Michael's mom reported missing /Grandma's Home/TJ appointed Co/Guardian with Katherine

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Geraldo Rivera is interviewing someone named Tenay Jackson who says she is TJ's sister about the family feud. I thought TJ said this woman was not part of the family?

Link to her twitter (tried to post actual tweets, but couldn't for some reason)

Anyway, it seems she's hooked up with Joe. If you scroll down, it also looks like someone may have said to her that Taj is denying she's related and she tweeted "he doesn't want to accept me. That's his problem." I remember reading somewhere that she sued Tito a while ago to get him to publicly acknowledge her as his daughter.

http://twitter.com/TanayJackson
 
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Ivy do you have the estate e-mail address?
 
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see above what pug said.

Tanay was on there as Tito's daughter and TJ's sister. She gave a bunch of opinions and talked about her music - which I won't even bothered to repeat.

He had Twiggy - from hoax boards - talking about Branca being fired in 2003.

Then there were 4 lawyers , 3 of them live 1 pre-recorded. Mark Geragos was middle of the road saying this is a misunderstanding and such. The other lawyers all agreed that the siblings do not have a legal standing and that the time to challenge the will has long passed.

They discussed "why?" and they said they believed it's all about money. they talked about possible motives

one possible motive was they were trying to get Katherine declared incompetent to control her allowance and even get a salary for being her conservator - according to California law

the other possible motive was hoping for a settlement. The lawyer said the trust gives Executors the right to engage in settlements and the public mention of validity of the will when there's no chance for actually challenging it is without a doubt is being done for a settlement.


First off didnt tj or one of the 3T boys say on twitter they DO NOT HAVE A SISTER!!!!!!? im sure thats what i saw on twitter.


And that last bit: I said that ealier in a post of mine ( well it wasnt excatly like that) but the siblings are only doing this in the hope the estate will settle with them. They know deep down they have no chance so this is their only solution
 
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Yes, really. That's when she stopped being the "only sane Jackson" as the media would say. That's when her image went from "talented" to "as crazy and attention seeking as the rest". Each review I read of the album was about Super Bowl and how she is desperate. MTV also blacklisted her, and refused to play any of her videos until 2008. She wasn't taken seriously after that. It matters zero how open minded we Europeans are, what matters is that that's how the media painted her, and that's how it was seen.

Of course, there were other factors: She refused to address it in any interviews (imho a silly thing to do, cause that was prob the main reason they wanted an interview in the first place), with 20 Y.O. she went to hip hop and that wasn't so popular in Europe (also zero promotion in Europe for that album). By the time Discipline was out, the European radio had already stopped supporting her and didn't really care anymore. If she had done any promo in EU, maybe she would've done better. Who knows.


Yep alot of the media & general public here in australia were like WTF!!!?? when it happened and also the what made that preformance worse was how JT pretty much made janet stand alone in the aftermath of it.

I think most of siblings belive because they are mjs family they deserve to have some like award or something and it shows their ercent behavior
 
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I don't think there will be any settlement. The rogue 3 don't have any leverage. they've lost the PR battle. plus, the law is against them.
 
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It's disturbing what wanting money and power can do to people. For Michael's kids to see this now is just as bad. I hope there is no kind of settlement.
 
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I'm getting sick of Mark Geragos and Meserau acting as if the Jackson family beyond this. I know they were both good lawyers to Michael but a blind man could see what's going on here.
 
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I suggest to close this thread unless there are relevant news to discuss...

I'm so sick and disgusted by most of the Jackson siblings and KJ... :head_bang:
 
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I'm getting sick of Mark Geragos and Meserau acting as if the Jackson family beyond this. I know they were both good lawyers to Michael but a blind man could see what's going on here.

I too do not understand the way they are both talking bout all of this when they are not representing no one in the jackson family lawfully. If they were i guess thats fair enough but i do think they both need to keep silent to get away from all this drama as it has nothing to do with neither one of them
 
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Then there were 4 lawyers , 3 of them live 1 pre-recorded. Mark Geragos was middle of the road saying this is a misunderstanding and such. The other lawyers all agreed that the siblings do not have a legal standing and that the time to challenge the will has long passed.

