to anyone else. A person can love others, but still, their heart belongs to only one and nothing wold change that...right?

This brings back to my memory a time when I was only 19 and what someone said to me. I had been struggling with bulemia at a time when it was not discussed or read about in articles and so I felt I was the only horrible person in the world weak enough to be doing such a thing to my body. It brought a lot of shame and self-loathing. And my family could tell something was not right with me but I could not share the secret of what I was doing...too shaming. But I told them if they wanted I'd fo see a pyschologist and try to talk wiht them about whatever was amiss with me. I thought maybe it would be interesting.

So they found a counselor, and she was very nice, and as was my norm, I smoothly got the woman talking all about herself and telling me stories form her life. I may seem to share a lot of stories here for you all, but there was a time a didn't share any stories ab out myself with anyone. I have freedom in this area now. But, of course, I pick and choose my stories. :)

I just couldn't get it out of my mouth to her that I was making myself throw up on a regular basis. The only thing I told her that was maybe contributing to my unhappiness wiht life was that my high school boyfriend (after I broke up with him) wouldn't go back with me and instead wanted to play the field as a lifeguard at the beach and party. Which he ended up doing. And I told her I was having such a hard time understanding how someone could love me and then stop loving me and I didn't know what to do with that.

She then told me how she had been in love with a special young man, too, in her past, but they ended up breaking up and he moved across the country. She, pointing to the photo on her desk, said, "I married and you can see me here with him and our children. But, (and I'll never forget the look in her eyes when she said this) I will never stop loving that man who was in a love relationship with earlier on. I will always love him." I asked, "Even though you're married." And she nodded, with conviction. I was blown away by that. And I think her message was, let the guy go, release him, still love him if you must, but get on with life.

And then she told me I seemed like a very adjusted young lady and I probably didn't need to keep seeing her. Haha! I didn't. But...God used the bulemia in my life as one of the ways he brought me to Him. Becuase, I eventually, about a year later, after throwing up one night, and feeling that strange light-headed rush in my head while sitting on the cold bathroom floor by the toilet, with tears running down my face and such strong self-hate, I said in my mind, "God if you are real, please help me stop!" And He graciously healed me completely, overnight. The next day I did not make myself throw up, or the next day, or the next day... or any day up to today,..over thirty years later.

I knew by the way that counselor said it, that even though she loved her husband in some way, and made her life with him, her heart still belonged to that other man.

I got over my high school boyfriend. lol. Too much a partier! haha. I wasn't that type.


MP said:
I agree with that. I think a lot had to do with how much he trusted a person.

I don't know why MJ would need to tell a lot of people about it. Maybe a few, like you say, trusted people he knows well...or better yet, those who he felt he got the "okay" from God to share it with. And therefore, I would think, very few.

And I would hope it would work the same way with the LITD girl...that she would share with only a couple people she was in close "real life" (not online) relationships with. I know when I had interests in uys in the past I would keep quiet about it or only my closest friend would know...but here we are talking about Michael Jackson, and what that brings about, unfortunately, too often is

EGO.

If some woman is shairng how she has had a relationship with Michalel Jackson to more that a couple close friends, or to people she only knows online...I can think of no other rason for this other than a character flaw, one that involves ego. her identity is somehow caught up in being known as having been connected with Michael Jackson.

And, now we have, if she has told fans, fans getting filled up by thier egos because they are the lucky ones who are privy and, my gosh, have talked to a woman who had a close relationship with MJ! So the fans weaken due to ego and let others know.

It's hard to self-examine our motivations for things...and we don't want to think ego is behind it. But very often when someone is not strong enough to keep things quiet...it's because they are weak in this area. And it does take a lot of inner-strength that needs to be practiced again and again and to say "no" to oneself when they get the urge.

I'm convinced if Michael Jackson found someone who was as close to a mirror image to himself as possible, and this woman was brought into his life by God, she would be like MJ... in that she would be good at keeping things quiet and not share with just anyone, especially those she only knows, as well as someone can know, a person online. And if she is a woman of godly character, that would continue even after he died.
And she would have no need for her ego to be fed by making sure others know she had something to do with Michael Jackson.
 
^^^^^"if you have ever lost a loved one, then you know exactly how it feels.And if you have not then you cannot possibly imagine it"

Do not judge a person whom you know nothing about.

You're right about a thing though "she is as close as a mirror image "

And you guys here you should know better what an online friend could mean for someone sometimes.

And I'm not weak, my reasons are may be well hidden for you but is definitely not out of weakness .But your very reaction here, although soft and somehow veiled shows to me that I should have shut up as I knew I should have done it before I started.

I am sorry I interfered .


:heart:
 
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I agree with that. I think a lot had to do with how much he trusted a person.

Great! :wild: At least someone agrees with me. :lol: :fear:






I don't know why MJ would need to tell a lot of people about it. Maybe a few, like you say, trusted people he knows well...or better yet, those who he felt he got the "okay" from God to share it with. And therefore, I would think, very few.

:agree:



I think Michael could count on the fingers how many people he could trust blindly, very few. *big sigh*





And you guys here you should know better what an online friend could mean for someone sometimes.

And I'm not weak, my reasons are may be well hidden for you but is definitely not out of weakness .But your very reaction here, although soft and somehow veiled shows to me that I should have shut up as I knew I should have done it before I started.

I am sorry I interfered .


:heart:

:scratch: :fear:
 
You know, Claudiadoina, I have been aware of this situation for some time now, and I was expecting someone to post in here eventually about this individual who has managed to convince quite a few fans that they were MJ's love interest at the time of his death.

The reason why I said ego...(or maybe it's just simply some kind of need, like a need for closure or many other things that is going on in the fans who have believed this person) is simply to point out the vulnerability of some fans to believe someone like this online.

No, I do not think it is a justification for this person to claim "to need someone to talk to online," instead I see it like a "hook." Many fans would fall into it...and feel compassion and want to be there for a grieving love of MJ's who lost someone so special, that was also so special to these fans. They want to be there for her online. But it is playing with fan's emotions.

