Katherine & MJ's kids sue AEG / Trial date April 2, 2013

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It is not AEG's fault that Murray left Michael alone with Propofol flowing through his veins. AEG was not responsible for Murray because they had no signed contract with him. So the Jacksons are really asking for trouble by having Murray take the stand, in my opinion. And the fact that they even want to use him as a witness against AEG after what he did makes me sick.
 
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It's like nobody cares what Murray did to Michael. Everything is about money. He gave Michael all these things and propofol and then just left him there. Not watching him and caliing his different girlfriends. He probably did the same thing on other nights too. Where is the outrage from his family? AEG are no saints but there was nothing in the trial that said they told Murray to give Michael propofol. They probably thought Michael was on something or used his past rumors of drug use when the whole time it was Murray that was making Michael sick. All Michael wanted was to sleep. Just to sleep. But his family care more about money because they are too lazy to go make their own money and expect Michael to take care of them in life and death.

Everybody involved with Michael should be ashamed of themselves. He was a commodity and bank machine to people. Thank god he had his children so he could experience real unconditional love. I am sure putting on concerts was pressure enough but his family just had to badger him to be part of the show. Why couldn't they just cheer him on and hope for the best for him? They don't need to be a part of it. As for AEG, they didn't want Murray and had no signed contract with him. I also don't think they cared about Michael at all and I think judged him unfairly based on their emails and such.

I don't like either side but I hope AEG wins because his family are just too greedy. Their actions are disappointing and I expect better from them than a concert promoter. They know they are getting nothing from the will and they need to secure the future because Michael is not taking care of them anymore. People like to throw around the word LOVE a lot. It doesn't matter how many times you say it because it matters more how you show it.
 
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Id there is a trial and Katherine's side brings in the issue AEG putting Michael or Murray under the pressure, I hope AEG replies to them how Jackson's themselves were there putting even more pressure on Michael. Hypocrites.
 
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I Need Help from the Doc
Who Killed My Son

Katherine Jackson is reaching out to the man who killed her son because she needs him badly for something ... TMZ has learned.

Katherine is in the throes of a wrongful death lawsuit against AEG, claiming the company negligently hired Dr. Conrad Murray and failed to properly supervise him.

Here's the problem. She needs Murray on the record, explaining how the arrangement went down, so she's subpoenaed the jailed Doc. Katherine wants Murray to acknowledge AEG masterminded the plan to bring him on board.

It's ironic, to say the least, but Katherine is dealing with some bad options. She can go after Murray, but he doesn't have a pot to piss in. Or, she can try to bring him into the fold in order to go after the deep pockets -- AEG.

Now the real problem -- Murray's not cooperating. His lawyers, Valerie Wass and J. Michael Flanagan, are fighting the subpoena, trying to get it tossed on technical grounds.

So Katherine can persist ... and a judge could order Murray to tell all. But she doesn't want to unnecessarily antagonize the Doc, because a hostile witness is often a bad witness.

Quelle: http://www.tmz.com/2013/01/20/katherine-jackson-conrad-murray-wrongful-death-lawsuit-aeg/
 
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Michael's family never fail to disappoint in terms of conjuring up more nonsense do they?
 
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If the TMZ article is true, then I'm not surprised that Murray's team is trying to get the subpoena thrown out of court. They don't want Murray saying anything that could take the blame off of Michael for his own death, although it's not like Murray would say anything like that judging by his past behavior and his constant excuse-making for what happened to Michael. And personally, I can't feel sorry for Katherine about anything other than the fact that Michael is dead. The AEG lawsuit has been an absolute disaster from the start. Nothing about this mess has done any good for Michael, in my opinion.
 
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^^Guys The TMZ article is just a ripoff of what we have been saying here all the time, especially the last 6 pages!!! This is nothing new!!! The only difference is that we did not know Muarry's lawyers were fighting it (according to TMZ), & we still do not know that because this is coming from TMZ.

I can't see what he can do to help Katherine, except what we have discussed in the last few pages? Everything he says will put him right in the plan himself, unless he only states that he heard AEG staff shouting at Michael and making him quiver. However, the family will not win millions with such information.

By the way what happened to the stuff they had that was WORSE than the leaked e-mails. Didn't they say that they had worse e-mails after the e-mails were leaked to the press? If they have more dangerous evidence they would not be wooing a jailbird who never told the truth to investigators in the first place. Why do they think he will tell the truth now? There seems to be some bad feelings between Phillips & Muarry, so Muarry might try to say something to show him in a negative light, but then Phillips can sue him later...

If anything, Muarry has to be careful to not put himself in a bigger mess by his statements, since he is looking for an appeal. Anyway his papers are not filed, so maybe he should focus on that.

TMZ is really looking for news when they come up with something we were debating some time ago.
 
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The only difference is that we did not know Muarry's lawyers were fighting it (according to TMZ), & we still do not know that because this is coming from TMZ.

^^ TMZ is generally correct when reporting about a lawsuit basics although sometimes makes mistakes in regards to the content of filings. They have staff waiting at courthouses and get copies of filed documents days before they get scanned and uploaded to the online systems.