They discussed "why?" and they said they believed it's all about money. they talked about possible motives

one possible motive was they were trying to get Katherine declared incompetent to control her allowance and even get a salary for being her conservator - according to California law

the other possible motive was hoping for a settlement. The lawyer said the trust gives Executors the right to engage in settlements and the public mention of validity of the will when there's no chance for actually challenging it is without a doubt is being done for a settlement.
People with common sense know the siblings have no legal standing to challenge Michael's will. It's none of their business. The settlement is the only thing they could gain in this fiasco. They tried to use media to harass and blackmail the executors to get what they want. That's why they leaked the letter to the media and confirmed on their twitter right away. I hope John branca and John McClain are strong enough to put those delusional jacksons in their place.
 
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Posted Today, 12:21 AM by Human NatureRandy has the nerves to believe he should be executor of Michael's estate or should be included in the will. you guys remember this

World of Jax & robbers
Singer says his brother and pal tried to cheat him out of fortune
Sunday, June 17, 2007
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Michael Jackson claims he was nearly swindled out of his fortune during his kiddie-sex trial and only the wise counsel of the Rev. Jesse Jackson and billionaire Ron Burkle saved him.

The behind-the-scenes battle over the pop star's finances is detailed in a sworn deposition he gave for a federal lawsuit scheduled to go to trial this week.

There is a possibility that Jackson himself might even be called to testify.

The seven hours of transcripts obtained by the Daily News reveal that the agitated entertainer was convinced his money woes were fueled by a cadre of disloyal advisers who stole from him while he was busy fighting criminal charges.

The Gloved One even fingered a man close to his older brother Randy as a key villain.

It was an ordeal that left Jackson bitter about the industry in which he's spent his entire life.

"It's full of sharks, charlatans and imposters," he said in testimony taken last summer in Paris.

"Because there's a lot of money involved, there's a bunch of schmucks in there," Jackson said. "It's the entertainment world, full of thieves and crooks. That's not new. Everybody knows that."

A Santa Maria, Calif., jury acquitted him of child molestation charges in June 2005, after which he retreated into the seclusion of his Neverland ranch.

But during breaks in the trial, Jackson says he was being pressured to sign off on a multimillion-dollar financing deal by Don Stabler, an associate brought in by brother Randy, his go-to guy on financial matters during much of his career.

Jackson initially took a liking to Stabler after Randy introduced them.

"He reminded me of people that live in mid-America like Indiana," Jackson testified.

Stabler was persistent, at one point during the trial sending a message through one of Jackson's Nation of Islam security guards that questioned the singer's faithfulness to his African-American heritage.

It was a sore point for someone who has denied he purposely lightened his skin.

By then, Jackson had turned to Burkle, the billionaire pal of former President Bill Clinton, for financial help. Burkle brought in Jesse Jackson, who's known Michael Jackson since his Jackson 5 days, to help with the consultation.

Burkle was calling him on the cell phone during bathroom breaks, warning him not to sign anything, Michael Jackson said.

Stabler wasn't happy, Jackson said.

"[Stabler] said, 'What's the problem? You're not down, you're with the Jews now. You're not down with blacks anymore,'" Jackson testified.

"It was unkind," Jackson added. "It was mean. It was meanspirited. It was nasty. Simply because he couldn't get me to sign something that he wanted me to sign."

The next time Jackson saw Stabler "he wanted to take my head off." And his brother Randy wasn't too happy, either.

Randy later claimed that Jackson and his staff had run up a $700,000 bill on his American Express card during the trial, which Jackson said he would repay.

It wasn't the first time that Stabler teamed with Randy in trying to get him to sign off on a deal, Jackson claimed.

At a meeting in a bungalow at the Neverland ranch, Jackson said he had his mother at his side when he fought off another proposal.

"And I vehemently told them, 'No, I am not signing this,'" Jackson recalled. "And I just remember how angry, the intensity of the anger in the room. And so they marched out."

Jackson made his comments when he was grilled by lawyers for the Hackensack, N.J., finance company that is suing the singer in Manhattan Federal Court. The firm, Prescient Acquisition, is owned by businessman Darien Dash, who claims Jackson stiffed his company out of $48 million.

According to Dash's lawyer Steven Altman, Dash was due the money for helping Jackson refinance a $272 million bank loan and secure $573 million in financing to buy out Sony's half of the Beatles' song catalogue that Jackson co-owned.