For a mature woman in at least, let's say, her late thirties, or possibly much older,or even around MJ's own age, who knew MJ well and his need for privacy, she would not go the online root for finding confidants. It is not wisdom, it is somewhat illusonary and cannot be counted on, and should not replace trusted, in person, relationships offline. If she does not have at least one trusted offline relationship, then that is suspect. Even MJ, with all his need to be careful and private had those personal relationships where he could trust with certain private things. Why wouldn't she? And even if she didn't, wisdom would tell her not to go online.

The reason I say "weak" is from my own walking out in this area...when I have fallen prey to share things I shouldn't have with someone, I realize it was because I was being weak. When I am strong, I do not have the need to share what I shouldn't be sharing with the person I shouldn't be sharing it with. I can say "no" to myself, and stop myself. I am able to think through the consequences, and I keep what I need to keep private, private. If I slip up, yes, it is because of a weakened moment and I have to ask myself, what made me weaken?

I am bringing these things up so those who are believing that this individual is who she really says she is, to stop and consider how she is going about things, and if one, who was truly involved with MJ, and knew about keeping things private, would handle things in this way.

Obviously, I believe this person is either a poser playing with fans for attention and the game of it, or it is someone who maybe did have some kind of relationship with MJ at one time but has made more of it then was really there and is now going about things in the wrong way...which is kinda sad. :(

But I think it is someone playing with your heartstrings (because you so very much wanted MJ to have love in his life) and this person is having a ball with it. And that is beyond sad...it is ugly.

Claudiadoina, I want you to see the possibility that this person might be playing with you and is not being for real.

But back to this, why anyone would come in here and post in such a way to let all who read in here know that they know for sure MJ had love, implying thye have spoken with the woman...I just question the why they would think they should do that. Why would you do that, Cluadiadoina, if it is not partially at least to let people know you know her and who she is, and obviously this is special for you to know MJ's secret love in his life. It means something to you. Yes? No? So why is it, then, that you posted what you did? I don't mean to offend; I just want you to look deeper into this. :hug:

And yes, I am judging this person's (behavior) because I am discerning something not right about what they have been doing. I don't want you gals played with because you loved Michael so much and it means so much to you for him to have had love...and so it means everything for you that you have found her and are there for her.

Is that at least, true?

I think maybe these fans want so much to feel "near" to Michael, because they miss him so much now he's gone, and thinking that they are near to "her, the one he loved" would make them somehow feel near to Michael. But this person probably knows this, and is using it to their advantage. :(
 
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You know, Claudiadoina, I have been aware of this situation for some time now, and I was expecting someone to post in here eventually about this individual who has managed to convince quite a few fans that they were MJ's love interest at the time of his death.

The reason why I said ego...(or maybe it's just simply some kind of need, like a need for closure or many other things that is going on in the fans who have believed this person) is simply to point out the vulnerability of some fans to believe someone like this online.

No, I do not think it is a justification for this person to claim "to need someone to talk to online," instead I see it like a "hook." Many fans would fall into it...and feel compassion and want to be there for a grieving love of MJ's who lost someone so special, that was also so special to these fans. They want to be there for her online. But it is playing with fan's emotions.

For a mature woman in at least, let's say, her late thirties, or possibly much older,or even around MJ's own age, who knew MJ well and his need for privacy, she would not go the online root for finding confidants. It is not wisdom, it is somewhat illusonary and cannot be counted on, and should not replace trusted, in person, relationships offline. If she does not have at least one trusted offline relationship, then that is suspect. Even MJ, with all his need to be careful and private had those personal relationships where he could trust with certain private things. Why wouldn't she? And even if she didn't, wisdom would tell her not to go online.

The reason I say "weak" is from my own walking out in this area...when I have fallen prey to share things I shouldn't have with someone, I realize it was because I was being weak. When I am strong, I do not have the need to share what I shouldn't be sharing with the person I shouldn't be sharing it with. I can say "no" to myself, and stop myself. I am able to think through the consequences, and I keep what I need to keep private, private. If I slip up, yes, it is because of a weakened moment and I have to ask myself, what made me weaken?

I am bringing these things up so those who are believing that this individual is who she really says she is, to stop and consider how she is going about things, and if one, who was truly involved with MJ, and knew about keeping things private, would handle things in this way.

Obviously, I believe this person is either a poser playing with fans for attention and the game of it, or it is someone who maybe did have some kind of relationship with MJ at one time but has made more of it then was really there and is now going about things in the wrong way...which is kinda sad. :(

But I think it is someone playing with your heartstrings (because you so very much wanted MJ to have love in his life) and this person is having a ball with it. And that is beyond sad...it is ugly.

Claudiadoina, I want you to see the possibility that this person might be playing with you and is not being for real.

But back to this, why anyone would come in here and post in such a way to let all who read in here know that they know for sure MJ had love, implying thye have spoken with the woman...I just question the why they would think they should do that. Why would you do that, Cluadiadoina, if it is not partially at least to let people know you know her and who she is, and obviously this is special for you to know MJ's secret love in his life. It means something to you. Yes? No? So why is it, then, that you posted what you did? I don't mean to offend; I just want you to look deeper into this. :hug:

And yes, I am judging this person's (behavior) because I am discerning something not right about what they have been doing. I don't want you gals played with because you loved Michael so much and it means so much to you for him to have had love...and so it means everything for you that you have found her and are there for her.

Is that at least, true?

I think maybe these fans want so much to feel "near" to Michael, because they miss him so much now he's gone, and thinking that they are near to "her, the one he loved" would make them somehow feel near to Michael. But this person probably knows this, and is using it to their advantage. :(

I know who you're talking about.... :fear: And I agree with everything you said! -_-
 
I know who you're talking about.... :fear: And I agree with everything you said! -_-
Thanks, Ash. And it does not surprise me you know about this...you always seem to know about everythign going on. Nothing gets past you! :) Even with you being gone for awhile, you're still in the know! :bow:

That's the Ashmeister for ya. :)

You're right about a thing though "she is as close as a mirror image "
I would like to address this "mirror image" thing a bit. One of the first thing a poser understands is that it is imperative that one knows their subject. Why have so many MJ posers been so successful online like they have been...well, it would seem many are MJ fans (of sort) gone bad..in other words, they know all the facts about MJ just like all of us fans. So they know how to present themselves as a mirror image of Michael Jackson. And some are extremely good at it, never missing a beat. I think a few should be considered for an Academy Award myself. And yet to me, of course, what they are doing is despicable.