If this filing happened on Friday for example TMZ would have it and we will see it Tue - Wed the best (given that Monday is a federal holiday).
 
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^^OK so this means that it is true the attorneys are fighting it? Well I feel in such a situation the judge will allow the deposition, unless Muarry's team has some strong argument against it.
 
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I find it ironic that they are seeking Murray's testimony knowing well that he single-handly manipulated everyone around him. MJ, the kids, AEG. all of them got fooled by him. Also, for Murray this could open him up to a massive lawsuit from AEG depending on how he testifies. and that's the real last thing he needs right now.
 
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Depending on what he testifies to during his depostion, could there be other criminal charges filed against him ?
 
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^^OK so this means that it is true the attorneys are fighting it? Well I feel in such a situation the judge will allow the deposition, unless Muarry's team has some strong argument against it.


I'm wondering if Murray's lawyers are just afraid of what AEG could possibly bring out during his time on the stand that could mess up his appeal. Because I'm sure they know that AEG's team are the type of people that would confront Murray with tough questioning instead of sitting back and letting him trash AEG.
 
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Depending on what he testifies to during his depostion, could there be other criminal charges filed against him ?

well it can't be in regards to Michael's death. he has already been tried and found guilty for it.
 
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Talk about doing a deal with the devil. the family hope for murray to support them by blaming aeg for what happened in order for the family to collect a pay out.the family will basically defend and try to excuse murrays actions in order to get money. that to me says exactly what they think of michael
 
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Talk about doing a deal with the devil. the family hope for murray to support them by blaming aeg for what happened in order for the family to collect a pay out.the family will basically defend and try to excuse murrays actions in order to get money. that to me says exactly what they think of michael

But isn't that the pattern elusive. Look at the steps taken to get that will overturned & thereby going against Michael's wishes and hurting his children. How about sending e-mails to the press taken out of context to show up how "out of it" their dead brother was. How about right after his death grandma saying she saw him & he was OK and everything was all right, but when the AEG case was filed months later, she switched to how incapable he was of controlling his life, he was shaky, scared. Basically she made him out to be an earthworm. Don't forget LaToys mantra about his several notes about Branca--now we have a terrified man. It is almost as though Michael is a chameleon, his physical/psychological/emotional states changing to suite the plans of this family.
 
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yeap. the family as a whole is more important than the individual. therefore mj can be betrayed if it means it provides for the family for the rest of their lives.mj still owes them even now
 
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yeap. the family as a whole is more important than the individual. therefore mj can be betrayed if it means it provides for the family for the rest of their lives.mj still owes them even now


disgusting to see this ****ery continue even in 2013.

Happy belated New Year you all.
Missed you loads :love::love:
 
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Hey twink great to see u
 
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I honestly don't know what Murray can do or say to help family?
He ain't going to say, yes AEG was putting me under the pressure so I made MJ to sleep with propofol.
Taken into account family's agenda to show Michael was hopeless drug addict, Murray will not going to say, oh yeah he was, but despite of MJ being hopeless drug addict, I pumped him full of all sort of drugs.
He cannot say AEG hired him as that is already established who hired him.
 
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He can say that AEG made things worse putting too much pressure on Michael, and making his insomnia worse, and then on Murray, because Michael had to be ready for rehearsals. As he did during the criminal trial, he can try to put the blame on Klein and Michael.
Murray's theory is that Michael was such a mess he did that to himself.
 
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What a loathsome family. Everyday I pray they lose this case, and moreover are humiliated big time. So much so, they stay away from the public eye for a long, long time.

Oh hey Twinklee :ciao: Missed you on the forums. Yup, different year, same crap.
 
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I posted this at LSA

If we look to his previous police interview and the documentary

- Murray clearly mentioned that he knew Michael for quite some time and that Michael was his friend and that he asked him to join the tour : this clearly debunks AEG choose or hired Murray claim

- Murray said he was working for Michael but was paid by AEG : this clearly again proves strong support that he wasn't hired by AEG and he was an independent contractor

- in his police interview he mentioned Michael was knowledgeable about propofol and lidocaine (milk and antiburn), that Michael asked for it, other doctors gave it to him, other doctors allowed Michael to push and so on : this debunks that Propofol was selected or forced by AEG claims


- at his documentary he mentioned some things Phillips said and as his defense he tried using Michael being under stress and/or financial distress that he self injected : these claims fits with Katherine's claims

- Murray is also the one that can explain for what / when he wanted the equipment and help and whether or not AEG was aware of Michael's medical treatment : hard to say what will be his answers and it could help or debunk Katherine's claims. Knowing how Murray likes to express he is innocent and everyone else is guilty, he can easily turn against AEG.

Obviously Murray is known to lie, a convicted felon who shows no remorse, this would be used by AEG to challenge his credibility if he ever testifies.

He can say that AEG made things worse putting too much pressure on Michael, and making his insomnia worse, and then on Murray, because Michael had to be ready for rehearsals. As he did during the criminal trial, he can try to put the blame on Klein and Michael.
Murray's theory is that Michael was such a mess he did that to himself.