But Jackson claimed he's never heard of Dash, a cousin of hip-hop impresario Damon Dash, and doesn't remember signing any agreement.

Read more: http://www.nydailyne...0#ixzz22ihyBSbu

Randy Jackson: One Side of the Coin
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thought it was important that a timeline of Randy Jackson was brought up and discussed. The information on this particular blog merely questions the actions of Randy. We of course, all know that Randy joined the Jackson brothers when Jermaine left the group. We will begin in 1980, when Randy Jackson was involved in a car accident. Although the cover of Jet above states that Randy Jackson walks again, the two reports I read state that Jackson broke his ankle and that he had to be freed from the car with the jaws of life. Here are the two links: http://tinyurl.com/2f33b5r and: http://tinyurl.com/23g4knu
I did find an excerpt of Randy's interview with Jet, that stated that because his leg had been crushed so badly in the car accident, doctors said that the leg most likely would have to be amputated. After three surgeries though, Randy recovered and was well enough to tour with his brothers. Link: http://tinyurl.com/2644yxh
The rumor around the internet was that Randy had metal plates put in his head and that he was really never the same, but I could not find an article to attest to that.
Randy was arrested in 1988 for driving without a license and a warrant for a failure to appear on a minor traffic offense. Jackson posted $262 and was released. http://tinyurl.com/2elxzsf
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After the Jacksons went their own ways, Randy formed the band Randy and the Gypsys. They put out an album in 1989, and above is the cover. Here is a link to an interview that a L.A. Time reporter did with Randy right after the album was released. The reporter stated that Randy had mostly one word answers to his questions and that Randy felt that his leg injury still hampered him at that time. Link: http://tinyurl.com/2eybbqy
In 1991, Randy was arrested for a misdemeanor battery charge with Eliza Jackson, his wife. Eliza alleged that Randy had hit both her and her daughter, Steveanna. Randy pled guilty to one count of battery, was placed on two years' probation and ordered to attend domestic violence classes, however Randy did not comply with the d.v. class requirement. Eliza called the police again, because she said the violence had not stopped and Randy was arrested again. Link: http://tinyurl.com/24kt5lh
This time, Randy was ordered to Pine Grove Hospital to take his domestic violence classes. http://tinyurl.com/29kzjwu
Pine Grove Hospital is a psychiatric facility
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In 1996, Randy Jackson filed for bankruptcy. However, he pled guilty to bankruptcy fraud in 2001 because he failed to report a 1995 Chevrolet Suburban that he owned. He was fined $21,100. Link: http://tinyurl.com/24ft4cx (Scroll down to see article)
In 1997, Randy was named to the Board of Directors of Modern Records. Randy bought out the majority share of stock from Paul Fishkin. http://tinyurl.com/2926852 There are reports that Modern Records, under Randy Jackson, leaked information that stated that the Jacksons would sign with the label, but were vague regarding Michael's signature. Jackie, Jermaine, Marlon and Tito were hired as consultants in 1998. http://tinyurl.com/28mjf3t By 1999, Randy was in trouble again with bankruptcy court. "According to reports, Jackson failed to turn in nearly 12 million shares of Modern Record, Inc., a company he runs with members of the Jackson family." http://tinyurl.com/2ao7jdn
By the year 2000, Modern Records sued Randy for mismanagement of funds. Modern alleged Randy "failed to pay quarterly employee withholding taxes and health insurance premiums. The suit also alleges that Randy misspent promotions money - most notably on apartments for him and a girlfriend, and to pay off the charges the couple ran up on their credit cards. And the suit says, he failed to disclose that he previously filed for bankruptcy." The new Board of Directors ousted Randy, but it took a lawsuit for Randy to finally recognize that his stint at Modern Records was over. http://tinyurl.com/27kcqfg
In 2001, both Randy and Jermaine were quoted as saying that they would not participate in the 30th Anniversary Special at Madison Square Gardens. They cited the reasons were that there was no charity marked for some of the proceeds, despite the fact that the tickets were going for as high as $5000. They also felt that the payment of $1200 for each of the performers, including Jermaine and Randy, was too low. http://tinyurl.com/29qb5qj (We now know, of course, that both brothers participated in the MSG performance. There is also an interesting skirmish that occurs between Randy and Michael during the ABC song of the 30th anniversary. Check it out on youtube
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By 2004, Randy was helping to manage Michael's finances. Michael was in the horrific position of defending himself against false child molestation charges and needed someone to trust implicity while he was busy in court.
Feb. 2004 ~ Al Malnik and Charles Koppelman back a $70 million loan payment that is due to Bank of America. This puts MJ at ease until December of 2005. Prior to that, Randy announced to both Malnik and Koppelman that he had found an investment group that would back the entire amount of $270 million to Bank of America. However, at the last minute, Randy announced that the deal had fallen through. Michael was smart enough to go with Malnik and Koppelman or he may have defaulted on his Bank of America loan. http://tinyurl.com/lfd7gu
August 2004 ~ Randy, who has taken over the daily operations for Michael, stops the payments to people who have contracts with Michael. Randy stops the payments to both Dieter Wiesner and Mark Schaffel. (Hey I could care less whether Wiesner or Schaffel were paid, but the point is, that Michael had contracts with them to pay, and when Randy stopped the payments, Michael was forced into yet, more lawsuits which cost more money.) Schaffel sued Michael for $4 million later that year. http://tinyurl.com/yd2mntv