Not only MJ, but his children have posers. You all know that. On Facebook, on YouTube, on Formspring, on Instagram, and last but not least, on Twitter. Have some of Paris' posers been any good at it? Yes. Do they know all kinds of facts about her and pay attention to what she herself says on Twitter, and copy away. Yep. Paris recently retweeted this:

Retweet said:
Guys, Prince doesn't have a Forsmpring or an Instagram. Don't follow the posers, even if they "seem" real to you.

I suppose if she retweeted this she also agrees with the bolded part. Posers are that good...they have to be to be believed.

So, if someone wanted to pose as a woman MJ was in love with before he died, and they wanted to convince others that "she" was perfect for him...they would make her a mirror image of him. Knowing everything about MJ just as fans do, they could easily give her a personality very close to his, just like MJ posers do. Probably make her almost "perfectly" sweet, just like MJ posers would in texts make him perfectly sweet, because so many fans view Michael as "perfectly" sweet and caring, and never a harsh word and all of that...in other words, not very like a real person, if one thinks about it.

Not long ago Paris had a poser who came off "sweeter" than Paris and then accused Paris of not (before she was verified) being the true Paris because the real Paris would be nicer in her tweets. And, of course, this Paris poser was "unhumanlike almost" in her efforts to be sweet to all those who tweeted them. And boy, it worked, tweeters just loved "her." And she got them to be so loyal to her. And this is how it works. First a poser gets someone to believe them, and then they want to get them to be super loyal and to the point they are defending them. They often get just that.

But Paris, the true Paris, she kept on being what...herself. Real. Not trying to be fake sweet, but kind in her way, sweet in her way, feisty in her way, witty in her way...but real. Not as "consistently" sweet as her poser though...

So this MJ's-love-of-his-life-poser, she has first gotten some fans to believe her by saying things in such a way that sounds like how fans would perceive MJ as being...probably she's consistently super sweet...never an unkind word, super loving....and then, the fans become so loyal they will defend "her." (I'm putting quotes by she because it is hard to know if one is a male or female when they are a poser.

If they can lie about who they are by hiding behind a persona, then they can hide their gender as well.

I bet MJ was capable of saying something that could turn a fan off at times if they saw or heard him...(we just never saw it) and I bet if there was a gal in his life she could too. No one is 100 percent likable in "real" life. Entertainers have to work even harder at hiding the real them, it seems. Always proper, always poised, always kind. That's why I give Paris credit for coming off so real in her tweets. She's refreshing in a way.

But posers, to draw people in, stay "sweeter" than the average joe. On purpose. They can't afford to turn anyone off...they want to keep all hooked in...that's the game.
 
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Thanks, Ash. And it does not surprise me you know about this...you always seem to know about everythign going on. Nothing gets past you! :) Even with you being gone for awhile, you're still in the know! :bow:

That's the Ashmeister for ya. :)

Thanks! :innocent:


Nothing goes unnoticed by me. Eagle eyes. I'm always aware of things. :shifty: :fear:
 
You know, Claudiadoina, I have been aware of this situation for some time now, and I was expecting someone to post in here eventually about this individual who has managed to convince quite a few fans that they were MJ's love interest at the time of his death.

The reason why I said ego...(or maybe it's just simply some kind of need, like a need for closure or many other things that is going on in the fans who have believed this person) is simply to point out the vulnerability of some fans to believe someone like this online.

No, I do not think it is a justification for this person to claim "to need someone to talk to online," instead I see it like a "hook." Many fans would fall into it...and feel compassion and want to be there for a grieving love of MJ's who lost someone so special, that was also so special to these fans. They want to be there for her online. But it is playing with fan's emotions.

For a mature woman in at least, let's say, her late thirties, or possibly much older,or even around MJ's own age, who knew MJ well and his need for privacy, she would not go the online root for finding confidants. It is not wisdom, it is somewhat illusonary and cannot be counted on, and should not replace trusted, in person, relationships offline. If she does not have at least one trusted offline relationship, then that is suspect. Even MJ, with all his need to be careful and private had those personal relationships where he could trust with certain private things. Why wouldn't she? And even if she didn't, wisdom would tell her not to go online.

The reason I say "weak" is from my own walking out in this area...when I have fallen prey to share things I shouldn't have with someone, I realize it was because I was being weak. When I am strong, I do not have the need to share what I shouldn't be sharing with the person I shouldn't be sharing it with. I can say "no" to myself, and stop myself. I am able to think through the consequences, and I keep what I need to keep private, private. If I slip up, yes, it is because of a weakened moment and I have to ask myself, what made me weaken?

I am bringing these things up so those who are believing that this individual is who she really says she is, to stop and consider how she is going about things, and if one, who was truly involved with MJ, and knew about keeping things private, would handle things in this way.

Obviously, I believe this person is either a poser playing with fans for attention and the game of it, or it is someone who maybe did have some kind of relationship with MJ at one time but has made more of it then was really there and is now going about things in the wrong way...which is kinda sad. :(

But I think it is someone playing with your heartstrings (because you so very much wanted MJ to have love in his life) and this person is having a ball with it. And that is beyond sad...it is ugly.

Claudiadoina, I want you to see the possibility that this person might be playing with you and is not being for real.

But back to this, why anyone would come in here and post in such a way to let all who read in here know that they know for sure MJ had love, implying thye have spoken with the woman...I just question the why they would think they should do that. Why would you do that, Cluadiadoina, if it is not partially at least to let people know you know her and who she is, and obviously this is special for you to know MJ's secret love in his life. It means something to you. Yes? No? So why is it, then, that you posted what you did? I don't mean to offend; I just want you to look deeper into this. :hug:

And yes, I am judging this person's (behavior) because I am discerning something not right about what they have been doing. I don't want you gals played with because you loved Michael so much and it means so much to you for him to have had love...and so it means everything for you that you have found her and are there for her.

Is that at least, true?

