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Lorraine said:opcorn:
Lorraine!!! hahahha. Yeah, get yourself in a comfy seat and get that popcorn...here comes some more!
And see...MP is no where to be found. I kneeeeew it!! lol. Ah, take your time MP. :hug: Wait till all the fires are out.
And Ash, I realize that which you bolded in your post above has always been your criteria for how you have come to believe MJ could not have had a special someone in his life at the end, or she could/would have prevented somehow his death. And you do have a point. :yes: It makes for you any discussion on either if there was a LITD girl or identifying her, pretty moot. Neither would apply.
Claudiadoina, (just in case she drops by again, for I have things to more fully explain) the reason I have come off so strongly is that back in July 2011 I became aware of a situation where on Facebook someone was protraying themselves to others in private messages that she was MJ's last love before he died, and I discerned something was not feeling right about it. I also want to say I am not mean, but I am straightforward and am committed to speaking truth, but want very much to stay fair.
The person I am referring most definitely has been talking with fans, that's the concern, lovely sweet souled individuals who a member here PM'd with and then led the to her facebook. Perhaps this is not your lady friend, and she only talks with those who she knows in real life and she would not have necessarily wished for you, or any of her friends she knew to bring her up in this thread. That would be to her credit.claudiadonia said:She is not sharing with "fans" she is sharing with friends.
However, the invidual I'm talking about from facebook, I know for a fact was wanting to come in this thread and let us in here know she was MJ's true love and that were right about her (meaning she felt she was the LITD girl of this thread) and for us to be comforted that MJ had love in the end. I think at the time she was given the impression it wouldn't go over but I felt that would not be the end of it and somehow she'd make her presence known again in this thread. I made the assumption you were here to do just that. But, again, maybe we are dealing with two different self-assigned LITD girls.
Anyway, I hope that explains better why I came off the way I did. I have been on my guard. Sometimes the lioness comes over me when I am feelin protectiive of others, and I do feel protective of those who come here and read this thread. I don't want them messed with.
If at anytime claudiadonia you had come into this thread and had joined into the ongoing discussion of what this thread is about...looking at lyrics to see if MJ was talking about or talking to a special woman...but not by trying to figure out who she is, then I would understand a little better you saying this. But every post, out of the 11 you have posted in this thread have been focused on "who" the LITD girl might be:claudiadoina said:Enough "sharing" for me though, I wasn't planned to do that anyway, I don't seek attention of any kind if I would I would have said something long ago...
~first post of yours, on 8/31/11, you came out of the blue and copied and pasted in comments on some site of a woman who presented herself as a woman who had a close romantic relationship with MJ. Now to that woman's credit, what she wrote was written in a mature and soft way and she painted MJ in a very good light. It was a good read. BUT...you focus was to come in this thread and get us wondering if this person was the LITD girl:
I have just found 2 comments on a site (not fan forum) on a comment section under an article.I loved it and I wanted to share and this thread seems the right thread to do so.The person who wrote those comments for sure loved Michael and it looks like they had a relationship.They are beautifully written.
Let me know what do you think about it
April 10th, 2011 at 10:12 pm
(btw DWsoul, you had just posted to claudiadoinia):
But you were one that made a point a point to thank her for that post of comments:DWsoul said:Claudiadoina, welcome. I had never seen you before but I am not real consistent here myself.
claudia, thank you, SO MUCH, for that! It was absolutely beautiful, and true to the core. Oh, the side of Michael that so many don't get to see.
~second post of yours on 9/13/11
Again, the focus is on -who- the LITD girl is:
I wonder if is there any chance that one of you was Michael's last girlfriend?:thinking:
Silly question huh? :girl_smile:
~your third post just recently and the subsequent posts found on the last few pages here:
He did find THE LOVE.The true love. :heart:
He did love and he was loved more than anybody could ever believe or understand.
From the moment he found THE LOVE of his life he was the happiest man on Earth till the end.
~here's one that shortly followed this last one:
It seems to me your only interest in this thread is to get us interested in learning who the LITD girl is and now you are here letting us know you KNOW who she is. You seem to have never been interested in what we discus here, and maybe I'm wrong but you seem to leave us here on kind of a condescending note:^^^ It's not only that I'm sure he did, I know he did :heart:
But maybe you were trying to be nice; I see the smiley. But if you feel that you know who the LITD girl is and you are leaving us here to do those things...woudn't it come off like you are being sarcastic with us...especially the "good luck" part?claudiadoina said:good luck with your assumptions, presumtions, speculations, dreaming, fantasizing......
This is my point, if she, or an MJ insider regarding any info they know, understand this, then why would they even try? There is no way to prove to everyone's satisfaction when dealing with online. This is why celebrities are doing the Twitter root and getting verified. Finally a celebrity can talk for themselves and fans will be comforted that they are not being played with by a poser but it is the actual person. Even MJ was trying, it seems, to come up with a solution long ago when he had his own official website and was going to do short videos with him answering questions. Why? So fans would know it was him and no one was lying to them or posing as him. That was considerate.What a woman should do to prove herself to you that she is THE WOMAN (not that she would want to or need to ).There is nothing that she could do.So she is not , not claiming, not talking about not trying to convince anyone.