March 2005 ~ Michael's Neverland operating accounts have run dry. The funds are mysteriously missing. Michael's accountant calls Joe to report this. Rumors fly that since Randy has taken over operations, he has bought himself a penthouse in Miami and has had one of Michael's Bentley's removed from Neverland and placed in the Miami penthouse. Rumors also fly that Michael is furious over the missing money and that Randy is making deals behind Michael's back.

April 2005 ~ Michael has fired Randy and things are very tense between them. Michael also finds out that there are missing funds with regard to the Neverland payroll. A storage unit had not been paid. Michael fixes his finances at the last minute, but he is furious with Randy.

May 2005 ~ The site http://www.mjjsource.com/, a site that Randy and his "team" (including girlfriend Taunya Zilkie) set up and charged a $50 fee per member, disappears for 12 days. Wonder how many people joined that site only to lose their money? And, the key question is, where did that money go? The site returns, but fans are suspicious.

June 2005 ~ Judge Melville gives a gag order to the court. Tom Messereau issues one statement which is supposed to be a blanket statement representative of Michael Jackson. Messereau states that noone but the Mezz is authorized to make any statement regarding Michael Jackson. However, Randy, on http://www.mjjsource.com/, makes a misleading statement causing confusion for fans and grief for Messereau. This is five days before Michael is to be acquitted of all charges.
Roger Friedman writes, "You see, we are playing Neverland: The Board Game. This is a game where grown people continue to jockey for position, even though at any moment the whole enterprise could be exploded by a guilty verdict.
It's a game in which a scheming younger brother plays a bad game of chess, trying to manipulate the pieces while his older brother, the family cash cow, remains in isolation and pain as his future is debated by 12 strangers."
Someone once said that the greatest predictor of future behavior is how someone has behaved in the past. I have to wonder if Randy Jackson actually did have Michael's best interests at heart. Judging on his past behavior, I would think others would be wondering the same thing.http://mjandjustice4some.blogspot.com/2012/07/randy-jackson-one-side-of-coin.html


http://www.mjj2005.com/kopboard/index.php?showtopic=58393&st=3480
Please comment.
 
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It seems TMez was not following the case, and because Michael is a Jackson, he things Randy and the others are OK. I bet you that if he sits down and look at all the evidence, he will come up with a different point of view.

Passy and Marebear the reason I am concerned about the settlement, is because we know that even though Michael did not want his siblings to get anything from his estate, the estate gave money to Katherine so she could give to Jermaine for his child support. We are talking about 80,000. Even if this may be a loan, when is Katherine going to pay it back. If they could give money to Jermaine, what is to prevent them from giving some money to Katherine again to give to the granny snatchers. I need some assurance from them that they will not do this.

Cherubim thanks I remember all these actions by Randy. The only one I did not hear about was the possibility that he may have a metal plate in his head. If that is true, maybe the metal has affected his thinking.
 