I agree with bouee. Taking into consideration what Murray said, what his defense argued or tried to argue and assuming that he will keep his story consistent:

The one thing Murray can say is that Michael was in financial despair, he needed the tour , AEG was financially helping him and he was dependent on them (he mentioned comments from Phillips in his documentary), this brought the pressure, AEG was complaining that Michael was missing rehearsals and therefore it again brought the pressure of giving him Propofol to help him sleep and attend rehearsals.

This partially fits with Katherine's claims. However this scenario doesn't include any direct order or knowledge from AEG's part and can easily be argued by them simply saying "we didn't ask for such thing, he did it himself".

As I wrote in the above copied post, AEG claims they didn't know about Propofol and Murray is the only person to say who knew what. However he can make or break Katherine's case. In other words if he says for example "I didn't discuss my treatment with anyone", he can support AEG's claims that they didn't know.

Also as I mentioned before Murray's previous statements is debunking at least a part of Katherine's lawsuit - that he was selected or hired by AEG. Murray has been clear about knowing Michael for some time, that they were friends and that Michael asked him to join the tour. It's also obvious that Murray knew and thought he was working for Michael and not AEG. He asked Jorrie to change the wording in the contract to say "provide services the Artist wanted" and he said in his police interview he was working for Michael but was being paid through AEG.

Also they might want to talk to Murray about his version of the "riot act" meeting. I'm thinking Katherine's claims about the "riot act" meeting is hearsay through Karen Faye, they might need a first witness account. Michael and Dileo is dead, we know Ortega's version. Phillips and Murray are the other people that were in the meeting. (I'm not sure about MAW or Gongaware).
 
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Thanks Ivy, your post makes sense except this one
- at his documentary he mentioned some things Phillips said and as his defense he tried using Michael being under stress and/or financial distress that he self injected : these claims fits with Katherine's claims

I'm not sure if I understood your point here, but if they go for self-injection theory, how does that help Katherine?
For sake of mulling over this, lets say it become apparent in the trial that Michael self-injected. How that is going to hurt AEG?
No one can see them to be beside MJ day and night in case he does something foolish, so how Katherine can blame them for not being there? Self-injecting is not something foreseeable so I don't understand this point?
 
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This just showed how desperate the Jacksons are for AEG's money. they even ask Michael's killer's help. The Jacksons never cease to disgust me. AEG's lawyer can easily debunk anything Murray said and challenge the jackson's motive. it will make the Jacksons look really bad and greedy in front of jury. I am sure AEG is happy to see the Jacksons foolishness triggered by greed. Just like their 3 year "well planned" granny snatching plot, they will screwed themselves up big time and then blame anyone but themselves.
 
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Thanks Ivy, your post makes sense except this one
- at his documentary he mentioned some things Phillips said and as his defense he tried using Michael being under stress and/or financial distress that he self injected : these claims fits with Katherine's claims

I'm not sure if I understood your point here, but if they go for self-injection theory, how does that help Katherine?
For sake of mulling over this, lets say it become apparent in the trial that Michael self-injected. How that is going to hurt AEG?
No one can see them to be beside MJ day and night in case he does something foolish, so how Katherine can blame them for not being there? Self-injecting is not something foreseeable so I don't understand this point?

That's me being not clear. :) If my memory isn't failing me Murray said stuff like Phillips said about paying Michael's bills including to the stuff his kids wore & eat. I tried to say - and failed :) - that what Murray says fit with what Katherine says in regards to dependency & control between Michael and AEG.

Murray made it sound like that made Michael desperate to take the drugs and /or self medicate. That can be used again for responsibility. I don't think this is a matter of how Michael died but if AEG had any responsibility

Obviously AEG has already addressed that, everyone is dependent to their employer for financial stuff and everyone also has the choice of going bankrupt.
 
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He can say that AEG made things worse putting too much pressure on Michael, and making his insomnia worse, and then on Murray, because Michael had to be ready for rehearsals. As he did during the criminal trial, he can try to put the blame on Klein and Michael.
Murray's theory is that Michael was such a mess he did that to himself.

Well if he puts the blame on Klein and Michael that would not help the family's case. Muarry has to show that AEG did/say/cause something that resulted in a weakened, stressed, etc. Michael.
 
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Well, if AEG did not hire Murray, (and they didn't hire him because no contract was signed) then it should not matter what Murray says. They didn't even pay him. I remember that right after Michael died, Murray started complaining about not getting paid by AEG for the time he was working when Michael was still alive. If I remember correctly, they told Murray to get lost. If AEG didn't sign any contract regarding his employment with Michael and his payment by AEG, then AEG were not responsible for him, in my opinion.
 
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The problem here is not what Murray will say, is his credibility. He had been proved a liar by the court of law, he is the convicted criminal. Whoever tried to use him to help their case is desperate and will get backfire badly.
 
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^^True, it would be hilarious if the family case hinges on information from Muarry. Here is the headline: Super Doc Muarry Saves The Day.
 
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