I thought you came to the conclusion it was not worth it to try to prove it. Yet here you are purposely dropping another bomb. So are you saying she lives in your country and you are buds in real life?claudiadonia said:PS: I am a mature woman too you know, and she is not just an "online" friend. :heart:
I agree anyone has the right, but is it the right thing to do? What I have been trying to get across is this is a situation where self-discipline should be practiced.If there are things claudiadoina knows, for a fact, from whatever source, then she has the right to either share or not share that information. There are a number of people on here, I am pretty sure, who "know" certain (and different) things about this issue and about Michael and his loves and personal life. Some ppl here knew Michael personally. sometimes these people share this, and many times they don't. I am pretty sure of this. Often times, even when they do share something they know, they are criticized and "burned at the stake". ...Sooo...some of his friends and family members probably come here too. We just don't know it.
And it makes everyone who claims they know something, suspect. Yes, understandably. and then accusations are thrown, and then those who really DO know something and want to contribute to a conversation, are PUT OFF!
So basically, if a person claims to know something or whatever, whether they are genuine or posers, don't ask for proof. There is not going to be any. Not much. Don't start attacking. As for posers, they feed off attention, both positive and negative, do they not? If someone claims to know something, true or not, all u can really do is take it with a grain of salt and say something like, "oh, that's cool", and brush it off. The posers will lose their audience, and the genuine people won't be put off. There are going to be both posers and genuine knowers. Thats fine. whatever. they are people too.
Consider MJ...and we all like too, haha...he loved his fans, and had the kind of heart where he would bless them in anyway he could. And if he had an opportunity to give their heart a thrill and make thier day special, one to remember always...he would. However, as we know, MJ had to take desperate means due to his great celebrity and many times if he wanted to enjoy something in public without getting mobbed he would put on a disguise and blend in. Just imagine how many times MJ was somewhere where he would know or guess that a good number of the peeps around him were big fans. And he would know, no doubt, that many might even have a heartfelt wish to meet, and maybe touch or hug, or even look in his eyes and smile at MJ just once in their life. And yet, as much as he loves his fans, and would love to give them their heart's desire and give then the thrill of that, he would know it was not wisdom to do make himself known to them. He practiced self-discipline. And there the fans would go home never knowing MJ was so close to them and their dream almost happened. MJ would have realized. He would have been sad probably he couldn't have blessed them, but would know it wouldn't have worked. So he chose wisdom.
Now if MJ had been here on MJJC in a hidden account, just like insides, and friends of his, or family members, and MJ goes into a thread and sees everyone posting inaccurately about a situation involving him...no one knows its him...would the temptation be too great for him to post "partial" information that no one could know unless they had inside info? If he did, MJ himself would have been asked for proof on how he knows. How much strength and self-discipline does it take for an individual to see themselves being posted about inaccurately and still decide not to post to straighten the fans out because they know it wouldn't have worked.
Because it is unfair to an online community where no one can know if the person is legit or not. That is why what MJJC has been doing with the Question and Answers with differenlt insiders is helpful. Fans can know that the info they are getting is really from that person.DWsoul said:So, they should feel free to post anything they want, shouldn't they? ....No
They SHOULD feel free, but they DON"T. Why? because they know that as soon as they do, they will come under scrutiny and under attack. And this, of all places, should be a place to feel FREEDOM.
Partial disclousure is unfair. It's teasing...and can come off like playing. Something like "na na na na na na , look what I know but you don't, and I'm not gonna tell you how I know so you can never know if you're being taken for a ride or not...na na na na na na!" The considerate thing is to use self-discipline and not share anything.DWsoul said:Oh, and just because someone posts only partial knowledge and won't say how they know, does not mean they don't know. There is no requirement around here for full disclosure, that I know of.
I sense that maybe your perspective is what it is because you are some form of an insider and have had the attacks. I come form the opposite perspective because I am not an insider. But I do see how frustrating it would be to not post and clear things up when one has the info to share. But it is better for an insider to feel frustrated and or post and be not believed, than for a game player to mess with the fans. No one should be upset with the fans for wanting to protect themselves from that; that is why they ask for proof. Why would someone not understand their perspective?
So you don't think he trusted anyone enough to tell them about her?DWsoul said:As for just ONE MAIN LITD, the dream of his life, his soulmate, twinflame or whatever you wnat to call it, I don't think anyone but Michael knows who that really is.
I do agree with you here, in that I do not mean that if there are ladies that MJ had in his life who loved him very sincerely, that if they end up not being his special someone hidden in his heart, and it is someone else, that they suddenly become some kind of second class citizens. With Michael's large heart and capacity to love so fully and generously, I am sure they will always be special to him. Every single one of them. I just have problems with anyone posing as the LITD girl for sport, or someone wanting a little too much for the fans to know of their existence and connection to Michael.DWsoul said:But since most of his girlfriends were all "loves in the dark" in their own right, each can easily think and say that they were the ONE, if they chose to. Each has a special place, though. All are special, and none of them can be discounted, for they knew Michael, a different Michael, than almost anyone else here knew.
(I can just imagine the typos in here. No way am I gonna proofread this monster-sized post. haha)
^I like this one, Ash, because he looks so cute holding that rose.
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