I think maybe these fans want so much to feel "near" to Michael, because they miss him so much now he's gone, and thinking that they are near to "her, the one he loved" would make them somehow feel near to Michael. But this person probably knows this, and is using it to their advantage. :(

The truth is that nobody wants to know the truth, sadly.And I am not talking about "my truth" but generally speaking.Everybody claims that they want for Michael to have found the love in his life, the real love but as soon as somebody says something they become offensive.

How would you recognize the truth anyway?

What is the point of this entire thread wich was dragged out for years if you dont want to know if he had or had not loved and been loved, and again I am not talking about "my version" of the truth.
What a woman should do to prove herself to you that she is THE WOMAN (not that she would want to or need to ).There is nothing that she could do.So she is not , not claiming, not talking about not trying to convince anyone.

PS: I am a mature woman too you know, and she is not just an "online" friend. :heart:
 
Do you think the right thing for MJ to have done as far a shis marriage with Lisa Marie, was to hang in there with the marriage and never cease praying that she would come to the Lord? That is a very difficult question to answer. It didn't seem that he was up to the task, but it would have been very noble of him. I dunno, I guess every situation is unique and that has to be taken into condideration. Then I think of the scripture, where Paul is dicussing some of this in 1 Corinthians 7, and says that if the unbelieving spouse wants to leave the marriage...the believer is not bound in such a situation for God has called us to peace. And the next part brings up the argument many have in regards not only to marriage, but the idea of "ministry dating" and that is:

(Corin. 7:16) How do you know wife, whether you will save your husband? Or, how do you know husband, whether you will save your wife?

In other words, we have no guarentee that any of us can be successful in leading someone over to Christ or even into a deeper relationship with Jesus if they have put other things in more importance in their lives than Him. Prayer is powerful though, and there have been many marriage relationships restored through the spouse praying faithfully for their spouse...but it can take YEARS before their heart is changed. And again, some hearts are so hardened or so deceived they do not turn. :( This is also the truth - the very sad and hard truth (one of the reasons we have to use wisdom when choosing our mates and make sure we are not unequally yoked, we could be setting ourselves up for years of nothin' but heartache).


Well. when I think of the saying "my heart belongs to them" what does that mean? I would think if someone's heart belongs to another, than that heart will not belong to anyone else. A person can love others, but still, their heart belongs to only one and nothing wold change that...right?

This brings back to my memory a time when I was only 19 and what someone said to me. I had been struggling with bulemia at a time when it was not discussed or read about in articles and so I felt I was the only horrible person in the world weak enough to be doing such a thing to my body. It brought a lot of shame and self-loathing. And my family could tell something was not right with me but I could not share the secret of what I was doing...too shaming. But I told them if they wanted I'd fo see a pyschologist and try to talk wiht them about whatever was amiss with me. I thought maybe it would be interesting.

So they found a counselor, and she was very nice, and as was my norm, I smoothly got the woman talking all about herself and telling me stories form her life. I may seem to share a lot of stories here for you all, but there was a time a didn't share any stories ab out myself with anyone. I have freedom in this area now. But, of course, I pick and choose my stories. :)

I just couldn't get it out of my mouth to her that I was making myself throw up on a regular basis. The only thing I told her that was maybe contributing to my unhappiness wiht life was that my high school boyfriend (after I broke up with him) wouldn't go back with me and instead wanted to play the field as a lifeguard at the beach and party. Which he ended up doing. And I told her I was having such a hard time understanding how someone could love me and then stop loving me and I didn't know what to do with that.

She then told me how she had been in love with a special young man, too, in her past, but they ended up breaking up and he moved across the country. She, pointing to the photo on her desk, said, "I married and you can see me here with him and our children. But, (and I'll never forget the look in her eyes when she said this) I will never stop loving that man who was in a love relationship with earlier on. I will always love him." I asked, "Even though you're married." And she nodded, with conviction. Wow! I was blown away by that. And I think her message was, let the guy go, release him, still love him if you must, but get on with life.

And then she told me I seemed like a very adjusted young lady and I probably didn't need to keep seeing her. Haha! I didn't. But...God used the bulemia in my life as one of the ways he brought me to Him. Becuase, I eventually, about a year later, after throwing up one night, and feeling that strange light-headed rush in my head while sitting on the cold bathroom floor by the toilet, with tears running down my face and such strong self-hate, I said in my mind, "God if you are real, please help me stop!" And He graciously healed me completely, overnight. The next day I did not make myself throw up, or the next day, or the next day... or any day up to today,..over thirty years later.

I knew by the way that counselor said it, that even though she loved her husband in some way, and made her life with him, her heart still belonged to that other man. Wow! This is deep.

I got over my high school boyfriend. lol. Too much a partier! haha. I wasn't that type. The high school boyfriend sounds like a fun guy! lol!




I don't know why MJ would need to tell a lot of people about it. Maybe a few, like you say, trusted people he knows well...or better yet, those who he felt he got the "okay" from God to share it with. And therefore, I would think, very few.

And I would hope it would work the same way with the LITD girl...that she would share with only a couple people she was in close "real life" (not online) relationships with. I know when I had interests in uys in the past I would keep quiet about it or only my closest friend would know...but here we are talking about Michael Jackson, and what that brings about, unfortunately, too often is

EGO.

If some woman is shairng how she has had a relationship with Michalel Jackson to more that a couple close friends, or to people she only knows online...I can think of no other rason for this other than a character flaw, one that involves ego. her identity is somehow caught up in being known as having been connected with Michael Jackson. True. One needs to use wisdom and know when to talk and when to keep mouth closed. Although, sometimes, you may really need to talk - that's where a trusted friend would come in.

And, now we have, if she has told fans, fans getting filled up by thier egos because they are the lucky ones who are privy and, my gosh, have talked to a woman who had a close relationship with MJ! So the fans weaken due to ego and let others know. What a mess!

It's hard to self-examine our motivations for things...and we don't want to think ego is behind it. But very often when someone is not strong enough to keep things quiet...it's because they are weak in this area. And it does take a lot of inner-strength that needs to be practiced again and again and to say "no" to oneself when they get the urge.