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In 1991, Randy was arrested for a misdemeanor battery charge with Eliza Jackson, his wife. Eliza alleged that Randy had hit both her and her daughter, Steveanna. Randy pled guilty to one count of battery, was placed on two years' probation and ordered to attend domestic violence classes, however Randy did not comply with the d.v. class requirement. Eliza called the police again, because she said the violence had not stopped and Randy was arrested again. Link: http://tinyurl.com/24kt5lh
This time, Randy was ordered to Pine Grove Hospital to take his domestic violence classes.
http://tinyurl.com/29kzjwu
Pine Grove Hospital is a psychiatric facility
My concern is that not only is Randy a "crook"; but he is also a violent person.
Thus, the physical altercation at Calabasas, and the need to call the police.
 
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...The other lawyers all agreed that the siblings do not have a legal standing and that the time to challenge the will has long passed.

They discussed "why?" and they said they believed it's all about money. they talked about possible motives

one possible motive was they were trying to get Katherine declared incompetent to control her allowance and even get a salary for being her conservator - according to California law

the other possible motive was hoping for a settlement. The lawyer said the trust gives Executors the right to engage in settlements and the public mention of validity of the will when there's no chance for actually challenging it is without a doubt is being done for a settlement.

:evil: Sin and a damn shame! :(

Settlement??? :girl_gthooh:
 
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Nope, it didn't.
I was actually traveling back from the US to Europe a few days later and the only mentioning 'nipplegate' had was in reference to the attitude of US Americans toward what the Europeans perceived as the "hypocritical and prudish" attitude toward nudity. Janet Jackson only occurred on the sideline. Bands like Franz Ferdinand ruled the airwaves in Europe in 2004... parallel to local bands in the home countries.

1992 and 1993 was the time that I remember Janet Jackson being on the radio and on TV shows in Europe. Her rise came at the absolute height of Michael's fame in Europe as a lot of MJ fans were actually not very familiar with the rest of the Jackson family. Especially younger MJ fans in Europe have never perceived him as a part of a "Jackson musical family'.

"Poetic Justice" was talked about in Europe - and then she kinda faded away. Same with "Scream". It was the Michael connection. Always was.

I'm European and I agree that in Europe nudity is not such a big deal as in the US. I don't remember how nipplegate was taken here, but if it was criticized that probably was just to mime the American press or because it was taken as a desperate PR stunt of an aging diva. It probably was more laughed at with a tongue in the cheek, than people being outraged at Janet for it, like in the US. I don't think Janet's career would suffer a huge blow in Europe just because of that.

Indeed, in Europe Janet never really had a huge fan base on her own, like she did in the US. It were always Michael fans supporting her as the little sister of Michael. And the other Jacksons are virtually unknown here (except maybe for LaToya who is known maybe for her appearances in tabloid shows as Michael's sister, not as an artist).
 
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Hmmm. I'm not that familiar with it but I think there could be many explanations to this. But I dunno. I'm sure she helped / helps when needed. Maybe Katherine didn't want any from her, as she was getting it all from Michael?

IMO that would not reflect well on Katherine either. Why expect one of your children to pay everything for you while another child (who also has money) is not expected to do that? I can only imagine how used Michael felt because of that (and he was).
 
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found this posted on TM's twitter


Possible third person brought in to make financial decisions for Katherine??? (at near the end of the video)





 
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I hope those lawyers talking with Geraldo were wrong about siblings looking for settlement from the estate!
No money for siblings at all, that is MJ wish and it should be respected.

How many lawyers Katherine has already and they are talking adding another one?
Lets see, she has Brian Panish, Perry Sanders and Sandra Ribera and there is a talk about adding one more?
I well and truly hope the estate doesn't pay legal fees for K's lawyers in AEG case.
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"Janet, Randy and Rebbie will continue to press forward in their search for the truth in order to carry out the wishes of their brother Michael," Brown writes.

I wonder what they are planning to do next or are they going to let the fuss die down and forget that it even happened?
 
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According to Dash's lawyer Steven Altman, Dash was due the money for helping Jackson refinance a $272 million bank loan and secure $573 million in financing to buy out Sony's half of the Beatles' song catalogue that Jackson co-owned.
What's this buying out Sony's half of the catalogue all about? Michael never wanted or had the possibility of buying out Sony's half!

Besides, with all the legal troubles Michael had in the last decade, and with all the crooks in his life and worries, no wonder he never could concentrate on his cariere!
 