I'm convinced if Michael Jackson found someone who was as close to a mirror image to himself as possible, and this woman was brought into his life by God, she would be like MJ... in that she would be good at keeping things quiet and not share with just anyone, especially those she only knows, as well as someone can know, a person online. And if she is a woman of godly character, that would continue even after he died.
And she would have no need for her ego to be fed by making sure others know she had something to do with Michael Jackson. I must have been living under a mushroom. Had no idea this was going on. I used to be sharp, but I have been losing it lately - unlike the eagle-eyed Ashmeister! Thanks for your bravery in sharing your battle with bulimia. I hope it has helped someone.
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How would you recognize the truth anyway?

That's just it, it is impossible with this kind of situation to recognize the truth. That's what gives posers a field day in this area. Michael told his fans not to believe anything unless it came out of his own mouth...because he understood how this all worked (he knew how easy it was for others to lie about him). But Michael isn't here anymore...and that, too, gives posers a field day.

If Michael was in a relationship before he died with the woman he loved and he wanted his fans to know, based on what he told us...he would have told us from his own mouth. And his woman would understand that and the why behind it. Therefore, she would not take an opportunity after he died to start telling fans about him and her. It makes no sense. Could she not even be trusted to know the truth but not to talk about him? To not use him to be special in the fan's eyes? But a poser...would be all over it!

What if MJ loved a woman with all his heart before he died and she kept quiet about it till the day she died, never letting fans know about her or the media, the world, or even contacting his family, maybe, or his children, all because she knew how private Michael was? If Michael had wanted someone to know, he would have told them. And let's say she knew that and so respected that...and even more, she was like that, too, private and careful. And she saw first hand the kind of effort MJ put out to protect her, in the days before he left this world, all to keep her hidden.

So... the day came when she, too, died... and she died a nobody in the world's eyes, and more important, in the fans' eyes; they never knew. But she knew...she knew the love she had for Michael, and him for her, and she knew it was a gift from God, and that was enough for her, and that precious treasure she took quietly with her to the grave.

Now that woman I would respect. That woman I would believe loved Michael for Michael. And that she understood him.


I knew by the way that counselor said it, that even though she loved her husband in some way, and made her life with him, her heart still belonged to that other man. Wow! This is deep.

I know...it's this whole idea about one's heart belonging to someone. How can a heart belong to two people at the same time? To me it seems only one person can have your heart in such a way.

It makes me think of Barry Manilow's song...which is really quite sad for all involved, called Even Now:

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U6MpKd_BUBM

I was thinking of this song in terms of that counselor, but if we try to tie it in with the LITD girl and MJ...and during that time when MJ released YANA, or even just as his career was taking off but "she" wasn't around, then these lines here sort of work...

Even now, when I come shining through
I swear I think of you...
and how I wish you knew...
Even now.


And claudiadoina :hug: you asked this question, but I think you already know the answer to it:

claudiadoina said:
What is the point of this entire thread wich was dragged out for years if you dont want to know if he had or had not loved and been loved...
for your answer is here:
claudiadoina said:
As you know this thread (a beautiful thread BTW) is mostly about speculating about Michael's love life and your beliefs/dreams about if he had or had not met the love of his life so this is not the place for me to answer to your questions.

This thread is for those who enjoy discussing it all without ever knowing one way or the other(it's all speculation and exploring ideas and talking about love, etc)...because... if MJ wanted us to know he would have told the world about "her" (if there really was a LITD girl) and he didn't.
 
I must have been living under a mushroom. Had no idea this was going on. I used to be sharp, but I have been losing it lately - unlike the eagle-eyed Ashmeister!


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if MJ wanted us to know he would have told the world

he didn't.

Again I agree with everything you said. I prefer a thousand times to believe what comes out of Michael's mouth than the mouth of others. And people will continue speculating about this because the truth will never appear. Now it's completely impossible to believe anything they (some people) say about the private life of Michael. He was the ONLY reliable source. And even if Michael were here, none of these people would dare to open mouth to say anything. He had no obligation to tell the world anything about his private life to satisfy people's curiosity. -_- :fear:
 
hi everyone. The current topic in here is an interesting one. My personal stance is kind of neutral, but certainly not passive.

If there are things claudiadoina knows, for a fact, from whatever source, then she has the right to either share or not share that information. There are a number of people on here, I am pretty sure, who "know" certain (and different) things about this issue and about Michael and his loves and personal life. Some ppl here knew Michael personally. sometimes these people share this, and many times they don't. I am pretty sure of this. Often times, even when they do share something they know, they are criticized and "burned at the stake". Michael came here. So what? This is a major site from fans around the world dedicated to him. If I were in his shoes I would have done the same thing. Sooo...some of his friends and family members probably come here too. We just don't know it. A person isn't superhuman just because they know Michael. They are just regular people, like us.

On the flip side, addressing the posers issue. This has become a big problem, admittedly. It's bad. And it makes everyone who claims they know something, suspect. :( and then accusations are thrown, and then those who really DO know something and want to contribute to a conversation, are PUT OFF! Posers are going to be there, and ashtanga (welcome back btw!) addresses a good way to identify them and to be wary.

So basically, if a person claims to know something or whatever, whether they are genuine or posers, don't ask for proof. There is not going to be any. Not much. Don't start attacking. As for posers, they feed off attention, both positive and negative, do they not? If someone claims to know something, true or not, all u can really do is take it with a grain of salt and say something like, "oh, that's cool", and brush it off. The posers will lose their audience, and the genuine people won't be put off. There are going to be both posers and genuine knowers. Thats fine. whatever. they are people too.

We cannot judge what a person who knew Michael would or would not do. We cannot assume those people will stay secret forever, or that they will not go online to talk to people about things. We CAN assume, however, that they are free to do what they want, when they want, and be real about themselves and other people. As I think Ashtanga mentioned, Paris is real about herself. she doesn't pretend. She doesn't hide. She even posts things about herself and her father that other people do not know. She doesn't seem to see the point in faking anything. Same with anyone else who knew anything about him, whether they were kept from the limelight or not (and there are a LOT of people in Michael's life who were kept under the radar, very successfully!). So, they should feel free to post anything they want, shouldn't they?

They SHOULD feel free, but they DON"T. Why? because they know that as soon as they do, they will come under scrutiny and under attack. And this, of all places, should be a place to feel FREEDOM.

Oh, and just because someone posts only partial knowledge and won't say how they know, does not mean they don't know. There is no requirement around here for full disclosure, that I know of. There is a lot of privacy of others to be protected, obviously, not to mention privacy in our own lives. Not everyone here tells everything about themselves. No need to. We are who we are, we know what we know, we live our lives, we say or don't say certain things about ourselves, and thats all.

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Claudiadoina, welcome. I had never seen you before but I am not real consistent here myself.

Ok thats all.
 
On a separate note, I want to say that, crazy as it sounds, I KNOW how it feels to be a kind of "love in the dark". Is it hard? YES! Is it painful? YES! Do I wish to disclose who I am to the world? YES! But do I? No. Why not? Because the love of my life is not ready for me to. There are several people out there, who know about us and our relationship and how close and tight we are. But he's got issues he needs to work through in himself, before he is ready to take the leap for my full disclosure. It's like, I don't know, that he wants to unveil me dramatically to the world or something, later. I don't exactly know how he sees it. But right now he just wants us to be private. When he is ready, he will "unveil" me, or whatever. And, if he dies before then, personally, I'll unveil my dang self and let the WORLD know I loved him! Hm. Well, maybe. I am not certain. Thats what I would LIKE to do, but I am not sure if I would, depending on the circumstances, I guess. Maybe it would not be something that was important, in the larger scheme of things. maybe just knowing that he loved me totally, til the day he died, will be enough. I really can't say.

One thing I can tell you all, I am NOT the LITD of this thread. Just to be clear on that point! My point is that, to be a type of "litd" is hard to do. I don't think that most people here can possibly imagine the extreme pain that comes with it, no matter whether the person you love is alive or dead.

Another point: there ARE going to be people here who claim to be Michael's "LITD". There wasn't just one. Period. In the practical, everyday sense of things, there wasn't. he had a bunch of women who he loved, most under the radar and kept "in the dark". That's all there is to it. As for just ONE MAIN LITD, the dream of his life, his soulmate, twinflame or whatever you wnat to call it, I don't think anyone but Michael knows who that really is. But since most of his girlfriends were all "loves in the dark" in their own right, each can easily think and say that they were the ONE, if they chose to. Each has a special place, though. All are special, and none of them can be discounted, for they knew Michael, a different Michael, than almost anyone else here knew.

Kudos, to all of Michael's "LITDs". You know who you are.
 
hi everyone. The current topic in here is an interesting one. My personal stance is kind of neutral, but certainly not passive.

If there are things claudiadoina knows, for a fact, from whatever source, then she has the right to either share or not share that information. There are a number of people on here, I am pretty sure, who "know" certain (and different) things about this issue and about Michael and his loves and personal life. Some ppl here knew Michael personally. sometimes these people share this, and many times they don't. I am pretty sure of this. Often times, even when they do share something they know, they are criticized and "burned at the stake". Michael came here. So what? This is a major site from fans around the world dedicated to him. If I were in his shoes I would have done the same thing. Sooo...some of his friends and family members probably come here too. We just don't know it. A person isn't superhuman just because they know Michael. They are just regular people, like us.

On the flip side, addressing the posers issue. This has become a big problem, admittedly. It's bad. And it makes everyone who claims they know something, suspect. :( and then accusations are thrown, and then those who really DO know something and want to contribute to a conversation, are PUT OFF! Posers are going to be there, and ashtanga (welcome back btw!) addresses a good way to identify them and to be wary.

So basically, if a person claims to know something or whatever, whether they are genuine or posers, don't ask for proof. There is not going to be any. Not much. Don't start attacking. As for posers, they feed off attention, both positive and negative, do they not? If someone claims to know something, true or not, all u can really do is take it with a grain of salt and say something like, "oh, that's cool", and brush it off. The posers will lose their audience, and the genuine people won't be put off. There are going to be both posers and genuine knowers. Thats fine. whatever. they are people too.

We cannot judge what a person who knew Michael would or would not do. We cannot assume those people will stay secret forever, or that they will not go online to talk to people about things. We CAN assume, however, that they are free to do what they want, when they want, and be real about themselves and other people. As I think Ashtanga mentioned, Paris is real about herself. she doesn't pretend. She doesn't hide. She even posts things about herself and her father that other people do not know. She doesn't seem to see the point in faking anything. Same with anyone else who knew anything about him, whether they were kept from the limelight or not (and there are a LOT of people in Michael's life who were kept under the radar, very successfully!). So, they should feel free to post anything they want, shouldn't they?

They SHOULD feel free, but they DON"T. Why? because they know that as soon as they do, they will come under scrutiny and under attack. And this, of all places, should be a place to feel FREEDOM.

Oh, and just because someone posts only partial knowledge and won't say how they know, does not mean they don't know. There is no requirement around here for full disclosure, that I know of. There is a lot of privacy of others to be protected, obviously, not to mention privacy in our own lives. Not everyone here tells everything about themselves. No need to. We are who we are, we know what we know, we live our lives, we say or don't say certain things about ourselves, and thats all.

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Claudiadoina, welcome. I had never seen you before but I am not real consistent here myself.

Ok thats all.

Obviously I disagree with a lot you are saying.

As far as Paris...she was sharing things as her account was in the process of being verified. Now it is verified. Why would she wish it to be verified...to stop the posers and so fans will know they can count on what she says because she is truly Paris Jackson the daughter of Michael Jackson.

Why would anyone who really knew Michael post anything here, and not realize they will cause the fans some uncertainty because of the way things are. It is inconsiderate. That is why I posted awhile ago in here, that if there was a litdg and she came in here and posted...that she would be being inconsiderate, because she must know no one could believe her just because she says so.

So if a person who really knew MJ is upset with the fact that when they post no one believes them...well, once again, I question their motivation for posting in the first place. Is it due to ego? It might be awfully nice to post in a thread in a popular MJ fansite where all the fans are so often impressed with anyone who has been even near to Michael Jackson, let alone can offer some info about him.

So, DWsoul...why when you first arrived here on MJJC was one of the first things you did was introduce youself in a new member thread and made sure to add at the end a direct message to Michael saying "don't forget who your speech writer is, mister" and "don't forget 'her'?" Did you not think that would raise an eyebrow or two?

Seems like it was no surprise you ended up in this thread soon after, and would be one today to support those who come off knowing Michael to go ahead and post that they do.