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KATHERINE JACKSON
Won't Press Charges
Against Her Children
EXCLUSIVEKatherine Jackson has no plans to press charges against her own children over her recent "trip" to Arizona ... a lawyer for the Jackson family matriarch tells TMZ.

As TMZ first reported, Jackson's declaration following the Arizona spa ordeal -- which came as part of her bid to obtain co-guardianship over Prince, Paris, and Blanket -- seemed to suggest she was tricked into going and had no idea MJ's kids were worried about her. As part of the declaration, Jackson said, "At the time, I trusted the people I was with to be honest with me."

But Katherine's attorney, Perry Sanders, tells TMZ she has "absolutely" no plans to press charges over the incident, telling us, "This chapter of chaos is closed and we are supportive of family unity in spite of recent events and arguably poor decisions."

For now.
 
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Doubt there will be a settlement from the estate to the Jacksons and if there ever is you think the public won't find out? Ofcourse they will and that would really look bad and prove without a doubt it was all for the money for the Jacksons and also make the Estate look like punks or have people thinkin the Jacksons must have been tellin the truth.

The truth is Randy and his track record can't be trusted. Even MJ had enough and had to say what Randy and his people did to him. So why the hell would any fan be okay with Randy goin after MJs will knowing what he did to MJ during the worst time of MJs life? Like seriously?! Only the ones who don't know the ish he pulled in 05 would be okay with it! And there seems to be many!

Then u have Rebbie who likes to be friends with Stacey Brown who likes to call her brother a pedo and is good friends with people like Diane Dimond and Ron Zonen...like really?! Why would a family member want someone around them doing that?!

Then there's Janet who I'm sure would be damned that her family be milking her money like they did to MJ while alive. And not to forget the so called "drug interventions" she talked about on Oprah where she convinetly left out dates. Knowing damn well they were interventions to get MJ to tour with them. She even told Larry King not to long before MJ passed that she was in a press conference call with MJ trying to get him to tour with the family but, he didnt want to! Besides Katherine said on Oprah after MJ passed that it was from third parties and her own kids tellin her MJ had a drug problem. But, that she never saw evidence of that herself.

So IMO MJ siblings unfortunately can't be trusted. So it's a lost case and they need to move on! Let MJ kids when they reach 21 and over deal with the excutores. Their the only ones that have the right to say something in the future if they don't like something.
 
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Nope, it didn't.
I was actually traveling back from the US to Europe a few days later and the only mentioning 'nipplegate' had was in reference to the attitude of US Americans toward what the Europeans perceived as the "hypocritical and prudish" attitude toward nudity. Janet Jackson only occurred on the sideline. Bands like Franz Ferdinand ruled the airwaves in Europe in 2004... parallel to local bands in the home countries.

1992 and 1993 was the time that I remember Janet Jackson being on the radio and on TV shows in Europe. Her rise came at the absolute height of Michael's fame in Europe as a lot of MJ fans were actually not very familiar with the rest of the Jackson family. Especially younger MJ fans in Europe have never perceived him as a part of a "Jackson musical family'.

"Poetic Justice" was talked about in Europe - and then she kinda faded away. Same with "Scream". It was the Michael connection. Always was.
You're mixing up two different things there. First, I am also European, so I witnessed the media attention here first hand. Second; while I agree and know that most of the media called the US press hypocritical, they also turned Janet's stunt into a desperate attempt to get publicity. Eventually her stunt (like herself) became a joke. And this is why she lost the "sane"-card, and nobody would take her seriously any more. Two completely different things that have nothing to do with how open minded people are.
I was a mega-fan at the time, and followed each and every news article, radio report and TV programme about her, along with discussing with her record label employees in my country and several different Janet forums. I'm pretty sure I know what happened ;)
 
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You're mixing up two different things there. First, I am European, so I witnessed the media attention here first hand. Second; while I agree and know that most of the media called the US press hypocritical, they also turned Janet's stunt into a desperate attempt to get publicity. Eventually her stunt (like herself) became a joke. And this is why she lost the "sane"-card, and nobody would take her seriously any more. Two completely different things that have nothing to do with how open minded people are.
I was a mega-fan at the time, and followed each and every news article, radio report and TV programme about her, along with discussing with her record label employees in my country and several different Janet forums. I'm pretty sure I know what happened ;)

Can I ask where in Europe you live? Because that may explain the difference of opinion between you and others living in Europe. I live in Belgium and honestly, nobody cared about the boob or the pr stunt or the act of desperation and nobody looked and Janet as not being the sane one anymore. Nobody cared about Janet period, she was just MJ's little sister. In fact, Michael over here didn't get so much bad press either and I can't remember people saying he was a "wacko" and such. We simply don't have a tabloid press and our newspapers are pretty much respectable and honest in their reporting.