EDIT: OH, while I was posting you posted...and *laughs* it was the post I have been waiting for you to post. You took your time. I thought you wouldn't be able to resist.
 
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On a separate note, I want to say that, crazy as it sounds, I KNOW how it feels to be a kind of "love in the dark". Is it hard? YES! Is it painful? YES! Do I wish to disclose who I am to the world? YES! But do I? No. Why not? Because the love of my life is not ready for me to. There are several people out there, who know about us and our relationship and how close and tight we are. But he's got issues he needs to work through in himself, before he is ready to take the leap for my full disclosure. It's like, I don't know, that he wants to unveil me dramatically to the world or something, later. I don't exactly know how he sees it. But right now he just wants us to be private. When he is ready, he will "unveil" me, or whatever. And, if he dies before then, personally, I'll unveil my dang self and let the WORLD know I loved him! Hm. Well, maybe. I am not certain. Thats what I would LIKE to do, but I am not sure if I would, depending on the circumstances, I guess. Maybe it would not be something that was important, in the larger scheme of things. maybe just knowing that he loved me totally, til the day he died, will be enough. I really can't say.

One thing I can tell you all, I am NOT the LITD of this thread. Just to be clear on that point! My point is that, to be a type of "litd" is hard to do. I don't think that most people here can possibly imagine the extreme pain that comes with it, no matter whether the person you love is alive or dead.

Another point: there ARE going to be people here who claim to be Michael's "LITD". There wasn't just one. Period. In the practical, everyday sense of things, there wasn't. he had a bunch of women who he loved, most under the radar and kept "in the dark". That's all there is to it. As for just ONE MAIN LITD, the dream of his life, his soulmate, twinflame or whatever you wnat to call it, I don't think anyone but Michael knows who that really is. But since most of his girlfriends were all "loves in the dark" in their own right, each can easily think and say that they were the ONE, if they chose to. Each has a special place, though. All are special, and none of them can be discounted, for they knew Michael, a different Michael, than almost anyone else here knew.

Kudos, to all of Michael's "LITDs". You know who you are.

Wow! :ph34r: :wacko: This whole thing of "LITD girl" is soooooooooooo beautiful and perfect that it looks like a fairy tale. :girl_sigh: :smilerolleyes: But after June 25 My thoughts go very far on this issue because there are other very important and very disturbing behind all this beautiful and perfect thing about "LITD girl" and bla bla bla that goes unnoticed by people. :doh: But never mind. This will stay with me. The best I have to do is shut up. -_-
 
MP and I were just starting to get some conversations going to get things back on track and the fun Ashmeister returned and brought some enjoyment and smiles, and then...did you all not notice...posts start coming in to bring up a subject to get this thread derailed....as so often has happened in the history of this thread.

Drama always followed posts where someone comes in suggesting they know WHO the LITD girl is. It is known to cause problems in this thread each time.

Yet, it keeps happening, no matter how many times it was said in this thread (starting with AllForMJ many times) that it is not about identifying "her", or showing anyone here that they know who the LITD girl (or a secret woman/love in his life) is.

Anyone knowing this, and still comes in this thread to do just that, is being extremely inconsiderate to this thread.
 
the fun Ashmeister returned and brought some enjoyment and smiles

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someone comes in suggesting they know WHO the LITD girl is.

I may not be the "LITD girl" :shifty:, but I feel proud to say that I'm the girl of the pin (Thanks dear Michael!!! :girl_in_love:). :D :girl_sigh: :wub: :lol: :fear:

 
I may not be the "LITD girl" :shifty:, but I feel proud to say that I'm the girl of the pin (Thanks dear Michael!!! :girl_in_love:). :D :girl_sigh: :wub: :lol: :fear:

Yes you ARE!!! Hey, that might be a better gig than being the LITD girl...I'm not sure that would be easy street. :lol:

Anyway, I hope all this won't keep MP from posting in here. I know how she doesn't like dissention or conflict. :(




EDIT: btw, Ash, did you lose that pic, of MJ wearing "your" Shirley Temple pin during the TII rehearsals, when your computer died?
 
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Yes you ARE!!!

:naughty: :blushing:


Now, many (new members in this thread) will wonder why I'm the girl of the pin. :lol: :shifty: :fortuneteller:





Hey, that might be a better gig than being the LITD girl...I'm not sure that would be easy street. :lol:

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Anyway, I hope all this won't keep MP from posting in here. I know how she doesn't like dissention or conflict. :(

:(


Hey, where's MP when the thread is on fire? MP, do not hide from the fire! :unsure: :wild: :fear:









EDIT: btw, Ash, did you lose that pic, of MJ wearing "your" Shirley Temple pin during the TII rehearsals, when your computer died?

Yes!!!! :woohoo: I saved on a cd all the pictures long before my laptop died. :lol: :wild: It is guarded with great care. :girl_sigh: :wub: For example:


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^ I am SO impressed with you. So wise of you to save them on a CD. What a bright girl you consistently are

And thank you for posting it. :) I think in a way you could say you've been "pinned" by MJ. Just like in the fifties guys would pin their school pins onto the girl they wanted to go "steady with." Was MJ getting a message to you he wanted to go steady with you? :wild:

Wait, did he wear a school letterman's jacket at any point in This Is It? I think that would CONFIRM IT!!!! :lol:

(do you have a pic of him in a letterman's jacket?) naaaah...you couldn't have...
 
Well I think Lisha and I can be free to agree to disagree on the "inconsiderate" issue. I'm just leaving that one alone. As for me, it doesn't really matter to me whether or not a person says they knew Michael, or that they know something. Whatever whatever. It is what it is.