This thread http://www.mjjcommunity.com/forum/threads/121380-BRAVO-and-their-support-for-Michael talks about it too. It's an interesting read to see how different European countries are from the USA and how you can't really see the UK as part of Europe when it comes to tabloid, gossip and respectable journalists.
 
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Can I ask where in Europe you live? Because that may explain the difference of opinion between you and others living in Europe. I live in Belgium and honestly, nobody cared about the boob or the pr stunt or the act of desperation and nobody looked and Janet as not being the sane one anymore. Nobody cared about Janet period, she was just MJ's little sister. In fact, Michael over here didn't get so much bad press either and I can't remember people saying he was a "wacko" and such. We simply don't have a tabloid press and our newspapers are pretty much respectable and honest in their reporting.

This thread http://www.mjjcommunity.com/forum/threads/121380-BRAVO-and-their-support-for-Michael talks about it too. It's an interesting read to see how different European countries are from the USA and how you can't really see the UK as part of Europe when it comes to tabloid, gossip and respectable journalists.

Scandinavia, which is very open minded. No, it's not that people see it differently, but they've not been interested enough to see what truly was said, and also this debate always turns into "Europe is much more open minded than US", which is beside the point. Again, nobody cared about nudity, the discussion was mostly about hypocritical US media. However, Janet was turned into a joke and her stunt was seen as a desperate attempt to get publicity. If you are European, you would know the mentality here, and you would probably agree with me. Yellow press is universal, really, but there are different kinds of it.

I think the problem is not disagreeing but not talking about the same things, here ;)
 
Re: Michael's mom reported missing /TJ temp Guardianship/Grandma's Home

Isn't it embarrassing for the Jacksons that everyone, except Janet fans, know that they are trying to get a settlement from the estate. If these lawyers on TV know that the snatchers have no standing, how come Janet's lawyer does not know this too. What is his field of expertise anyway?

Of course Mark said it was a misunderstanding. It is lawyers like him that make Katherine think she can win AEG and the snatchers think they can get the exec to resign.

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If Janet's lawyer really had her best interest or image in mind, he would have advised her not to issue that letter. She got a win with the TMZ retraction. That was her best damage control. Instead of letting that be her last PUBLIC stanz on all this, he starts it all up again. It's as if they thought that win with TMZ meant the public was now ready to believe everything they said was true. Even though Katherine had just made statements in court that showed his client and her siblings were liars and schemers.

He didn't help Janet's cause at all on any level. He just helped his pocket. He's going to get paid for issuing her letter and anything else he does, from filing useless court papers to a settlement or no settlement, because he knows no way are Branca and McClain resigning. He gets his fees whatever happens.
 
Re: Michael's mom reported missing /TJ temp Guardianship/Grandma's Home

Isn't it embarrassing for the Jacksons that everyone, except Janet fans, know that they are trying to get a settlement from the estate.?
No, but I think it's embarrassing that you'd generalize Janet Jackson's fans like that, especially since many people on this very board are fans of both, Janet & Michael.
 
Bubs;3686071 said:
I hope those lawyers talking with Geraldo were wrong about siblings looking for settlement from the estate!
No money for siblings at all, that is MJ wish and it should be respected.

How many lawyers Katherine has already and they are talking adding another one?
Lets see, she has Brian Panish, Perry Sanders and Sandra Ribera and there is a talk about adding one more?
I well and truly hope the estate doesn't pay legal fees for K's lawyers in AEG case.
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"Janet, Randy and Rebbie will continue to press forward in their search for the truth in order to carry out the wishes of their brother Michael," Brown writes.

I wonder what they are planning to do next or are they going to let the fuss die down and forget that it even happened?

They are going to try and sabotage BAD 25 the same way they tried to sabotage This Is It, and all other estate projects. It’s all a part of the extorting plan to pressure the estate into a settlement in my opinion.
 
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