Back on track: Ashtanga ~ the girl of the pin. I like that one!
MP ~ come on back in here, girl, its all good. keep on posting stuff.
Lisha ~ I agree with you: I don't think being a litd girl would be easy street, either. just being in my predicament is a confusing and sometimes hellish roller coaster! Imagine what it's like for her/them???? eeeeek! I'd rather be a pin girl any day. It's just that little, quiet hint that says, "I see you. You are special." :)
 
^ I am SO impressed with you. So wise of you to save them on a CD. What a bright girl you consistently are

And thank you for posting it. :) I think in a way you could say you've been "pinned" by MJ. Just like in the fifties guys would pin their school pins onto the girl they wanted to go "steady with." Was MJ getting a message to you he wanted to go steady with you? :wild:

Wait, did he wear a school letterman's jacket at any point in This Is It? I think that would CONFIRM IT!!!! :lol:

(do you have a pic of him in a letterman's jacket?) naaaah...you couldn't have...


lol! just a sec...DID he wear any lettermans jackets in TII? I don't even remember its been so long since i've seen it. I think only in the original Thriller video, right?

but Lisha...you could be on to something...Ashtanga has been "pinned". :)
 
^ I am SO impressed with you. So wise of you to save them on a CD. What a bright girl you consistently are

And thank you for posting it. :)

Thanks! :blushing:





I think in a way you could say you've been "pinned" by MJ.
but Lisha...you could be on to something...Ashtanga has been "pinned". :)

Yes..... :naughty: :shifty:





Was MJ getting a message to you he wanted to go steady with you? :wild:

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm Maybe.... :shifty: :p I think it was some kind of message to me and he found this way to say it to me through the pin: Hey Ash, I'm looking at you, I know about you.... :girl_sigh: :heart:

He knew I would see. :shifty: Think about it always makes me smile. :wub: I think Michael liked my posts here in the thread. :fear:






Wait, did he wear a school letterman's jacket at any point in This Is It? I think that would CONFIRM IT!!!! :lol:

(do you have a pic of him in a letterman's jacket?) naaaah...you couldn't have...
lol! just a sec...DID he wear any lettermans jackets in TII? I don't even remember its been so long since i've seen it.

I do not remember him having used the school letterman's jacket in This is it. :lol: I believe not. :nono: What can I say about the pin that day (June 4, 2009 :p), is that this jacket is the same as he used the press conference. >>>

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I think only in the original Thriller video, right?

No. :nono: He used it on other occasions as well (But I think when he got older, he used no more). There are a lot of pictures. Like this:


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And much more..... :in_love: :blushing:







Back on track: Ashtanga ~ the girl of the pin. I like that one!

Lisha ~ I agree with you: I don't think being a litd girl would be easy street, either. just being in my predicament is a confusing and sometimes hellish roller coaster! Imagine what it's like for her/them???? eeeeek! I'd rather be a pin girl any day. It's just that little, quiet hint that says, "I see you. You are special." :)

Me too.... :girl_sigh: :heart:
 
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There aren't so many though..you'd be surprised...very surprised

Really??? :scratch: Well, "someone" told me one thing, Frank said another thing in his book, each person says something different, and so on.... So many different information. :wacko: :smilerolleyes: Who is telling the truth??? :wtf: :lol: :smilerolleyes: :doh:

I have a totally different view of all of this in relation to what was happening before 25 June and principally what happened on June 25. And nobody seems to notice it and neither dared to think about it carefully. :doh: :sigh:

"LITD girl"
:smilerolleyes: :sigh:, friends, whoever it is.... in the end, Michael was completely alone. Nobody was there for him. That is the sad reality of it all. :cry: Thinking about it hurts..... :( *big sigh* Who cares? No one. :( But OK. Move on.... -_-
 
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Hello ladies. I was reading through the pages here and thought I'd add my two cents. I think the concept of this thread is really cool and could be possible cause a lot of writers share what's inside of them when they write and singers often pick songs that relate to them like most people would pick out a greeting card.

Some folks here are wondering about the litd girl and if she exists then I think a good way for someone to presume that person is her self, someone else they know or not is to use his lyrics as either a mirror or picture of what he had in his mind or heart.

See guys may have women in their life but just cause some girl is around that don't mean they mean that much to the guy some women are don't hate me for saying this ladies but some are a convenience. A lot of women will throw themselves at a man and why not just let em stick around. I'm just saying. It's nice to have personal attention but a guy accepting some attention don't mean a guy is in love with you.

Maybe some women are thinking she was this litd girl cause he was constantly singing about finding that someone and some think that it's them cause they weren't there. I guess this scenario leaves things open for most everyone cause not that many women were in Mjs life so with that in mind it could be anyone.

If we go by the songs he was singing there were some things mj said he wanted all the time and that was his someone who was in his heart not just something physical but something divine. Lot of guys will settle for getting some girls in bed but he seemed to know he needed more than that. he wanted more than that. did he get more than that? was he asking for too much? did God actually take the time to make the person he was praying for, wanting and waiting for?

anyway like I said his songs say more than posers can claim. he gave really good descriptions of what he wanted. I'll start with some of that and if it helps to get this thread back on track for us then how about some others share lyrics in songs of his they know and show what he was wanting in a woman. If anyone here feel that's them or someone they know then sweet I'd hope mj would have had that in his life. he needed love.

I'm gonna start with Someone put your hand out if any body any one knows passes this test once his lyrics are spread out then great if not place yourself or someone you know in the maybe one day category but not the you're the litd girl one. if she exists then it's gotta be from God.

Pulled the lyrics off some web site

Someone Put Your Hand Out lyrics

Never try to talk about it
It's got to sound good to me inside
I just think about it

I'm so undemanding
'Cause they say love is blind
I've lived this life pretending
I can bear this hurt deep inside

The truth is I'm been longing
A love that's so divine
I've searched this whole world wishing
She'll be there time after time

So someone put your hand out
I'm begging for your love
All I do is hand out a heart that needs your love

I've lived my life the lonely
A soul that cries of shame
With handicapped emotions
Save me now from what still remains

I'll be your story hero
A serenading ryne
I'm just needing that someone
Save me now from the path I'm on...

Someone put your hand out
I'm begging for your love
'Cause all I do is hand out a heart that needs your love
Someone put your hand out
I'm begging for your love
All I do is hand out a heart that needs your love

When you say we will dance 'til the light of day
It's just like the children running with joy
When we pray will you promise me you'll always stay
It's because I'm needing that someone


Someone put your hand out
I'm begging for your love
'Cause all I do is hand out a heart that needs your love
Someone put your hand out
I'm begging for your love
All I do is hand out
Someone put your hand out
I'm begging for your love
All I do is hand out
Love

I see nobody is having pea fights so thats good
 
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